James Harrison doesn’t know who Ken Stabler is

AP

Before the question can be asked regarding whether current players care about former players, the first question is whether the current players even know who the former players are.

Earlier this week, a concussion lawsuit led by former Raiders quarterback Ken Stabler pointed to the fact that the league’s Super Bowl XLVI commercial regarding decades of changes to the rules fails to mention “how recidivist violators like James Harrison (who has had five illegal hits on quarterbacks in three seasons) are allowed to continue to play the game.”

We noticed that language, appearing at paragraph 145 and page 65 of the 209-paragraph, 80-page complaint, we mentioned it, Alan Robinson of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review repeated it, and Harrison was asked about it on Thursday by Tim Benz of WXDX radio.

Here’s the relevant exchange.

Benz:  “James, are you aware of the story about the lawsuit mentioning your name in Philadelphia and if so what’s your reaction to it?”

Harrison:  “I’m not aware of it.”

Benz:  “Ken Stabler and some of the other former pro football players in a concussion suit referenced you as a guy that was a repeat offender and maybe should be out of the game.  When you hear former players say that about you –”

Harrison:  “Who is — Ken who?”

Benz:  “Ken Stabler.”

Harrison:  “Who is that?”

Benz:  “Former Raider quarterback.”

Harrison:  “Never heard of him.  His opinion doesn’t matter to me.”

Frankly, Stabler’s opinion shouldn’t matter to Harrison.  But it’s a little surprising that Harrison has never heard of the guy.

We realize that plenty of the men who play pro football aren’t passionate fans of the game.  And we don’t expect football players to be football historians.  But for a key member of the Steelers to not know the name of a Super Bowl-era quarterback who won a Super Bowl and who played quarterback in some of the most celebrated games in Steelers history is a little strange.

Then again, if Ken Stabler’s opinion doesn’t matter to Harrison, mine definitely doesn’t.

“Who is — Mike who?”

120 responses to “James Harrison doesn’t know who Ken Stabler is

  1. I don’t either. But every quarter back in the league knows who james harrison is, not matter how much goodell tries to water down the game.

  2. Bad as Harrison is he’s still more qualified to coach high school football than Favre.

  3. This Guy is a Effin Douche Bag, I never liked the guy @ all. When he turned down the opportunity to meet the President is when I knew he was Dumb as Horse Sh*t.

    And it’s true a lot of people in general, not just football players that don’t know who Ken is.

    But C’mon Kenny “The Snake” Stabler is well know through out the World you Moron.

    Signed a Raiders fan.

  4. Harrison, once your done with football, if that time hasnt arrived already, all you will be qualified to do is work in a car wash, so you acting arrogant makes us all laugh. Your future looks bad dude.

  5. Typical Raider……..always blaming a Steeler for their short comings. Ken Stabler…….soft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. Harrison was 6 years old when Stabler retired. Stabler is not Hall of Famer, hes considered an all time great at his position, nor did he play for the same organization as Harrison. I wouldn’t expect him to know who he is or care.

  7. I don’t agree with the lawyer who wrote that up and singled out Harrison for some reason, but for Harrison to try to bigtime Stabler with the tired, old, lame “who’s that” bit is laughable.

    Stabler had a superior career to what Harrison has had. No doubt Harrison was a good player as well and is still a pretty good player, but come on. Let’s be serious.

  8. *Stephen A. Smith voice*

    To DIS-RESPECT…….. a man like KEN……. STABLER……..QUITE FRANKLY, is completely RepRehensible……. HOWEVA……. we should never be surprised when…….. a man like… James HARR-ISSON, does not know something!

  9. Isn’t “[Name] Who?” a pretty standard comeback when reporters tell players someone has said something about them? Trust me, he could have said much worse.

  10. Ken Stabler whining about players who don’t play by the rules….LMAO!!!! Just watch some of the old NFL Films of the Raiders of his era. Chock full of brutal hits and chop blocks and hits to the head etc. ALL DONE BY MEMBERS OF HIS OWN TEAM!!! Shut up Stabler!!

  11. I regret rooting for the Steelers in Super Bowl 43. I shouldn’t have let the Cardinals 9-7 record bother me so much now that it’s common for Super Bowl winners to sandbag it until the playoffs.

