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	<title>Comments on: In today&#8217;s NFL, players have every right to hold out</title>
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		<title>By: donaldduckmg42</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 21:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When a player holds out, he&#039;s basically saying &quot;Yep that&#039;s right, my signature on that last contract meant absolutely nothing. I did not agree to the contract.&quot; That&#039;s really what it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a player holds out, he&#8217;s basically saying &#8220;Yep that&#8217;s right, my signature on that last contract meant absolutely nothing. I did not agree to the contract.&#8221; That&#8217;s really what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: bmoreballbuster</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 02:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ED enjoy the 7.2M...it&#039;s the last credible payday you&#039;ll ever have, just wish it was deserved w/o your constant bitching. Yeah right...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ED enjoy the 7.2M&#8230;it&#8217;s the last credible payday you&#8217;ll ever have, just wish it was deserved w/o your constant bitching. Yeah right&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: qj1984</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[qj1984]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you think the Ravens are going to bend for Ed Reed you&#039;ve got another thing coming. I don&#039;t care if he is Ed Reed. The big difference between CJ2k and Revis are age. Ed Reed is 33 years old, injury plagues and consistently wavering about his future. The Ravens are not going to make high dollar long term commitment to that and you can count on one hand how many teams would. 

Reed is in for a rude awakening. No team is going to pay him Eric Weddle money, he&#039;s not going to get a long term deal, which means he&#039;s not going to collect a bunch of guaranteed money. The Ravens have likely already put out some feelers about Reeds value.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think the Ravens are going to bend for Ed Reed you&#8217;ve got another thing coming. I don&#8217;t care if he is Ed Reed. The big difference between CJ2k and Revis are age. Ed Reed is 33 years old, injury plagues and consistently wavering about his future. The Ravens are not going to make high dollar long term commitment to that and you can count on one hand how many teams would. </p>
<p>Reed is in for a rude awakening. No team is going to pay him Eric Weddle money, he&#8217;s not going to get a long term deal, which means he&#8217;s not going to collect a bunch of guaranteed money. The Ravens have likely already put out some feelers about Reeds value.</p>
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		<title>By: Match Point Floppy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Match Point Floppy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Or the players could just play the contract they sign..when they put their signature on a contract they’re agreeing to play for the length stated.&quot;

But the owners can cut them whenever they want to. Why don&#039;t the owners have to agree to pay them for the length stated?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or the players could just play the contract they sign..when they put their signature on a contract they’re agreeing to play for the length stated.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the owners can cut them whenever they want to. Why don&#8217;t the owners have to agree to pay them for the length stated?</p>
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		<title>By: covercorner</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bravo! It&#039;s about time you had this epiphany. The teams have been terminating contracts since there were contracts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo! It&#8217;s about time you had this epiphany. The teams have been terminating contracts since there were contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: backindasaddle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[backindasaddle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In today’s NFL, players have every right to hold out&quot;
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In todays NFL every player makes far far FAR more money than 99% of the rest of the population. They may have the &quot;right&quot; to hold out..... but they sure as hell don&#039;t get any compassion or sympathy from me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In today’s NFL, players have every right to hold out&#8221;<br />
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<p>In todays NFL every player makes far far FAR more money than 99% of the rest of the population. They may have the &#8220;right&#8221; to hold out&#8230;.. but they sure as hell don&#8217;t get any compassion or sympathy from me.</p>
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		<title>By: austinwhodat</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ooops press entered by mistake ...

But make not mistake, owners DO NOT pay more than a player is worth, i.e., market value.  I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that fans (i.e., normal &quot;not rich&quot; Americans) are simply haters!  They are flat out jealous!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops press entered by mistake &#8230;</p>
<p>But make not mistake, owners DO NOT pay more than a player is worth, i.e., market value.  I&#8217;ve come to the conclusion that fans (i.e., normal &#8220;not rich&#8221; Americans) are simply haters!  They are flat out jealous!</p>
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		<title>By: austinwhodat</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 00:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gordyb7 says: Jul 13, 2012 3:07 PM

Great points.

