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Mike McCarthy, Jeff Saturday don’t know where the line is for offseason contact

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If there’s a boundary teams can’t cross when it comes to offseason workouts, the NFL and the NFLPA have yet to share that information with the men who need it the most.

Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Tuesday that he doesn’t know what is and isn’t allowed during offseason workouts under the new offseason workout rules.

“Frankly, I don’t know what the line is,” McCarthy said, via the Associated Press.

Unlike most coaches, McCarthy has access to one of the men who helped negotiate the new labor deal from the players’ perspective:  center Jeff Saturday.

Unfortunately, Saturday doesn’t know much about the limits of the rules, either.

“I think it’s been difficult for all of us,” Saturday said.  “When it’s written in legalese, it’s totally different than what you do on the field.  It’s very hard to know what is crossing the line, what’s too much, what’s too little.  I think you kind of put coaches out in an area where it’s very uncomfortable for those guys, and for a guy like me it’s very uncomfortable, because I have guys coming to me, asking me, you don’t really know a definitive answer.  So we’re trying to figure it out.”

And so Saturday is deferring to NFLPA leadership.

“They need to draw the line and let the coaches know, ‘Hey, this is enough, this is too much, you can go up to here,’ so everybody is clear,” Saturday said.  “And I think the PA now, they’re taking trips, they’re getting on people’s practice fields to really be able to give those coaches feedback of what we’re doing right and what we need to improve.”

That’s fine.  But if teams like the Seahawks (and maybe the Saints) are going to lose OTA days without knowing what was and wasn’t OK, the league and the union aren’t doing their jobs when it comes to helping the coaches and the players do their jobs.

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40 Responses to “Mike McCarthy, Jeff Saturday don’t know where the line is for offseason contact”
  1. thegreatgabbert says: Jun 12, 2012 9:02 PM

    Touching below the waist or any form of penetration…………… Oh, sorry, that’s something else……

  2. randallflagg52 says: Jun 12, 2012 9:05 PM

    Just tell the players to try and remember they are all (for now anyways) on the same team and to always remember that before starting a fight or getting too rough. Oh and most importantly to tell any observers: IT’S FOOTBALL NOT SOCCER!

  3. NOLA in Focus says: Jun 12, 2012 9:05 PM

    Joe Vitt knows the rules. But don’t ask him what they are.

  4. textexington says: Jun 12, 2012 9:16 PM

    Superbowl XLVII Champions!!!

  5. greglloydrules says: Jun 12, 2012 9:17 PM

    Donovan McNabb knows the rules!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. sirwalrusholmgren says: Jun 12, 2012 9:18 PM

    Jeff Saturday=25th best center in the league never seen a more over hyped o linemen in the nfl!

  7. Peter Venkman says: Jun 12, 2012 9:18 PM

    Remember the days when the NFL would let men be…well, men?

  8. skoobyfl says: Jun 12, 2012 9:22 PM

    If it feels good, it’s bad.

  9. nycoccet says: Jun 12, 2012 9:26 PM

    I think your right….Penetration is ok but you have to be gentile. Treat it like its everyone’s first time. Light contact with no rough stuff(pulling hair,biting,slapping, etc.) and penetration but not to rough or deep.

  10. elitomanningham says: Jun 12, 2012 9:31 PM

    If I’m an NFL coach, I don’t even allow the players to shake hands. If the players association can’t even decide what constitutes unacceptable contact, why test the limits? I’m continually amazed at the levels of incompetence displayed at all levels of the NFLPA.

  11. allnightdwight says: Jun 12, 2012 9:37 PM

    No, I’m not watching basketball

  12. bigwalt2990 says: Jun 12, 2012 10:02 PM

    Everything is ok, up until indian burns.

  13. forthelove says: Jun 12, 2012 10:02 PM

    Haven’t teams been punished for contact in OTAs in the past. I thought the line was crossed when someone on the team complained to the union that they’re making you go to hard.

  14. LoCoSu@%s says: Jun 12, 2012 10:18 PM

    Ask Goodell, the creator and enforcer of every rule known to football and beyond.
    Some day he may also formulate the rules by which human beings conduct themselves in their daily lives. Any deviation from that code of conduct will result in fines, suspensions or both.

  15. gridironmike says: Jun 12, 2012 10:20 PM

    “McCarthy and Saturday don’t know where the line is? I’ll show them. I’ll suspend them for 8 games each!”
    - Roger Goodell

  16. bullcharger says: Jun 12, 2012 10:23 PM

    textexington says:Jun 12, 2012 9:16 PM

    Superbowl XLVII Champions!!!

    ————–

    you sound more like rexryangton

  17. profootballwalk says: Jun 12, 2012 10:29 PM

    George Costanza voice: “That was wrong? If I had known, I would never have done it!”

    Boss: “You’re fired!”

  18. Deb says: Jun 12, 2012 10:34 PM

    Although this issue grew out of player demands, now that the agreement’s been signed, it’s the league’s responsibility to communicate to teams how much contact is allowed. This was my big problem with Goodell when he began issuing those astronomical fines to defensive players. Film frequently showed players being flagged and fined for legal hits. The commissioner never bothered to communicate, clearly and in writing, to all players and teams exactly where he was drawing the line.

