Unless it is written in the players contract, not financial gain can be made due to performance. Simple.

I guess it is another way for the Saints to cheat the NFL.

No, because the League believes the details of what the GW & the Saints did taints the NFL’s image/marketability etc., (and thus their reluctance to release direct evidence.)

Go Lions! Go Badgers!

I “believe” Sean Pamphilon isn’t a snake and I also “believe” Roger Goodell has been completely honest.

I mean if you really believe something that is wrong you’re still being honest right?

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I don’t think quotation marks are supposed to be used the way you think they are supposed to be used.

(A) $100 bets were tantamount to incentives that drove players to do illegal things or

(B) $100 bets were just some locker room camaraderie between men.

Not sure about you guys, but my buddies and I always make bets between us. Seems a shame to make players in all locker rooms look over their shoulders now, for fear that even pretty innocuous activities will lead to severe consequences.

Pay for performance or pay for injury? Think about it.

Also, we’ve been hearing about the Saints getting $1,000 and $1,500 for “whacks” and “cart-offs” for weeks. That was the whole narrative. $1,000 to $1,500 for “whacks” and “cart-offs”. Now, a ledger gets released, where the $1,000 payments don’t match the number of cart offs. The league releases a second leak “correcting” the first leak, but it also doesn’t make much sense. So now, we get yet *another* leak, which so far as the dollar amounts go, don’t fit the narrative that the NFL has been spinning for weeks.

I get it. The Saints had a pay for performance program. I don’t believe they had a bounty program in the manner that the NFL has characterized. Why don’t I believe it? Well, every piece of evidence that the NFL leaks is actually inconsistent with the narrative that was spun when this all broke loose. Let’s take a look:

Hargrove’s statement (mischaracterized by NFL).
Orstein email to Payton (mischaracterized by NFL).
Ledger (cart offs did not match payments)
Corrected leger (cart offs still did not match payments)
This leak: the cart off amounts don’t match the amounts the NFL has publicized weeks and months.

I don’t mind that the Saints get punished for a pay for performance program. They deserve punishment. But the punishments handed out to our head coach and Vilma seem RIDICULOUS when every leak makes the NFL’s case look more and more untrustworthy.

“And so the question of whether there was a bounty system in New Orleans continues to be unclear”

My guess is Williams probably explained how the
system worked along with the verbage used during his confession talks with Goodell. Otherwise he would have been banned for life.
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If so, why wouldn’t the league have also insisted that GW say as much in his statement? GW specifically said pay-for-performance. If he had admitted to a pay-to-injure program, don’t you think the league would’ve preferred he say that in his statement (which was actually drafted by the NFL and signed by Williams).

When Williams tells the group that the “first envelope” will go to “JD” – who, according to Pamphilon and another person who was in the meeting, was Dunbar – the linebacker appears to refuse the money, instead putting it back into the pot for the current week’s game.
“You want it?” Williams asks.
“[Expletive] no,” a voice answers, as others in the room applaud.
“OK, it’s $200 – you got it for a ‘whack,’ ” Williams says. The rest of his words are drowned out by loud cheers.
Williams then singles out Harper by uniform number, saying, “41, one whack, $200.” Others in the room yell, “Give it back,” and Harper, like Dunbar, seems to comply – a common practice among Saints defenders.

I “believe” Sean Pamphilon isn’t a snake and I also “believe” Roger Goodell has been completely honest.

I mean if you really believe something that is wrong you’re still being honest right?

And the NFL appears to still be trying to build their case in late March / Early April (just like using Hargroves statement to suspend him).

We went from the Saints specifically targeted players to injure to trying to define whack.

My guess is Williams probably explained how the
system worked along with the verbage used during his confession talks with Goodell. Otherwise he would have been banned for life.