Comments on: Timing of exhibit disclosure could scuttle bounty suspensions

By: cornersss

cornersss — Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:39:38 +0000

“Three calendar days prior to the hearing translates, in the normal sense of the term, to at least 72 hours before the hearing. Actually, it could reasonably be argued that the exhibits were due by 11:59 p.m. on Thursday, June 14, since that would have given the players “three calendar days” (Friday, Saturday, and Sunday) to digest the evidence and prepare accordingly.”

It may say calendar, but im sure it will be very easy for their lawyers to argue business days like the rest of the world goes by…

BUT why do we want this stuff tossed out on a technicality?

Its real easy for the players to demand 100% proof, but we all know NFL as a business cant and probably wont. Does that mean the players were innocent? I dont think so, they do though.

By: FinFan68

FinFan68 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:47:55 +0000

stew48 said 5 hours ago:

re: canetic and FinFan68

surprise: from the dictionary, day: 24 hours, esp. midnight to midnight. so, in no way was the info three days. and, that has nothing to do with anything but abiding by the agreement, not the Constitution.
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OK. You used one of several definitions for that word. So what? There are others that do not support your stance. If a business is open 5 days a week, do you honestly believe that they mean the business is open for 120 straight hours? Good luck getting that car fixed at 3 a.m.

The language says 3 calendar days and in this case Friday, Saturday and Sunday are the 3 calendar days before the hearing on Monday. I get that some people want to squeeze out a meaning that isn’t there and that is why the league postponed the thing until after the 72 hour interpretation had been sufficed. If it meant 72 hours it would have stated “72 hours” instead of 3 calendar days.

If you start the clock at noon on Monday and add 72 hours, those 72 hours would encompass Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and end just before noon on Thursday. Last I checked, that is four calendar days in that scenario.

By: onereasonableman

onereasonableman — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:51:23 +0000

A practicing lawyer knows that the three day filing requirement is not counted in hours but days.

So if they filed it on the third day prior to the hearing, there is no issue.

I would interpret the “calendar” day requirement to mean that you would count Saturdays and Sundays — which are days that are normally excluded from counting if the day requirement is less than 7 days.

And yes, if the filing cutoff for these documents was 11:59 pm, they would be fine to file them at 11:58. It sucks, but that is what people do all the time.

By: stew48

stew48 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:02:30 +0000

oops, forgot a “t”

By: stew48

stew48 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:02:00 +0000

re: cwwgk—I sure hope you never represent anything I support. I suffered greatly due to a talen like yours.

re: canetic and FinFan68

By: panamon

panamon — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 14:00:11 +0000

Since when was the NFLPA the “other party” in the appeals process? This article completely ignores even wondering if the PLAYERS who appealed received the documents before the one time you say the NFLPA did and that’s FAR too convenient for you to absolutely ignore the possibility of. But I guess it’d be a lot less sensational if you mentioned your technicality is based on assumption and there exists another “technicality” you ignored which would make this whole piece of speculation wrong.

In fact, what would REQUIRE this evidence during a Goodell-held appeal with the players? If it’s said so often there’s “NO EVIDENCE” or that all that supposedly contained no proof why would it be necessary at all? I think the second the players gave up on arguing during the appeal process they also gave up on having a successful appeal.

By: CKL

CKL — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:54:25 +0000

And whoever failed to ensure that the exhibits were delivered at least 72 hours before the start of Monday’s hearing probably will be spending some time in the coming weeks and months gnawing on Tums while obsessing over the manner in which this one may play out.
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Man you missed an opportunity to substitute “shall” for “will here”.

I hate when technicalities substitute for real justice but yes, either party who violates the CBA should have to deal with the consequences of that.

By: nypd1056

nypd1056 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:52:23 +0000

Has anyone given any thought that the NFL might just be prolonging this to keep Football in the news during a slow & boring non football June?

By: gravedigger93

gravedigger93 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:34:16 +0000

This comment section is a perfect example of the damage Goodell has done to these players reputations. There has been zero evidence that proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, that these players were involved. That’s the foundation for the American legal system, that’s justice. Are we pretty sure they were involved? Yeah I think it’s reasonable to a assume they were involved. Are they morally reprehensible for their actions? Definitely. As I said before (and to quote Denzel Washington again), it’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove. Again, it’s a safe assumption that they were trying to break Favre’s leg, but do we know for sure? Absolutely not. If you’re going to deprive a player of 4.6 million dollars, Vilma’s base salary for 2012, then you dang well better have rock solid evidence he’s guilty.

Some notes that have player names and dollar amounts don’t prove guilt. An audio/video clip of a player that may or may not be Anthony Hargrove doesn’t prove guilt. An unnamed witness that says he heard a couple guys say they would put money on injuring so and so doesn’t prove guilt. That’s all flimsy, circumstantial evidence. If the NFL and Roger Goodell can, in good conscience, say that the evidence proves beyond a reasonable doubt that these players are guilty then he is as morally reprehensible as Greg Williams.

By: darthsaint

darthsaint — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:33:05 +0000

I want to hear all the Saints haters with their “It is in the CBA so Saints players and fans just need to shut up and deal with it.”

Yeah…Saints haters…”shut up and deal with it.

This whole thing is such a sham, from beginning to end. I never thought the NFL I love would become a freaking soap opera…but it actually has…and honestly…could get worse before it gets better.

I wonder if Goodell ever thinks to himself, “damn, this didn’t exactly go how we thought huh?”

By: Brian Cuban

Brian Cuban — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 13:02:35 +0000

Every law student may know that but every trial lawyer knows that in the real world of litigation, if the other party was not prejudiced the court may very well let the documents in regardless of the deadline.

