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	<title>Comments on: Plaintiff in Pacman suit: &#8220;If he makes a dime, we&#8217;re going after it&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: bigredjbird</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[censorsuck- Very well said!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>censorsuck- Very well said!</p>
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		<title>By: tebowsafraud</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The jury heard and saw the evidence. Jones had a full and fair chance to prove his innocence but he failed. As in the OJ Simpson case, a CIVIL verdict is easier to obtain as &quot;beyond reasonable doubt&quot; is not required-only common sense.

By the way, the convicted shooter is in prison because Jones &quot;snitched&quot; at his trial and said he saw the guy do the shooting. This is after Pacman was heard by at least 6 people telling the guys that threw him out of the club &quot;you won&#039;t live to see the morning&quot;.

Of course he will appeal---and he will lose. But as so many morons on here suggested he CANNOT file bankruptcy to get rid of the judgment. Not all debts are dischargeable in a filing. Plus he makes too much money to file. 

I&#039;m sure his plan is to keep appealing until his career is over-hide whatever cash (and Super Bowl rings he may have)- and THEN file. Or do a Bowie Kuhn (or an OJ if you prefer) and move to Florida.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jury heard and saw the evidence. Jones had a full and fair chance to prove his innocence but he failed. As in the OJ Simpson case, a CIVIL verdict is easier to obtain as &#8220;beyond reasonable doubt&#8221; is not required-only common sense.</p>
<p>By the way, the convicted shooter is in prison because Jones &#8220;snitched&#8221; at his trial and said he saw the guy do the shooting. This is after Pacman was heard by at least 6 people telling the guys that threw him out of the club &#8220;you won&#8217;t live to see the morning&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course he will appeal&#8212;and he will lose. But as so many morons on here suggested he CANNOT file bankruptcy to get rid of the judgment. Not all debts are dischargeable in a filing. Plus he makes too much money to file. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure his plan is to keep appealing until his career is over-hide whatever cash (and Super Bowl rings he may have)- and THEN file. Or do a Bowie Kuhn (or an OJ if you prefer) and move to Florida.</p>
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		<title>By: dsharpe8</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MONEY GRAB!!! When in doubt sue the nearest celebrity, you may strike it like the lotto... He wasn&#039;t even the shooter, nor did he tell someone else to pull the trigger for him...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MONEY GRAB!!! When in doubt sue the nearest celebrity, you may strike it like the lotto&#8230; He wasn&#8217;t even the shooter, nor did he tell someone else to pull the trigger for him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: blackstonevalleykettlebells</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pacman ordered the guy to shoot not once, twice.  He should be in jail on conspiracy to commit murder.  And the guy was shot hours after he slapped Pacman around for getting physical with a stripper.  Pay up Pacman]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pacman ordered the guy to shoot not once, twice.  He should be in jail on conspiracy to commit murder.  And the guy was shot hours after he slapped Pacman around for getting physical with a stripper.  Pay up Pacman</p>
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		<title>By: situsavaisprier</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s society these days. Always look to sue the celebrity, athlete, money tree that happens to be at the event. That&#039;s what plenty of people do these days and it&#039;s ridiculous. The way this is, they act like Pacman not only paralyzed the man, but caused a bunch of the man&#039;s family to go homeless for a decade or something. 

If you are a monet tree you have to be careful. People will try to sue you for any damn thing. Pacman could have pushed the guy for instance as a melee started with other people pushing and shoving the guy around, yet he clearly remembers when Pacman pushed him. It doesn&#039;t matter nothing happened to him. He can sue and claim psychological trauma, emotional trauma, and others in his suit. 

