Comments on: Report: Browns didn’t like Griffin’s size, Tannehill’s maturity

By: rextraordinaire

rextraordinaire — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:54:55 +0000

Funny, they didn’t seem to have a problem with RG3′s size when they matched the offer that the Redskins gave the Rams. Sounds like they are trying to make themselves feel better by making it look like they didn’t want him in the first place.

By: cwhite9295

cwhite9295 — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:53:49 +0000

The browns run a west coast offense, if they run what Holgrem and Shurman run. I have heard from a few wco coaches,Joe Philbin being one, that what they look for in a qb for a WCO is accuracy and mobility. Joe Montana was mobile, not the traditional pocket passer. Steve Young, Mobile. Holmgrem had another mobile qb. Brett Favre. Eagles, run it, look at thier qbs. Mcnabb, Vick. Packers current qb, Rogers. So, in order to decipher what the browns really wanted, look at the 3 choices they had. Which one is not mobile? Rg3, Tannehill or Weeden? Sure Weeden has a strong ARM, and is accurate. Both Rg 3 and Tannehill have strong arms and are accurate. So it seems they picked the qb that least fits thier system. That indicates somethings fishy. So I’ll just state facts that I know as true. The dolphins wanted Tannehill since last year. Thier new head coach hired Mike Sherman as oc. Tannehills head coach at Texas a m. A couple of other assistant coaches from Shermans staff at Texas a m were also hired by the dolphins. So let’s just say , that gave the dolphins as much inside information on Ryan Tannehill. Stuff like is he a good leader. What’s his work ethic? What his maturity level is. Jeff Ireland, the dolphins GM was getting this kind of information from guys who have been around, and watched Tannehill for the last 4 years. People who know that thier jobs depend on if Jeff Ireland keeps his. They know the truth about Tannehill. So what do you think happens when a team is looking to see if they want a player in the draft? Sure, they’ll talk to him. Do you think they stop there? Hell no they don’t! They call to check references! Guess who they called about Tannehill! His head coach from college,who now works for the dolphins and was instructed, and he agreed, to not say a word about Tannehill. So it is possible that the browns actually believe that Ryan Tannehill is immature and lacks leadership skills, but if that were true, the dolphins knew that, and would not have picked him at #8.

By: finatic001

finatic001 — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:40:22 +0000

The Browns stink and now he’s trying to justify himself for making poor business decisions.

By: the3taveren

the3taveren — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:10:34 +0000

realfootballfan says:
Jun 7, 2012 9:16 AM
Said this at the time. If Holmgren was sold on him, they would have gotten him, but they seemed lukewarm at best on Griffin.
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They offered three 1st rounders, then tried to add a high second when they found out that the Skins had offered more, and then they publicly witched and moaned and accused Fisher of “hooking” his buddy.

If that is “luke warm” I would hate to see Holmgren when he is hot to trot for a player!

realfoolsballfan, you’re a moron if you actually believe what you posted.

By: mptapp

mptapp — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:31:55 +0000

The most important Browns’ consideration wasn’t mentioned. Did they like Tannehill at #4 or Griffen at #2 (with the huge cost in trade) more than Weeden AND Richardson (plus all the other picks to trade up)?
If they (or the Dolphins) really wanted Griffen, they should have made it happen. As it is, the Browns ARE better off than Redskins (for sure!) or Dolphins if none of the 3 QBs excel, which is quite likely, since they did still get a back who might be Adrian Peterson (don’t be silly, Adrian Peterson!) for the next 8 years.
As a diehard Phins fan, I am more optimistic about Tannehill at QB in 2 years than I would be about Moore, Garrard, or even Manning…BUT I would have dropped back, taken DeCastro and then whoever I liked best in round 2 at developmental QB.

By: allenjaymosley

allenjaymosley — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:21:20 +0000

Who care what the Browns think? They have been 1 or 2 Drafts away for years. what’s taking soooo long. Ryan Tannehill is going to have a much better rookie season than Brandon Weeden to show just how dumb they are as an Organization.

By: joemontanawasthegreatest

joemontanawasthegreatest — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 09:56:41 +0000

This team has so many issues, a rookie qb will not solve them alone.