    Harrison is a goon. He should learn about the game that made him rich and famous.

  12. “Never heard of him. His opinion doesn’t matter to me.”

    Harrison plays dumb, he knows who ken stabler is, but he’s sending a message, which is, he doesnt care. If he doesnt care about what rodger goodell thinks of him, what makes anyone think stabler would be any different. Harrison DOES care what his teamates think, and really thats all that matters. I do appreciate his last of a dying breed smash mouth style of play. Alot of people disagree… i guess we’ll find out by how many thumbs down i get…

  13. People just love to hate. Even florio, you use that pic for every story of harrison. I get it, he plays too tough for the new direction of the league. you like to make fun of him however you can, but you seem to he was named defensive player of the year just a few years ago for the exact same style of play, yet there wasn’t a peep from the crowd about being dirty or head-hunting or any of that crap. Now you guys just regurgitate from goodell and florio’s talking points.

  14. I don’t understand all the fuss….this is James Harrison we’re talking about…this guy doesn’t know anything about anything.

  15. Ironic how Stabler suggests that Harrison should be kicked out of the league considering some of the headhunters he had as teammates in his career. Hypocrisy much?

  16. When Lennie Wilkins coached the Atlanta Hawks, a reporter asked one of his players about Wilkins as a player, and the player said “Coach – you played?”

    Players tend to know much less about the history of the game than fans – fact. Most of them never went to a pro game before getting signed, and didn’t even watch on TV.

  17. Of course he dosen’t know who Ken Stabler is. I mean if he is to stupid to know the rules of the game, why expect to know anything else.

  18. All James Harrison needs to know is how to put you quarterback out of the game! Let’s face it, that’s the REAL reason all you people are banging on him. Go Debo!! Make all them qb’s make woman noises as you bust their heads!!!

  19. I wish the fans could vote players in and out of the league. This turd would be gone. Ill be glad when he joins L.T and Joey freakin Porter in the old folks home.

  20. Obviously he knows who Ken Stabler is. He wasn’t hired for his disposition.

    To be fair the fine for the hit on Brees was bull fertilizer.

  21. Lol..that’s awesome..so what..was the whole world expect James to know this Ken Stabler guy?…NFL..stands for not for long..many many players come and go..Played a Madden 04 NFL game just for fun and couldn’t remember most of the players on my favorite team..James isn’t the only one.. I think most players don’t remember a lot unless ur Aikmen Bradshaw Boomer or Marino..

  22. That’s a standard Harrison reply to criticism. He always rolls his eyes, acts as though he’s never heard of the guy, waves it off, and says “Next.” He may or may not know who Stabler is–as someone mentioned, he was six when Stabler retired. But I’d have expected the same response if the lawsuit had been filed by Montana … or even Brady. That’s just Harrison’s schtick.

    Personally, I think Stabler belongs in the Hall … and that nonsense about recidivist players (gee, Kenny, you mean like your old teammate Tatum?) belongs in the garbage.

  23. Stabler & company are doing the typical “Grand Standing” to help drive their case. I find it comical that he waited 30 years to file a claim & then uses players who he didn’t even play against in his argument! What a Dumb A$$!!

  24. gf19711 says: Jul 26, 2012 6:40 PM

    Ironic how Stabler suggests that Harrison should be kicked out of the league considering some of the headhunters he had as teammates in his career. Hypocrisy much?
    ————————

    His point isn’t that there weren’t dirty head hunting players in his time. His point is that Goodell keeps saying he’s ‘cleaning the game up’, yet lets people who everyone KNOWS are dirty head hunters keep on playing.

    And to you guys who say ‘Harrison was 6 when Stabler retired’, I’m 30 years old now. I was not a football fan until the late 90s, am not a Raiders fan and I STILL know who Ken Stabler is.

  25. You realize current players are not fans or historians eh? One wonders if this meathead has ANY sense of the long, storied history of these two teams, as separate franchises and as fight-to-the-echo-of-the-whistle rivals, and more importantly why he willingly admits his ignorance. Maybe, after they introduce themselves, Mean Joe, Dwight, Rocky, Hamm, Franco and Smiling Jack could take this empty vessel aside and inform him that he stands on the shoulders of GIANTS. It is doubtful he would care, but he should.