A contract is NOT a MORAL agreement that says “I will show up no matter what and if I don’t, then I’m a greedy selfish bad person”.

A contract is a BUSINESS agreement which states the terms of compensation IF a player chooses to play and IF a team chooses to keep him on the roster, and what happens IF either party freely chooses not to.

Players are just as free to hold out their services for a better offer as teams are to cut players and offer to bring them back at a lower salary, but too often fans and the media are quick to demonize or judge a player as being “greedy”.

If you really believe in a free market, that means neither party is morally obligated to make a particular business decision.
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OMG!!! You are so right!  I&#039;ve said that many times before, albeit in a different way.  I love your morality vs business comparison.  But make not mistake, owners DO NOT]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gordyb7 says: Jul 13, 2012 3:07 PM</p>
<p>Great points.</p>
<p>A contract is NOT a MORAL agreement that says “I will show up no matter what and if I don’t, then I’m a greedy selfish bad person”.</p>
<p>A contract is a BUSINESS agreement which states the terms of compensation IF a player chooses to play and IF a team chooses to keep him on the roster, and what happens IF either party freely chooses not to.</p>
<p>Players are just as free to hold out their services for a better offer as teams are to cut players and offer to bring them back at a lower salary, but too often fans and the media are quick to demonize or judge a player as being “greedy”.</p>
<p>If you really believe in a free market, that means neither party is morally obligated to make a particular business decision.<br />
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OMG!!! You are so right!  I&#8217;ve said that many times before, albeit in a different way.  I love your morality vs business comparison.  But make not mistake, owners DO NOT</p>
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		<title>By: josh928</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 23:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or the players could just play the contract they sign..when they put their signature on a contract they&#039;re agreeing to play for the length stated. I doubt it says anywhere in the contract &quot;the length is only a suggestion. If u turn out to be a really good player u should prolly just holdout and demand more money.&quot; If ur good enough and ur team likes u, they can restructure...but it&#039;s not very fair to say oh I rushed for 1500 yards in my second year, that makes my contract unfair. Pay me more]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or the players could just play the contract they sign..when they put their signature on a contract they&#8217;re agreeing to play for the length stated. I doubt it says anywhere in the contract &#8220;the length is only a suggestion. If u turn out to be a really good player u should prolly just holdout and demand more money.&#8221; If ur good enough and ur team likes u, they can restructure&#8230;but it&#8217;s not very fair to say oh I rushed for 1500 yards in my second year, that makes my contract unfair. Pay me more</p>
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		<title>By: nmking26</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jtbndy says: Jul 13, 2012 3:07 PM

Players always cite the whole “outperforming rookie contracts” as a legitimate reason for holding out. That’s fine, but what about when you significantly underperform you contract?

If players can hold out when they overperform a contract, why can’t teams “hold out” when those players grossly underperform their contract?

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Um...it&#039;s called getting cut. Teams cut players who are under performing every day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jtbndy says: Jul 13, 2012 3:07 PM</p>
<p>Players always cite the whole “outperforming rookie contracts” as a legitimate reason for holding out. That’s fine, but what about when you significantly underperform you contract?</p>
<p>If players can hold out when they overperform a contract, why can’t teams “hold out” when those players grossly underperform their contract?</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Um&#8230;it&#8217;s called getting cut. Teams cut players who are under performing every day.</p>
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		<title>By: rockthered1286</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reed has a fragile ego and does this every year. &quot;show me you love me by paying me&quot; is all it is. Extension? Sure. More money? You&#039;re a free safety coming off a subpar season dipping out of tackles and plagued by injuries. If you seriously think that warrants more money...

