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Cliff Avril: Don’t judge the Lions by a few arrested players

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Lions defensive end Cliff Avril knows that his team leads the league in offseason arrests, but he doesn’t think it’s fair to label the Lions as troublemakers because of that.

“You can’t label us by a few young guys getting in trouble,” Avril said on ESPN’s NFL 32. “You can’t put that on the other 53 guys on the roster. That makes no sense. Obviously they are part of the team, but I don’t think it’s correct to put that on the other 53 guys who are on the roster.”

Lions cornerback Aaron Berry was the latest Lion to get arrested, with a DUI over the weekend. Lions offensive lineman Johnny Culbreath got the arrests started this year with a marijuana possession charge, running back Mikel Leshoure has been arrested twice for marijuana possession and defensive tackle Nick Fairley has been arrested for marijuana possession once and for drunk driving once. Avril said he tries to talk to his teammates about staying out of trouble.

“Obviously, the guys who had two offenses, it’s kind of hard to talk to those guys, but you’ve got to be supportive of the guys and try to get them on the right track,” Avril said.

Avril is currently unsigned as the Lions’ franchise player, but he said he’s still in regular contact with his teammates and optimistic that he’ll get a deal done before July 16, the last day for franchise players to sign long-term contracts. Getting a deal done with Avril would be a bright spot in a bad offseason in Detroit.

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42 Responses to “Cliff Avril: Don’t judge the Lions by a few arrested players”
  1. hey804 says: Jun 27, 2012 6:54 PM

    But isn’t that how we judge the Saints, Bengals and Steelers?

  2. truthhurtstoo says: Jun 27, 2012 6:55 PM

    What then? Your rich history of winning??

  3. 808raiderinparadise says: Jun 27, 2012 6:55 PM

    Fans will judge.

    Goodell will judge.

    The judicial system will judge.

    Nice try Avril.

  4. bubbasmithguy says: Jun 27, 2012 6:56 PM

    OK Cliff. We’ll just judge you by the number of defenseless players your team mates stomp on.

  5. steelerhypocrite says: Jun 27, 2012 6:57 PM

    Instead, judge the Lions by the city they represent…only hundreds of murders per week.

  6. rockbottom37 says: Jun 27, 2012 6:57 PM

    The mighty Detroit Lions…only Drew Brees completed more passes then Matthew Stafford…an only Eli threw more deep balls then Matthew Stafford! If they have any kind of running game this year they may have best Offense in league

  7. dannythebisforbeast says: Jun 27, 2012 6:58 PM

    A few is 3. 6 is a gaggle of goofs

  8. khmer379 says: Jun 27, 2012 7:10 PM

    Who cares they be lucky if they make the playoff again this year in the tough NFC north

  9. ialwayswantedtobeabanker says: Jun 27, 2012 7:12 PM

    Avril has a point. He didn’t do anything wrong – been a model citizen. Same for Vanden Bosch. Same for Staff, Burleson and Calvin.

    I’m not even a Lions fan. But make sure blame is laid where it belongs. If it belongs on Berry, LeShoure, Fairley, etc. — lay it there.

    One could even make an argument that HC Schwartz deserves some heat for something like “lack of institutional control.” But it definitely does NOT deserve to be placed on the law-abiding stand-up guys on that team.

    Just not fair. None of us would like to be blamed for the misconduct of our workplace colleagues, people of our race, people of our gender, etc.

  10. 3ghostninja says: Jun 27, 2012 7:17 PM

    It was 4, not 6. Two were arrested twice.

  11. teal379 says: Jun 27, 2012 7:18 PM

    I do put it on the other 53.

    YOU guys are a team. YOU should be looking out for one another.

    YOU veterans should be keeping the “young guys” in line.

    Either you’re teammates or you’re not. So far – not.

  12. bchapman2011 says: Jun 27, 2012 7:24 PM

    I totally agree with Avril but there is one problem with his premise. We are not just talking about few players. The lions have had at least 7 players arrested this offseason. Based on a 53 man roster 7 players is about 13% of their team. Not exactly an isolated incident.

  13. flipper9494 says: Jun 27, 2012 7:24 PM

    They should make a “Lemon Law” for the teams. They put up with a lot of this stuff because they don’t have many options when key players go afoul of the law. If teams have so many instances, fines, etc. where they know they have a “lemon” on their hands, the league should give them some remedies so they can cut the loss and not be penalized for losing someone high on the depth chart. Maybe adding a draft choice, a break in cap for one year, etc.

    Also, if these trouble players that are getting busted two, three times know they can lose it all when the team triggers the Lemon Law, they may straighten up sooner than later.

    Right now there are no teeth for either the NFL or the teams to really deal with this in any meaningful way.