Wonderful how America has become. You can get rich with a reality TV show (too many people do this) or you can find a way to sue a money tree in some way. What kills me is there are quite a bit of people that can&#039;t understand this. Yes, Pacman has fault in this, but he didn&#039;t paralyze the man. The man who fired the shot had the gun the whole time. What is he doing with it? I guess people don&#039;t care about that and just worry about the money tree in this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s society these days. Always look to sue the celebrity, athlete, money tree that happens to be at the event. That&#8217;s what plenty of people do these days and it&#8217;s ridiculous. The way this is, they act like Pacman not only paralyzed the man, but caused a bunch of the man&#8217;s family to go homeless for a decade or something. </p>
<p>If you are a monet tree you have to be careful. People will try to sue you for any damn thing. Pacman could have pushed the guy for instance as a melee started with other people pushing and shoving the guy around, yet he clearly remembers when Pacman pushed him. It doesn&#8217;t matter nothing happened to him. He can sue and claim psychological trauma, emotional trauma, and others in his suit. </p>
<p>Wonderful how America has become. You can get rich with a reality TV show (too many people do this) or you can find a way to sue a money tree in some way. What kills me is there are quite a bit of people that can&#8217;t understand this. Yes, Pacman has fault in this, but he didn&#8217;t paralyze the man. The man who fired the shot had the gun the whole time. What is he doing with it? I guess people don&#8217;t care about that and just worry about the money tree in this.</p>
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		<title>By: trojan33sc</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[idealisticapathetic says: Jun 17, 2012 7:38 PM

so he has to pay 11 million dollars for not shooing anyone?

sounds fair.
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I gotta side with idealisticapathetic on this one !!  why aren&#039;t they hammering the actual &quot;shooter&quot; in this fiasco ?  oh yeah, he&#039;s BROKE !  so you gotta follow the money and make PacMan accountable for something he didn&#039;t do.  now THAT makes sense. Greedy suckubus, the guy in the wheelchair makes it sound like it&#039;s all PacMan&#039;s fault and is maliciously pursuing him.  What a joke !!!  Just after that free lunch...............]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>idealisticapathetic says: Jun 17, 2012 7:38 PM</p>
<p>so he has to pay 11 million dollars for not shooing anyone?</p>
<p>sounds fair.<br />
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I gotta side with idealisticapathetic on this one !!  why aren&#8217;t they hammering the actual &#8220;shooter&#8221; in this fiasco ?  oh yeah, he&#8217;s BROKE !  so you gotta follow the money and make PacMan accountable for something he didn&#8217;t do.  now THAT makes sense. Greedy suckubus, the guy in the wheelchair makes it sound like it&#8217;s all PacMan&#8217;s fault and is maliciously pursuing him.  What a joke !!!  Just after that free lunch&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ty46</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the jury thinks, a strip club doesn&#039;t attract bad guys, but Jones does..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the jury thinks, a strip club doesn&#8217;t attract bad guys, but Jones does..</p>
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		<title>By: mannyicey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a CIVIL suit, right? So I agree with the previous poster: File Bankruptcy protection and keep it moving. 

