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	<title>Comments on: Ginsberg chastises Goodell for distortion of evidence, demands reversal of suspension</title>
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		<title>By: patsaintsbroncoscheat</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 19:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ginsburg is an idiot. The Saints got what they deserved. If anything the punishment is a little light.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginsburg is an idiot. The Saints got what they deserved. If anything the punishment is a little light.</p>
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		<title>By: bigjdve</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks like Ginsburg is trying to play this like it is a Courtroom. However, right now it isn&#039;t. Later in the summer it will be and his argument might work better. 

However for right now, to quote Vilma&quot; Goodell is the judge, jury, and executioner&quot;. So yelling at him, calling him names, and giving him orders is a really great way to get him to change his mind. 

Maybe he should&#039;ve tried pleading his case, you know like they do in courtrooms in order to get the suspension reduced or reversed. 

Wait until your court date to rant and rave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like Ginsburg is trying to play this like it is a Courtroom. However, right now it isn&#8217;t. Later in the summer it will be and his argument might work better. </p>
<p>However for right now, to quote Vilma&#8221; Goodell is the judge, jury, and executioner&#8221;. So yelling at him, calling him names, and giving him orders is a really great way to get him to change his mind. </p>
<p>Maybe he should&#8217;ve tried pleading his case, you know like they do in courtrooms in order to get the suspension reduced or reversed. </p>
<p>Wait until your court date to rant and rave.</p>
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		<title>By: bigmalice</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[stealthjunk says:
Jun 18, 2012 6:38 PM
Yawn. Ironic that Mr. Ginsberg presented zero evidence that his client was not involved, yet complains that Goodell did the same thing. It’s easy to complain about the process when you have nothing good to say about the merits of the case.

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Bro....um.... you cant prove a negative. Burden of evidence is on the accuser. Cmon. youre smarter than that]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stealthjunk says:<br />
Jun 18, 2012 6:38 PM<br />
Yawn. Ironic that Mr. Ginsberg presented zero evidence that his client was not involved, yet complains that Goodell did the same thing. It’s easy to complain about the process when you have nothing good to say about the merits of the case.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Bro&#8230;.um&#8230;. you cant prove a negative. Burden of evidence is on the accuser. Cmon. youre smarter than that</p>
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		<title>By: gavriloprincip33</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Loose Changeup says: 
Jun 18, 2012 7:35 PM 
thankheavenfornumberseven says: Jun 18, 2012 6:36 PM
Why would Gregg Williams admit to the bounty program if it didn’t happen?
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Coercion. His career was in the hands of Judge, Jury, and Executioner Goodell, and he had the choice to say what Goodell wanted to hear, or he’d never work again.

++++++++++

@ Loose Changeup

I find plenty to agree with in your post.  That said, if Gregg Williams had an ounce of integrity he would have told the truth about everything and worried about his employment later...

We know what he did though, don&#039;t we?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loose Changeup says:<br />
Jun 18, 2012 7:35 PM<br />
thankheavenfornumberseven says: Jun 18, 2012 6:36 PM<br />
Why would Gregg Williams admit to the bounty program if it didn’t happen?<br />
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Coercion. His career was in the hands of Judge, Jury, and Executioner Goodell, and he had the choice to say what Goodell wanted to hear, or he’d never work again.</p>
<p>++++++++++</p>
<p>@ Loose Changeup</p>
<p>I find plenty to agree with in your post.  That said, if Gregg Williams had an ounce of integrity he would have told the truth about everything and worried about his employment later&#8230;</p>
<p>We know what he did though, don&#8217;t we?</p>
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		<title>By: mnlittle</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 04:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jerry Jones and little Danny Snyder need to hire this guy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry Jones and little Danny Snyder need to hire this guy!</p>
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		<title>By: packersbound</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MUST FIRE GODDELL at NFL Headquarter Office on Park Ave!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MUST FIRE GODDELL at NFL Headquarter Office on Park Ave!!</p>
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		<title>By: 1122world</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 02:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goodell is being kind to them. 
And Ginsberg the snake I&#039;d betting on the fact that Goodell won&#039;t give up his sources so the viper is ridding him. 
But not for long .... 
Scum]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodell is being kind to them.<br />
And Ginsberg the snake I&#8217;d betting on the fact that Goodell won&#8217;t give up his sources so the viper is ridding him.<br />
But not for long &#8230;.<br />
Scum</p>
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		<title>By: omniscient48</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 02:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought this was going to be an article about Ruth Bader Ginsburg.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was going to be an article about Ruth Bader Ginsburg.</p>
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		<title>By: j0esixpack</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 02:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ginsberg assessment of Goodell at the very least is spot on.