And that&#039;s coming from a Ravens fan by the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reed has a fragile ego and does this every year. &#8220;show me you love me by paying me&#8221; is all it is. Extension? Sure. More money? You&#8217;re a free safety coming off a subpar season dipping out of tackles and plagued by injuries. If you seriously think that warrants more money&#8230;</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s coming from a Ravens fan by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: granadafan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[granadafan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Players ought to just sign 2-3 year contracts, and reassess market conditions after that.  Most of these players blew the big signing bonus and upfront money.  Then they want to be paid the same big bucks from the 1st year throughout the length of the contract.  These mental midgets don&#039;t realize that the contracts are not divided equally throughout the years.  If they demand more money the first year, then there will be less money during the remaining years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Players ought to just sign 2-3 year contracts, and reassess market conditions after that.  Most of these players blew the big signing bonus and upfront money.  Then they want to be paid the same big bucks from the 1st year throughout the length of the contract.  These mental midgets don&#8217;t realize that the contracts are not divided equally throughout the years.  If they demand more money the first year, then there will be less money during the remaining years.</p>
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		<title>By: rpiotr01</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Depends on the player. Ed Reed should do whatever he wants. He&#039;s played a long time, made a lot of dough and had a bunch of neck injuries too. If it&#039;s really only worth it to him to do that particular job for a certain amount of money, then I totally agree with him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depends on the player. Ed Reed should do whatever he wants. He&#8217;s played a long time, made a lot of dough and had a bunch of neck injuries too. If it&#8217;s really only worth it to him to do that particular job for a certain amount of money, then I totally agree with him.</p>
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		<title>By: mrpilsner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrpilsner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow. An attorney joining the chorus that a signed contract does not require fulfillment... really?

And this is how business works amongst &quot;professional&quot; athletes?

What&#039;s the difference between this and some kid holding his breath until he gets his way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. An attorney joining the chorus that a signed contract does not require fulfillment&#8230; really?</p>
<p>And this is how business works amongst &#8220;professional&#8221; athletes?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the difference between this and some kid holding his breath until he gets his way?</p>
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		<title>By: farty5</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing forgotten in all of this is that Ed Reed doesn&#039;t have an agent.

If he was really upset over his contract, he would hire a representative to work on it. Otherwise, he&#039;s just peeing down his leg.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing forgotten in all of this is that Ed Reed doesn&#8217;t have an agent.</p>
<p>If he was really upset over his contract, he would hire a representative to work on it. Otherwise, he&#8217;s just peeing down his leg.</p>
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		<title>By: geo1113</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[treesloth16 says: 
Jul 13, 2012 2:43 PM 
HAHAHAHA. Love your response, Florio. 

I hate Ashley Fox’s hypocrisy. She’s never played a down of NFL football and thinks we’ll eat up what she says cuz she’s got a cute little avatar.
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Florio never played a down either, so would you call him a hypocrite too.  He said he had an epiphany last months which means he had a different opinion before that.  Fox gave what we call an opinion.  Fox has a &quot;cute little avatar&quot; and is employed by ESPN to give her opinion.  Florio has a website and gives his opinion.  And both have been successful.  Fox worked hard and got a better job.  Florio worked hard to create this website which he eventually sold to NBC.  Neither are hypocrites.  They have opinions.  You obviously have an opnion on the subject, so let me ask you this.  Have you ever played a down in the NFL?  If not, what does that make you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>treesloth16 says:<br />
Jul 13, 2012 2:43 PM<br />
HAHAHAHA. Love your response, Florio. </p>
<p>I hate Ashley Fox’s hypocrisy. She’s never played a down of NFL football and thinks we’ll eat up what she says cuz she’s got a cute little avatar.<br />
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<p>Florio never played a down either, so would you call him a hypocrite too.  He said he had an epiphany last months which means he had a different opinion before that.  Fox gave what we call an opinion.  Fox has a &#8220;cute little avatar&#8221; and is employed by ESPN to give her opinion.  Florio has a website and gives his opinion.  And both have been successful.  Fox worked hard and got a better job.  Florio worked hard to create this website which he eventually sold to NBC.  Neither are hypocrites.  They have opinions.  You obviously have an opnion on the subject, so let me ask you this.  Have you ever played a down in the NFL?  If not, what does that make you?</p>
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		<title>By: daaabears</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have to agree with the article. I don&#039;t know anymore what the average career is (used to be a tad over 5 yrs.), but you are playing likely half of your career on the rookie wage scale. 
 I also think the union got fleeced on the 4 yr. rookie wage scale. Maybe they didn&#039;t care because it would not apply to any of them. If true the owners took huge advantage here.
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To pitch87; 
  Your first paragraph is not hypothetical...that&#039;s Lance Briggs every three years, but point taken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to agree with the article. I don&#8217;t know anymore what the average career is (used to be a tad over 5 yrs.), but you are playing likely half of your career on the rookie wage scale.<br />
 I also think the union got fleeced on the 4 yr. rookie wage scale. Maybe they didn&#8217;t care because it would not apply to any of them. If true the owners took huge advantage here.<br />
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To pitch87;<br />
  Your first paragraph is not hypothetical&#8230;that&#8217;s Lance Briggs every three years, but point taken.</p>
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		<title>By: FinFan68</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bull.  Players get those big contracts with an expectation that they will perform up to a certain level. If they don&#039;t perform, they should get cut but some don&#039;t.  Very rarely is a player cut (while still performing at a high level) because a team can&#039;t afford their salary.  In those rare instances, the players almost immediately get signed on with a new team.  Teams also have the ability to draw up a new contract early without the player even threatening to hold out--and they do this all the time but it is rarely noticed.  