  26. If you don’t know who Ken Stabler and you’re a football “fan” then… Well I’m not sure what to say to you, but perhaps you shouldn’t talk football… or breath… or take up space…

  27. If I had the chance to hang out with one of these guys, I’d pick Kenny Stabler in a heartbeat. But it’s easy to see why Harrison isn’t a fan of his. Stabler is suggesting that Harrison be permanently barred from the game. Had some long-since-retired player said the same about him during his playing days, how would Stabler have responded? Without a doubt much like Harrison did here.

  28. tharoostah says:
    Jul 26, 2012 6:12 PM

    Harrison was 6 years old when Stabler retired. Stabler is not Hall of Famer, hes considered an all time great at his position, nor did he play for the same organization as Harrison. I wouldn’t expect him to know who he is or care.
    ————————————————

    And by the same token, people like Bobby Layne, Marion Motley, and Steve van Buren were all retired before I was even born- let alone 6 years old- and yet I know who *they* were. Seems like a lot of younger people today (or just plain dumber people, like Harrison) have no clue whatsoever about anything or anyone that existed before they came along. Sad.

  29. Leave the guy alone. He’s just a big dumb guy who chases the quarterback.
    I wouldn’t expect that he knows much of anything else.

    At some unknown point in the future, it will be “James who??’…
    And that point will certainly come sooner than Stabler’s did….

  30. autumn:

    Stabler might have had a superior career, but don’t act like it’s by much. Harrison has two rings, a DPOY, should have a second, arguably the greatest play in SB history, and he isn’t done yet. Oh yeah, fun fact of the day; only two players in NFL history with 100 tackles, 10 sacks, and 5 forced fumbles in a season. Lawrence Taylor and James Harrison, and Harrison did it twice! At his best, he is the best linebacker I’VE ever seen outside of Ray Lewis and Derrick Thomas.

    And to the point of Harrison not knowing who Stabler is. Who cares? These guys don’t sit around all day looking up football stats like Stump the Shwab. They have practice and meetings and studying and public appearances and interviews and endorsement ads and the gym and rehab and their families to tend to. My family is good friends with Matt Wilhelm and his family. Last summer I was golfing with him and we were talking about if he thought he’d get signed. I told him as long as he doesn’t go to Baltimore, because I hate them. He asked me why, and I said because I’m a Steelers fan. He didn’t really get it. Point is, these guys don’t give a crap about following this stuff like we do.

  31. Stabler is just another RAIDER who belongs in the Hall of Fame but is getting snubbed for being a RAIDER.

    Harrison is a great player, but there is no question about his intellect.

    Slim to none.

  32. I love James Harrison. Not because he makes big hits that bang people around — but because he plays football with intensity and heart. Football is about imposing one’s will – and Silverback balls like a monstah!

  33. You’re a tool Harrison. Don’t know who Stabler is? I’ll tell you fool. He ‘s was the QB on the team that kicked your team’s a*s more often than not, that’s who.

    There was ONE team the Steelers knew would be more physical than them – Oakland. There was ONE team Pittsburgh feared – Oakland. Check out the footage of John Villa taking it to Jack Lambert when Lambert thought he was going to intimidate Raider RB Clarence Davis. Sorry, Jack those were not the Cowboys you were dealing with.

    Get a clue Harrison. I hope you’ve been saving some of game checks. You’re going to need it when you’re working the drive through lane at McDonalds after your playing days are over.

  34. I think Harrison has heard of him, but in a effort to be dismissive of the man who called for his banishment, Mr. Harrison pretended not to know his name. A Raider of more interest to Mr. Harrison from that era was Lyle Alzado. Hope you enjoy your retirement you POS.

  35. “kuta82 says:
    Lol..that’s awesome..so what..was the whole world expect James to know this Ken Stabler guy?…NFL..stands for not for long..many many players come and go..Played a Madden 04 NFL game just for fun and couldn’t remember most of the players on my favorite team..James isn’t the only one.. I think most players don’t remember a lot unless ur Aikmen Bradshaw Boomer or Marino..
    ____________________________________

    Let’s hope your job isn’t as an historian.

