When people in power pashionately defend the security, sanctity or integrity of an institution but have no checks to offset their power, then individual freedoms and liberties are kicked to the curb.

Roger’s in a tough spot. The Saints organization was clearly out of control but the sanctions imposed on players without sufficient evidence will blow up in his face. His actions should have stopped with draft picks, fines and coaching suspensions. Players will police themselves and bounties will go away once team mangement is put in check. Crushing the little guys is overkill.

I’d settle for one page of evidence. As soon as the NFL produces one, this will all go away.

If this scandal is remembered in a few years, it will be remembered as league scandal, not a Saints scandal.

Not sure why this needs to be clarified again, but Gregg Williams admitted, like many players, to a pay for performance program only. Against the rules, but a fraction of what the NFL is claiming.

Initial scrutiny of the information reveals evidence of salary cap violations
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The NFL already said there was no club money used, so there was no salary cap violation.

Yea well that didn’t stop The Fuhrer Goodell from punishing the skins’ and boy’s for breaking the “spirit” of a non existent rule either.

Goodell*
Future National Enquirer GM.
I hope this is the end of him before he goes after another team for something as ridiculous.
This is football…they ALL get paid to hit each other. Goodell never played sports or he would have known that.
So can we have our season back soon?

Maybe they can look in the CBA where they got pancaked as a result of not finding the terms they now are aware of.

By the way, can someone please tell me again why Sean Payton is suspended for an entire season? That just looks more and more ridiculous by the day. What Goodell is doing is 100 times worse.

Lets see how long this post stays up.

Vindication.

We Saints fans tried to tell you, all of you. Becoming more and more evident this whole thing is a sham.

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Sham? If it was a “sham” then why did Williams and Payton cop to it?

Get real. Suck it up & deal with it. The punishments aren’t going to change.

Another 82% NOLA thread…there should be a separate section for these so they can go directly there….

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Wrong, the issue *is* about injuries. If it was just a regular pay for performance plan, Payton would not have been suspended for a year for “lying about ending the bounty program”, and the defensive players would not have been suspended. The players were solely suspended for participating in a program that actively tried to injure other players.

There would have only been monetary fines and maybe the loss of the 2nd rd draft pick for salary cap violations. Pay for performance bonuses are a very minor rule violation.

So it *IS* all about the injuries. Why else would this have been so important? Do you think suspensions and media furor would have been as high if it was just “They got paid $100 for an INT”? Of course not.

Its ALWAYS been about the money for injuries.

Which Goodell has yet to prove EVER happened.

We Saints fans tried to tell you, all of you. Becoming more and more evident this whole thing is a sham.

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What, documents that prove they didn’t do something? it is almost impossible to prove a negative.

here is a task for you. provide documented proof that you never murdered someone.

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Exactly! There is no “on the field” evidence of any bounties. If Vilma stays the course, he will win his lawsuit.

Goodall and his “Hitler” tactics (methods) are out of control.

Wrong.

The new CBA requires any evidence used to determine a ruling to be given to players no later than 3 days away from an appeal.

Not surprising tons of people still have an inaccurate and incomplete view of this whole thing. Many are still stuck on “GOODELL SAID IT AND ESPN AGREED, SO ITS TRUE”.