I mean, it&#039;s even unsecured debt. Just put Urbanski&#039;s name right along side of Citigroup Visa and file it. I mean, he&#039;ll get something in the Chapter 13, but not all of that money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a CIVIL suit, right? So I agree with the previous poster: File Bankruptcy protection and keep it moving. </p>
<p>I mean, it&#8217;s even unsecured debt. Just put Urbanski&#8217;s name right along side of Citigroup Visa and file it. I mean, he&#8217;ll get something in the Chapter 13, but not all of that money.</p>
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		<title>By: spcoltrane</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a problem with the legal system, but not the one most people think.  This was a jury trial, and juries are influenced by irrelevant factors such as the identity of the defendant - professional NFL athlete.  
There are two issues to determine in a civil action - liability and damages.  
Pacman&#039;s liability appears questionable.  Some of you may recall the riots in Vancouver last year after the Bruins beat the Canucks in the Stanley Cup final.  On the plaintiff&#039;s  reasoning in Pacman&#039;s case (apparently accepted by the jury) the Boston Bruins are liable to the store owners whose shops were burned down because they &quot;caused&quot; the riots.  
As for damages, the reports indicate Urbanski is now confined to a wheelchair for life - he was the victim of a stupid crime and should not have to live on food stamps and welfare.  However, sympathy for the victim does not mean Pacman was liable for Urbanski&#039;s injuries or that he should bear the cost of his future care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a problem with the legal system, but not the one most people think.  This was a jury trial, and juries are influenced by irrelevant factors such as the identity of the defendant &#8211; professional NFL athlete.<br />
There are two issues to determine in a civil action &#8211; liability and damages.<br />
Pacman&#8217;s liability appears questionable.  Some of you may recall the riots in Vancouver last year after the Bruins beat the Canucks in the Stanley Cup final.  On the plaintiff&#8217;s  reasoning in Pacman&#8217;s case (apparently accepted by the jury) the Boston Bruins are liable to the store owners whose shops were burned down because they &#8220;caused&#8221; the riots.<br />
As for damages, the reports indicate Urbanski is now confined to a wheelchair for life &#8211; he was the victim of a stupid crime and should not have to live on food stamps and welfare.  However, sympathy for the victim does not mean Pacman was liable for Urbanski&#8217;s injuries or that he should bear the cost of his future care.</p>
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		<title>By: jm91rs</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone wins if the appeal comes back at a reduced reasonable amount. 

While I think it&#039;s insane for him to be financially responsible for the actions of another (imagine spilling a beer on someone, that someone fights you, a big fight errupts at the bar, one of the fighters shoots someone and now you owe that somene $11 million), 11 million is a number that Pacman will never make. You can bet your life that he didn&#039;t save any of his rookie deal money and at 950k per year in the NFL he&#039;s going to have to make it another 12 seasons to pay the judgement.  So the shooting victim will get nothing when pacman declares bankruptcy.

Make it a reasonable number like $2 mil (he can live a pretty nice life in a pretty nice handicap accessible home for $2 mil), and Pacman will have no way to declare bankruptcy.  2 years salary is a heck of a punishment for pacman and the guy actually gets some money instead of judgement that will never get fulfilled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone wins if the appeal comes back at a reduced reasonable amount. </p>
<p>While I think it&#8217;s insane for him to be financially responsible for the actions of another (imagine spilling a beer on someone, that someone fights you, a big fight errupts at the bar, one of the fighters shoots someone and now you owe that somene $11 million), 11 million is a number that Pacman will never make. You can bet your life that he didn&#8217;t save any of his rookie deal money and at 950k per year in the NFL he&#8217;s going to have to make it another 12 seasons to pay the judgement.  So the shooting victim will get nothing when pacman declares bankruptcy.</p>
<p>Make it a reasonable number like $2 mil (he can live a pretty nice life in a pretty nice handicap accessible home for $2 mil), and Pacman will have no way to declare bankruptcy.  2 years salary is a heck of a punishment for pacman and the guy actually gets some money instead of judgement that will never get fulfilled.</p>
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		<title>By: cornersss</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;NOW your ex will want 50% 0f that!&quot;

I bet thats how it goes too. Shes already getting $750k for divorcing her now crippled husband. 

Like we should pay people for giving up on their spouses after their spouse lost the ability to walk. Its nutz. Her marriage could have easily ended even if he wasnt shot,being in vegas id bet on it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;NOW your ex will want 50% 0f that!&#8221;</p>
<p>I bet thats how it goes too. Shes already getting $750k for divorcing her now crippled husband. </p>
<p>Like we should pay people for giving up on their spouses after their spouse lost the ability to walk. Its nutz. Her marriage could have easily ended even if he wasnt shot,being in vegas id bet on it</p>
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		<title>By: cornersss</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;And here’s the kicker, Pacman will surely file bankruptcy and the plaintiff will no longer be his concern.&quot;

Bankruptcy doesn&#039;t make civil settlements, against a person, just disappear

I think from the very little info pft gave us this sounds like a horrible lawsuit]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And here’s the kicker, Pacman will surely file bankruptcy and the plaintiff will no longer be his concern.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bankruptcy doesn&#8217;t make civil settlements, against a person, just disappear</p>
<p>I think from the very little info pft gave us this sounds like a horrible lawsuit</p>
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		<title>By: cornersss</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 12:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pacman is a knucklehead but this makes little sense. 

