OTOH, there can be no doubt that a criminal conspiracy has taken place in this case, just really a bad deal that we are all dis-empowered to act on that information.

Can’t you guys see the league’s desperation in all this, especially since Vilma filed a sure loser for Roger?

The so-called evidence will come out and the world will know they are full of crap.

Now they’re saying Vilma can practice with a Saints trainer, to mitigate the damages he’s definitely entitled to. Screw Roger and the Gestapo League, liars and crooks!

However in reference to your PS, I don’t know if they have enough evidence, I just know the players didn’t show.

Too bad, it was filled with great insight.

They didn’t show it because their case is as weak as a puppy fart. They will go down on this one and nobody deserves it more.

If you are charged with robbery or murder and you don’t show up to court you get convicted. You don’t then get to say that you didn’t see the evidence. At that point, you have to wait for the appeal, and at that hearing you still really don’t get to see the evidence because at an appeal it is your job to show why the conviction is wrong.

I don’t know if the NFL has damning evidence or not. I do know that the players decided not to show up at the NFL’s assigned hearings.

Oh yeah and as to the players assertion that Goodell turned them down when they asked to talk to him, he doesn’t have to talk to them when they want, it is their job to go to him when he says.

Rob a bank and then tell the judge when you are willing to go to trial, it doesn’t work that way.

The problem the players have is that they decided to not play by the rules that they signed for.

Now, Goodell doesn’t have to show anything. The time for showing was at the hearing, that the players decided that they didn’t need to show up for.

We all want to see evidence, he doesn’t have to show it.

For all we know, he could be bluffing but the players decided to not make him show his hand. They can’t do that now.

They had their chance to face their accuser and they refused to do it.

Did they get railroaded, we may never know. That isn’t Goodell’s fault, that is the players fault for trying to play chicken with the Judge and Jury.

Even by the twitter moron standards that tweet has got to be the most idiotic, moronic, and childish I’ve ever seen, I can’t help but feel sorry for someone that stupid.

Jonathan Vilma is no fool. He has great integrity. He is NO ONES stereotype.

@ESPMfeedback

Goodell has taken Vilma’s life away from him on BS evidence, HEARSAY, that no court in the world would allow, but according to the imbeciles on this site, he shouldn’t take up for himself. Idiots!

WTF ever happened to FAIRPLAY in this communist country. Some of you should hang yourselves for being stupid.

1) This was likely Vilma’s last year in the league anyway, he maybe had one more but that’s it…he has nothing to lose by going all out and trying to get this year back and protect his name

2) He has the NFLPA lawyer…this isn’t costing him anything

3) Every team should be glad the Saints players are standing up to Goodell because if he continues to go unchecked he could do something like this to any team

I am not even a Saints fan I admit I fell for the story when it first broke, but week after week the “evidence” the NFL has shown has been very, very weak. I am glad that Florio seems to be one of the few media members out there even keeping up with it (ESPN has been a joke when reporting this case.) They keep claiming they have tons and tons “50,000+ pages” but they keep holding it back.

If this case is as “strong” as the NFL alleges then why are they so afraid of going to court about it? It should be a slam dunk according to them, right?

I’m not sure who is dumber and lacks more perspective — Vilma, the Saints or Saints fans.

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The dumbest people of all are those that don’t even want to get to the truth of the matter.

Saints fans just want to know the ugly truth – whatever it is, and the “evidence” the NFL has released or leaked out to the media is either vague and could literally mean anything, or has been discredited within a day by mere fans (see the “ledger” leak – which wasn’t even submitted to the players for their appeals because it did not actually support the NFL’s initial accusations of pay-to-injure).

The longer it takes for the NFL to prove anything to us, the more suspicious we have become that there’s really nothing substantial to back up their claims. Combined with the very, very strange way they’ve handled this entire situation, it just fosters doubt in the system and this has grown to the pervasive outcry you see and loathe today. Because it doesn’t affect you personally.

And face it – Goodell and the NFL are the ones who publicized these accusations before fully resolving the situation with suspensions and appeals, and before even attempting to discuss the situation with the players. It’s likely that the NFL has painted themselves into the proverbial corner. If they can prove otherwise, I’m more than willing to accept it and move on – but they tried to sell me a story and I bit at first. Now I want to take them to task to prove their damning accusations or to reduce the penalties to be commensurate with the actual, known and admitted violations. (Read the coach’s statements more carefully and within the context of the accusations at the time. Also note that Williams’ original statement was rejected by and re-written by the NFL)

Now Saints fans (and others who are paying attention) will see the rhetoric from the NFL has cooled down. No longer are they accusing “Pay-to-injure” or straight up “Bounty Program” – they are now only saying “Pay for Performance/Bounty Program” because that wording is correct regardless of whether the Saints had a PFP or a Bounty program. It’s well established that a PFP existed. “Bounty” not so well established – if we are defining this as placing money on specific targets. I recognize there are claims, but the evidence still leaves room for doubt, and I want to know.

So it becomes Williams choice not to say anything as it is his career or Vilma’s. Looking at the long term he has more to lose then Vilma as he can coach longer than Vilma can play.

Right or wrong, that is a reasonable assessment.

Now if we are looking for truth, that may or may not be the right thing to do.

Regarding the other statement, that Vilma believes that he is innocent. No he doesn’t, he believes that they don’t have the ability to prove it. That is what I take from his statements.

It will be interesting to see what happens with all of the lawsuits and legal wrangling.

Vilma denied offering $10,000. Vitt denied corroborating that any player offered money against specific players.

Vitt’s name is also on the “ledger” that says he offered 5,000 to take out Favre. Vitt denied that… called Goodell, and Goodell admitted that the 5,000 for Vitt was false (how can you admit that but still accept everything else on that ledger as 100% true?).

The other two the league claims corroborated the 10k were Cerullo (accuser) and Gregg Williams. According to Ginsberg… Cerullo already retracted his statements against the Saints. Williams hasn’t said anything because he’s being blocked by his lawyer since he’s suspended indefinitely… meaning if he speaks out against the NFL… he’s done.

That is only my guess, if anyone knows more I would love to know as I am curious as well.

2. It’s entirely proper for this to be sent, it helps the Motion to Dismiss, and I am somewhat surprised it took this long.

For good or bad, that is what twitter is. Don’t point your hate finger at Vilma because he used made up words and gramatical structure on twitter.

If you are going to pull out the hateraid card, you might want to be honest with yourself as to the reason.

Personally, I cant stand Twitter, but hope Vilma and his attorney crush the high commander Goodell in court.