  36. Harrison is a mongoloid . just not sure if its from football . roids or if he is just stuck on stupid naturally ?

    maybe he could star in a cartoon movie . he looks like grape ape

  37. The thing is, 5 years ago he DID know Ken Stabler. Leading with your head can make a person forget things.

  38. It’s ironic that football as we know it will
    be ruined by former players who played and
    profited so greatly from it. For many of these payers, football was a way out, to make something of themselves.
    To once walk on the field and be adored like demi-gods, and now come back and cry foul
    strikes me as disingenuous and disrespectful.
    I’m tired of these former players who we cheered on, and who were well compensated now claiming that they didn’t know the risks. Were they fools or tools?
    Stabler was a snake then, and an even bigger snake now. Find another way to pay your IRS bills Kenny.
    Your time has come and gone, stop looking for a handout.

  39. When Harrison’s days are done, nobody will remember him either

    I am sure we will here plenty of “no that was Joey Porter” comments though

  40. @villa

    Boy, you completely re-wrote history. The Steelers didn’t fear the Raiders. Not at all. And did you know that Stabler’s career record vs Pittsburgh was 6-7, playoffs included? I believe he was exactly .500 vs the Steelers when w/ Oakland, including 2-3 in the playoffs.

    That’s not much a*s kicking, man. Pittsburgh won the war in the 1970’s and Oakland lost. It was brutal, but your boys will always be the really tough team that just wasn’t as good or as tough as the Steelers’ dynasty was.

  41. If it isn’t already abundantly clear from the behavior of NFL players for, what, at least a decade or more, most of them would be working at a car wash if it wasn’t for their football skills.

    I challenge anyone to make the case otherwise.

  42. I got to give him some credit. That would be the best way to answer that question. I don’t know who you are, so your opinion doesn’t matter to me. Keep doing your job, playing football like an ideal Defensive End should.

  43. bleedgreen says: Jul 26, 2012 6:54 PM

    His point isn’t that there weren’t dirty head hunting players in his time. His point is that Goodell keeps saying he’s ‘cleaning the game up’, yet lets people who everyone KNOWS are dirty head hunters keep on playing.

    And to you guys who say ‘Harrison was 6 when Stabler retired’, I’m 30 years old now. I was not a football fan until the late 90s, am not a Raiders fan and I STILL know who Ken Stabler is.

    ————-

    No his point is making an example of a current player in order to further his own agenda when he played 30+ years ago and had teammates who actually WERE headhunters (hint: Harrison isn’t, you moron). If you don’t see the hypocrisy in that, you’re more stupid than you claim Harrison is.

  44. Thanks for the clarity, handofsweed. When I would watch the Steelers-Raiders, I actually would count the post-whistle hits by the Raiders. That was their normal procedure. Tatum? The very dirtiest player I have ever seen play. To compare him to anyone else is nosnsencical. And, I think the Mayor and council members did the officiating when the Steelers were in town.

  45. @ 1nationraidernation who said:
    i wonder if Big Ben knows who Richard Seymour is?

    ARE YOU ACTUALLY BRAGGING ABOUT A SUCKER PUNCH???

    That’s pitiful in and of itself, but your lame comment comes literally 4 minutes after you posted: “Of course he dosen’t know who Ken Stabler is. I mean if he is to stupid to know the rules of the game, why expect to know anything else.”

    Go get your G.E.D. — welfare won’t last forever.

  46. You could fill an entire library with things James Harrison doesn’t know

    *****************

    Yeah, the Library of congress

  47. Deb above made this point, but, even though I am no fan of James Harrison, at least he has yet to paralyze anybody for life. And write a book about it. And never apologize. Unlike Jack Tatum, who was Stabler’s teammate for eight years on the Raiders.

    So, Mr. Stabler, unless you’re out there criticizing what Jack did as a player, maybe you should stop the self-righteousness and not criticize Harrison or anyone else. After all, the Super Bowl which you won and which is part of your claim to fame was won with the help of “The Assasin.” Please sit down until you are willing to criticize EVERYBODY who made the game dangerous, past and present, on other teams as well as your own.

