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Mike McCarthy: Giants loss still bothers me, we beat ourselves


Five months later, Packers coach Mike McCarthy isn’t over his team’s playoff loss to the Giants.

McCarthy told Albert Breer of that as much as he respects the Giants, what makes the loss so tough to swallow is that McCarthy thinks the Packers lost more because of how they played — badly — than because of how the Giants played.

It’ll always bother me,” McCarthy said. “I don’t want this to come out the wrong way, because that win is special, that’s a great win for their football team. The margin of victory they won with, too, is definitely to their credit. But I feel like we beat ourselves in this playoff game. Or better yet, we didn’t give ourselves a chance to win the game.”

It’s easy to see why McCarthy feels that way about his team’s 37-20 loss in the divisional playoffs: The Packers had just 14 turnovers during the entire 2011 regular season, but they had four turnovers against the Giants. More than that statistic, however, what bothers McCarthy is that he didn’t think the Packers reacted well when things went badly last year, either against the Giants or in their one regular-season loss, to the Chiefs.

“That’s the thing that kicks me around at night: Did I do the right thing the Giants week? Is there something I could’ve done differently with our team? That’s what you learn from,” McCarthy said. “Unfortunately, we had two subpar days that cost us, and one was in the playoffs. Trust me, I understand the importance of playoff football. I don’t just chalk it up to a bad day, I don’t believe in that thought process. I believe that you gotta be brutally honest with yourself and make sure it never happens again.”

Losing a game is something that will happen again. But McCarthy wants to make sure that when it does happen, it’s not because the Packers beat themselves.

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59 Responses to “Mike McCarthy: Giants loss still bothers me, we beat ourselves”
  1. joetoronto says: Jun 16, 2012 6:34 AM

    “We beat ourselves”, bullcrap.

    The Giants beat you fair and square, Mike.

  2. jredshoes says: Jun 16, 2012 6:35 AM

    Winners win and losers “beat themselves.” Hell my Chiefs beat you Mike!

  3. treydeck says: Jun 16, 2012 7:10 AM

    Or it could have went the other way.i think the giants fumbled or turned the Ball over twice in the red zone.could have been 50 something to 20

  4. KL0313 says: Jun 16, 2012 7:50 AM

    Let’s not forget they were dealing with the death of offensive coordinator Joe Philbin’s son. No matter how good of a team you are, when a family member is lost, football seems trivial.

  5. giantsmetsfan says: Jun 16, 2012 7:52 AM

    Hey Mike,

    Let’s not forget that Bill Leavy scored 2 of your touchdowns by himself with the calls he made. When the ref is on your side and you still lose, it means the other team was a lot better.

  6. superpicker says: Jun 16, 2012 8:50 AM

    Coach McCarthy is exactly right.Without demeaning the Giants Superbowl run,the fact is Green Bay would beat the Giants 9 out of 10 times.While not saying it,the death of coach Philbins son proved to be the ultimate distraction the Monday before the game against the Giants.How any coach handles that,I don’t know if it’s ever happened in professional sports.That being said,the Giants are a one year wonder.Look for a more revealing 6-10 season this year

  7. roadtrip3500 says: Jun 16, 2012 8:54 AM

    Here’s a hint, Mike… play through. Rodgers didn’t take a game snap for 3 weeks, yet you expected him to just lace up and go. Meanwhile, the Giants had essentially played 3 playoff games before that – Jets and Cowboys were win-or-go-home games, then they beat the Falcons at home in the first round. They had no time to rest and were fully in rhythm when they got to Wisconsin.

    The Colts always mailed in the end of the regular season under Peyton Manning, and their post-season record shows the results.

  8. buddybowl69 says: Jun 16, 2012 9:31 AM

    As an Eagles fan, I rooted for the Giants all through the playoffs and the Super Bowl. I figured that at least one team in the NFC East can win it all, so I cheered them on. But after the Giants won it all, the real personna of their fans showed it’s ugly head. They are not magnanimous winners at all, putting down every team as if they were dirt in their way, especially the Eagles and not winning Super Bowls. Since then, I have nothing but contempt for the Giants, and anything they do or happens to them. All because of their fans…

  9. nygdriveforfive says: Jun 16, 2012 9:32 AM

    Hakeem Nicks disagrees with Coach Mcarthy. He had his way with one of the worst pass defenses in league history. The Giants dismantled an over rated and over hyped Packer team.