What Revis did/is about to do is despicable.  Ed Reed is already making what he deserves.  He has been a great player but if a restructure is warranted it should be for less money rather than more.  He still plays well but not as good as he used to.  His injury history/age lead a reasonable person to believe his value is declining not going up.  

When is the last time a holdout has resulted in an increase in performance? Rarely has a player that holds out even maintained his previous performance in the year of the holdout.  

While your diatribe mentions that players get paid more by holding out, I couldn&#039;t help but notice your omission of whether or not the player actually deserved more money or if they performed to a level worthy of the new contract once they got it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bull.  Players get those big contracts with an expectation that they will perform up to a certain level. If they don&#8217;t perform, they should get cut but some don&#8217;t.  Very rarely is a player cut (while still performing at a high level) because a team can&#8217;t afford their salary.  In those rare instances, the players almost immediately get signed on with a new team.  Teams also have the ability to draw up a new contract early without the player even threatening to hold out&#8211;and they do this all the time but it is rarely noticed.  </p>
<p>What Revis did/is about to do is despicable.  Ed Reed is already making what he deserves.  He has been a great player but if a restructure is warranted it should be for less money rather than more.  He still plays well but not as good as he used to.  His injury history/age lead a reasonable person to believe his value is declining not going up.  </p>
<p>When is the last time a holdout has resulted in an increase in performance? Rarely has a player that holds out even maintained his previous performance in the year of the holdout.  </p>
<p>While your diatribe mentions that players get paid more by holding out, I couldn&#8217;t help but notice your omission of whether or not the player actually deserved more money or if they performed to a level worthy of the new contract once they got it.</p>
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		<title>By: bearsstillsuck</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m old fashioned I guess. If you sign a contract, you should honor it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m old fashioned I guess. If you sign a contract, you should honor it.</p>
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		<title>By: steelernationisthepinnacleofexistenceyouarenothing</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/in-todays-nfl-players-have-every-right-to-hold-out/#comment-1877392</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steelernationisthepinnacleofexistenceyouarenothing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again, the Steelers continue to prove their superiority over the league in just about every case. When will other teams start taking notes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, the Steelers continue to prove their superiority over the league in just about every case. When will other teams start taking notes?</p>
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		<title>By: irisht53</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/13/in-todays-nfl-players-have-every-right-to-hold-out/#comment-1877387</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If holdouts become perfectly acceptable, why not just get rid of long term deals all together? Instead, have the rule be that a player cannot be signed longer than 2 seasons (so, right now, the longest any player could be signed for is thru the 2013 season). That way the team would be encouraged to resign/extend all of it&#039;s key players, every year, to make sure they do not become UFA&#039;s at the end of the next season. Player&#039;s would always be encouraged to play their best (I believe 98% or more do anyways, but no more Haynesworth situations) to make sure they get paid.