  48. Lotsa grumpy oldies posting here. Hate to break it to you but I’m a huge football fan but don’t know much about Ken Stabler, Harrison is a year younger than me. Heard of him but couldn’t say much more. No disrespect just never saw him play.

  49. he knows who ken stabler is hes just being a jerk since stabler made comments about him

  50. Gee I wonder why…

    His high school football ability was great, but his lack of maturity at times was a struggle. Harrison did not pay attention to his grades or college entrance tests, and by his senior year he had become disruptive to his football team. Early in his senior year, Coventry staff had to suspend him for two games for challenging an assistant coach to a fight. After he returned from his suspension, in his next game, he began the game by carrying 3 times for nearly 100 yards and 2 touchdowns. After his second TD, he ran down the opposing team’s sideline, and was ejected and later suspended for one game for making obscene gestures to the fans. Harrison was in court soon thereafter, after he shot a BB gun in the school locker room towards a defensive coach. He pled guilty to a minor charge and was able to return to school to finish his senior year. Due to his off-the-field issues, powerhouse football programs like Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Nebraska lost interest in him.

    Harrison played for Kent State University in Ohio where he wore uniform #16.

    Too dumb to be financially stable, he’ll be homeless and sueing the league in 10 years.

  51. The thing is when your generally considered to be a moron and you make a statement admitting your lack of knowledge it doesn’t take a great leap of faith to believe you sincerely making an effort to live up to the perception.

  52. WTF? KENNY STABLER is not in the HOF? did the d heads who vote ever see him play? holy sh%t what a joke. he was one of many who made the nfl EXPLODE in the 60s and 70s and made for the best games i and i’m sure many others have ever seen. raiders-steelers raiders-chiefs raiders-colts raiders-jets AND i’m a skins fan KENNY STABLER is not in the HOF. WTF?

  53. This is just for some of the “fans” hear (doubt Harrison was even serious) How can you call yourself a football fan and not know who Stabler is, I wasn’t even born when he played and I know who he is, he was a member of one of the more infamous teams of all time and was involved in some of the most legendary games that brought football to the level of popularity it is now(not that it wasn’t big then).

    End of rant lol

  54. Love all of these live in the past Raiders fans. Kenny Stabler is after money to support his alcohol habit. He’ll be dead from liver failure before he gets Alzheimer’s. It escapes me that a defense is supposed to walk I’ve to QB and tell him to lay down. They may as well start mewling now. Live in the past Raiders fans your organization will be obsolete too. No MENSA members living in Raiderville. Good luck wit Palmer!

  55. Isn’t this the same IDIOT who refused to visit the White House because he didn’t think OBAMA was a fan of the Steelers? Is there a stupider, more boorish player in the NFL today?

  56. Harrison is & will always be a complete jerk! He’s a cheap-shot artist always looking to hurt someone in a bad way…karma will bite him in his butt before his career is over…watch!!!

  57. You’ve accomplished something as a pass rusher when even QB’s that have been out of the game for decades are scared of you.

  58. Just one observation about players of the past, such as Jack Tatum, Mean Joe Greene, etc., is that they were considerably smaller. I used to think Joe Greene, Jack Lambert, L.C. Greenwood or the purple people eaters were huge, but when you see footage of them now, they look like division III special teams players. so it is different today than in the past a little bit. Therefore, that “hanging with the assassin”, beer-bellied, dope smokin’ Stabler may have a point.

  59. I had two thoughts while reading this article. The first one was that Harrison obviously does know who Ken Stabler is, a professional footballer couldn’t be that ignorant of the history of his chosen profession, he’s just pulling the tired “I’ve never heard of the guy who just dissed me” line.

    Then the second thought arrived which was “hold on a sec, Donovan McNabb didn’t even know games could end in a tie”.

  60. Com’n Stabler,
    I use to like watching The Snake throw or ROLL the ball into the endzone for 6. He was the best 2 minute QB ever , but I lost all respect for him now
    He was a member of the dirtiest team to ever step on the football field.
    Jack Tatum played with Stabler was the dirtiest player or cheap shot artist to ever play the game. He would always go for the head. I hope the family of Darryl Stingley sues the Raider Orginization ,their former players, and Ex coachJohn Madden.
    Stingly is who Tatum crippled and put in a wheelchair and ultimatley died because of his dirty play.
    .

