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	<title>Comments on: Vilma gets same judge for his new case</title>
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		<title>By: silvercutlery</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/04/vilma-gets-same-judge-for-his-new-case/#comment-1864351</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[silvercutlery]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not a Saints fan (Lions fan) but:

* It&#039;s not right to say, &#039;the Saints need to stop whining...take their medicine...blah blah.&quot;

I think for the most part, the Saints fans and organisation have. I think they knew what they did was wrong, but are a little upset that it&#039;s been portrayed that they literally had a bounty program. It literal terms, they didn&#039;t.


* It&#039;s just Vilma. Vilma is pathetic. I strongly believe the NFL has a number of statements saying that had offered $10,000 to knock out Favre. Vilma was part of something like this back when he was at Miami. He seems to think the rules don&#039;t apply to him. It&#039;s not the Saints, it&#039;s Vilma. He&#039;s the one who&#039;s been carrying on. Look at Vitt, Payton, etc. They think they&#039;re punishment is a bit harsh, but they&#039;ve swallowed their medicine.


* What&#039;s more, if Vilma does come back he probably doesn&#039;t even start for New Orleans. If he does get reinstated, I would be surprised if a large percentage of Saints fans want him cut. For the money, carrying on and drama he&#039;ll bring compared to the production, that&#039;s a bad investment, regardless of what he&#039;s done for you in the past.


* In short, don&#039;t hold the Saints name tightly against Vilma at this stage of the process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a Saints fan (Lions fan) but:</p>
<p>* It&#8217;s not right to say, &#8216;the Saints need to stop whining&#8230;take their medicine&#8230;blah blah.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think for the most part, the Saints fans and organisation have. I think they knew what they did was wrong, but are a little upset that it&#8217;s been portrayed that they literally had a bounty program. It literal terms, they didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>* It&#8217;s just Vilma. Vilma is pathetic. I strongly believe the NFL has a number of statements saying that had offered $10,000 to knock out Favre. Vilma was part of something like this back when he was at Miami. He seems to think the rules don&#8217;t apply to him. It&#8217;s not the Saints, it&#8217;s Vilma. He&#8217;s the one who&#8217;s been carrying on. Look at Vitt, Payton, etc. They think they&#8217;re punishment is a bit harsh, but they&#8217;ve swallowed their medicine.</p>
<p>* What&#8217;s more, if Vilma does come back he probably doesn&#8217;t even start for New Orleans. If he does get reinstated, I would be surprised if a large percentage of Saints fans want him cut. For the money, carrying on and drama he&#8217;ll bring compared to the production, that&#8217;s a bad investment, regardless of what he&#8217;s done for you in the past.</p>
<p>* In short, don&#8217;t hold the Saints name tightly against Vilma at this stage of the process.</p>
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		<title>By: gingerkid2000</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/04/vilma-gets-same-judge-for-his-new-case/#comment-1864307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gingerkid2000]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 05:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given the fact that Ginsberg already has a questionable background regarding unethical behavior in a court of law, I&#039;d watch this Judge/Attorney relationship like a hawk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the fact that Ginsberg already has a questionable background regarding unethical behavior in a court of law, I&#8217;d watch this Judge/Attorney relationship like a hawk.</p>
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		<title>By: halbert53</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/04/vilma-gets-same-judge-for-his-new-case/#comment-1864246</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[halbert53]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 03:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is obvious that the legal profession in New Orleans has made a complete recovery from Katrina.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious that the legal profession in New Orleans has made a complete recovery from Katrina.</p>
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		<title>By: thegreatgabbert</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/04/vilma-gets-same-judge-for-his-new-case/#comment-1864206</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thegreatgabbert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 02:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Good afternoon Your Honor....&quot;