I&#039;m tired of players complaining they&#039;re ONLY getting $3 million this year, however when they signed that contract, the average payout was $6 or $7 million a year, and got $15-$20 million up front. Players LOVE long term deals when they cash that signing bonus check, but are not too keen on them when there&#039;s 2 or 3 years left and they&#039;re base salary puts them in the bottom half of starters at their position.

Every once in a while there&#039;s a valid complaint of over playing the contract (Chris Johnson, Revis the first time), but too often you have an Ed Reed or MJD situation come up, where the overall contract value is still about right, the player just doesn&#039;t like the last couple years.

There&#039;s a risk for GMs and Owners too. If the player busts, the GM may lose his job because he cannot sign other players that will help his team. For the owner, they dump $20 - $40 mil of guaranteed cash for a player, and sometimes never see anywhere close to a return of investment. Granted, those risks are not the bodily harm that the players risk, which is much more dangerous. All of those risks; player, GM, owner; are all a part of the path chosen by the person.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If holdouts become perfectly acceptable, why not just get rid of long term deals all together? Instead, have the rule be that a player cannot be signed longer than 2 seasons (so, right now, the longest any player could be signed for is thru the 2013 season). That way the team would be encouraged to resign/extend all of it&#8217;s key players, every year, to make sure they do not become UFA&#8217;s at the end of the next season. Player&#8217;s would always be encouraged to play their best (I believe 98% or more do anyways, but no more Haynesworth situations) to make sure they get paid.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of players complaining they&#8217;re ONLY getting $3 million this year, however when they signed that contract, the average payout was $6 or $7 million a year, and got $15-$20 million up front. Players LOVE long term deals when they cash that signing bonus check, but are not too keen on them when there&#8217;s 2 or 3 years left and they&#8217;re base salary puts them in the bottom half of starters at their position.</p>
<p>Every once in a while there&#8217;s a valid complaint of over playing the contract (Chris Johnson, Revis the first time), but too often you have an Ed Reed or MJD situation come up, where the overall contract value is still about right, the player just doesn&#8217;t like the last couple years.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a risk for GMs and Owners too. If the player busts, the GM may lose his job because he cannot sign other players that will help his team. For the owner, they dump $20 &#8211; $40 mil of guaranteed cash for a player, and sometimes never see anywhere close to a return of investment. Granted, those risks are not the bodily harm that the players risk, which is much more dangerous. All of those risks; player, GM, owner; are all a part of the path chosen by the person.</p>
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		<title>By: gordyb7</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great points.  

A contract is NOT a MORAL agreement that says &quot;I will show up no matter what and if I don&#039;t, then I&#039;m a greedy selfish bad person&quot;. 

A contract is a BUSINESS agreement which states the terms of compensation IF a player chooses to play and IF a team chooses to keep him on the roster, and what happens IF either party freely chooses not to.  

Players are just as free to hold out their services for a better offer as teams are to cut players and offer to bring them back at a lower salary, but too often fans and the media are quick to demonize or judge a player as being &quot;greedy&quot;.  

If you really believe in a free market, that means neither party is morally obligated to make a particular business decision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points.  </p>
<p>A contract is NOT a MORAL agreement that says &#8220;I will show up no matter what and if I don&#8217;t, then I&#8217;m a greedy selfish bad person&#8221;. </p>
<p>A contract is a BUSINESS agreement which states the terms of compensation IF a player chooses to play and IF a team chooses to keep him on the roster, and what happens IF either party freely chooses not to.  </p>
<p>Players are just as free to hold out their services for a better offer as teams are to cut players and offer to bring them back at a lower salary, but too often fans and the media are quick to demonize or judge a player as being &#8220;greedy&#8221;.  </p>
<p>If you really believe in a free market, that means neither party is morally obligated to make a particular business decision.</p>
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		<title>By: jtbndy</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Players always cite the whole &quot;outperforming rookie contracts&quot; as a legitimate reason for holding out.  That&#039;s fine, but what about when you significantly underperform you contract?

If players can hold out when they overperform a contract, why can&#039;t teams &quot;hold out&quot; when those players grossly underperform their contract?

