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No fine for Pete Carroll

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It was ironic, to say the least, that on the same day Seahawks coach Pete Carroll launched a Win Forever media blitz (I received at least two emails from his P.R. people about it), he once again has been connected to the specter of cheating.

But we’ll give Coach C. a break this time around in large part because, according to the league office, the NFL chose not to fine him for the “live contact” that occurred during a recent Seahawks OTA session.

The CBA mandates the imposition on the head coach of a $100,000 fine for a first offense.  However, Article 21, Section 8(d)(i) provides that the Commissioner has the “sole discretion” (there’s a shock) to fine the head coach a lesser amount — or no amount — if the Commissioner determines the conduct was based on a “good faith interpretation” of the offseason workout rules or that it was not a “material” violation.

It’s currently unknown how the violation occurred, so it’s impossible to know why Carroll wasn’t fined.

For now, it appears the violation may have had something to do with events that triggered a recent fight between members of the secondary and receiving corps, especially since safety DeShawn Shead reportedly “almost took [receiver Doug] Baldwin’s head off” on a pass over the middle.

Though the precise line between “live contact” and, um, “non-live contact” isn’t clear, partial decapitation would likely be on the wrong side of the boundary.

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33 Responses to “No fine for Pete Carroll”
  1. thegreatgabbert says: Jun 5, 2012 6:15 PM

    Turns out that Baldwin was stumbling around blindly looking for his head when he bumped into a couple of other players. Quite unintentionally according to Pete.

  2. papabush88 says: Jun 5, 2012 6:21 PM

    So a second time Carroll was accused, and a second time he was found to be innocent. Why are people gunning for him left and right?

  3. Deb says: Jun 5, 2012 6:21 PM

    Thanks for pointing out that Goodell has sole discretion for determining whether an offense has occurred, punishing that offense, and revealing the nature and evidence of the alleged offense. Perhaps that would explain to some frequent PFT commenters why many of us feel he has too much power. Then again, they’re probably babbling “Don’t break the rules and you won’t get in trouble” as I type.

    Makes me think of the John Mayer lyric about power and the media: “When they own the information, they can bend it all they want.” Same with the rules. If Goodell is the sole decider, he can twist the rules to suit what’s convenient for him and his bosses … and he frequently does just that.

  4. ilovefoolsball says: Jun 5, 2012 6:23 PM

    Commissar GODdell said “We don’t have to fine Coach Carroll this time, we’ve already fined the Saints, Redskins, and Cowboys enough for the next two years to cover the entire league.”

    Roger Go0dell’s white eyebrows need an explanation.

  5. jakek2 says: Jun 5, 2012 6:24 PM

    A no-contact drill is a perfect way for teams to get ready for Goodell’s no-contact regular season.

  6. tebowslostvirginity says: Jun 5, 2012 6:25 PM

    We are still talking about football right? Is it still a contact sport?

  7. pawpaw46 says: Jun 5, 2012 6:28 PM

    he should get at least 8 games for that, the arrogant sonofa bitch knows the rules of Godell…yet he defied them anyway. Clearly a safety violation.

  8. theashleyguy says: Jun 5, 2012 6:28 PM

    When you have one of the youngest teams in the NFL, it hurts them–depriving them of some key OTAs and chances to learn the offensive and defensive plays. It really hurts the rookies and the UFAs who are new to the team. I am really excited about the Hawks this year and now they lose nearly a third of their OTA time.

  9. yousuxxors says: Jun 5, 2012 6:32 PM

    there will be a lot more injuries if players cant practice full speed as much anymore. they need that time to get muscle memory

  10. thegreatgabbert says: Jun 5, 2012 6:35 PM

    No fine for Pete. Which is just fine for Pete.

  11. nbaraie says: Jun 5, 2012 6:38 PM

    Goodell: It’s always the player’s fault.

  12. squared80 says: Jun 5, 2012 7:02 PM

    Pete Carroll: Batting 1.000 for getting of the hook in his coaching career.

  13. realdealsteel says: Jun 5, 2012 7:10 PM

    Doesn’t matter. Because Adolph Hitler Goodall wants football to be like synchronized swimming with helmets on.

    No touching whatsoever.

  14. sfsaintsfan says: Jun 5, 2012 7:11 PM

    Pete Carroll should be suspended for a year without pay and the Seahawks should lose two second round draft choices.

  15. granadafan says: Jun 5, 2012 7:44 PM

    Cheaty Petey apparently learned nothing after his time at U$C.