In Spygate Goodell catered to the most ignorant fans to make the placement of a signal filming camera (on the sidelines, rather than the stands) akin to the most egregious form of cheating in sports.

Clueless idiotic fans bought it hook line and sinker and still do today.

I wouldn&#039;t put it past him to sacrifice players and an organization&#039;s reputation to cover up a deeper problem - including the fact that his own injury reporting policy directly contributed to placing player safety at risk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginsberg assessment of Goodell at the very least is spot on.</p>
<p>In Spygate Goodell catered to the most ignorant fans to make the placement of a signal filming camera (on the sidelines, rather than the stands) akin to the most egregious form of cheating in sports.</p>
<p>Clueless idiotic fans bought it hook line and sinker and still do today.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t put it past him to sacrifice players and an organization&#8217;s reputation to cover up a deeper problem &#8211; including the fact that his own injury reporting policy directly contributed to placing player safety at risk.</p>
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		<title>By: bryans49ers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 02:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its time for the search for a new commissioner to begin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its time for the search for a new commissioner to begin.</p>
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		<title>By: SmurfJuice</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My main question is, what did New Orleans do to piss Roger off?

Everything that has been presented seems to be stuff that happens in every locker room, then fluffed up. Personally, I don&#039;t have an opinion on who is right, and I don&#039;t really care if the suspensions stand or not. 

The most damage to &quot;The Shield&quot; isn&#039;t the players being spoiled athletes, it&#039;s Roger not handling the situations properly. Goodell doesn&#039;t know how to call a guy, ask about the wife and kids, and then question them about these problems. He prefers to build his offense in an underground lair, and unleash it in the media. Paul Tagliabue would have never done these things so publicly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main question is, what did New Orleans do to piss Roger off?</p>
<p>Everything that has been presented seems to be stuff that happens in every locker room, then fluffed up. Personally, I don&#8217;t have an opinion on who is right, and I don&#8217;t really care if the suspensions stand or not. </p>
<p>The most damage to &#8220;The Shield&#8221; isn&#8217;t the players being spoiled athletes, it&#8217;s Roger not handling the situations properly. Goodell doesn&#8217;t know how to call a guy, ask about the wife and kids, and then question them about these problems. He prefers to build his offense in an underground lair, and unleash it in the media. Paul Tagliabue would have never done these things so publicly.</p>
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		<title>By: joyriderideem</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 01:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kill the head is motivational... saints apologists are quick to skip past &quot;take out his acl and he becomes human&quot;...what is that motivating players to do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kill the head is motivational&#8230; saints apologists are quick to skip past &#8220;take out his acl and he becomes human&#8221;&#8230;what is that motivating players to do?</p>
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		<title>By: donchathinkso</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[donchathinkso]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Scott says: Do you Saints players supporters even know what a commissioner is there for? He’s there to decide what is best for the league. &lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s the crux of the problem- is suspending Vilma for an entire year really &quot;good for the league&quot;?

Did Goodell really make the world a better place by suspending Terrell Pryor for five games? 

Sometimes a police officer has to use force, we all know that. But the last thing any community wants is a cop that LIKES to use force. And Goodell has demonstrated that he LIKES to suspend players.

That&#039;s why, as a fan, I dislike Goodell. It&#039;s not about the &quot;good of the game&quot; with him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Scott says: Do you Saints players supporters even know what a commissioner is there for? He’s there to decide what is best for the league. </i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s the crux of the problem- is suspending Vilma for an entire year really &#8220;good for the league&#8221;?</p>
<p>Did Goodell really make the world a better place by suspending Terrell Pryor for five games? </p>
<p>Sometimes a police officer has to use force, we all know that. But the last thing any community wants is a cop that LIKES to use force. And Goodell has demonstrated that he LIKES to suspend players.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why, as a fan, I dislike Goodell. It&#8217;s not about the &#8220;good of the game&#8221; with him.</p>
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		<title>By: palinforpresidentofnorthkorea</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well played, Sir!  Post of the year!
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efriedo says: Jun 18, 2012 7:20 PM

Obviously the term “Cart-Offs” means removing the hot dog cart from the locker room before the game. The player that does this gets $5000.

