Comments on: Carroll: Contracts no consideration in quarterback competition

By: 12clink

12clink — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:39:49 +0000

@mullman7675, @truthhurtstoo, et al: consider this~

Seahawks would cut Flynn for two reasons: he is not good enough; or TJack is so good Flynn is not needed.

Worst case, every QB on the team sucks. Seahawks would be in the same boat whether they picked up Flynn or not!

Best case, every QB on the team is awesome. Flynn is let go and some other team picks up Flynn’s contract off waivers. No harm.

Most likely, one or two of the three QBs are good enough to do the job. Perhaps one of the three shows promise as a future starter. One of them is sent on waivers (and Wilson put on practice squad if he’s not picked up).

The only possible downside for the Seahawks at this point is “opportunity cost” — they missed out on an opportunity by filling up their cap space and roster. As of April 21st, the Seahawks had the most cap space in the NFC West, with 13 million open for 2012. Currently there are 90 roster spots. So surely if a good veteran were available to sign, the Seahawks can get a deal done and drop a tryout player to make space?

You guys are grasping at straws in your hunt to ridicule the Seahawks, or you have no basic understanding of NFL, business, or opportunity in general.

By: cliffordc05

cliffordc05 — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:32:01 +0000

The Seahawks will allow the winner of the qb competition to start regardless of salary. The only ones who lose if a player who is given starter money becomes the backup are the ones who signed the player in the first place. If Carroll and Schneider make too many mistakes in talent evaluation then they will be cut loose by the owner. Accountability.

By: mikelitoris1

mikelitoris1 — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:19:56 +0000

Charlie Whitehurst is still flabbergasted.

By: mullman7675

mullman7675 — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:00:30 +0000

If Flynn doesn’t start then Pete is blowing it. If TJack was the answer, Flynn would have not been brought in and they would just have two QBs plus whatever vet they brought in.
QB competition is for college teams-name a starter and give him first team reps. If he struggles, pull him.

Not that hard.

By: theashleyguy

theashleyguy — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:35:32 +0000

truthhurtstoo
This franchise has no idea what they are doing? Yeah, right. Let’s see PC and JS inherited a terrible team and they took it to the playoffs the first year. Did they have a losing record and sneak into the playoffs? Yeah and all I can say is that with that level of talent, that was a Coaching of the Year effort. After 2 years, they went from one of the poorest defenses in the NFL to 9th ranked. They put 3 of their 4 members of the defense in the Pro Bowl. The only thing holding the defense back from a more elite status was the lack of a pass rush, and it looks like they have fixed that with Jones on the inside rush and Irvin as an extra speed rusher. The second half of the season last year, the running game clicked and they had the most rushing yards in the second half of the season. All this with the third youngest team in the NFL. Yeah, they don’t know what they are doing, do they?

By: theashleyguy

theashleyguy — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:23:17 +0000

sea3369:
I couldn’t agree with you more. I like the idea of the open competition for the QB position to see who is truly best, but you are absolutely right. You’ve pointed out the big drawback to not naming the starter–they don’t get to bond with the guy. Nobody is quite sure who to throw their loyalty to. Just like you, I’ve done a lot of sports over the years, and the chemistry is sure important.

By: truthhurtstoo

truthhurtstoo — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:32:35 +0000

This franchise has no idea of what their doing… Flynn better start or they just busted their payroll

By: sea3369

sea3369 — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:21:48 +0000

Ashleyguy im not totally disagreeing with ya i think they no what there doing, i just no from sports exp. that players form a chemestry with oneanother. And it’s important to have that sooner than later.

By: theashleyguy

theashleyguy — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:01:19 +0000

Here are the actual details of Flynn’s contract:

• 2012: $6 million signing bonus; $2 million base salary (fully guaranteed); $200,000 Pro Bowl bonus; $200,000 NFL MVP bonus.
• 2013: $5.25 million base salary ($2 million guaranteed); $200,000 Pro Bowl bonus; $200,000 NFL MVP bonus.
• 2014: $6.25 million base salary; $200,000 Pro Bowl bonus; $200,000 NFL MVP bonus.

By: beastmode5150

beastmode5150 — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:52:05 +0000

I love how Seahawks and Pete Carroll haters completely lose their minds when Seahawks and Pete Carroll articles go up. Hey hawks fans, don’t worry that nobody outside of Seattle realizes how much Pete and John have improved the team from the Ruskell mess. Let out young, hungry squad make them realize the when Kam smashes one of their beloved WR’s into a daze.

By: theashleyguy

theashleyguy — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:48:01 +0000

It’s not critical that the eventual winner gets all the starter reps now in practice. As long as the decision is made before the preseason begins, then they can stay in the preseason games a bit longer than you might have a starting QB normally do. They will get enough reps.

By: seattlerogueburner

seattlerogueburner — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:36:55 +0000

It’s the mentality that every sports player should have. No matter how good you are, there’s a chance someone is better then you, so keep competing and strive to be the best.

Hawks don’t have a franchise QB yet. But good on Carroll for not coming out saying Flynn is our guy, then 4 games into the season he backtracks.

(and now folks, the Seahawks #1 story follower, norcalmafia…)

By: dericivy

dericivy — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:27:26 +0000

I’m quite confident that half the people on this site don’t understand how Flynn’s contract works.

He is paid like a back up, unless he wins the starting job, and reaches incentives.

If he doesn’t win the starting job, then he doesn’t make starter money.

“Bubububub Seattle has to play Flynn because he makes so much money!!!”

Seriously, there should be a knowledge quiz on the NFL and it’s working that users have to pass before being allowed to make comments.

By: sea3369

sea3369 — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:09:54 +0000

My opinion is to pick someone now so they can get the reps needed with the first team before it gets too late and regret it…. GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!

By: joetoronto

joetoronto — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:35:19 +0000

More bullcrap from Pete Carroll.

Keep running, Pete!

By: orthomarine

orthomarine — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:22:05 +0000

Cough…BS… Cough….

By: thegrey7

thegrey7 — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:14:40 +0000

“He’s really been jerked around and not given a fair opportunity.” – Pete Caroll on Jackson after he signed from the Vikings.

By: saklr1

saklr1 — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:14:36 +0000

Sounds good. But lets see what the guy writing the checks has to say about that.

TJ had better look like the next coming of Christ if he’s going to make Flynn a 10 mil guaranteed back-up.

Exactly, not going to happen.

By: egreen4590

egreen4590 — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:57:39 +0000

Hey let’s sign a guy for starting QB money and then let him compete for the starting job!

By: therealbleedcoltsblue

therealbleedcoltsblue — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:45:50 +0000

Bottom Line: The Seahawks thought Flynn would be better than he’s shown thus far.

The Seahawks over spent a lot on a career back-up that played well in spots on a REALLY good team.. not always a great idea (see also: Cassel, Matt).

I’m pulling for T-Jack on this one.

By: qdog112

qdog112 — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:11:57 +0000

I applaud Carroll for his position. I think he’ll stick to it, if not forced by management to do otherwise.

By: joetoronto

joetoronto — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:58:41 +0000

Douche bag says what?

Keep running, Pete!