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Concern in Philly that Eagles won’t let Vick do what he does best

Michael Vick,  Calais Campbell AP

After a 2011 season in which Eagles quarterback Michael Vick had 10 fumbles and a career-high 14 interceptions, the coaching staff has talked about telling Vick not to try to do too much. But is there a risk that taking that approach with Vick, who’s at his best when he’s trying to do things that other quarterbacks can’t do, will backfire?

That’s a question raised this offseason by some Eagles observers, including Bob Ford of the Philadelphia Inquirer, who writes, “If the Eagles turn Vick into some version of himself with all the edges padded, he might just stink.”

The threat Vick poses as a runner makes him a unique player in NFL history — he’s the league’s all-time leader in yards per carry, with 7.2 yards per rushing attempt. An offensive emphasis on Vick playing within the system might result in Vick being less effective.

Eagles head coach Andy Reid, offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg and quarterbacks coach Doug Pederson have already tried to emphasize pocket passing over taking off and running with Vick, and in 2011 Vick started to take those coaching points to heart: In his second season as the Eagles’ starter last year, his passing attempts increased from 372 to 423 while his rushing attempts declined from 100 to 76. But that didn’t work particularly well, as both Vick’s individual numbers and the Eagles’ offense as a whole declined.

Mornhinweg, however, believes that what Vick did last year represented progress.

“I know this . . . he progressed beautifully last year,” Mornhinweg said. “The results didn’t quite show like he wanted or I wanted or the organization or fans wanted it. But he’s much further ahead playing the quarterback position at a high level now than he was at any time in the past.”

That may be true, if your idea of “playing the quarterback position at a high level” means staying in the pocket and reading through your progressions. But if what you want is a pocket passer, Michael Vick is not the right man for the job.

The good news for the Eagles is that they got a preview of what Vick as a pocket passer will look like in the final four games of the regular season: After Vick missed three straight games with broken ribs, he returned and looked more cautious in the final four games of the season. Vick ran only 11 times in the last four games of the year, and the Eagles went 4-0 in those games.

If Vick can lead the Eagles to more wins while staying in the pocket, good for him and good for the Eagles. But if the Eagles struggle while Vick is staying in the pocket early this season, the coaching staff will have no choice but to unleash Vick to do what he does best. Otherwise, some other staff will be coaching Michael Vick a year from now.

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55 Responses to “Concern in Philly that Eagles won’t let Vick do what he does best”
  1. joetoronto says: Jun 18, 2012 11:03 AM

    It’s irrelevant, he’ll stink no matter what.

  2. infectorman says: Jun 18, 2012 11:03 AM

    The result of Vick being Vick is injuries, time and time again…
    Another year older and more brittle, he may not make it through 16 game schedule again, if he doesn’t smarten up and become less of a running QB…

  3. tombradyallday says: Jun 18, 2012 11:04 AM

    bad move, then teams will only prepare for the pass hes a two dimesnion qb

  4. gmen4life33 says: Jun 18, 2012 11:13 AM

    Philly would be smart if they gave CLE a 6th or 7th for Mccoy. Kafhka or whatever isnt the answer as the backup/future QB. and Mccoy has won some tough games with the CLE Browns roster, which is impressive.

    Hopefully the Eagles dont, but it would be smart if they did

  5. erod22 says: Jun 18, 2012 11:21 AM

    He waits for receivers to cut before he throws the ball because he thinks too slow to let it go before they come out of their breaks.

    That’s why he gets hit so much.

    You can’t fix stupid.

  6. greymares says: Jun 18, 2012 11:23 AM

    There will not be a new coach in philly unless Andy chooses to step down and that’s not happening.

  7. eaglesw00t says: Jun 18, 2012 11:23 AM

    Last I checked, Vick is on the field and Andy and Roseman arent.

    How are they not going to let him do anything? It isnt like they are going to pull him and put in Mike Kafka…

  8. CKL says: Jun 18, 2012 11:31 AM

    The Eagles coaching staff has improved him a bit but they can do only so much. Guy’s always been turnover prone. He holds the ball like a loaf of bread when he’s running most of the time.

  9. buddybowl69 says: Jun 18, 2012 11:33 AM

    Still better than Romo or RGLeaf.

  10. fordmandalay says: Jun 18, 2012 11:34 AM

    Letting Vick be Vick hasn’t exactly been a winning strategy over the years. How many playoff games and championships has he won again?