Even more obvious is that the term “Kill the head” refers to cleaning the bathroom after the game. The player that does that gets $10,000. Everyone knows that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well played, Sir!  Post of the year!<br />
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<p>efriedo says: Jun 18, 2012 7:20 PM</p>
<p>Obviously the term “Cart-Offs” means removing the hot dog cart from the locker room before the game. The player that does this gets $5000.</p>
<p>Even more obvious is that the term “Kill the head” refers to cleaning the bathroom after the game. The player that does that gets $10,000. Everyone knows that!</p>
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		<title>By: eagleswin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe if Ginsberg wasn&#039;t grandstanding to the media while the evidence was being shown to the players, he&#039;d have an informed opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe if Ginsberg wasn&#8217;t grandstanding to the media while the evidence was being shown to the players, he&#8217;d have an informed opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: cwwgk</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter Ginsberg irresponsibly accusing a tribunal of being unfair? Seems to be his calling card. Mr. Ginsberg had his license to practice law in a Florida bankruptcy court suspended for five years. He was also fined over $370,000.00. Both sanctions were imposed because Mr. Ginsberg recklessly accused a federal judge of being biased. In an opinion dated July 11, 2009, a federal court of appeals upheld the suspension and fine and stated: 

&quot;Yet, the record shows Ginsberg indulged in disrespectful statements without legal or factual foundation.  Ginsberg ignored all facts indicating that the court did not direct or engage in ex parte communications, rely on extra judicial materials, or endorse [an opposing attorney’s] actions.&quot;

What&#039;s that story about a boy crying wolf?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Ginsberg irresponsibly accusing a tribunal of being unfair? Seems to be his calling card. Mr. Ginsberg had his license to practice law in a Florida bankruptcy court suspended for five years. He was also fined over $370,000.00. Both sanctions were imposed because Mr. Ginsberg recklessly accused a federal judge of being biased. In an opinion dated July 11, 2009, a federal court of appeals upheld the suspension and fine and stated: </p>
<p>&#8220;Yet, the record shows Ginsberg indulged in disrespectful statements without legal or factual foundation.  Ginsberg ignored all facts indicating that the court did not direct or engage in ex parte communications, rely on extra judicial materials, or endorse [an opposing attorney’s] actions.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s that story about a boy crying wolf?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you Saints players supporters even know what a commissioner is there for?  He&#039;s there to decide what is best for the league.  Listen, we all know something happened that wasn&#039;t kosher.  We all know that there was money on the table to knock someone out of a game.  So maybe the evidence isn&#039;t a perfect smoking gun.  We all know that some coaches and players are guilty.  I&#039;m sure it happens everywhere.  Goodell is there to do what&#039;s best for the NFL.  He and his advisers think that throwing the book at the Saints will send a message to the whole league to cut this stuff out.  It could have been any team...it just happens to be the Saints.  Sucks to be a Saint fan right now. But in 4 months it won&#039;t mean anything.  I don&#039;t like it, but Vilma has to do what he has to do (in suing for defamation) but the truth is, he&#039;s guilty...just got caught bro.  No matter how loud your lawyer yells, it&#039;s not going to make a bit of difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you Saints players supporters even know what a commissioner is there for?  He&#8217;s there to decide what is best for the league.  Listen, we all know something happened that wasn&#8217;t kosher.  We all know that there was money on the table to knock someone out of a game.  So maybe the evidence isn&#8217;t a perfect smoking gun.  We all know that some coaches and players are guilty.  I&#8217;m sure it happens everywhere.  Goodell is there to do what&#8217;s best for the NFL.  He and his advisers think that throwing the book at the Saints will send a message to the whole league to cut this stuff out.  It could have been any team&#8230;it just happens to be the Saints.  Sucks to be a Saint fan right now. But in 4 months it won&#8217;t mean anything.  I don&#8217;t like it, but Vilma has to do what he has to do (in suing for defamation) but the truth is, he&#8217;s guilty&#8230;just got caught bro.  No matter how loud your lawyer yells, it&#8217;s not going to make a bit of difference.</p>
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		<title>By: duluthvikesfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t help but think the NFL will have the last laugh in this. Does anyone really think the league would take this kind of action against players and coaches based just on flimsy evidence? I am sure the minute the league decided to hand down punishments they knew that one, if not all, of those suspended would try and take this to court. They are not handing over the hard evidence now because the don&#039;t need to. In court they will and Goodell will then get the chance to look at the defendants and say &quot;see, I told you I had evidence&quot;. If I was Vilma, or any of the others, I would think twice about pushing this issue to far because the evidence you don&#039;t think they have might come back to bite you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t help but think the NFL will have the last laugh in this. Does anyone really think the league would take this kind of action against players and coaches based just on flimsy evidence? I am sure the minute the league decided to hand down punishments they knew that one, if not all, of those suspended would try and take this to court. They are not handing over the hard evidence now because the don&#8217;t need to. In court they will and Goodell will then get the chance to look at the defendants and say &#8220;see, I told you I had evidence&#8221;. If I was Vilma, or any of the others, I would think twice about pushing this issue to far because the evidence you don&#8217;t think they have might come back to bite you.</p>
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		<title>By: letmesetyoustraight</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;one source present at the session perceived that Goodell’s face turned red during Ginsberg’s rant.&quot;