  10. jjgmrg901 says: Jun 16, 2012 9:35 AM

    Mike, I love it when coaches say the other team didn’t win but we beat ourselves. Maybe the Giants forced the 5 turnovers(Mike don’t forget the one that was not overturned when even Buck and Aikman thought it should) and your Packers didn’t make them. Also the roughing the passer penalty on your last touchdown drive was bogus also. So finally Mike you have lost twice to Couhglin’s Giants in the playoffs just like Billy B. in New England.
    Oh Mike if the replay official had overturned the missed touchdown by Ballard in the end zone you guys would have lost that one too but hey Coughlin didn’t cry about that one. He planned and kicked your tail in playoffs

  11. billh1947 says: Jun 16, 2012 9:42 AM

    The Packers lost one game during the saeason and that was to the lowly Cjiefs when they played their worst game of the year,it looked like nobody on the Packers wanted to win,and then they went and played the same way against the Giants. both KC and NY were lucky all the Packer players decided to take the day off when they played even though its true the defense took every game off and the rankings say it is so,it wont happen again this season,the defense will be vastly improved this season and the potent offense will finally get some help winning games.

  12. cutler23 says: Jun 16, 2012 9:47 AM

    You got out coached and out played sir

  13. jimthebuilder27 says: Jun 16, 2012 9:53 AM

    Shouldn’t hve rested Rodgers and several other players in the season finale McCupcake.

  14. zaggs says: Jun 16, 2012 10:03 AM

    If they had only lost by 7, then sure, chalk it up to the bad defense on the hail mary at the end of the first half. But they allowed 4 sacks which lead to 1 turnover while only getting 1 themselves. This is despite the refs ignoring blatant penalties (again). The Giants beat the Packers and the Refs that day straight up.

  15. pksoze says: Jun 16, 2012 10:04 AM

    It’s interesting that Mccarthy nor the Packers fans making excuses mention that they received the help of some dubious calls in that game. Two calls lead to two Packers TD’s. The Packers also blocked a field goal so they could have lost by a lot more.

    I can deal with the 49ers fans talking about what ifs because it was a close game. However, the Packers were soundly beaten. The only playoff game in the Super Bowl run that was easier was vs the Falcons.

    Also as for the Giants being a one hit wonder this is their second Super Bowl in 5 years so they’re at least a two hit wonder.

  16. zoidenflak says: Jun 16, 2012 10:05 AM

    That’s what happens when you bring half a team to the playoffs…

  17. dabears2485 says: Jun 16, 2012 10:28 AM

    McCarthy’s grasp on the obvious is firm. If you play better than the other team, you win. The Giants played better. That’s all that matters.

  18. lolb23 says: Jun 16, 2012 10:30 AM

    Uhg. Packers are the new/old Colts. Just can’t deal losing to the better team. The Colts could never admit the Patriots owned them and now the Psckers can’t admit the Giants are the better team. Try getting a defense. Until then, blame that.

  19. ialwayswantedtobeabanker says: Jun 16, 2012 11:26 AM

    The “we beat ourselves” argument rarely, if ever, resonates well. McCarthy is a class act, but playing that card (intentionally or not) demeans your opponent and the legitimacy of the rightful outcome.

    It also ignores that fact that every vanquished opponent can run that card out too, not necessarily plausibly – but they could.

    Just eat the loss, pay respect and give proper credit to your opponent and keep moving.

    Don’t belittle the team that didn’t make the stream of mistakes your team did (comparative coaching deficiencies???) — while unwittingly making yourselves much smaller in the process.

  20. grbigblue says: Jun 16, 2012 11:31 AM

    The Packers got dismantled by Eli and the Giants passing attack. It was their achilles heel all year and the Giants exposed it on the biggest stage. Outcoached. Eli outgunned golden boy Rodgers also. Cry me a river. Show some class coach. The game was over when Hakeem outleaped almost your entire secondary for a TD before the half. Also to the Eagle fan above who was “rooting” for the Giants, don’t do them any favors. Giants fans would never wish for anything but the worst for the Eagles and that is a fact. So give us all a break with that BS please.