  11. burgundyandgold says: Jun 18, 2012 11:36 AM

    Tic tock tic tock. That is the sound of time running out on the Eagles. Who will be the QB in 2013? It sure want be Vick. Kafka? The kid they drafted this year? Those 12 Lombardi Trophy’s owned by the rest of the NFC East will surly grow some more before the Eagles get their first. I cannot wait until we see the Comish have to hand Dan Snyder the Lombardi in a couple years while the Eagles are rebuilding. HTTR.

  12. captainwisdom8888 says: Jun 18, 2012 11:37 AM

    Tell me how, when the ball is snapped and the play unfolds, that anyone on the Eagle’s sidelines “won’t let” Vick do what he does best? It’s just silly. Yeahhh they can all talk to Vick behind the scenes and urge him to do this…or not to do that…but when that ball is hiked there’s only 1 way Vick knows how to play.

    I didn’t see Vick “progress beautifully” last year, I saw #7 get away from what he does best…

  13. realdealsteel says: Jun 18, 2012 11:43 AM

    The Eagles are right in limiting what he does..let me tell you why.

    1. The way he;s been playing causes him to be severly banged up by season’s end.

    2. The way he’s been holding on to the ball too long exposes him and him not having real pocket presence magnifies that!

    3. He looks for the big play too much and doesn’t use his tight ends the way other big time QB’s do.

    You fix those three things and Vick can be a 60% passer and still be upright by season’s end.

    Remember…Vick has only passed for over 60% ONE TIME in his career and that was two years ago when he took the job from Kolb.

    And if you check, all the winning SB quarterbacks have a completion rate of 60% and above.

  14. dryzzt23 says: Jun 18, 2012 11:46 AM

    Vick has been the most OVERRATED QB in the NFL since 2001.

    - He’s passed for over 60% completion rate just ONCE in 9 years
    - He’s reached 3,000 yards passing just TWICE (just barely both times)
    - He’s passed for 20+ TDs just TWICE (again just barely. 2006 he threw for 20 TDs, in 2010 it was 21 – a career high)

    He has just 10 fourth quarter comebacks, and just 11 game-winning drives

    He led the Falcons to the playoffs just twice and the Eagles twice.
    He led the Falcons to an NFC Championship Game but that season it was the defense that spurred their winning ways, not Vick but he gets all the credit.

    He is NOT a top 20 QB in the NFL. He’s not even top 25 IMO.

  15. cooklynn17 says: Jun 18, 2012 11:50 AM

    buddybowl69 says: Jun 18, 2012 11:33 AM

    Still better than Romo or RGLeaf.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Giants fan here, and lets be honest, this guy is not even close to being better than Tony Promo idiot. As a matter of fact Randall Cunningham was and probably still is better than Vick.

    Vick = a ton of hype with few results.

  16. sportsmeccabi says: Jun 18, 2012 11:50 AM

    Considering turnovers is what he does best, I would limit that too.

  17. jakek2 says: Jun 18, 2012 11:51 AM

    The guy is north of 30 and won’t be running 4.3 forever. Beat it into him that he needs to start sliding more, stand back and let him do his thing. This coming from a Giants’ fan that would love nothing more if the Eagles tried to make him a pocket passer.

  18. nyfcat says: Jun 18, 2012 11:52 AM

    “Vick being Vick” results in injuries and turnovers.
    What happens in 3 years when Vick is 35?

  19. trojan33sc says: Jun 18, 2012 11:55 AM

    Offensive line needs to “tighten up” so the defense doesn’t have a jailbreak through the line. It’s called “pass protection”, so the play can develop.

  20. bosspower says: Jun 18, 2012 12:05 PM

    A stationary Vick is Just wat That Giants Pass Rush need right there. Tell him to stay in that Pocket Andy LOL!!!!! Can’t wait to lay the wood on him. Keep him in game tho bcuz if Kafka comes in our energy level goes down and he could win the game. Keep Vick in there so The Giants can Tee off on the New Stationary Michael Vick.

  21. shackdelrio says: Jun 18, 2012 12:12 PM

    The more he runs, the more he gets hurt.

  22. griblets says: Jun 18, 2012 12:14 PM

    infectorman says:
    Jun 18, 2012 11:03 AM
    The result of Vick being Vick is injuries, time and time again…
    Another year older and more brittle, he may not make it through 16 game schedule again, if he doesn’t smarten up and become less of a running QB…

    ————————————————–

    Did you watch the same games I did last year? Seemed like all of his injuries occurred while in the pocket. Using his legs is his protection.

