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	<title>Comments on: NFLPA launches pursuit of collusion case with information request</title>
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		<title>By: jagerbmb</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/07/nflpa-launches-pursuit-of-collusion-case-with-information-request/#comment-1824746</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 19:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually I cannot blame this on Goodell...  John Mara is the one who opened this can of worms wanting to punish divisional rivals, and De Smith signed off on it to save his own @$$ and get re-elected, instead of putting the players first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I cannot blame this on Goodell&#8230;  John Mara is the one who opened this can of worms wanting to punish divisional rivals, and De Smith signed off on it to save his own @$$ and get re-elected, instead of putting the players first.</p>
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		<title>By: ghlatty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ghlatty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 15:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A collusion suit was filed and dismissed by players before the CBA was finalized.  I think the issue is what, if any, collusion was admitted to by the owners that the NFLPA relied on as being the only collusion issues before agreeing to the CBA.  If the owners misrepresented the facts that the NFLPA is now suing over, there was not a true &quot;meeting of the minds&quot; of the parties to the contract.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A collusion suit was filed and dismissed by players before the CBA was finalized.  I think the issue is what, if any, collusion was admitted to by the owners that the NFLPA relied on as being the only collusion issues before agreeing to the CBA.  If the owners misrepresented the facts that the NFLPA is now suing over, there was not a true &#8220;meeting of the minds&#8221; of the parties to the contract.</p>
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		<title>By: eaglesfan290</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/07/nflpa-launches-pursuit-of-collusion-case-with-information-request/#comment-1823902</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eaglesfan290]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NFLPA is just looking for a way to still win what they already lost! They gave up any right to litigate these kinds of things when they signed the new CBA, so now they are going to the secret weapon Judge Doty (AKA Ultra Liberal Doty) or (Pro Union Doty). 

Now why would the League ever negotiate in good faith or trust the NFLPA again if they do this?  Lawsuits arise from the failure to negotiate and the lack of strong leaders. They are nothing more than a fallback position for the weak. De Smith is tolerated not respected by the NFL. If the NFLPA wants to be happy fire De Smith and get someone that can be respected. The key is to find someone who can find common ground with the NFL and its owners without lawsuits. The league tends to be a bit of a hypocrite it champions player safety yet defends the very players who intentionally harm its own members.  This issue should be a no brainer and common ground with the NFL. If you find common ground on these issues maybe the financial issues wouldn’t be such a roadblock.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NFLPA is just looking for a way to still win what they already lost! They gave up any right to litigate these kinds of things when they signed the new CBA, so now they are going to the secret weapon Judge Doty (AKA Ultra Liberal Doty) or (Pro Union Doty). </p>
<p>Now why would the League ever negotiate in good faith or trust the NFLPA again if they do this?  Lawsuits arise from the failure to negotiate and the lack of strong leaders. They are nothing more than a fallback position for the weak. De Smith is tolerated not respected by the NFL. If the NFLPA wants to be happy fire De Smith and get someone that can be respected. The key is to find someone who can find common ground with the NFL and its owners without lawsuits. The league tends to be a bit of a hypocrite it champions player safety yet defends the very players who intentionally harm its own members.  This issue should be a no brainer and common ground with the NFL. If you find common ground on these issues maybe the financial issues wouldn’t be such a roadblock.</p>
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		<title>By: tbpdog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tbpdog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[not thanks DE Smith, thank Roger Goodell and John Mara, had they not been so heavy handed with Dallas and Washington none of this would be happening.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not thanks DE Smith, thank Roger Goodell and John Mara, had they not been so heavy handed with Dallas and Washington none of this would be happening.</p>
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		<title>By: wuuh</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/07/nflpa-launches-pursuit-of-collusion-case-with-information-request/#comment-1823863</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wuuh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 11:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They should attach numbers to the NFL and NFLPA  counsel&#039;s blazers. Defendants should have to wear home ties, etc. Come on NFL your missing out on a great new revenue stream]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should attach numbers to the NFL and NFLPA  counsel&#8217;s blazers. Defendants should have to wear home ties, etc. Come on NFL your missing out on a great new revenue stream</p>
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		<title>By: djstat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[djstat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is dumb.  thanks De Smith]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is dumb.  thanks De Smith</p>
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		<title>By: saintsfan26</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saintsfan26]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 07:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Beerbudsnbevo:

It wasnt even that long ago.  You just gotta look back to before Roger Goodell was Commissioner and thats when football was still football.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beerbudsnbevo:</p>
<p>It wasnt even that long ago.  You just gotta look back to before Roger Goodell was Commissioner and thats when football was still football.</p>
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		<title>By: jerrysandusky1</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jerrysandusky1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 06:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They should play a game of football to settle the score.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should play a game of football to settle the score.</p>
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		<title>By: dickjagger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dickjagger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 06:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@BeerBudsnBevo
Your right. I remember in the ninties as well! 
Best thing to do is avoid all these sports/legal/rumor sites and just strictly watching the games on Sunday. If you want news on your team just read your local online paper or team site. It&#039;s gotten quite ridiculous!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BeerBudsnBevo<br />
Your right. I remember in the ninties as well!<br />
Best thing to do is avoid all these sports/legal/rumor sites and just strictly watching the games on Sunday. If you want news on your team just read your local online paper or team site. It&#8217;s gotten quite ridiculous!</p>
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		<title>By: rg3isvictory</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/07/nflpa-launches-pursuit-of-collusion-case-with-information-request/#comment-1823762</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rg3isvictory]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 05:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s clear the NFL colluded so for anybody to question that you&#039;d have your head in the sand or just blind to reality. Mara is the idiot who could keep his mouth shut regarding the Skins and Boys! Multiple occasions he publicly talk about the spending too much! 