  21. jakek2 says: Jun 16, 2012 11:38 AM

    Nevermind the Giants being the first 9 win team to win the SB. With all the teams claiming that they “beat themselves” when playing the Giants, the Giants are the first zero-win team to win the SB.

  22. vikescry1 says: Jun 16, 2012 11:46 AM

    as a packers fan i can say yes they turned the ball over 4 times and it wasn’t something they did on a consistent basis. and yes there were some bad calls that went the packers way. also they were dealing with the death of philbin’s son the week before and tj langs dad the week before that. but plain and simple the giants were the packers from the year before. motivated, and they beat the pack fare and square. so lets just say congrats to the giants and hopefully it motivates the pack to play like driver did in that game. with heart. nuff said

  23. andrewproughcfe says: Jun 16, 2012 11:49 AM

    Hey McCarthy – Jerry Jones also thinks his team is “the better team” and “more talented” every time the ‘Pokes lose.

    Don’t fall into that trap – you had a good record last year, but the Giants were definitely the better team. Your receivers were too easily pushed out of their routes, Rogers still gets too nervous with pressure up the middle, and your defense is quite possibly the worst in NFL history, based on points and stats.

  24. Ram says: Jun 16, 2012 11:57 AM

    The ol’ “We beat ourselves” excuse rears its head again. I wish I could use this excuse when talking about my team. If I could, then the Rams would be the ultimate “We beat ourselves” champions! Would love to see less than 10 “We beat ourselves” games this year. I know its a lot to ask, but hey, I can hope can’t I?

  25. CKL says: Jun 16, 2012 1:11 PM

    I don’t understand why people think McCarthy is discrediting the NYG. He is blatantly questioning his own decisions as having an impact on his teams chances that game. I think perhaps we won’t see him resting his star QB like that again in week 17 (HI BILL POLIAN who never learned this). They are a precision offense and it’s hard to believe that didn’t affect their precision, watching that game vs. the NYG.

  26. redbeardxxv says: Jun 16, 2012 2:09 PM

    It’s interesting how Packers fans cite “giving up 4 turnovers” instead of admitting that Giants FORCED 4 turnovers. Or that the Packer’s receivers were “Out of sync” instead of admitting that the Giants forced them off their routes. They didn’t beat themselves, they got beat by good technique, a solid game plan, and a team that was hungrier. Stop with this “We beat ourselves crap” and admit it. You got beat because the Giants were better prepared, more motivated and executed better. IOW, they beat you.

  27. threedeep1998 says: Jun 16, 2012 2:35 PM

    Beat yourselves? No…you got whooped.

  28. tmilla19 says: Jun 16, 2012 2:38 PM

    Just an FYI the “Mike” you are referring to is not on the other end reading your posts. So it doesn’t make much sense to act like you are talking to, “Mike,” when writing your posts. This is like the blind leading the drunk on these posts here. McCarthy gave them their just due and he’s right they didn’t give themselves a chance to win, because when you have zero pass, rush (which was the only reason they had the worst passing defense) and turn the ball over 4 times you aren’t going to win.

  29. eaststsfb says: Jun 16, 2012 2:38 PM

    McCarthy is one of the last coaches that would discredit another team for beating his team. You can clearly hear that in his comments. He knows that the Giants were the better team for ONE GAME. He doesn’t blame the players or any thing else for the loss – he is quick to look in the mirror and assess his own performance before blaming others. This shows the character he has and what makes him a great coach. All you Packer haters must be to simple minded to understand it.

  30. realfootballfan says: Jun 16, 2012 2:53 PM

    Sure you did, champ.

    The bad football that you were playing going into the playoffs had nothing to do with it.

    The horrible secondary that you had all year had nothing to do with it.

  31. beerbratscheese says: Jun 16, 2012 4:17 PM

    @realfootballfan What bad football are you talking about? The Packers hung a combined 80 points against two division rivals in the last two weeks of the season. Both teams had better defenses in the regular season than the Giants did.

    So if it was the Giants defense that dominated the offense, how do you explain the 8+ drops by the receivers? The the Giants secondary use telekinesis? Did they yell BOO a lot? Maybe it was all JPP’s hot air that altered the ball’s flight. Despite what it was, it wasn’t the Giant’s football skill that made this happen.