&quot;Good afternoon to you too, Sweetcakes.&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Good afternoon Your Honor&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Good afternoon to you too, Sweetcakes.&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: chi01town</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/04/vilma-gets-same-judge-for-his-new-case/#comment-1864197</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chi01town]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 02:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Saints was trying to hurt other players, now they have to pay the price. But Goodell shouldnt be the one doing it, he knows NOTHING about the game EXCEPT how to destroy it, Goodell is making defense a penalty.. he wants to stop the kicking game.. an completely do away with the pro bowl.. The NFLPA needs to go after him now. Before its too late]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Saints was trying to hurt other players, now they have to pay the price. But Goodell shouldnt be the one doing it, he knows NOTHING about the game EXCEPT how to destroy it, Goodell is making defense a penalty.. he wants to stop the kicking game.. an completely do away with the pro bowl.. The NFLPA needs to go after him now. Before its too late</p>
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		<title>By: atwatercrushesokoye</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/04/vilma-gets-same-judge-for-his-new-case/#comment-1864141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[atwatercrushesokoye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 00:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny when this first came out Williams said he was embarrassed and it was on him, Saints fans forget this.  Other players from other Williams teams (including Coy Wire in Buffalo) admitted that he had run bounty programs while Williams was there, Saints fans forget this.  

The NFL told Benson about this 2 years earlier and he told Micky Loomis to make sure it stopped, Loomis did not do anything and the program continued, Saints fans forget this.  

Vitt&#039;s Lawyer David Cornwell stated that Loomis and Payton did meet with Williams before a divisional playoff game and ordered him to &quot;stop the BOUNTY program&quot; and that Williams was a rogue coach.  Saints fans forget this.  

Look at these 3 things, none of which the Saints dispute, how can any reasonable person say there was no &quot;BOUNTY&quot; program?  Oh yeah they admit there was a &quot;pay for performance&quot; scheme but now claim it wasn&#039;t a bounty program, well why didn&#039;t the players and coaches just admit to all of that during the first investigation instead of stonewalling?  Because they&#039;re innocent right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny when this first came out Williams said he was embarrassed and it was on him, Saints fans forget this.  Other players from other Williams teams (including Coy Wire in Buffalo) admitted that he had run bounty programs while Williams was there, Saints fans forget this.  </p>
<p>The NFL told Benson about this 2 years earlier and he told Micky Loomis to make sure it stopped, Loomis did not do anything and the program continued, Saints fans forget this.  </p>
<p>Vitt&#8217;s Lawyer David Cornwell stated that Loomis and Payton did meet with Williams before a divisional playoff game and ordered him to &#8220;stop the BOUNTY program&#8221; and that Williams was a rogue coach.  Saints fans forget this.  </p>
<p>Look at these 3 things, none of which the Saints dispute, how can any reasonable person say there was no &#8220;BOUNTY&#8221; program?  Oh yeah they admit there was a &#8220;pay for performance&#8221; scheme but now claim it wasn&#8217;t a bounty program, well why didn&#8217;t the players and coaches just admit to all of that during the first investigation instead of stonewalling?  Because they&#8217;re innocent right?</p>
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		<title>By: SeenThisB4</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/04/vilma-gets-same-judge-for-his-new-case/#comment-1864103</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SeenThisB4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since when do the accuse in this country have to prove their innocense?  They don&#039;t have to prove that the NFL is wrong either.   It&#039;s the accusers that have to prove their accusations, unless the constitution has changed this 4th of July.  The players should get their day in a real court, and not in Goodell&#039;s conference room.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when do the accuse in this country have to prove their innocense?  They don&#8217;t have to prove that the NFL is wrong either.   It&#8217;s the accusers that have to prove their accusations, unless the constitution has changed this 4th of July.  The players should get their day in a real court, and not in Goodell&#8217;s conference room.</p>
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		<title>By: yssupasigninnamnotyep</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/04/vilma-gets-same-judge-for-his-new-case/#comment-1864097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yssupasigninnamnotyep]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since when should politics play a role instead of the actual law of the land? The United States judicial system is a frickin&#039; joke...but I&#039;m sure O.J. kind of likes it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when should politics play a role instead of the actual law of the land? The United States judicial system is a frickin&#8217; joke&#8230;but I&#8217;m sure O.J. kind of likes it.</p>
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		<title>By: thechosenone1234</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/04/vilma-gets-same-judge-for-his-new-case/#comment-1864094</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thechosenone1234]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Saints fan I&#039;m over this already and vilma and the other guys need to get over to and take there punishment]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Saints fan I&#8217;m over this already and vilma and the other guys need to get over to and take there punishment</p>
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		<title>By: zn0rseman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zn0rseman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Liberal judges tend to be more favorable to the rights of individuals, and conservative judges tend to be more favorable to the rights of large organizations.  
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I take issue with this statement in a big way.