  61. I don’t wish ill on many people but I really hope Harrison’s career ends with a crippling injury. The sooner the better.

  62. James Harrison also does not know enough not to throw his own QB under the bus in a magazine interview. He also does not know how to play clean football, avoid fines and suspensions, understand the NFL rulebook and not use his head when tackling.

    Karma can hit back like reconstructive knee surgery Jimmy.

  63. In addition to his long playing career in the NFL, Stabler is also a habitual drunk driver that doesn’t know how to pay his taxes. It has also been long believed that Stabler also set up a framed cocaine bust back in 1979 of a Sacramento sports writer that he was not fond of. The NFL looked into the incident at the time, but of course nothing ever came out of it. Stabler was first arrested in 1995 in Pensacola, Florida. He pleaded no contest to the charge. The Florida highway patrol reported at the time that Stabler recorded a blood-alcohol level of .12 percent and .125 percent on two breath tests. The legal limit in Florida at the time was .08 percent.
    In May of 2001 Stabler was arrested again in Orange Beach, Alabama for driving under the influence. He was also charged with illegal possession of prescription drug and reckless driving in addition. Stabler plead guilty to the DUI charge as part of a plea deal that resulted in the charges of drug possession and reckless
    driving being dropped. With two DUI charges already under his belt, Stabler was once again arrested in June of 2008 in Robertsdale, Alabama and charged with his third DUI. Stabler
    ended up spending the night in jail and was released on a $1,000 bond 12 hours
    after the arrest was made. Stabler ended up being acquitted of the charge in court after a judge said that the police and prosecutor did not prove their case. And you wonder why they call him “The Snake”? Stabler was once asked about all of his divorces, to which he replied, “All I wanna do is drive around in my truck and drink Jack Daniels… and they just don’t understand.”
    In 2006 Stabler was sued by the IRS because he owed over $500,000 in unpaid taxes. Stabler eventually reached a settlement with the government to pay off the back taxes in a deal called for the sale of two houses that he owned, one of which that his estranged wife lived in. Even after the sale of the two properties, Stabler still had a tax debt of over $250,000. He was reportedly put on a payment plan of sorts, but he will likely never pay off the balance based
    on his current income. That is of course if he doesn’t get any money in the lawsuit that he now has against the NFL. The lawsuit that claims that Harrison should be kicked out the league. Kind of ironic, don’t you think?

  64. jtdapit50 says:Jul 26, 2012 6:14 PM
    ” I do appreciate his last of a dying breed smash mouth style of play. Alot of people disagree… i guess we’ll find out by how many thumbs down i get…”

    No one has a problem with Patrick Willis… then again, he knows how to tackle and play smash mouth football without having to pose with pistols in a magazine.

  65. Turd History X: “His high school football ability was great, but his lack of maturity at times was a struggle. Harrison did not pay attention to his grades or college entrance tests, and by his senior year he had become disruptive to his football team. Early in his senior year, Coventry staff had to suspend him for two games for challenging an assistant coach to a fight. After he returned from his suspension, in his next game, he began the game by carrying 3 times for nearly 100 yards and 2 touchdowns. After his second TD, he ran down the opposing team’s sideline, and was ejected and later suspended for one game for making obscene gestures to the fans. Harrison was in court soon thereafter, after he shot a BB gun in the school locker room towards a defensive coach. He pled guilty to a minor charge and was able to return to school to finish his senior year. Due to his off-the-field issues, powerhouse football programs like Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Nebraska lost interest in him.”

  66. @handsofweed

    Steelers weren’t afraid of the Raiders? Why did Chuck Knoll feel the need to take them to court then? Pretending like the Steelers in those days weren’t as dirty… claimed their was a “criminal element” to Oakland’s style of play and they were too rough. What a joke and a bunch of pansies haha. That case was thrown out.

    And are you including the immaculate deception in the record between the two teams?

  67. Hell, most of the readers of this website don’t know who Kenny Stabler is. But I do.
    Stabler is the the Raiders’ all-time leading passer, with one Super Bowl victory to top his Raider career off. With 19 fourth-quarter comebacks and 26 game-winning drives, there isn’t a Raider quarterback in team history who was more clutch.