  16. nineroutsider says: Jun 5, 2012 8:03 PM

    @Deb says: Jun 5, 2012 6:21 PM

    Thanks for pointing out that Goodell has sole discretion for determining whether an offense has occurred, punishing that offense, and revealing the nature and evidence of the alleged offense. Perhaps that would explain to some frequent PFT commenters why many of us feel he has too much power. Then again, they’re probably babbling “Don’t break the rules and you won’t get in trouble” as I type.

    Makes me think of the John Mayer lyric about power and the media: “When they own the information, they can bend it all they want.” Same with the rules. If Goodell is the sole decider, he can twist the rules to suit what’s convenient for him and his bosses … and he frequently does just that.
    —————————–
    I am so confused about this. Now I’m all for democracy and transparency, but when did the league become a governmental entity that had to answer to constituents? When did we start telling private (OK fine semi-private if you want because they have an an anti-trust exemption) corporations how to police their shop? Would you tell a major corporation that they need more transparency in how they discipline their people? Obviously when laws are violated presents a different scenario, but should we be concerned with how corporations discipline their people for workplace violations? I would say emphatically – NO!.

    When did fans decide that the league is no longer a private entity and confuse it with being a government? Does the league need its own federate appellate type judicial system now? Why, because the commissioner is focused on grabbing power (LMAO) and not the best interest of the league and the game? Is he gearing up to invade Poland? Is he trying to destroy the Saints because he hates Benson? Is he trying to destroy the Skins because George Preston Marshall was a racist?

    It’s pretty simple:

    Injury Bounty Program=Detrimental to the Game
    Evading a Colluded Salary Cap=An Unfair Advantage (detrimental to the game)
    Full Contact Practice in violation of the CBA=An Honest Misinterpretation of the new CBA if it’s the first offense

    Stop treating Goodell like he’s your Congressman. In fact, why don’t you start applying the same high level of scrutiny to your Congressman, you know…the person that actually represents you in our democratic system. The one that makes decisions that actually affect you.

    If you are concerned about the rules Goodell’s bends and frames to serve his purpose, you will love what they are doing in government. I mean, if Government matters to you as much as football.

  17. darthsaint says: Jun 5, 2012 8:03 PM

    Ban him for a year!! Oh wait, we already got a sacrificial lamb this year.

  18. nineroutsider says: Jun 5, 2012 8:04 PM

    @realdealsteel says: Jun 5, 2012 7:10 PM

    Doesn’t matter. Because Adolph Hitler Goodall wants football to be like synchronized swimming with helmets on.

    No touching whatsoever.
    ——————————————-
    That sounds more like the Steelers defense from where I was sitting…

  19. nineroutsider says: Jun 5, 2012 8:06 PM

    @sfsaintsfan says: Jun 5, 2012 7:11 PM

    Pete Carroll should be suspended for a year without pay and the Seahawks should lose two second round draft choices.
    ———————————————
    No, he reserves that for the special morons who don’t stop when privately asked to the first 3 times…

  20. papabush88 says: Jun 5, 2012 8:11 PM

    @granadafan

    Your comment doesn’t make any sense. The NCAA investigated Pete Carroll and concluded that he had no involvement in the Reggie Bush scandal. I do, however, like that you call us U$C. It’s awesome to be rich! Wouldn’t want to be POORegon. Here is a excerpt from the 67 page report the NCAA filed on USC:

    “Further, NCAA Bylaw 32.1.4 – Cooperative Principle, also addresses institutional responsibility to fully cooperate during infractions investigations, stating, in relevant part, “The cooperative principle imposes an affirmative obligation on each institution to assist the enforcement staff in developing full information, to determine whether a possible violation of NCAA legislation has occurred and the details thereof.” The committee determined that the cooperation exhibited by the institution met its obligation under Bylaws 19.01.3.3 and 32.1.4.”

    Pete and USC cooperated. Pete was absolved of all guilt per the NCAA. So, who are you to say he was guilty or a cheater? Do you have inside knowledge? Did you perform a more thorough investigation compared to the NCAA’s?

  21. patriots123456 says: Jun 5, 2012 8:53 PM

    They were going to fine Pete, but soon realized his regular season record was enough punishment.

  22. norcalmafia says: Jun 5, 2012 9:11 PM

    When he was told Goodell replied “who are the Seahawks?”

  23. goldrush36 says: Jun 5, 2012 10:23 PM

    Not a Hawks fan obviously, but I see this as a good thing for the team. If he wasn’t fined then obviously it wasn’t extremely blatant. At least he has the team going hard and competing. Looking forward to a more competitive NFC West this year.