  14. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Jun 27, 2012 7:25 PM

    Oh, but they can. And they will. Trust me.

  15. nflfollower says: Jun 27, 2012 7:28 PM

    I’m waiting for the next arrest. I am shocked it has taken this long since berry…. Being a lions fan however, I am thankful they are winning. I would rather cheer for a bunch of hooligans than some nice guys who go 0-16.

  16. greglloydrules says: Jun 27, 2012 7:30 PM

    hey804 says: Jun 27, 2012 6:54 PM

    But isn’t that how we judge the Saints, Bengals and Steelers?

    ———

    The Steelers??? You do know they’ve had less arrests than most of the teams in league since 2008 right. Actually the Angels (Packers) have had more arrests than any other team in the league other than the Lions since then.

    You only talk about the Steelers cause you’re a hater. But I don’t blame you, greatness come with jealousy.

  17. smstonerock says: Jun 27, 2012 7:35 PM

    steelerhypocrite says:

    “Instead, judge the Lions by the city they represent…only hundreds of murders per week.”

    Actually, the Lions represent the 3.7 million great people in the metropolitan area who live outside the borders of the city and who are ashamed and saddened by the condition of the city and don’t live in it for that reason.

  18. covercorner says: Jun 27, 2012 7:37 PM

    NFL players need round the clock babysitters.

  19. 808raiderinparadise says: Jun 27, 2012 7:42 PM

    flipper9494 says:
    Jun 27, 2012 7:24 PM
    They should make a “Lemon Law” for the teams. They put up with a lot of this stuff because they don’t have many options when key players go afoul of the law. If teams have so many instances, fines, etc. where they know they have a “lemon” on their hands, the league should give them some remedies so they can cut the loss and not be penalized for losing someone high on the depth chart. Maybe adding a draft choice, a break in cap for one year, etc.

    Also, if these trouble players that are getting busted two, three times know they can lose it all when the team triggers the Lemon Law, they may straighten up sooner than later.

    Right now there are no teeth for either the NFL or the teams to really deal with this in any meaningful way.

    ———————–

    Right, so if you hire the wrong candidate for any job in he real-world you should be compensated for it? BS

    Problem is the contracts, if language was in the teams contratc with agent/player about 0 tolerance then players could owe back $ and lose job.

    Thing is, in reality teams/owners know how many of these players live bad lifestyles in the off-season/free time and just hope they can keep there talent long enough to help them win big.

  20. pleasantsurpriselefty says: Jun 27, 2012 7:45 PM

    Why would anyone come to that conclusion? Like the Tuna says: “You are what your record says you are.” Nice try though.

  21. commandercornpone says: Jun 27, 2012 7:53 PM

    lets judge by playoff wins.

  22. 805_9er says: Jun 27, 2012 8:04 PM

    No need to judge the Lions. They haven’t been relevant in my life time and I don’t see that changing…

  23. millerhour says: Jun 27, 2012 8:06 PM

    Their team is dirty! They also get arrested! This isn’t about a couple guys, Stafford threw moore down by his helmet last year after a pick, and Moore got ejected!

  24. ecruz0884 says: Jun 27, 2012 8:14 PM

    Excuse me, let me be the first to apologize to all the model citizens in here a.k.a haters. Get it over it, it was dui and possessions of weed. Really, like most of us don’t drink or have never smoked before. They just made a bad call and got caught. Ignorant ads people and over the top media.

  25. abninf says: Jun 27, 2012 8:15 PM

    For every one arrested, common sense dictates there are many more who haven’t been caught yet. Lions have issues.

  26. kennyrogerschicken says: Jun 27, 2012 8:34 PM

    greglloydrules says:
    Jun 27, 2012 7:30 PM
    hey804 says: Jun 27, 2012 6:54 PM

    But isn’t that how we judge the Saints, Bengals and Steelers?

    ———

    The Steelers??? You do know they’ve had less arrests than most of the teams in league since 2008 right. Actually the Angels (Packers) have had more arrests than any other team in the league other than the Lions since then.

    You only talk about the Steelers cause you’re a hater. But I don’t blame you, greatness come with jealousy.

     ——————————————

    Sour grapes from the Steelers loss to the Pack in the Super Bowl? Feel free to back up the arrest claims with some stats, otherwise you’re just another Steelers idiot.

  27. staffordsyear says: Jun 27, 2012 8:39 PM

    Not relevent? You must be pretty young considering the lions made the playoffs 6 times in the 90s whitch included an nfc championship game.