As well it should have. He should be embarrassed at how he has handled this whole affair. He has used the media to carry his water since day one, and continued again today by having a special session with a dozen of his  favorite toady reporters.

No commisioner in the past has ever grand-standed like this. It could not have been handled any more unprofessionally than it has been. All of this show in the name of player safety while still pushing for an 18 game season. The commisioner is wearing no clothes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;one source present at the session perceived that Goodell’s face turned red during Ginsberg’s rant.&#8221;</p>
<p>As well it should have. He should be embarrassed at how he has handled this whole affair. He has used the media to carry his water since day one, and continued again today by having a special session with a dozen of his  favorite toady reporters.</p>
<p>No commisioner in the past has ever grand-standed like this. It could not have been handled any more unprofessionally than it has been. All of this show in the name of player safety while still pushing for an 18 game season. The commisioner is wearing no clothes.</p>
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		<title>By: themars211</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[stealthjunk says:
Jun 18, 2012 6:38 PM
Yawn. Ironic that Mr. Ginsberg presented zero evidence that his client was not involved, yet complains that Goodell did the same thing. It’s easy to complain about the process when you have nothing good to say about the merits of the case.

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If something did&#039;nt occur how can he produce evidence to dispute it other than tell you he did&#039;nt do it.  Its a catch 22 for the players.  If the players have evidence stating that they were not involved that means there was a &quot;bounty&quot; program.  They have all denied that there was such a program so what evidence can they produce?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stealthjunk says:<br />
Jun 18, 2012 6:38 PM<br />
Yawn. Ironic that Mr. Ginsberg presented zero evidence that his client was not involved, yet complains that Goodell did the same thing. It’s easy to complain about the process when you have nothing good to say about the merits of the case.</p>
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<p>If something did&#8217;nt occur how can he produce evidence to dispute it other than tell you he did&#8217;nt do it.  Its a catch 22 for the players.  If the players have evidence stating that they were not involved that means there was a &#8220;bounty&#8221; program.  They have all denied that there was such a program so what evidence can they produce?</p>
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		<title>By: andrewfbrowne</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Old law saying:

If you have the facts on your side, you pound the facts, if you have the law on your side, you pound the law, if you have neither you pound the table.

Consider Vilma&#039;s table splintered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old law saying:</p>
<p>If you have the facts on your side, you pound the facts, if you have the law on your side, you pound the law, if you have neither you pound the table.</p>
<p>Consider Vilma&#8217;s table splintered.</p>
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		<title>By: hauts81</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hauts81]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jebus, I wish Ginsburg had gone after Goodell like that during the StarCaps fiasco.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jebus, I wish Ginsburg had gone after Goodell like that during the StarCaps fiasco.</p>
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		<title>By: cgsuddeath</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cgsuddeath]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After the way Goodell has handled other situations(NE Patriot evidence disposal)I hope he fries like an egg.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the way Goodell has handled other situations(NE Patriot evidence disposal)I hope he fries like an egg.</p>
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		<title>By: flannlv</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flannlv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s apparent from some of the comments relating to this entire &quot;scandal&quot; are being made by people who have never engaged in organized team activities let alone football.  &quot;Kill the head&quot; is not to be taken literally, it&#039;s used to motivate.  A review of the 200 pages presented leaves one with the impression that Goodell had predetermined his course of action and has attempted to contort innocuous statements to fit his desired outcome.  Were the Saints engaged in a &quot;pay for performance&quot; system, yes.  It also goes on in every locker room.  Just review the comments from NYG players following the NFCCG.  