Liberal judges tend to side with Union interests, and the interests of the state, regardless of who it is they step on.  I&#039;ve seen it a thousand times where privately owned businesses, like family farmers, are steamrolled  by state tax-payer funded lawyers illegally trying to annex land at unfair prices while paired with liberal judges who will always side with the state attorneys over the farmer.  They do it every time regardless of the right or wrong of the matter.  Go tell a farmer that liberal judges are looking out for them and see what reaction you get.

On the other hand, conservative judges tend to follow the law to the letter, which usually does favor large organizations who take great pains to be in compliance with the law.  However, when the individual rightly has the law on their side, there is no better judge to have than a conservative one, because they won&#039;t let emotion or their personal political agenda cloud their judgement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberal judges tend to be more favorable to the rights of individuals, and conservative judges tend to be more favorable to the rights of large organizations. <br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>I take issue with this statement in a big way.</p>
<p>Liberal judges tend to side with Union interests, and the interests of the state, regardless of who it is they step on.  I&#8217;ve seen it a thousand times where privately owned businesses, like family farmers, are steamrolled  by state tax-payer funded lawyers illegally trying to annex land at unfair prices while paired with liberal judges who will always side with the state attorneys over the farmer.  They do it every time regardless of the right or wrong of the matter.  Go tell a farmer that liberal judges are looking out for them and see what reaction you get.</p>
<p>On the other hand, conservative judges tend to follow the law to the letter, which usually does favor large organizations who take great pains to be in compliance with the law.  However, when the individual rightly has the law on their side, there is no better judge to have than a conservative one, because they won&#8217;t let emotion or their personal political agenda cloud their judgement.</p>
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		<title>By: edhochuli</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/04/vilma-gets-same-judge-for-his-new-case/#comment-1864056</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[edhochuli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not a fan of Goodell (salary cap debacle was a joke), but these guys were given chances to present their cases to Goodell and opted not to. Instead they wanna be babies and sue. Great example these guys are setting, if you don&#039;t get what you want just sue. I hope the Taints lose every game this season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a fan of Goodell (salary cap debacle was a joke), but these guys were given chances to present their cases to Goodell and opted not to. Instead they wanna be babies and sue. Great example these guys are setting, if you don&#8217;t get what you want just sue. I hope the Taints lose every game this season.</p>
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		<title>By: cush2push</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cush2push]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 22:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My problem with these &quot;bounty&quot; suspensions is the lack of evidence if greg williams was involved as the nfl says he is then the nfl should get a statement from him with all the players involved instead all we have is hearsay and audio from a &quot;player&quot; saying give me my money which could mean bounty or could mean he wants a new contract 
Until the NFL can without a doubt prove 
1 a bounty system was in place 
2 the players involved 
3 the coaches knew about it or involved 

All suspensions should be recanted]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with these &#8220;bounty&#8221; suspensions is the lack of evidence if greg williams was involved as the nfl says he is then the nfl should get a statement from him with all the players involved instead all we have is hearsay and audio from a &#8220;player&#8221; saying give me my money which could mean bounty or could mean he wants a new contract<br />
Until the NFL can without a doubt prove<br />
1 a bounty system was in place<br />
2 the players involved<br />
3 the coaches knew about it or involved </p>
<p>All suspensions should be recanted</p>
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		<title>By: rickyspanish</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rickyspanish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 21:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Saints are the biggest babies in sports. Take your punishment like men or prove that the NFL is wrong. It seems like it&#039;s all talk from Goodell and New Orleans, and since the players gave Goodell all the power, without evidence they&#039;re screwed and should get in with their lives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Saints are the biggest babies in sports. Take your punishment like men or prove that the NFL is wrong. It seems like it&#8217;s all talk from Goodell and New Orleans, and since the players gave Goodell all the power, without evidence they&#8217;re screwed and should get in with their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: geauxmez</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/04/vilma-gets-same-judge-for-his-new-case/#comment-1864024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[geauxmez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 21:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[its in Louisiana... Vilma should have no problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its in Louisiana&#8230; Vilma should have no problem.</p>
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		<title>By: RavenzGunnerz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RavenzGunnerz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 21:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Conservative Judges = Corporate Interest
Liberal Judges = Small Guy Interest...

But Fox News will make you believe otherwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservative Judges = Corporate Interest<br />
Liberal Judges = Small Guy Interest&#8230;</p>
<p>But Fox News will make you believe otherwise.</p>
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