By: easyeddie

easyeddie — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:24:10 +0000

It wouldn’t mean the accused Saints players aren’t guilty as hell.

By: gerttownmomo

gerttownmomo — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:12:51 +0000

This is NOT a court of law…it’s a proceeding utterly controlled by the league. The Saints thumbed their noses at the league for years…now they are going to pay the price for that level of hubris.

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what florio said was that WHEN this ends up in a court of law, the nfl has no leg to stand on.

don’t worry, it will!

By: ppdoc13

ppdoc13 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 12:08:49 +0000

First kill all the lawyers

Willliam shakespeare

By: worldwidebleater

worldwidebleater — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:35:33 +0000

Just like the “technicality” that keeps the NFL from being guilty of collusion. As a lawyer you can’t possibly be suggesting that they should go by the spirit of the rule. That’s an argument for people who know they’ve broken the rules.

By: denverscott

denverscott — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:33:43 +0000

Try this for a distraction. Go to NFL.com, click on a link and find the “My sisters boyfriend make $73 …..”.
Copy and paste that whole msg and guess what? Inappropriate by the NFL. THEY are selling that SPAM. Try it. Try to post against it. Report it more than twice and your report key doesn’t work. Money hungry SOBs. Wonder if the players get a cut of these profits?

By: Patriot42

Patriot42 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:30:26 +0000

Why don’t we allow the inmates to run the prison. The Saints players are the bottom the the food chain and those players that participated in the bounty are worthless.

By: zurnvs

zurnvs — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:10:45 +0000

And if my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle!!!

By: canetic

canetic — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 11:07:40 +0000

From Am Jur, re Time: “Since the law usually rejects fractions of a day, when an act is required by a contract to be performed on a specified day, it’s performance is not referable to any particular portion of that day but may be performed at any time during the day.” Case closed, as we say in the business.

Also, in order to raise that claim I’m sure the players would have had to preserve the issue by requesting a continuance and having it denied, or even seek an injunction prior to the hearing. I don’t know if those things were done.

By: 49erstim

49erstim — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:38:33 +0000

It is nice to know that getting off on a technicality is good enough for Saints fans who swore up and down there was no evidence. By any means necessary right Saints fans? Pathetic!

By: shian11

shian11 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:24:18 +0000

Saintsgan26, do you think goodell. Someone who has built his career to the level that 32 billionaire owners would hire him to run the league with almost full control and negotiate a 100 billion dollar agreement has been grasping at straws??? Don’t you think that the commisioner and nfl security are way too smart for that? Do you really think they would take millions of dollars from coaches and players if they did have concrete evidence? Do you think they would put there careers on that? If they don’t have actual evidence ( that you havn’t seen, but maybe Tom benson has seen) then why would benson hire a former federal official to help fix these issues with his team. Why aren’t the coaches complaining???? There is NOTHING to keep them from talking, NOTHING!! Maybe there not talking because they ran a program against the rules! Maybe they are not talking because in one game – players and coaches crossed the line and offered money for injury! How quickly you forget that the suspensions were much worse because the saints players lied, decided, hampered the league investigation 3 years earlier. Before you call me a idiot, do something wrong at work, when asked by your boss during an investigation – lie about it. I guarentee when they find out you lied – you won’t get suspended

By: infrno

infrno — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:42:03 +0000

So, in addition to arguing that “their own coaches admitted it” (which they most certainly did NOT), now you’re arguing calendar days? Let me break it down for the learning impaired – 3 days = 72 em effin hours. Look it up.

Wow, but some of you are really showing your lack of knowledge.

Now, if (again – IF) this is the case, why is your GODell so stupid?

By: hedleykow

hedleykow — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 06:25:58 +0000

Personally, I wish there were more bounties and I wish fans could contribute to bounties on certain players on the opposing team. When fans buy their tickets to the game, they should be asked if they would like to contribute ten thousand dollars for a bounty on the opposing qb.

Are you ready for some Football!?!?!

By: mdd913

mdd913 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 05:43:59 +0000

I don’t want them to get off on a technicality….I want everybody to finally realize that the evidence shows that they were wrongly accused, and that Goodell has been railroading them all along. I want my coaches back, I want my players back, I want Goodell fired.

Anything less is a complete miscarriage of justice. And if you don’t like it, guess what, I don’t care.

By: marat28051988

marat28051988 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 04:56:05 +0000

saints are innocent and fans of panthers of falcons and bucs start up go look for proofs because play off with it now doesn’t shine so to time at them much

By: frank433

frank433 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 04:36:58 +0000

I wonder if the NFL found a way to violate the CBA to have the suspensions thrown out on a technicality to appease the players while being able to say “They didn’t prove their innocence.”

By: patsaintsbroncoscheat

patsaintsbroncoscheat — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 04:30:44 +0000

Won’t matter! Sorry New Orleans fans these suspensions will be upheld because the NFL holds all the cards. Everyone heard the Williams audio and we all know he and the saints are guilty.

By: Mike Florio

Mike Florio — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:57:57 +0000

Under that reasoning the NFL could have delivered the exhibits at 11:59 p.m. on Friday.

By: slayer1224

slayer1224 — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:54:54 +0000

Goodell needs to be fired for this!!! How much can one guy screw up.

By: letmesetyoustraight

letmesetyoustraight — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 03:53:24 +0000

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jordan1177 says:Jun 19, 2012 10:25 PM

Let’s see how long it takes for ESPN to post a similar story…
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They will have to wait until Goodell gives them permission.