Can you imagine if every employ whos job is to engage unruly folks gets hurt, and sues?! Thats your job. I dont see how tossing 1&#039;s around got you shot.

 Sounds like the courts went after the closest wallet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pacman is a knucklehead but this makes little sense. </p>
<p>Can you imagine if every employ whos job is to engage unruly folks gets hurt, and sues?! Thats your job. I dont see how tossing 1&#8242;s around got you shot.</p>
<p> Sounds like the courts went after the closest wallet.</p>
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		<title>By: mobile732</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe if the security guard who got shot was good at his job there would have never been a gun in the strip club to begin with or since he screwed that up he should have known what his job consisted of and knew the dangers it&#039;s like a boxer suing another boxer for punching to hard or a foot ball player suing for getting a concussion lol you know the dangers when signing up stop being so soft]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if the security guard who got shot was good at his job there would have never been a gun in the strip club to begin with or since he screwed that up he should have known what his job consisted of and knew the dangers it&#8217;s like a boxer suing another boxer for punching to hard or a foot ball player suing for getting a concussion lol you know the dangers when signing up stop being so soft</p>
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		<title>By: pftcensorssuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You people saying Adam Jones got a raw deal, need to do a little research before you start spouting this BS.

I just tried to find out who this &quot;shooter&quot;, who everyone suggests is in jail, was.

I couldn&#039;t come up with any name.

Go ahead and Google &quot;Who shot Tom Urbanski?&quot; and see what you come up with.

What I did find out was that Pacman Jones and Nelly showed up with an entourage and a bag full of cash. They freely &quot;showered&quot; the stage with the money.

They CLAIMED afterwards that they supposedly had an agreement with the club promotor that the money was to be returned to Jones.

Now, what kind of moron drops $80,000 on a public stage and expects to get it back, is beyond me. But let&#039;s believe this saint of a man for a moment.

A melee breaks out from Jones personally when he gats angry about the money. Jones and some of his &quot;crew&quot; need to be physically restrained, which Jones attempts to interfere with. All of this is apparently on videotape inside the club. 

Jones - in front of  several witnesses - threatens one of the bouncers that he will be killed. There is no dispute about that!

Jones and his party are expelled from the club, and the melee escalates in the parking lot. There is no duispute about this, either.

Someone - a person several people, as well as videotape inside the club, verify was with Adam Jones - steps out from behind a tree, and fires four shots into a crowd, hitting the bouncer that Jones threatened to kill, as well as a bouncer just coming to work.

Here&#039;s the reason Pacman Jones is being sued, and no one else;

1) Jones THREATENED one of the bouncers who got shot, with death.

2) The shooter was known to have been with Jones in the club

3) Jones has repeated claimed not to have known the shooter, who was WITH him.

Adam Jones CREATED the problem in the club by &quot;making it rain&quot;, and then by demanding his money back, and creating a near-riot inside the club. HE set the stage for what happened. For that, he is essentially the guy who drove the get-away car, who is just as guilty for the robbery as the guy in the bank with the gun.

Moreso, the &quot;shooter&quot; was part of Jones&#039; &quot;posse&quot;.

Most important, Jones REFUSED to identify the actual shooter, who was known to be with him.

To those who criticize Tom Urbanski, read a little bit about what that man&#039;s life is like, since the shooting. Ask yourselves one question: Would YOU change lives with Tom Urbanski if it meant having $11 million (which he wil likely never see) but be paralyzed for the rest of your life.

Would you?