    For a corporate guy, Goodell has a shocking lack of appreciation for the value of corporate communications. One the other hand … as long as he doesn’t spell out exactly what he wants, no one can successfully challenge his declaration that a team has violated these unwritten rules. There’s a method to Goodell’s madness.

  19. jimmysee says: Jun 12, 2012 10:35 PM

    The eagle flies on Friday — but not Thursday.

  20. Revolution22 says: Jun 12, 2012 10:42 PM

    Peter Venkman says:Jun 12, 2012 9:18 PM

    Remember the days when the NFL would let men be…well, men?

    Yeah, actually.

    This is a case where the Unions tried to make the rules, and yet, don’t even know what the hell they are. Or change them whenever possible.

    Yet another bad thing about DSmith, and his cohorts.

  21. noeffinway says: Jun 12, 2012 10:51 PM

    thegreatgabbert says: Jun 12, 2012 9:02 PM

    Touching below the waist or any form of penetration…………… Oh, sorry, that’s something else……
    ———————-

    Well then, Rodgers may as well stay home then eh?

  22. Stiller43 says: Jun 12, 2012 10:56 PM

    So its safe to say jeff saturday wants an explanation?

  23. Punk says: Jun 12, 2012 11:00 PM

    “the league and the union aren’t doing their jobs”

    How many times in the past year and a half have we said that?

  24. Punk says: Jun 12, 2012 11:04 PM

    I think Vince Wilfork would disagree on the assessment that Saturday is overhyped.

  25. bucfandango says: Jun 12, 2012 11:43 PM

    Don’t ask, don’t tell….

  26. theashleyguy says: Jun 12, 2012 11:53 PM

    It’s becoming more and more clear that the Seahawks got screwed royally. They levied 2 OTA days against the Hawks without even the player reps knowing what is acceptable and what’s not. Pull back the punishment against the Hawks or study the videos of every team and punish ‘em all.

  27. lafan85 says: Jun 13, 2012 12:07 AM

    If they sweat too much they arent making enough money.

  28. md228010 says: Jun 13, 2012 12:27 AM

    Overhyped…. I don’t think Jeff has ever been hyped up… Just merely showed up every game and done his job for Peyton his entire career.. Not a real analyst in the game would say that about Jeff. He was a blessing to have him in Indy on and off the field. His off field philanthropic ways will always hold great value here in Indy. His jerseys we’re among the highest behind Peyton bc the fans loves Him
    And still do. A outstanding football player and person.

  29. bleedinggreenngold says: Jun 13, 2012 12:29 AM

    Does the red QB jersey have a purpose anymore?

  30. stellarperformance says: Jun 13, 2012 6:34 AM

    noeffinway says: Jun 12, 2012 10:51 PM

    ….”no touching below the waist or any form of penetration…………”

    Well then, Rodgers may as well stay home then eh?
    ==================================

    You tell us……you’d know.

  31. mwindle1973 says: Jun 13, 2012 7:30 AM

    Better explain this to Drew Brees!

  32. captaincanoe says: Jun 13, 2012 8:08 AM

    Use the Pro Bowl as a guide.

  33. jimbo75025 says: Jun 13, 2012 9:06 AM

    Mike McCarthy may not know where the line is for offseason contact but he certainly knows where the buffet line is.

  34. smchristensen says: Jun 13, 2012 9:39 AM

    Hmmm, so Wisconsin was right. Unions are bad.

  35. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Jun 13, 2012 9:48 AM

    Jeff Saturday? I’d rather have Milt Sunde!

  36. electionconfidential says: Jun 13, 2012 9:54 AM

    Has the NFL just finally come apart at the seams? They used to seem so well organized…

  37. firethorn1001 says: Jun 13, 2012 10:50 AM

    Doesn’t it take 2 parties for any contact to matter. Considering that the Packers defense avoids contact, there shouldn’t be any concerns of where the line is…

    (As a Packer fan.. seemed like the obvious joke…)

  38. rushmatic says: Jun 13, 2012 11:11 AM

    I’m getting sick of the wishy-washy writing done by this site.

    Every other article seems to be…

    “blah, blah, blah… could be illegal. Blah, blah, blah, arrested… blah blah, blah…

    and that’s fine, BUT…”

  39. Deb says: Jun 13, 2012 12:24 PM

    @rushmatic …

    You’re missing the point. Mike can’t make definitive comments on rules that aren’t definitive. It’s not PFT that’s gone wishy-washy; it’s the Goodell-run league. Roger likes keeping things vague so he can’t be pinned down in court or during player appeals. It’s a tactic–and it works very well. See: Washington, D.C.

  40. randallflagg52 says: Jun 13, 2012 9:25 PM

    Remember when the NFL used to be fun to watch? These arena league shootouts that Goodell, Bill Polian and Tom Brady’s knee are/were turning the league into is not the way football was meant to be played. I hate how defenders now look around after a big hit or play for a flag because it’s getting so out of control.

    Johnny Unitas must be spinning in his grave over this BS…

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