  23. sj39 says: Jun 18, 2012 12:31 PM

    Does best? What, they won’t let him torture dogs?

  24. elmaxoh says: Jun 18, 2012 12:34 PM

    Vick is who he is. You can say he doesn’t has great passing stats or whatever but he has the RECORD OF RUSHING YARDS FOR A QB and he’s the league’s all-time leader in yards per carry, with 7.2 yards per rushing attempt. He’s a scrambling kind of QB not a passing QB.

  25. oldbyrd says: Jun 18, 2012 12:56 PM

    Actually this is the correct track. This way when Vic has to run it will be much more effective. If he follows the prescribed pattern, opponents will have a hard time preparing for him. He must learn to slide and take what he can get safely. I like this. Think about how good the Birds could be if it works.

  26. tennesseeoilers says: Jun 18, 2012 12:57 PM

    I’m a big fan of passing QBs who can also kill you with their feet. It’s about being smart, knowing when, not coaching a mobile QB to avoid taking off. That said, I’m not sure Vick has the discernment of “when” like Randall Cunningham, Steve Young, and Steve McNair did. As a Titans fan, given that Jake Locker had the same exact forty time at the combine as McNair and Cam Newton, and that Jake’s almost as tough as McNair, I have the same hopes for him.

  27. b1rdbath says: Jun 18, 2012 12:57 PM

    All of his 2011 injuries did occur in the pocket, when he was attempting to be a “pure” pocket passer. If you take away a man’s best talent how does that serve the team well? What the Eagles need to do in 2012 is just be unpredictable. If I am sitting on my couch and call out every single play Morhinwig calls b4 it happens, then a DC is definitely going to know what’s coming. I wish OC was replace3d this year…..I can’t stand morhinwig.

  28. nard100 says: Jun 18, 2012 1:04 PM

    Letting Vick do what he does best…hmmm. What Vick does best is:

    1. Get dumped on the turf
    .2 Throw INT’s

    yeah, I could see how they wouldn’t want him to do what he does best.

  29. foul83 says: Jun 18, 2012 1:06 PM

    Vick and DeSean are overpaid.

  30. Stiller43 says: Jun 18, 2012 1:15 PM

    Good thing they just gave him that $100M contract

  31. therealtrenches says: Jun 18, 2012 1:16 PM

    The eagles coaches are damned either way: let him run and they’re guilty of risking injury and sabotaging the season. Turn him into a pocket passer and they’re guilty of not exploiting his strengths. Enough! They’ve done a good job of resurrecting the career of a guy that most everyone had left for dead. They’ve made over his attitude, his work habits, and have curtailed his run-first instincts. Any qb’s numbers will go down when they’re playing behind a poor o-line, and being put back on the field quickly bc of a sieve-like defense. At this stage, they’re fine tuning his game.

  32. EJ says: Jun 18, 2012 1:17 PM

    Micheal Vick is past his prime as a scrambling QB, his body is not as solid as it once was. That is why the Eagles are trying to turn Vick into a Pure Pocket Passer. If Vick can get used to staying in the pocket, use his Tight Ends and get better with screens, he’ll be able to take Philly farther than the years past. IMO, I believe he can do it, he just needs help from his team. Vick is overrated, but is still a capable Quarterback.

  33. karlsummers says: Jun 18, 2012 1:28 PM

    Vick went to prison for ‘doing what he does best’. Are you sure this is a good idea?

  34. bigkeev124 says: Jun 18, 2012 1:30 PM

    Everyone has stats upon stats, like when he was a Falcon QB who was aloud to run and in a running offense that led the league in rushing. So passing for 3 grand or throwing an enormous amount of TDs didnt matter. Ahh now he is with a coach who has groomed QBs to look better inhis system and Andy has now gotten his 1st offseason with Vick as his starting QB. Oh yea he took over for Kolb and was number 2 in MVP voting. Got hit alot last year in the pocket where oh yea he got hurt do to a hit from behind in the pocket. Most QBs who get hit like that get hurt not to mention he was sandwiched between players. Overrated by whom, no one over rates him like Tony Romo, oh how many playoff wins does he have. Or how many does Phillip Rivers have, Jay Cutler or any Redskins QB in the last 20 years, i mean I could go on since you all are about stats. Vick is fine and will be fine. Most of yalls posted stats were as a Falcon QB and not an Eagle and since with the Eagles he has taken the starting job, become a better QB, enjoyed a good year and endureed a bad one and you all are such great judges. If your QB is Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning or Rothlesberger then can understand but no one elses QB has a SB since Vick has become an Eagle..