    Yes, the Giants forced four/five turnovers when the Packers committed only 14 all regular season. I give credit to the Giants, but it seems fairly apparent that the turnovers can be accredited to a lack of focus due to Philbin’s son’s death and the time off, just as much as the Giants’ defense.

    I’ve said many times, the Giants earned that win, and they deserved to win, but Giants fans need to be objective too, and look at all that was going on at that time.

  32. steeltuff says: Jun 16, 2012 4:24 PM

    When Philly fans start criticizing other fans’ behavior, I just wonder in amazement.

  33. stavreafavre says: Jun 16, 2012 4:40 PM

    Seems to me others are “crying” more than McCarthy is, who basically just says his team didn’t play well and he didn’t have them well-prepared. “We played our best game of the year but got beat” – would that be a more “honest” statement? I now bow three times in the general direction of New Jersey, let the old season go, and look forward to the new one.

  34. giantsfan2104 says: Jun 16, 2012 5:00 PM

    KL0313 says:
    Jun 16, 2012 7:50 AM
    Let’s not forget they were dealing with the death of offensive coordinator Joe Philbin’s son. No matter how good of a team you are, when a family member is lost, football seems trivial.

    I remember a certain Packers QB from Hattiesburg, Mississippi who’s father died suddenly. The very next day, he went into the Black Hole on a Monday Night. Not only did he rally his team to win, he had the best game of his career.

    I’m not calling out Coach Philbin, what happened was a tradgedy. I AM calling out Packers fans who insist that was ONLY reason they lost. The Giants played better. Period.

  35. steeltuff says: Jun 16, 2012 5:08 PM

    A head coach should keep this stuff in the locker room. When he says it to the media, it looks like he’s a whiner.

  36. gnarlswoodson says: Jun 16, 2012 5:22 PM

    lol all the packer haters are really hurting our feelings with your comments. We should just bury our heads in the sand because we lost this game right? 15 REGULAR season wins we should be ashamed! The Giants beat us boo hoo. What about when the Packers embarrassed the Giants by a much larger margin one year earlier in Green Bay to keep the Giants out of the playoffs? Listen, you cant win the super bowl every year, and if you dont realize that, then dont watch football.However, If anyone on here thinks that Aaron Rodgers isnt going to win at least ONE more SB before most of your teams would even smell the conference championship game, youre crazy. Remember girls, the G stands for Greatness. Oh and one last thing. I am born and raised NYC, so i have no beef with the Giants. Ive followed this team long enough to know how wildly inconsistent they are after a good season . But hey, they will still be better than the Jets. Packers 2012

  37. beerbratscheese says: Jun 16, 2012 5:23 PM


    While I don’t think the Philbin situation was the ONLY reason they lost by any means, I would also like to point out a few things:

    1) HUGE, HUGE difference between losing a father and losing a son.

    2) There are several stages of grieving. Ole Irv died about two days before that game and the funeral hadn’t happened yet. As someone who lost his Dad when I was 24 years old, I can tell you, that Brett was probably still in the denial phase. He was probably a little numb, but the emotion is pretty easy to block because there’s still doubt in your mind that he really died.

    Philbin’s son died five or six days previously. Many players attended the funeral a couple days earlier. The actual funeral is typically where the emotions are the strongest.

    Just wanted to point out the two situations are completely unrelated.

  38. bigblue5611 says: Jun 16, 2012 5:32 PM

    Giants beat the Packers in the playoffs not once but twice in Lambeau in the last 5 years. Then went on and won 2 Super Bowls. McCarthy is a cry baby and so is Rogers

    Giants own Green Bay when it counts and can’t wait to pound them again week 10 in NY

  39. pksoze says: Jun 16, 2012 5:45 PM

    Interesting that none of the Packers fans replying back still aren’t countering the fact that they got two dubious td’s and that their ST blocked a field goal. That more than compensates for all the drops.BTW the Packers dropped a lot of passes in the SB as well. Maybe they just play tight in big games.

    And guess what you got blown out at home it wasn’t a close game. So you can say you beat yourselves all you want….but it looks to me you guys were just beat.

  40. beerbratscheese says: Jun 16, 2012 5:55 PM

    @bigblue5611 Why bring Aaron Rodgers into this? Where is he even mentioned in this article? I guess if we are going to discuss QBs, at least Rodgers plays consistently at a pro bowl level. Sheli Is a mediocre QB at best in half his games, who just happened to get hot at the right time twice.