  28. broncosnative says: Jun 27, 2012 8:57 PM

    The league need to be more stricter on arrests and repeated arrests. Its usually always the same thing, DUI, drug or weapon possession and assault. Teams need to have 0 tolerance in players contract, its a shame that every off season players getting in trouble, not taking their jobs seriously. If I had the authority to punish players it’ll be like this:

    1st arrest: 4 games suspended without pay
    2nd arrest: 1 year suspension without pay
    3rd arrest: kicked out the league for life

    That’s right, 3 strikes and you’re out, that’ll get their attention to clean their acts up.

  29. dryzzt23 says: Jun 27, 2012 9:13 PM

    Where is the “peer pressure” from the rest of the team?
    Why don’t they have a players only meeting and tell guys not to do stupid stuff?

  30. dryzzt23 says: Jun 27, 2012 9:15 PM

    The league need to be more stricter on arrests and repeated arrests. Its usually always the same thing, DUI, drug or weapon possession and assault. Teams need to have 0 tolerance in players contract, its a shame that every off season players getting in trouble, not taking their jobs seriously. If I had the authority to punish players it’ll be like this:

    1st arrest: 4 games suspended without pay
    2nd arrest: 1 year suspension without pay
    3rd arrest: kicked out the league for life

    That’s right, 3 strikes and you’re out, that’ll get their attention to clean their acts up
    __________________________________
    Great idea Broncos but you seem to forget, these guys have UNION protection, and as long as they have that they can pretty much get away with anything b/c a unions sole purpose is to protect the screw ups from getting fired b/c less players = less union dues = less power for union bosses.

  31. mrlaloosh says: Jun 27, 2012 9:19 PM

    “IMPORTED FROM DETROIT”. Rap sheets.

  32. orthodoxdj says: Jun 27, 2012 9:25 PM

    Hats off to the Lions for finally turning their franchise around. The NFL is better when there is parity spread out over the years.

    Baseball sucks.

  33. mjkelly77 says: Jun 27, 2012 9:31 PM

    dannythebisforbeast says:Jun 27, 2012 6:58 PM

    A few is 3. 6 is a gaggle of goofs
    ______________

    Uhhh, try 4 players.

  34. mtrhead269 says: Jun 27, 2012 9:50 PM

    Whatever you say Cliff.

    BTW 7.5% of the Lions roster has been arrested this offseason.

    And the Lions still suck @0 years without a playoff win and counting .

    The Lons Really Suck.

  35. rmc1995 says: Jun 27, 2012 9:58 PM

    All of the arrests have taken place during the offseason. Trying to blame anyone but the individual is silly. These arrests are a result of youthful stupidity with too much money and free time (time fought for in tbe cba) not an organization’s lack structure. David Diehl got arrested at 31 years old and folks were strangely forgiving because he’d never been a problem. The Giants had seven arrests with 7 different players in 2008, 4 while still in season! Yet Coughlin is still considered a disciplinarian and the Football Giants a class organization. So Avril is correct. The Lions being a bunch of knuckle heads is a perception based on media and fans trying to make the free time of players relavent to what happens on the field.

  36. veence69 says: Jun 27, 2012 10:17 PM

    Cliff Avril: Don’t judge the Lions by a few arrested players, Judge the Lions by ALL arrested players..

  37. beerbudsnbevo says: Jun 27, 2012 10:24 PM

    Whats wrong haters?

    No comparisons to the Cowboys of the 90’s?

    I expected more out of you guys….

  38. metalhead65 says: Jun 27, 2012 10:53 PM

    so even though the young guys keep screwing up you should still support them? admit it your support has nothing to do with them as people but only how good a player they are. if it was a 3rd string player you and the team would kick them to the curb so fast they would not know what happened to them. how about showing some support by getting them the help they need or telling them not to appeal the penalty they will be getting. even if they do not learn anything they need to know there are consequences for their screw ups.

  39. torrigjp says: Jun 27, 2012 11:13 PM

    millerhour says:
    Jun 27, 2012 8:06 PM
    Their team is dirty! They also get arrested! This isn’t about a couple guys, Stafford threw moore down by his helmet last year after a pick, and Moore got ejected!
    ____________________________________

    OMG how despicable, a quarterback shoved a defensive player?! Where are my tampons? I bet he stole them!

  40. rextraordinaire says: Jun 27, 2012 11:49 PM

    Its Detroit guys! You have to drive drunk there because you have a 100% chance of getting shot if you take the city bus!

  41. clashpoint says: Jun 28, 2012 2:50 AM

    Which celebrity was it that said any publicity is good publicity? If thats true, the lions should be super bowl favorites in vegas.

  42. capitaloffense says: Jun 28, 2012 10:03 AM

    Judging a group of people based on the actions of a few…I’m sure they have a name for that somewhere…

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