I didn&#039;t think so.

Pacman Jones created this incident, he escalated it, and he protected the actual shooter, people.

How can you say he doesn&#039;t deserve this judgement????

Get educated and stop enabling jacka$$es like Pacman Jones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people saying Adam Jones got a raw deal, need to do a little research before you start spouting this BS.</p>
<p>I just tried to find out who this &#8220;shooter&#8221;, who everyone suggests is in jail, was.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t come up with any name.</p>
<p>Go ahead and Google &#8220;Who shot Tom Urbanski?&#8221; and see what you come up with.</p>
<p>What I did find out was that Pacman Jones and Nelly showed up with an entourage and a bag full of cash. They freely &#8220;showered&#8221; the stage with the money.</p>
<p>They CLAIMED afterwards that they supposedly had an agreement with the club promotor that the money was to be returned to Jones.</p>
<p>Now, what kind of moron drops $80,000 on a public stage and expects to get it back, is beyond me. But let&#8217;s believe this saint of a man for a moment.</p>
<p>A melee breaks out from Jones personally when he gats angry about the money. Jones and some of his &#8220;crew&#8221; need to be physically restrained, which Jones attempts to interfere with. All of this is apparently on videotape inside the club. </p>
<p>Jones &#8211; in front of  several witnesses &#8211; threatens one of the bouncers that he will be killed. There is no dispute about that!</p>
<p>Jones and his party are expelled from the club, and the melee escalates in the parking lot. There is no duispute about this, either.</p>
<p>Someone &#8211; a person several people, as well as videotape inside the club, verify was with Adam Jones &#8211; steps out from behind a tree, and fires four shots into a crowd, hitting the bouncer that Jones threatened to kill, as well as a bouncer just coming to work.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the reason Pacman Jones is being sued, and no one else;</p>
<p>1) Jones THREATENED one of the bouncers who got shot, with death.</p>
<p>2) The shooter was known to have been with Jones in the club</p>
<p>3) Jones has repeated claimed not to have known the shooter, who was WITH him.</p>
<p>Adam Jones CREATED the problem in the club by &#8220;making it rain&#8221;, and then by demanding his money back, and creating a near-riot inside the club. HE set the stage for what happened. For that, he is essentially the guy who drove the get-away car, who is just as guilty for the robbery as the guy in the bank with the gun.</p>
<p>Moreso, the &#8220;shooter&#8221; was part of Jones&#8217; &#8220;posse&#8221;.</p>
<p>Most important, Jones REFUSED to identify the actual shooter, who was known to be with him.</p>
<p>To those who criticize Tom Urbanski, read a little bit about what that man&#8217;s life is like, since the shooting. Ask yourselves one question: Would YOU change lives with Tom Urbanski if it meant having $11 million (which he wil likely never see) but be paralyzed for the rest of your life.</p>
<p>Would you?</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Pacman Jones created this incident, he escalated it, and he protected the actual shooter, people.</p>
<p>How can you say he doesn&#8217;t deserve this judgement????</p>
<p>Get educated and stop enabling jacka$$es like Pacman Jones.</p>
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		<title>By: trevor123698</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 08:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I may be wrong but as I understand it Pacman has no obligation to pony up with any currency over this suit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be wrong but as I understand it Pacman has no obligation to pony up with any currency over this suit.</p>
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		<title>By: discosucs2005</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the fans in Cinci support you.&quot; 