They are another draft or two away from competing.

By: deeceefan

deeceefan — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 01:01:14 +0000

Hmm it will be funny for us skins fans in week 15, when RG3 easily eludes Cleveland’s sub par pass rush and we get to see Weeden (easily the least mobile of the 1st rd qbs) get yoked up by Orakpo and Kerrigan all afternoon.

By: beeronthefridge

beeronthefridge — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:06:26 +0000

Report: Browns management obtained a rocking chair with a little shawl to be placed by Weeden’s locker.

By: beastfootball

beastfootball — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:51:28 +0000

peytonsneck18 says:
Jun 7, 2012 2:26 AM
IRG3 will be a BUST!!!!

Dude quit with your hate or do you have a man crush or something you don’t see, Redskin fans trolling on Indy stories with the same lame statement come up with something new idiot!

By: mrfrostyj

mrfrostyj — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:48:36 +0000

I can 100% believe this and the reason is right in the article.

If THE BROWNS OWNER thinks a guy is a good QB would you take him? I mean wasn’t Holmgren brought in because of the Browns owners complete lack of football common sense when it comes to picking players, coaches, waterboys and anything else…ESPECIALLY QB’s?

Enough said

Holmgren just owned a great big bonus.

Are you going to take nautical advice from the captain of the Titanic?

By: tebowsafraud

tebowsafraud — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 17:09:57 +0000

What more can one say about the Browns……..

That they make the Raiders look like a model of stability? That they make the Dolphins look like a well-oiled machine? That Randy Lerner makes Tom Benson look like Bob Kraft?

Poor Brownie fans..it’s going to be ANOTHER long long long season.

By: dawgtown86

dawgtown86 — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 16:27:12 +0000

It’s easy to take uneducated shots at an organization that isn’t winning. Great job.

1. Enough about Weeden’s age: If you could get Kurt Warner or Roger Staubach at 29 years old in round one you take them. You pass on Leaf and Jamarcus at any age.

If he’s good, it doesn’t matter.

2. Holmgren wasn’t griping to the media he was talking to season ticket holders. Repeating a lie doesn’t make it true.

3. Brown’s fans are among the best in football. Show me a city that has been through more losses (even losing the team) and heartache yet still sells out home games.

4. Tony Grossi. HA.

By: mykl954

mykl954 — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:59:05 +0000

I really do question this revisionist version of history, as I condemn throwing other players under the bus as a way to justify what might well be a high risk decision about someone with a short shelf life whose leadership qualities honed over boys up to 11 years his junior, might not translate when it comes to grown men.

However, considering there is not a wide $ differential between draft picks 4 and 8 doesn’t it make sense that Sherman advised Tannehill he would be selected by the Fins and possibly could step right in to the Aggie pro offense?. And as a result coupled with Cleveland’s reputation and the growing perception of Holmgren as yet another Tuna who’s lost more than a step from his heydays, RT purposely blew the interview, or possibly could not muster up the enthusiasm to interview aggressively – if this BS is true at all.

By: Wahoo's Wigwam

Wahoo's Wigwam — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:36:12 +0000

Its all pretty simple. Holmgrem wasn’t going to give up three 1st’s for RGIII. Matt Flynn was perceived as a 40-50 million dollar version of Colt McFrye. Tannehill was available but did not have enough experience at QB for the Browns liking.
Weeden can start now, has maturity. experience playing QB , has a strong arm and can be very accurate. Seems like a fairly straight forward thought process to me by the Browns Mgmt.

By: parasonic

parasonic — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 15:04:45 +0000

wait a minute…there is an ESPNCleveland but NOT an ESPNWashington?

By: tiredofblatheringnflexperts

tiredofblatheringnflexperts — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:42:06 +0000

I hope for Browna fans sake Jim Brown is off base with his assessment of Trent Richardson because Brandon Weeden=Chris Weinke.
For Tannehill’s maturity be called into question is ridiculous
1, the guy’s father was a coach, he’s been around football his entire life.
2, he was RECRUITED AS A QB to A&M, when the need arose for him to play another position for the team he did not whine he suited up learned the routes and played well. So knowing precisely where your targets should be and teaching your targets how to be effective in the offense is a deficit now? I think he’s the definition of FB mature.
3, when asked to return to his natural position (qb) he did and excelled.
4, the kid graduated cum laude w/ 3.6 GPA in biology he’s plenty smart.
5, the kid is married, so no Big Ben incidents are expected.