    Hey, he has two rings, and no one can ever take those away from him, but mark my words, he will NEVER give an acceptance speech in Canton, OH.

  41. beerbratscheese says: Jun 16, 2012 5:58 PM

    @pksoze says:
    Interesting that none of the Packers fans replying back still aren’t countering the fact that they got two dubious td’s and that their ST blocked a field goal.
    I really have no idea which two TDs you are referring to. Otherwise I would talk about them.

    And you bring up the Packers special teams blocking a FG like it’s a bad thing for the Packers.

  42. pksoze says: Jun 16, 2012 6:24 PM

    I really have no idea which two TDs you are referring to. Otherwise I would talk about them.

    And you bring up the Packers special teams blocking a FG like it’s a bad thing for the Packers.


    Really you have no idea that the only two td’s the Packers scored were aided by refs calls. The first was the Jennings fumble which should have ended that drive. The second was the bs call of a hit by Osi extended another drive where the Packers were stopped .

    And I bring up the block field goal to illustrate there were points taking off the board for the Giants as well.

    My point being that the Packers got a lot of breaks that game. The Giants deserved to win and most of these “we beat ourselves” is sour grapes. You don’t see the Patriots or 49ers coaches dwelling on those games and they were far closer to winning than Green Bay was.

  43. bigblue5611 says: Jun 16, 2012 6:30 PM

    “Sheli Is a mediocre QB at best in half his games, who just happened to get hot at the right time twice.

    Hey, he has two rings, and no one can ever take those away from him, but mark my words, he will NEVER give an acceptance speech in Canton, OH.”

    Eli- 2 rings
    Rogers- 1 ring

    Rogers throws a better ball and has more talent but he is not as mentally tough as Manning and Eli is also the best big game QB in football right now.
    Rogers was off and flustered last year and he was playing at home. He was also terrible against the Bears in NFC championship game.

    Both Packer TD drives were result of two blown calls againts Giants. The Jennings fumble in 1st quarter and the ridiculous roughing QB penalty on Osi in 4th quarter. Pack should have had only 6 points

  44. Angry Orange Man says: Jun 16, 2012 6:59 PM


    Imagine our disgust at Eagles fans that haven’t anything since…EVER acting how you seem to be describing Giants fans after winning TWO Superbowls in a five year span.

    Eagles fans talk so much trash and really for no reason. You guys are awful in all sports yet you talk more than 16 year old girl best friends who just got cell phones!

    Hey you had that game where Desean returned a punt. Good for you guys! Keep on dreamin chipper and maybe some day you’ll get a ring and be even more obnoxious than you guys already are.

    BTW, that girl who was forcibly puked on by a drunken Phillies fan 2 years ago called and wants her childhood innocence back. Scum bags…

  45. trapshoot says: Jun 16, 2012 8:48 PM

    The Giants won, but Green Bay literally stunk up the place with their play. Rodgers should not have gone that long without some playing time. McCarthy generally doesn’t mouth off like this, why now?

  46. blarry21 says: Jun 16, 2012 8:49 PM

    Totally true. Anyone who thinks the Giants were a better team truly is delusionional. Probably from New York, go figure. Eli sucks and has nothing on Rodgers, never will. The Pack will go on to win at least 3 more Super Bowls under Rodgers.

  47. blarry21 says: Jun 16, 2012 8:51 PM

    Let me say delusional. Sorry grammar freaks from NY. I would’ve preferred to see the Patriots win the Bowl. At least I respect them and Brady.

  48. snafie says: Jun 16, 2012 10:10 PM

    It wasn’t mouthing off for Pete’s sake. The quote says it all:

    But I feel like we beat ourselves in this playoff game. Or better yet …

    (OK, bad choice of words, but note the immediate correction)

    … we didn’t give ourselves a chance to win the game.

    (This is absolutely true. The Giants played a terrific game and would have won against anything but a near flawless performance by GB. But the Pack were pitiful that game – for whatever reason. Their play took then out of any chance to win; which is exactly what McCarthy said.)