  24. Deb says: Jun 5, 2012 11:04 PM

    nineroutsider says:

    @Deb

    I am so confused about this. Now I’m all for democracy and transparency, but when did the league become a governmental entity that had to answer to constituents? When did we start telling private (OK fine semi-private if you want because they have an an anti-trust exemption) corporations how to police their shop? Would you tell a major corporation that they need more transparency in how they discipline their people?

    Let me stop you right there. You better believe I would. Let’s hear it for Mother Jones (referring to the activist, not the magazine).

    Stop treating Goodell like he’s your Congressman.

    If I were treating him like he’s my Congressman, I’d be directing my complaints to him and to the editorial pages, not to a blog. And I’d be working to have him removed from office. But I’m a football fan and he’s an executive who abuses his power. So I’ll just voice my opinion here whether you like it or not.

    In fact, why don’t you start applying the same high level of scrutiny to your Congressman, you know…the person that actually represents you in our democratic system. The one that makes decisions that actually affect you.

    My, my, aren’t we being presumptuous? I am politically active. If you can’t intellectually juggle both football and politics, then perhaps you should sign off here. I manage to simultaneously handle both of those and a variety of other topics and activities just fine, thank you.

  25. gadgetdawg says: Jun 5, 2012 11:16 PM

    @Deb
    None of this is really all that difficult. I believe the Commissioner has exactly as much power as the Owners and the Union agreed to vest in him via the CBA. He has the responsibility to decide these things because all parties agreed to give him that power.

    If you all think he has too much then your beef is with those parties.

  26. rukkus1 says: Jun 6, 2012 12:08 AM

    First, When you have guys flying around trying their hardest to make a team and make their dreams come true, people are going to collide and theres going to be contact. Pete nor anyone else is going to stop contact 100% of the time.

    Second, this is something players voted for, so quit bitchin about goodell enforcing it.

    And lastly, but most importantly, this is not in the same ballpark as bounty cases, or cap rules.

    You folks blaming goodell for everything sound like morons. This is happening cuz the players wanted it.

    Fines on hits are happening cuz ex players are raising hell.

    Bounty cases are happening cuz that team was real blatent and asked to stopped for years.

    Cap issues are happening cuz certain teams tried to get
    over.

  27. trollhammer20 says: Jun 6, 2012 12:58 AM

    sfsaintsfan says:Jun 5, 2012 7:11 PM

    Pete Carroll should be suspended for a year without pay and the Seahawks should lose two second round draft choices.
    _______________________________

    I asked myself “What kind of moron actually believes this?” Then I read your screen name, and understood.

  28. joetoronto says: Jun 6, 2012 5:05 AM

    Keep running, Pete!

  29. rockthered1286 says: Jun 6, 2012 7:50 AM

    @Deb

    I love your passion, I really do (especially when I get a chance to get in a heated Ravens/Steelers dispute with you) but I would never ever admit to knowing John Mayer lyrics.

    Cringe-worthy.

  30. largent80 says: Jun 6, 2012 8:46 AM

    so it’s official. We can change the name ‘Doug Baldwin’ to ‘Nearly Headless Nick’. That sounds way cooler.

  31. infectorman says: Jun 6, 2012 9:02 AM

    @ deb:

    as Rockherd said, quoting soft-rock guitar star wannabes is never good on this site.
    Quote Metallica or Led Zeppelin at least.

    The relationship between and elected official and his/her constituency is”loosely” analogous to the relationship between a corporation and it’s stockholders.
    So while your passion and outrage are commendable, you’re mixing apples and oranges.

    NinerOutsider has it right; as fans we have no real rights.

    UNLESS!! We bought a worthless piece of paper from the Green Bay Packers to frame and hang on our walls!!!!
    Then we can bitch all we want.. ;-)

  32. Deb says: Jun 6, 2012 1:48 PM

    Fellas, I’m not snotty. I just can’t get an innocuous, fun reply to your music comments past the Wednesday-afternoon censor. Sad, isn’t it? Obviously his humor chip has been extracted and all they left behind was a stick up his backside.

  33. seahulk9 says: Jun 6, 2012 9:00 PM

    hey farth saint perhaps you should should do a bit more reading before you cry sacrificial saints because you just got caught doing the same crap during your practices .. please pipe down darthsaint we broke 1 rule while your saints seem to break every rule. ps. marshawn made you guys look silly in 2010…stop with the salty comments darth

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