I’m not saying the kid will be a all-pro but the Browns spin makes no no sense based on facts.

By: xli2006

xli2006 — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 14:07:00 +0000

Not the long term answer for the Browns. Could develop a bit, but not going anywhere in that division anytime soon.

By: evomike06

evomike06 — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:59:36 +0000

They are just hating because they got out bidded for the guy they wanted. I mean come on when are they gonna stop making excuses? If they werent completely sold on RGIII they wouldn’t have even made a huge offer for him. Like another guy said above, wait until there reaction when RGIII smokes there crappy team this year.

By: nebster21

nebster21 — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:41:02 +0000

what do you guys expect the Browns to say. Yeah we completely blew it by getting Weeden. They have to say something to make it look like that was their pick.

By: champ1118

champ1118 — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:20:13 +0000

What did you expect them to say? I mean really? Have you ever once heard a team after the draft say, “Well, we really wanted player X but we couldn’t get him. So, we went with player Y. He’s ok and we’re satisfied but he’s not really who we wanted at that pick.” No team ever says that they wanted anyone other than who they picked. And there is no way every team got EXACTLY who they wanted. So, they lie. This is a lie too. The only team that we KNOW got exactly who they wanted are the Colts. The Browns wanted RG3 they got out-maneuvered for him and they’re all in on Weeden. Good for them being all in on Weeden, he’s a great guy and very talented. But come on, really, they have no other choice at this point and you really can’t expect them to say differently.

By: realfootballfan

realfootballfan — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 13:16:29 +0000

Said this at the time. If Holmgren was sold on him, they would have gotten him, but they seemed lukewarm at best on Griffin.

I actually agreee with them on that decision because I think boom or bust prospects who come out of no where like he did last year more often bust than boom. Who’s identified and groomed more championship level QBs, Holmgren or Shanahan? I’ll go with the Big Show since Shanahan has been pretty lousy without Elway.

By: prosourcetalk

prosourcetalk — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:39:54 +0000

Oh please, everyone knows they took Weeden at 22 because Holmgren panicked when the Titans took Wright

By: metspeed21

metspeed21 — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:05:26 +0000

The main thing they’re seeing in Weeden is that he is throwing accurately down field while Colt is still looking to complete 5 yarders. Whether or not he pans out will have to be decided on the field, but at least so far he’s showing that he deserved to be picked at the end of the 1st round. I can’t imagine the Browns would say anything disparagingly about guys they’ll have to play against in the future. This is Grossi surmising what the Browns think.

By: fatsmcnadds

fatsmcnadds — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:50:04 +0000

Shannahan put Weedon back in at the end of the game at the senior bowl and had him throw a stop and go to try and win the game.He threw a lame floater for a pick.Weedon is old with a worn out shoulder from baseball.It was right then Shanahan decided to trade for Griffin.Browns better be having him throw constantly on the side lines to keep those old joints loose.Good luck wit da!

By: truthhurtstoo

truthhurtstoo — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:24:07 +0000

This clearly shows why the Browns are the Browns…. losers from the front office on down

By: macbull

macbull — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:19:19 +0000

Don’t know if anyone cares, but did anyone else notice, ESPN reporter Tony Grossi gives “no sources” for this “alleged” information concerning RG3 and the other QBs mentioned…

Where did Tony Grossi get his facts from, for this story…who was the source ?

By: rubicon202

rubicon202 — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:12:52 +0000

The Browns are in a continual state of confusion. The player personell choices to the coaching staff? I’m confused too. Not a “fan” but one from a distance. I feel for the fans and they deserve better.

By: kenny328usa

kenny328usa — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:09:13 +0000

considering the browns track record, i’d be thrilled right now if i was a dolphins or skins fan

By: deathtoromo

deathtoromo — Thu, 07 Jun 2012 10:56:44 +0000

Right…. Sounds like fat walrus got lying tips from Harbaugh. Dumbest story I’ve seen since, well , Harbaughs.