  35. tombrookshire says: Jun 18, 2012 1:34 PM

    There is also a concern in Philly that as long as Vick is the QB, that he should play all 16 games, which he has done only once in his career. He is reckless, and at this stage of his life, injury-prone. Being hard-headed about playing with a reckless style isn’t going to add years to his career or to his Eagles contract. If he spends extended time on the sidelines again this season due to unnecessary injuries caused by holding the ball too long, sacks or failing to slide, broken ribs or limbs, he’ll be outta here by next year. Bank on it.

  36. kingcarlbanks says: Jun 18, 2012 1:38 PM

    Looks like Andy is trying to turn Vick into a left handed McNabb!

  37. bigkeev124 says: Jun 18, 2012 1:43 PM

    eagles didnt lead the league in sacks given up he threw the most interceptions of his career 14 which is no where near worse than other QBs in NYC both teams, Tampa, Chicago, Jacksonville, Miami, Seattle, Sand Diego, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Detroit, Oakland and Tennisee to name a few that threw more INTs. 15th in TD passes
    14th in passer rating

    Who cares, Turnovers happen and did for many reasons not all Vicks fault and the defense faltered to stop the run all year until late in the season. You dont want to like Vick fine do so, but dont do it like he doesnt have the respect of his peers he plays against that know if he is on that field healthy is one of the most dangerous QBs out there. There is only 5 to 7 teams that can claim better. We lost to the best team in Green bay in 2010 playoffs and dealt with new pieces all over the team in 2011. Much better team coming out this year and it will show.

  38. dogluverssuck says: Jun 18, 2012 1:45 PM

    Letting Vick be Vick hasn’t exactly been a winning strategy over the years. How many playoff games and championships has he won again

    _______________________________

    2 more than his replacement in Atlanta,, and still is the last Falcon qb to win in the playoffs.

  39. bleedgreenaz says: Jun 18, 2012 1:54 PM

    burgundyandgold says: Jun 18, 2012 11:36 AM

    Tic tock tic tock. That is the sound of time running out on the Eagles. Who will be the QB in 2013? It sure want be Vick. Kafka? The kid they drafted this year? Those 12 Lombardi Trophy’s owned by the rest of the NFC East will surly grow some more before the Eagles get their first. I cannot wait until we see the Comish have to hand Dan Snyder the Lombardi in a couple years while the Eagles are rebuilding. HTTR
    ___________________________________

    It’s amazing how you idiots always make sure to use the words “Super Bowl” or “Lombardi’s”, instead of “Championships”. Correct me if I’m wrong but the NFL was around long before they called it the “Super Bowl”. And correct me again if I’m wrong, but the Philadelphia Eagles won some of those.

    BUT Please, keep using the “Super Bowl” as an excuse to exclude Philadelphia from a list of teams that your idiotic mind can support. Loser! If you’re gonna speak out, at least be honest.

  40. eaglesnoles05 says: Jun 18, 2012 2:01 PM

    Lol. You can coach him to not run and extend plays all you want- he will do exactly what he wants and what he thinks he can to win the game and make the play when he is on the field in gametime- and he will make amazing plays and stupid ones. And that’s a double edged sword too, but that’s the way it’s gonna be. Accept it and play enough D so that a top tier production offense can win games, or get a new QB.

  41. lajmahal says: Jun 18, 2012 2:37 PM

    Vick is a fun guy to have as a QB. However, he’s not a pocket QB!

    The Eagles need to design roll outs where he has it in his head that he will run if it’s open. If nothing is there, he’s it out of the pocket to throw it away or run out of bounds.

    Rolling him out will save him more than it will hurt him.

  42. mancave001 says: Jun 18, 2012 2:43 PM

    gmen4life33 says:
    Jun 18, 2012 11:13 AM
    Philly would be smart if they gave CLE a 6th or 7th for Mccoy. Kafhka or whatever isnt the answer as the backup/future QB. and Mccoy has won some tough games with the CLE Browns roster, which is impressive.

    Hopefully the Eagles dont, but it would be smart if they did
    ————————–

    That would be insanely stupid. McCoy isn’t a starting QB. We have no need for him…nor does anyone else, apparently.