    He had one All-Pro selection and four Pro Bowls for all his his efforts as well.

  68. Harrison is disappointed to just learn that Bill Cowher is no longer the Steelers coach.

    And he’s been trying to find Lynn Swann in the clubhouse.

    Where are his anti-psychotic meds anyway?

    Please send help asap.

  69. robgilman: You are quite the Steelers-Raiders historian. First of all, try to get the name right of the only coach in NFL history to win four Super Bowl titles: Chuck NOLL.
    Secondly, NOLL never sued the Raiders. A lawsuit was actually filed by one of NOLL’s own players, Mel Bount, against NOLL in 1977 for his “criminal element” comment.
    That lawsuit was eventually dropped, and NOLL and Blount went on to win two more Super Bowl championships together.
    I just love happy endings.

  70. the steelers were afraid of the raiders? the steelers were afraid of NO ONE. anyone who says otherwise has got his bleep in his mouth. just a skins fan here who saw most of those games. just get ready for 3, HAIL

  71. Oh bobzilla, how foolish you just made yourself. Thank you for jogging my memory. Next time you try to correct someone, better check your facts.

    NOLL (don’t know why we’re using all caps for names, did my misspelling offend you? Thanks for the correction) after a press conference referred to GEORGE ATKINSON of THE RAIDERS as a “criminal element who should be kicked out of the league.” ATKINSON then sued NOLL for defamation of character. NOLL later admitted that Joe Greene and Mel Blount had a similar style of play, Blount later sued NOLL as well.

    But it’s a fact, NOLL sued the RAIDERS for their rough play, watch the video (00:28):

    http://www.break.com/video-user-yt/01-25-2010/raiders-get-sued-by-steelers-for-playing-to-rough-lol-1685194

  72. Ken Stabler, in his prime, could stroll into Heinz field around the coin toss, hungover as all hell, and throw darts all over the unit Harrison belongs to.

  73. robgilman: One more thing: If Atkinson sued NOLL for defamation of character, how do you or Phil interpet that as NOLL suing the Raiders?

  74. @robgilman:

    Neither team was afraid of the other. Neither backed down. The Steelers got the better of them. I’m sorry that it still bothers you, but your team was outshined by a better squad. History does not change, no matter how upset it makes you.

    Yes, I included the 1972 AFC Divisional Playoff game in his record vs Pittsburgh. Stabler completed 6 of 12 for almost nothing, but did score your only TD on a 30 yd run.

    And why did PFT censor my second comment where I said Cliff Branch should be in the HOF bc he was every bit as good and worthy as Swann and Stallworth? What, PFT doesn’t like it when posters are honest and cordial to rival fans?

  75. James Harrison is little more than a loud-mouthed turd. I can’t wait until he’s out of the league. He’s like Bill Romanowski, but stupid…

  76. Actions speak for themselves. Noll indeed made the “criminal element” statement about Atkinson and he indeed tried to sue the Raiders for their rough play. In my opinion, they were obviously intimidated and afraid of playing Oakland based on that evidence. Just a like a kid who goes and cries to the principal when he gets picked on.

    Sorry that it’s hard for you to acknowledge and admit those facts, has nothing to do with being bitter. I admit the Steelers got the better of the Raiders by a close margin overall, but doesn’t change that they took their licks and were afraid of Oaklands players. You’re trying to tell me Lynn Swann wasn’t afraid every time he ran a route against that defensive backfield. Hah, give me a break, he openly complains about it to this day.

  77. Also, Stabler only had 12 pass attempts due the weather conditions of that game. Pittsburgh’s offense had a better ground game, while Oakland was an air attack. Yet the Raiders still outplayed the Steelers and won that game in Pittsburgh had it not been for a fluke play (that was against the rules) and a bad call.

    One of a few titles stolen from the Raiders.

  78. Lynn Swann seems to have recovered nicely from all those alleged beatings. He’s now owner of the Pittsburgh Power of the Arena Football League.
    Funny how it’s Stabler, not Swann, who is now suing the league for lack of protection from those mean defenses of the 1970s.
    By the way: Noll never sued the Raiders.