 Whether Doty allows the case to be reopened is another story. The league has all these judges in their pockets so I suspect they&#039;ll walk away without any damages.  They clearly believe that otherwise they wouldn&#039;t have imposed those penalties against the the Boys and Skins for spending too much in an uncapped year! Getting the players to sign off on could be their undoing!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s clear the NFL colluded so for anybody to question that you&#8217;d have your head in the sand or just blind to reality. Mara is the idiot who could keep his mouth shut regarding the Skins and Boys! Multiple occasions he publicly talk about the spending too much! </p>
<p> Whether Doty allows the case to be reopened is another story. The league has all these judges in their pockets so I suspect they&#8217;ll walk away without any damages.  They clearly believe that otherwise they wouldn&#8217;t have imposed those penalties against the the Boys and Skins for spending too much in an uncapped year! Getting the players to sign off on could be their undoing!!!</p>
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		<title>By: macwomack</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/07/nflpa-launches-pursuit-of-collusion-case-with-information-request/#comment-1823736</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[macwomack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 04:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@geo1113 

They are hardly fishing. Keep in mind that John Mara in his finite wisdom. Admitted to the secret salary cap during an interview with ESPN.com this spring. The union even used his quotes as part of their initial court papers.

Strangely enough the cat was not let out of the bag by Snyder or Jones. They merely fought the penalty. When they did Mara got all rightous and indignant and in doing so let the cat out of the bag.

While Mara&#039;s quotes alone may not prove collusion they prove being smart is not a prerequisite to spending your daddy&#039;s money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@geo1113 </p>
<p>They are hardly fishing. Keep in mind that John Mara in his finite wisdom. Admitted to the secret salary cap during an interview with ESPN.com this spring. The union even used his quotes as part of their initial court papers.</p>
<p>Strangely enough the cat was not let out of the bag by Snyder or Jones. They merely fought the penalty. When they did Mara got all rightous and indignant and in doing so let the cat out of the bag.</p>
<p>While Mara&#8217;s quotes alone may not prove collusion they prove being smart is not a prerequisite to spending your daddy&#8217;s money.</p>
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		<title>By: macwomack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[macwomack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 04:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Mara requires an explanation...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Mara requires an explanation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jwayne111</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/07/nflpa-launches-pursuit-of-collusion-case-with-information-request/#comment-1823726</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jwayne111]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 04:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike Florio wants some evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Florio wants some evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: thegreatgabbert</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/07/nflpa-launches-pursuit-of-collusion-case-with-information-request/#comment-1823721</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thegreatgabbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 04:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Before we get started here, does anyone need to use the bathroom?&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Before we get started here, does anyone need to use the bathroom?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: thegreatgabbert</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/07/nflpa-launches-pursuit-of-collusion-case-with-information-request/#comment-1823713</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thegreatgabbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 03:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to establish a minimum degree of sentience among the bickering parties, the Judge requested that all present raise their right hand to their right ear. &quot;Right hand!&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to establish a minimum degree of sentience among the bickering parties, the Judge requested that all present raise their right hand to their right ear. &#8220;Right hand!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: thegreatgabbert</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/07/nflpa-launches-pursuit-of-collusion-case-with-information-request/#comment-1823709</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thegreatgabbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 03:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They started with an information request.

&quot;Uhhh...how do we go about doing this, anyway....?&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They started with an information request.</p>
<p>&#8220;Uhhh&#8230;how do we go about doing this, anyway&#8230;.?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: geo1113</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[geo1113]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like a fishing expedition to me.  It would seem to me if the owners were going to collude (and I am certainly open to that possibility), they would do it with a wink and a nod.  Even Jones and Snyder know it would cost them much more to let the cat out of the bag if that is what happened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a fishing expedition to me.  It would seem to me if the owners were going to collude (and I am certainly open to that possibility), they would do it with a wink and a nod.  Even Jones and Snyder know it would cost them much more to let the cat out of the bag if that is what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: beerbudsnbevo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beerbudsnbevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 03:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anybody else out there remember (and this is when I was a kid) back during the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s, watching football and hardly ever hear about lawsuits, court cases and crap....

Football used to be a get away from all that crap. 

Sheesh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody else out there remember (and this is when I was a kid) back during the 70&#8242;s and 80&#8242;s, watching football and hardly ever hear about lawsuits, court cases and crap&#8230;.</p>
<p>Football used to be a get away from all that crap. </p>
<p>Sheesh</p>
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		<title>By: cwwgk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cwwgk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 03:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s there to dust off? The case was just &quot;settled&quot; last year. Not sure even Judge Doty will have much patience for this latest act of desperation by the NFLPA. Even first year law students have to be scratching their heads at this one. Judges simply don&#039;t like parties who try to weasel out of a court assisted, binding, settlement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s there to dust off? The case was just &#8220;settled&#8221; last year. Not sure even Judge Doty will have much patience for this latest act of desperation by the NFLPA. Even first year law students have to be scratching their heads at this one. Judges simply don&#8217;t like parties who try to weasel out of a court assisted, binding, settlement.</p>
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		<title>By: skoobyfl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[skoobyfl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 03:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cutting into those Billions are we?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cutting into those Billions are we?</p>
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