  43. mancave001 says: Jun 18, 2012 2:50 PM

    Back on topic: I’m worried about the same thing as Bob For is. The Eagles are fantastic at developing QBs. The problem is that they try to make them all into pocket passers. From my perspective, they did the same thing with McNabb. McNabb made mistakes and bad decisions earlier in his career, but his mobility made him really special. They really started keeping him the pocket later, which hurt him (of course, McNabb was also determined not be “a typical black QB”).

    This could happen with Vick. It’s a tricky balance. In 2010, he ran around like a madmen, but also kept his head up and went through his progressions. You could see he had been coached, or “refined” so to speak. But last year, he went too far, holding the ball too long, etc. I hope that they don’t hold him back too much this year.

  44. TeamBalco says: Jun 18, 2012 3:01 PM

    Blah, blah, blah. Vick will stay in the pocket until it collapses, then he’ll scramble to make plays. Thats what his internal clock says to do. Who in there right mind wants to take a hit from a 300 lineman in the pocket? Why be a sitting duck, when you can put the defense on their heels with both run and pass options.

  45. tebownextmarino says: Jun 18, 2012 3:41 PM

    He’s not even that good he cant play a full season he cant complete a pass hes a bum he’s at his best when he’s in trouble with the law

  46. deathmonkey41 says: Jun 18, 2012 3:56 PM

    In other news, Andy Reid is fatter today than he was yesterday. Just FYI-this statement will hold true no matter when you read it.

  47. o0omorriso0o says: Jun 18, 2012 4:21 PM

    You Vick haters get more and more stupid every post. Saying Vick can’t do this or can’t do that. You guys will look very stupid after the 2012 season…

  48. giantsfan2104 says: Jun 18, 2012 4:25 PM

    bleedgreenaz says:
    Jun 18, 2012 1:54 PM

    It’s amazing how you idiots always make sure to use the words “Super Bowl” or “Lombardi’s”, instead of “Championships”. Correct me if I’m wrong but the NFL was around long before they called it the “Super Bowl”. And correct me again if I’m wrong, but the Philadelphia Eagles won some of those.

    BUT Please, keep using the “Super Bowl” as an excuse to exclude Philadelphia from a list of teams that your idiotic mind can support. Loser! If you’re gonna speak out, at least be honest.

    =================================

    How about this? The Eagles haven’t won a “championship” since 1960.

    After the “Miracle at the Meadowlands: Part 2:” Eagles fans told us (via OUR Facebook page) to stop gloating about Super Bowl 42, and that we needed to live in the present, yet you guys insist on bragging about a championship you won 50 years ago.

  49. goodellsadouche says: Jun 18, 2012 4:29 PM

    What he does best is turn the ball over and deflect blame.

  50. stan97 says: Jun 18, 2012 4:38 PM

    They can’t even get him to slide, how are they going to get him to do anything else?

  51. angrycorgi says: Jun 18, 2012 4:44 PM

    “Concern in Philly that Eagles won’t let Vick do what he does best”

    So he’s not going to be allowed to drown dogs anymore?? That’s not fair.

  52. angrycorgi says: Jun 18, 2012 4:48 PM

    o0omorriso0o says:
    Jun 18, 2012 4:21 PM

    You Vick haters get more and more stupid every post. Saying Vick can’t do this or can’t do that. You guys will look very stupid after the 2012 season…

    ——

    Man…If I had nickel for everytime an iggles fan promised that someone would look stupid after the upcoming uber-dominant iggles season and it didn’t come true……

  53. fmwarner says: Jun 18, 2012 9:21 PM

    o0omorriso0o says: Jun 18, 2012 4:21 PM

    You Vick haters get more and more stupid every post. Saying Vick can’t do this or can’t do that. You guys will look very stupid after the 2012 season…
    ====================================

    There’s no need to wait, they look very stupid now.

    There is no way you can twist the numbers around and see Vick as anything less than a solidly above-average starting QB. People who call him “terrible” or the like are judging him based on his misdeeds or his personal life, not his quarterback play. Sure, he hasn’t won a Super Bowl. I guess Dan Marino sucks too.

  54. bleed4philly says: Jun 18, 2012 10:38 PM

    Just play keep away Mike, you got this!

  55. kevsright says: Jun 23, 2012 10:03 AM

    Gutless comment removers..

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