All this stuff needs to stop in my opinion.  As a player, sign a contract and play through it.  At the end, if you outperform, use that to your advantage at that time, not 1/2 way through your current contract.  As a team, stop pandering to whiny players.  Don&#039;t concede and negotiate extensions mid contract, let them hold out if they want to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Players always cite the whole &#8220;outperforming rookie contracts&#8221; as a legitimate reason for holding out.  That&#8217;s fine, but what about when you significantly underperform you contract?</p>
<p>If players can hold out when they overperform a contract, why can&#8217;t teams &#8220;hold out&#8221; when those players grossly underperform their contract?</p>
<p>All this stuff needs to stop in my opinion.  As a player, sign a contract and play through it.  At the end, if you outperform, use that to your advantage at that time, not 1/2 way through your current contract.  As a team, stop pandering to whiny players.  Don&#8217;t concede and negotiate extensions mid contract, let them hold out if they want to.</p>
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		<title>By: zaggs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zaggs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Businessmen don’t simply trip into success (although some are born into it); they make shrewd decisions, based on the realities of any given situation with which they’re faced.&quot;

Um, probably.  But most don&#039;t become rich by reneging on their deals and contracts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Businessmen don’t simply trip into success (although some are born into it); they make shrewd decisions, based on the realities of any given situation with which they’re faced.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um, probably.  But most don&#8217;t become rich by reneging on their deals and contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: chuckbednarik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbednarik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hallelujah]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallelujah</p>
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		<title>By: damnprofitablemarketing</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree... hold out and get the most out of it. Good for Brees!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree&#8230; hold out and get the most out of it. Good for Brees!</p>
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		<title>By: Lonely Libertarian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lonely Libertarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a way to stop this game of &quot;chicken&quot; - some team needs to bite the bullet and tell a player they will not negotiate - period.  And further that if the player misses camp or any part of the season they will not be reinstated in their old starting role once they return.

The player can then sit out and give up the income.

The most likely options for this solution would seem to be an aging veteran who has only a year or two left to play [Ed Reed] or younger player who plays a position with lots of viable alternatives [Mike Wallace]

Once this happens players and their agents will take contracts more seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a way to stop this game of &#8220;chicken&#8221; &#8211; some team needs to bite the bullet and tell a player they will not negotiate &#8211; period.  And further that if the player misses camp or any part of the season they will not be reinstated in their old starting role once they return.</p>
<p>The player can then sit out and give up the income.</p>
<p>The most likely options for this solution would seem to be an aging veteran who has only a year or two left to play [Ed Reed] or younger player who plays a position with lots of viable alternatives [Mike Wallace]</p>
<p>Once this happens players and their agents will take contracts more seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: myeaglescantwin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[myeaglescantwin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 19:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[100% agree with the headline. 

in this NFL there is no loyalty on the teams behalf. Once a team feels the player under performs they want to restructure the contract or cut the player. 
These owners are all about profit. from the 18 games to TV timeouts,, they have sold out to greed. 
Look at players like Westbrook or Tautupo.. they suck the life out of these players and then cut their loses.

when you are top notch player, you hold all the cards... Ray Rice, Ed Reed, Brees, everyone should hold out to get the guaranteed contract they deserve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100% agree with the headline. </p>
<p>in this NFL there is no loyalty on the teams behalf. Once a team feels the player under performs they want to restructure the contract or cut the player.<br />
These owners are all about profit. from the 18 games to TV timeouts,, they have sold out to greed.<br />
Look at players like Westbrook or Tautupo.. they suck the life out of these players and then cut their loses.</p>
<p>when you are top notch player, you hold all the cards&#8230; Ray Rice, Ed Reed, Brees, everyone should hold out to get the guaranteed contract they deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: jagsfanugh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jagsfanugh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MJD can hold out if so chooses too. Good luck though if does as the GM has already stated his contract will not be renegotiated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJD can hold out if so chooses too. Good luck though if does as the GM has already stated his contract will not be renegotiated.</p>
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		<title>By: nflofficeadmin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only catch is... you have to be an outstanding player in order for it to work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only catch is&#8230; you have to be an outstanding player in order for it to work.</p>
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