Well I don&#039;t think anyone doubted that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the fans in Cinci support you.&#8221; </p>
<p>Well I don&#8217;t think anyone doubted that.</p>
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		<title>By: arzcardinals</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Allow someone to stright jacket your arms and wire tie your legs together then sit in a wheelchair with only tour head to move.  Do this  one freaking day..just one and you&#039;ll feel what this guy does every day and he will never heal.  PAC was a part of this and has a ton of prior arrests.  He was a punk...isn&#039;t anymore...but he has to pay the price for his involvement in the crime.  Spend one day bound to a wheelchair and I&#039;ll bet u change your tune.
Freaking sick some of you are more interested in his playing career and can ignore this mans plight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow someone to stright jacket your arms and wire tie your legs together then sit in a wheelchair with only tour head to move.  Do this  one freaking day..just one and you&#8217;ll feel what this guy does every day and he will never heal.  PAC was a part of this and has a ton of prior arrests.  He was a punk&#8230;isn&#8217;t anymore&#8230;but he has to pay the price for his involvement in the crime.  Spend one day bound to a wheelchair and I&#8217;ll bet u change your tune.<br />
Freaking sick some of you are more interested in his playing career and can ignore this mans plight.</p>
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		<title>By: mwindle1973</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 05:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I&#039;m wondering is if Jones is solely responsible for the shooting even though he didn&#039;t shoot anyone is  this...what about the night club?  How are they not responsible?  Aren&#039;t they responsible for providing a safe environment for their patrons?  It seems they may have not had enough security on hand to handle the types of patrons they had.  I&#039;m wondering how this holds up on appeal.  Because it seems that the jury held Jones responsible for the entire financial responsibility.  Instead of holding him responsible for the portion that his actions caused.  Even if they believed he ordered the shooting.  Two questions...first was the shooter on Jones&#039; payroll or otherwise under his control?  Secondly the person actually pulling the trigger regardless of Jones&#039; orders, etc is responsible for shooting the people.  They must be at least partially responsible for the financial damage caused.  So how can Jones be ordered to pay for all the damages?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;m wondering is if Jones is solely responsible for the shooting even though he didn&#8217;t shoot anyone is  this&#8230;what about the night club?  How are they not responsible?  Aren&#8217;t they responsible for providing a safe environment for their patrons?  It seems they may have not had enough security on hand to handle the types of patrons they had.  I&#8217;m wondering how this holds up on appeal.  Because it seems that the jury held Jones responsible for the entire financial responsibility.  Instead of holding him responsible for the portion that his actions caused.  Even if they believed he ordered the shooting.  Two questions&#8230;first was the shooter on Jones&#8217; payroll or otherwise under his control?  Secondly the person actually pulling the trigger regardless of Jones&#8217; orders, etc is responsible for shooting the people.  They must be at least partially responsible for the financial damage caused.  So how can Jones be ordered to pay for all the damages?</p>
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		<title>By: mwindle1973</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mwindle1973]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 05:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve heard lots of breakdowns on this issue in the comments..so here&#039;s mine...his name is not Pacman.  Maybe before you pass judgement on Jones, why don&#039;t you look at some of his boyhood buddies and see how they&#039;re doing in prison or the cemetery.  Let&#039;s set aside all the money arguments and such...what has the man really done to society to be so hated.  Did he rape or murder someone?  Did he kill dogs?  Did he deal drugs?  In other words has he ever done anything directly to another individual other than minor incidents such as making it rain.  If people didn&#039;t react like a mob of idiots to a few dollars on the floor, then idiots wouldn&#039;t make it rain.  In Jones&#039; words his behavior through that period &quot;was pathetic&quot;.  If he&#039;s made the attempt to change then it really doesn&#039;t matter what people think about it then does it?  It&#039;s between him, God and the law.  I think what people are missing is there is no news about the judges full decision.  What is the apparatus by which the suing parties can collect the judgement.  That can vary by case.  In other words, in some cases you can garnish, etc.  In some cases you have no way to collect, just a judgement, but no order to pay.  It&#039;s not a great explanation, but it&#039;s complicated, and don&#039;t completely understand myself.  I just know that sometimes you have to sue someone again and get a another court to rule they have to pay on the judgement.  Often too, the party that is sued can simply bankrupt a large portion or all of the judgement.  It just depends on how much money they have in the first place.  Civil cases have a much greater chance of success with appeal than a criminal case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard lots of breakdowns on this issue in the comments..so here&#8217;s mine&#8230;his name is not Pacman.  Maybe before you pass judgement on Jones, why don&#8217;t you look at some of his boyhood buddies and see how they&#8217;re doing in prison or the cemetery.  Let&#8217;s set aside all the money arguments and such&#8230;what has the man really done to society to be so hated.  Did he rape or murder someone?  Did he kill dogs?  Did he deal drugs?  In other words has he ever done anything directly to another individual other than minor incidents such as making it rain.  If people didn&#8217;t react like a mob of idiots to a few dollars on the floor, then idiots wouldn&#8217;t make it rain.  In Jones&#8217; words his behavior through that period &#8220;was pathetic&#8221;.  If he&#8217;s made the attempt to change then it really doesn&#8217;t matter what people think about it then does it?  It&#8217;s between him, God and the law.  I think what people are missing is there is no news about the judges full decision.  What is the apparatus by which the suing parties can collect the judgement.  That can vary by case.  In other words, in some cases you can garnish, etc.  In some cases you have no way to collect, just a judgement, but no order to pay.  It&#8217;s not a great explanation, but it&#8217;s complicated, and don&#8217;t completely understand myself.  I just know that sometimes you have to sue someone again and get a another court to rule they have to pay on the judgement.  Often too, the party that is sued can simply bankrupt a large portion or all of the judgement.  It just depends on how much money they have in the first place.  Civil cases have a much greater chance of success with appeal than a criminal case.</p>
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		<title>By: jessethegreat</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 05:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel bad for the guy... he likely will never be able to get it up again without major help, but 11 million? 