  49. axespray says: Jun 16, 2012 10:55 PM

    bigblue5611 says:Jun 16, 2012 5:32 PM

    “Giants beat the Packers in the playoffs not once but twice in Lambeau in the last 5 years. Then went on and won 2 Super Bowls. McCarthy is a cry baby and so is Rogers

    Giants own Green Bay when it counts and can’t wait to pound them again week 10 in NY”

    like in week 16 when two teams were battling to earn a spot into the 2010 playoffs and that team that the “Giants own” killed the Giants 45-17 with mr. elite throwing 4 interceptions ?

    Or how about you learn to spell the league’s mvp’s last name correctly… typical fair weather want everyone fired when the going gets tough giants fan… smh.

  50. axespray says: Jun 16, 2012 11:02 PM

    bigblue5611 says:Jun 16, 2012 6:30 PM
    Eli – 2 rings
    Rogers- 1 ring

    Rogers is not as mentally tough as Manning and Eli is also the best big game QB in football right now.

    Both Packer TD drives were result of two blown calls againts Giants.
    Guy that went through that favre situation isn’t mentally tough?

    Eli best big game QB in the nfl right now? … gee, where was that in 2008/2009/2010 (choke in the meadowlands pt 2?/4 interceptions in a must win game against an 8-6 team?)
    Not that hard to win two superbowls when your defense is able to hold Brady’s offense under 20 points.

    Giants fans whining about Refs? … you guys don’t even make the playoffs if the refs didn’t hand you that game against the cardinals…

  51. bigblue5611 says: Jun 16, 2012 11:49 PM

    You can have your “big” regular season win over the Giants and I’ll take the 2 huge playoff wins in Lambeau

    So sick of hearing how “great” Rogers is. He’s had 1 decent post-season (he was awful in championship game). His playoff numbers are simply not there yet

    Eli- 2 rings and 2 MVP’s and 15 TD’s and only 2 INT’s ….those are the facts.

    Nobody cares about what Green Bay did in the regular season or how great you were in September. We were a dominant 12-4 and a #1 seed following the 08 super bowl run but then choked in the playoffs but you don’t hear Giants crying “we beat ourselves”……

    Super Bowl rings are the only thing that matter but keep thinking you were a great team last year…. get a clue

  52. contra74 says: Jun 17, 2012 2:27 AM

    I love Giants fans. They tell it how it is without drinking the kook aid. It’s ok Packer fans. Show them your packer stocks, it might make the meanies go away haha.

  53. bosspower says: Jun 17, 2012 10:37 AM

    I dnt understand the whining. The Packers got whupped, Spanked, Beat, Smacked, and Dismantled. “Sheli” took late hits and never once complained to ref like a certain Eagle QB. Aaron Rodgers threw passes that were dropped and fumbled but us Giants fans dnt care bcuz whe Sheli threw 25 INT’s and 15 were off recievers hands nobody wanted to hear that. Philbin son died and that disrupted the team maybe but so does shooting urself in leg and having the Mayor demand prosecution. Nobody wanted to hear the Plaxico excuse. Philbin is in Miami so no excuses next season when we crush GB again. The Brett situation pale in comparison to Tiki, Shockey, and Plaxico situations.

  54. bosspower says: Jun 17, 2012 10:42 AM

    Oh and learn the name of the 2 time Superbowl MVP. Eli Manning. The Best Big Game QB in football, who wins in ur house. I dnt call it gettin hot, I call it playing possum and then when the ring is on the line he STRIKES. TWICE!!!!

  55. giantsfanlewis says: Jun 17, 2012 6:22 PM

    The packers didn’t even beat the giants in the regular season. The refs did. Gb was incredibly overrated last season. Even with the refs help the giants beat the living hell out of Gb in the playoffs. You didn’t beat yourself. The giants beat you and the refs and should have beat you twice

  56. usdcoyotesfan says: Jun 8, 2014 4:07 PM

    Packers beat themselves that day. All you need to know.

  57. pksoze says: Jul 11, 2015 11:32 AM

    Actually the Giants straight up beat the Packers…and have continued to beat them ever since.

  58. usdcoyotesfan says: Aug 8, 2016 12:12 PM

    Funny, cause the game I saw, the Packers beat themselves. Packers would’ve won 42-6 without all the unforced errors.

  59. usdcoyotesfan says: Jun 25, 2017 6:40 PM

    Hail Mary en route to a 38-13 whoopin. I rest my case.

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