If anyone doesn&#039;t think the player&#039;s concussion lawsuits were the motivating factor for the suspensions they are simply ignoring reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s apparent from some of the comments relating to this entire &#8220;scandal&#8221; are being made by people who have never engaged in organized team activities let alone football.  &#8220;Kill the head&#8221; is not to be taken literally, it&#8217;s used to motivate.  A review of the 200 pages presented leaves one with the impression that Goodell had predetermined his course of action and has attempted to contort innocuous statements to fit his desired outcome.  Were the Saints engaged in a &#8220;pay for performance&#8221; system, yes.  It also goes on in every locker room.  Just review the comments from NYG players following the NFCCG.  </p>
<p>If anyone doesn&#8217;t think the player&#8217;s concussion lawsuits were the motivating factor for the suspensions they are simply ignoring reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Loose Changeup</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loose Changeup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, if the Saints had 488 &quot;Kill The Heads&quot; in 2010, what does that mean? Tackles? It&#039;s obviously not injuries. So GW used a lot of colorful language in his presentations and talks. Got anything else?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if the Saints had 488 &#8220;Kill The Heads&#8221; in 2010, what does that mean? Tackles? It&#8217;s obviously not injuries. So GW used a lot of colorful language in his presentations and talks. Got anything else?</p>
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		<title>By: Loose Changeup</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thankheavenfornumberseven says: Jun 18, 2012 6:36 PM
Why would Gregg Williams admit to the bounty program if it didn’t happen?
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Coercion. His career was in the hands of Judge, Jury, and Executioner Goodell, and he had the choice to say what Goodell wanted to hear, or he&#039;d never work again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thankheavenfornumberseven says: Jun 18, 2012 6:36 PM<br />
Why would Gregg Williams admit to the bounty program if it didn’t happen?<br />
&#8212;<br />
Coercion. His career was in the hands of Judge, Jury, and Executioner Goodell, and he had the choice to say what Goodell wanted to hear, or he&#8217;d never work again.</p>
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		<title>By: peytonwantsaflag</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did Keith Oberman ghost write that rant for him?  Sounds like his particular style of hissy fit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Keith Oberman ghost write that rant for him?  Sounds like his particular style of hissy fit.</p>
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		<title>By: donchathinkso</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;chubbsmcgee says: Guess what? Collectively bargained appeals processes need not be fair.&lt;/i&gt;

Agreed, and I give Vilma and his attorney credit for being creative and and seeking relief from outside of the CBA&#039;s juristiction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>chubbsmcgee says: Guess what? Collectively bargained appeals processes need not be fair.</i></p>
<p>Agreed, and I give Vilma and his attorney credit for being creative and and seeking relief from outside of the CBA&#8217;s juristiction.</p>
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		<title>By: gingerkid2000</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gisburg is a horrible attorney. He has done nothing to help his client at all. These guys will continue to deny any and all evidence because so long as they do, it still implies a measure of doubt to their guilt. Problem with this strategy is the more evidence they ask to be made public, the more excuses they have to make for it. You can&#039;t keep making excuse after excuse for every piece of evidence. I&#039;m guessing these guys were given chances to cooperate or work with the NFL for a while and instead they chose not to and are being punished for that. Ginsburg needs to muzzle them because they&#039;re coming across like whining children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gisburg is a horrible attorney. He has done nothing to help his client at all. These guys will continue to deny any and all evidence because so long as they do, it still implies a measure of doubt to their guilt. Problem with this strategy is the more evidence they ask to be made public, the more excuses they have to make for it. You can&#8217;t keep making excuse after excuse for every piece of evidence. I&#8217;m guessing these guys were given chances to cooperate or work with the NFL for a while and instead they chose not to and are being punished for that. Ginsburg needs to muzzle them because they&#8217;re coming across like whining children.</p>
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		<title>By: efriedo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[efriedo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 23:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“You have taken words that Gregg Williams used, colorful words like cart-offs and wax and [kill the head] and have chosen publicly to distort the meaning of those words notwithstanding the fact that Mr. Williams and others ha told you that those terms in no way relate to illegal hits or any bounty program...&quot;

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Obviously the term &quot;Cart-Offs&quot; means removing the hot dog cart from the locker room before the game. The player that does this gets $5000.

Even more obvious is that the term &quot;Kill the head&quot; refers to cleaning the bathroom after the game. The player that does that gets $10,000. Everyone knows that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“You have taken words that Gregg Williams used, colorful words like cart-offs and wax and [kill the head] and have chosen publicly to distort the meaning of those words notwithstanding the fact that Mr. Williams and others ha told you that those terms in no way relate to illegal hits or any bounty program&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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<p>Obviously the term &#8220;Cart-Offs&#8221; means removing the hot dog cart from the locker room before the game. The player that does this gets $5000.</p>
<p>Even more obvious is that the term &#8220;Kill the head&#8221; refers to cleaning the bathroom after the game. The player that does that gets $10,000. Everyone knows that!</p>
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