Forget that Pac.... Get cut. Get a minimum wage job at McDonalds or something. You still gotta be able to support your family, so they can&#039;t take everything. Let them take 50% of your McDonalds job and support your family on your NFL pension. 

There&#039;s no way in hell I&#039;d bust my arse risking concussions and everything else while watching some greedy pig that was just in the wrong place at the wrong time cash my hard earned checks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel bad for the guy&#8230; he likely will never be able to get it up again without major help, but 11 million? </p>
<p>Forget that Pac&#8230;. Get cut. Get a minimum wage job at McDonalds or something. You still gotta be able to support your family, so they can&#8217;t take everything. Let them take 50% of your McDonalds job and support your family on your NFL pension. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way in hell I&#8217;d bust my arse risking concussions and everything else while watching some greedy pig that was just in the wrong place at the wrong time cash my hard earned checks.</p>
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		<title>By: rtk23</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 05:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like this paralyzation couldn&#039;t have happened to a more swell fellow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like this paralyzation couldn&#8217;t have happened to a more swell fellow.</p>
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		<title>By: biggestredmiami</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[biggestredmiami]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 05:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honestly, Pacman may be one of the biggest, if not the biggest, clowns in NFL history, but this is WAY TOO HARSH. 1) He didn&#039;t shoot anybody. 2) There is no evidence that he told anyone to shoot the guy. 3) how much money would have been rewarded if it weren&#039;t Pacman Jones? 4) I feel absolutely terrible for the victim because I couldn&#039;t imagine losing my legs, but you are maliciously going after the wrong guy for the wrong reason.