  79. You MIGHT be able to argue that the ball grazed off Fuqua’s fingertips before it hit Tatum with the force necessary to travel backwards that far/fast in getting to Franco, but then there’s no real proof that the ball DIDN’T bypass Frenchy all together and just hit Tatum.

    But you cannot argue that the ball DIDN’T hit Tatum. Fuqua was moving AWAY from Franco’s direction. Tatum was moving IN Franco’s direction, at a high rate of speed.

    The only potential object that could have mathematically or physically applied the kind of force necessary to send the ball in the direction it went, at the speed it went and at the distance it went was Jack Tatum.

    You’d have to be a North Korean PR man to try and argue otherwise.

  80. And about the being afraid part, then why did Swann never shy away from running crossing routes both before and after the 1975 AFCCG clothesline knockout he suffered?

    By using your logic, I could argue that your whole offense and coaching staff was terrified of the Steel Curtain. But I don’t believe that for a second. It’s called respect for a heck of an opponent.

    And all this suit and counter-suit crap? All that amounts to is attempted distractions/psych warfare. It didn’t work for either team. They slugged it out. Your team went to the canvas more often and at more critical times than mine did. You were Joe Frazier to our Muhammad Ali. Great, but not great enough.

  81. Lets be real
    #1 He knows who Stabler is
    #2 Stabler did some great things but does not deserve to be in the hof
    #3 stabler is having tax problems and jumped on the concussion bandwagon
    #4 until Jim Plunkett and Tom flores get in the hof you cant even mention stabler
    #5 Raiders were known for their rough play when it was a rough league
    #6 It was a illegal touch , Raiders should have won the game (if you dont know what I am talking about you wouldnt know who stabler is anyway)
    #7 that would have been 2 super bowls then you could talk about the hof
    #8 James who ?
    #9 Yes I am a Raider Fan !

  82. I love how much you losers hate Deebo… and Deebo feeds of it. Please keep up the posting you jealous babies!! Black and Yellow, Black and Yellow!

  83. Oh and before I forget the pittsburg/oakland games were some of the best games ever played. Yes the Steelers won more games but they were some of the greatest ! (i can hear Al Davis talking when I say “greatest” lol)

  84. Lots of good points there sharkman. Plunkett and Flores were so underrated. Gotta put your boy Cliff Branch in with them too.

    But how do you explain the distance, direction, velocity and speed that the deflection traveled, given the distance, velocity, direction and speed that both Fuqua and Tatum were traveling? There is only one explanation, and you know it. (It’s easy for me to take this stance bc physics and math allow me to).

    If there were any definitive video proof that Fuqua grazed the ball BEFORE Tatum clearly hit it, you’d be right. But there isn’t. Fuqua is the only one who knows if he so much as minutely deflected it into Tatum’s chest.

  85. Stabler was a clutch QB and beat my Vikings soundly in the SB. But HOF? No… check his stats. Less than 28,000 yards, 194 TD’s with 222 INTs. Heck of a QB on some really good Raiders teams, but not HOF quality.

    Sorry folks…

  86. Hey cut Harrison some slack he has taken too many blows to the head. He doesn’t know Bradshaw, Harris, Greenwood, Green, Swan, Stallworth, Lambert or Ham either.

    Stabler just needs to shut up and pay his taxes.

  87. Boy- once these censors pick a poster to harrass they just don’t give up.

    Nobody watches your TV shows anymore; keep this up and nobody will visit your online stuff if ya keep this up.

  88. The Crips & Bloods don’t know who Bugsy Siegal or Frank Costello are either, but it don’t stop ’em from poppin’ a cap in a brotha!! 😉

  89. I remember Hard Knocks with the Bengals — Tank Williams didn’t know who Bill Walsh was.

    Williams and Harrison give lie to the claim that “you have to have played the game to understand it.”

  90. Ken Stabler is the repeat DUI offender who owes $250,000+ in delinquent taxes, and is listed as a plaintiff on the class-action lawsuit against the NFL. What a coincidence.

    By the way, 1nationraidernation, Ben Roethlisberger knows exactly who Richard Seymour is. Richard Seymour is one of the 11 starters on the defense that Roethlisberger threw three TD passes and posted a 127.8 passer rating against when he helped the Steelers beat the Raiders by 32 points on November 21, 2010.

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