Pacman was finally on the path to getting his life on track, this is going to cause him to do something stupid to get the money. Really just a terrible situation and I can&#039;t tell you how bad I actually feel for Pacman. He didn&#039;t even paralyze the guy!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, Pacman may be one of the biggest, if not the biggest, clowns in NFL history, but this is WAY TOO HARSH. 1) He didn&#8217;t shoot anybody. 2) There is no evidence that he told anyone to shoot the guy. 3) how much money would have been rewarded if it weren&#8217;t Pacman Jones? 4) I feel absolutely terrible for the victim because I couldn&#8217;t imagine losing my legs, but you are maliciously going after the wrong guy for the wrong reason.</p>
<p>Pacman was finally on the path to getting his life on track, this is going to cause him to do something stupid to get the money. Really just a terrible situation and I can&#8217;t tell you how bad I actually feel for Pacman. He didn&#8217;t even paralyze the guy!!!</p>
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		<title>By: upperdecker19</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[upperdecker19]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Change your name to Asteroids or Space Invaders, and hope the plantiff never finds you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change your name to Asteroids or Space Invaders, and hope the plantiff never finds you.</p>
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		<title>By: kilo0986</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kilo0986]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lol, damn.]]></description>
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		<title>By: thatboybaked</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thatboybaked]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[QUOTE -----&gt;  &quot;Pacman CAUSED the situation that resulted in one death and another guy being paralyzed.

He SHOULD lose everything he has.

It doesn’t matter if he was the shooter or not, if he had not wanted to be so damn “cool” and “make it rain”, none of this would ever have happened.

Therefore, at least in my eyes, Pacman IS responsible and a jury of his/my peers agree with me.&quot;

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Do you realize how absolutely retarded your logic is?  That is like saying a girl deserves to get raped because she is hot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QUOTE &#8212;&#8211;&gt;  &#8220;Pacman CAUSED the situation that resulted in one death and another guy being paralyzed.</p>
<p>He SHOULD lose everything he has.</p>
<p>It doesn’t matter if he was the shooter or not, if he had not wanted to be so damn “cool” and “make it rain”, none of this would ever have happened.</p>
<p>Therefore, at least in my eyes, Pacman IS responsible and a jury of his/my peers agree with me.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Do you realize how absolutely retarded your logic is?  That is like saying a girl deserves to get raped because she is hot.</p>
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		<title>By: brewcrewfan54</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brewcrewfan54]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 04:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you&#039;re a bouncer at a strip club anywhere don&#039;t you assume some risk that you may get injured?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you&#8217;re a bouncer at a strip club anywhere don&#8217;t you assume some risk that you may get injured?</p>
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		<title>By: beerbudsnbevo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beerbudsnbevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“SMH our legal system is a joke now a days”

Yes, PLEASE enlighten us as to the breadth of your legal knowledge. All we need now is one of those sarcastic Gene Wilder meme photos.

Cops, lawyers and firemen – all you couch jockeys want to bash them every chance you get, in the big bad comments sections, but when you need one you can’t dial fast enough. Next time you need help, call a crackhead and see where it gets you.

Watching an episode of Judge Judy doesn’t make you a legal scholar, sonny.

**************

Yeah...and now we all know Grudenthediva has a  paralegal for a roomate....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“SMH our legal system is a joke now a days”</p>
<p>Yes, PLEASE enlighten us as to the breadth of your legal knowledge. All we need now is one of those sarcastic Gene Wilder meme photos.</p>
<p>Cops, lawyers and firemen – all you couch jockeys want to bash them every chance you get, in the big bad comments sections, but when you need one you can’t dial fast enough. Next time you need help, call a crackhead and see where it gets you.</p>
<p>Watching an episode of Judge Judy doesn’t make you a legal scholar, sonny.</p>
<p>**************</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230;and now we all know Grudenthediva has a  paralegal for a roomate&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: beerbudsnbevo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beerbudsnbevo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, all he has to play for now is pride....

Oh yeah, almost forgot....

He lost any little bit of pride he had when he tried to take his $1 dollar bills back from the strippers, when he made it rain up in the club....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, all he has to play for now is pride&#8230;.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, almost forgot&#8230;.</p>
<p>He lost any little bit of pride he had when he tried to take his $1 dollar bills back from the strippers, when he made it rain up in the club&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: nopepper123</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nopepper123]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 03:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think everyone is missing the boat to the biggest question of all here..........

Will Pac Man return any punts this year for TD&#039;s?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone is missing the boat to the biggest question of all here&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Will Pac Man return any punts this year for TD&#8217;s?</p>
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