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Pats incorporate Sean Payton video into practices with Saints

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Sean Payton and Bill Belichick have a lot in common.  They both own Super Bowl rings.  They both call Bill Parcells a mentor.  (They’ve both likely at some point called Parcells something more profane than “mentor” under their breath.)

And they both have been on the wrong side of the league in cheating scandals that involved activities that other teams arguably have engaged in.

So as the Patriots and Saints practiced together in advance of a Thursday night preseason game, Belichick and the Patriots had a present for Payton’s Saints, according to an observer at the sessions.  Both practices opened with portions of Saints coach Sean Payton’s stirring locker-room speech from Kenny Chesney’s Boys of Fall video.  And Wednesday’s session ended with the song When The Saints Go Marching In played over the loudspeakers.

Some may interpret the gesture as a show of solidarity with the Saints, given that the Patriots have had a similar experience.  Regardless, the Saints got an unexpected visit from their suspended head coach on Tuesday and Wednesday, courtesy of a head coach who wasn’t suspended but nevertheless punished publicly and aggressively by the league nearly five years ago.

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  1. rdssc says: Aug 8, 2012 12:44 PM

    Imagine that 2 organizations that have cheated the game and it’s fans to win championships throwing it in the faces of the rest of the league and their fans. I would expect nothing else from a bunch of classless organizations like the Pats and Saints.

  2. patriotinvasion says: Aug 8, 2012 12:48 PM

    Wow. Talk about a cheap page view grabber. End of the day, the NFL has spoken. Spygate was minor compared to BountyGate. A camera doesn’t kick 45 yard field goals in snowstorms, doesn’t let your defense shut down Peyton Manning, and doesn’t kick to 40+ yard field goals to win Super Bowls.

    Taking out the opposing team’s players in an illegal pay-for-injury scheme is on a whole different level…which is clear given the suspensions dealt out by the league.

    End of the day, both teams still won 4 of the past 11 Lombardi Trophies and there is nothing winy, bitter fans can do to change that. Deal with it.

  3. skoobyfl says: Aug 8, 2012 12:48 PM

    One organization broke a written rule about not taping opposing teams & hasn’t won it all since that stopped happening, the other team tackled their opponents hard so they won’t be able to play properly.

    So who really broke the rules here ?

  4. billfbrennan says: Aug 8, 2012 12:50 PM

    the pats and saints have simply been made the villains of the nfl yet both franshises are successful and run properly. the pats more so because they didn’t bitch and moan about their punishment. i think the nfl destroyed those tapes because it showed exactly what every other team was doing and if they showed them they wouldnt have been able to penalize the pats as much. the same way they are hiding the evidence from the saints.

    the premiere organizations are being made the villains to set the example that no team is invulnerable from roger goodell.

  5. jaxbeachjagfan says: Aug 8, 2012 12:50 PM

    You can “thumbs down” the comments about cheating and classless, but birds of a feather do flock together.

  6. northeastkiller says: Aug 8, 2012 12:50 PM

    Pay-for-performance systems are not “cheating” in any way, shape, or form. Ridiculous.

  7. neauxgeaux44 says: Aug 8, 2012 12:50 PM

    Bitter, party of one, your table is ready…..this is for the loser above….who dat, we dat….

  8. Andre's Johnson says: Aug 8, 2012 12:51 PM

    This just strikes me as silly.

  9. kwgator says: Aug 8, 2012 12:52 PM

    Patriots + Video = Trouble

  10. dapros says: Aug 8, 2012 12:52 PM

    I’m not a big Pats fan, but I thought that that showed some class. Its all about football, not just about Commissar Goodell.

  11. thetokyosandblaster says: Aug 8, 2012 12:53 PM

    Well done, PFT…

    Want a traffic lightning rod?

    Mention the two words “Pats” and “Video” in the same sentence.

  12. beastmodeeeee says: Aug 8, 2012 12:54 PM

    ^^^

    some people shouldnt have access to the internet

  13. phoff12 says: Aug 8, 2012 12:56 PM

    I love it!!! come on down to Foxboro MA and you can see all three trophies anytime you want. I have seen them all in person and not one of them has an * engraved in it.

  14. joetoronto says: Aug 8, 2012 12:58 PM

    What a classless organization.

  15. jmire1981 says: Aug 8, 2012 12:59 PM

    Awwww did somebody hurt your little feelings? Maybe other fans should put their big boy pants on and get over it. Football is just entertainment, therefore if it offends you, just don’t watch it. I’d hate to see what happens when a real problem in life arises.

  16. geauxjay says: Aug 8, 2012 1:05 PM

    2 organizations that have cheated the game

    ________________________________

    Roger can’t even prove that they’re guilty, but somehow you know that they’re guilty? What’s your proof? ESPN playing the same 3 or 4 LEGAL hits over and over again? The fake leger? The Hargrove “confession?” The “confessions” the NFL forged for the coaches?

    No, really. I want to know how you’re so certain that they’re guilty. I want everyone who comes on this site to trash the Saints to present one piece of lousy proof to accompany their claims of guilt or go away for good.

  17. Punk says: Aug 8, 2012 1:08 PM

    I have to think the Saints would be better served just carrying on without him as they would an injured player.

  18. jmire1981 says: Aug 8, 2012 1:10 PM

    It’s funny that everyone is mad at the Saints and calling them classless. Did anybody know the Saints were hitting too hard until the NFL told you they were? Was there an abundance of illegal hit calls? That’s right sheep, keep suckling the tit of the NFL. I’d hate for anybody to get hit hard in football.

  19. patriotinvasion says: Aug 8, 2012 1:14 PM

    northeastkiller says: Aug 8, 2012 12:50 PM

    Pay-for-performance systems are not “cheating” in any way, shape, or form. Ridiculous.
    _____

    Ever hear of that thing called the Salary Cap that every other team must budget against to field a competitive team? Under the table bonus payments is cheating the salary cap, and this cheating the game.

  20. patriotinvasion says: Aug 8, 2012 1:23 PM

    Once again, to the “what have they won since spygate” crowd:

    They have a completely transformed team aside from #12, and have won 4 AFC East Division Titles, 2 AFC Championships, and were one catch away in two highly competitive Super Bowls against the Giants from having 2 more rings and 5 in 11 years (Tyree, Welker).

    Give it a rest. Aside from the fact that Bruschi, Harrison, Vrabel, Seymour, and Law have been gone for years, they still have been in the hunt every season.

    If they needed cameras to be good, how do they keep winning? Silly.

  21. jmire1981 says: Aug 8, 2012 1:24 PM

    Okay so let’s call it Salarygate instead of Bountygate. Money under the table? Is that what everyone’s mad about? In that case fine them double or triple what they took under the table.

  22. patriotinvasion says: Aug 8, 2012 1:25 PM

    28 other teams haven’t won a Super Bowl since spygate either.

  23. surfinbird1 says: Aug 8, 2012 1:25 PM

    Welcome to the National Enquirer!

  24. northeastkiller says: Aug 8, 2012 1:25 PM

    Because FAs went to the Saints specifically due to the $1000 bonuses. Get real. On the account of a flood of players, P4P is so common that can’t possibly be true.

  25. swolicious says: Aug 8, 2012 1:26 PM

    Did I miss something? I’m having a hard time understanding how a “bounty” is cheating. Wrong, maybe, but cheating I don’t understand.

  26. bostonbornandbred says: Aug 8, 2012 1:26 PM

    joetoronto says:
    Aug 8, 2012 12:58 PM
    What a classless organization.

      Just want to apologize to you for the lack of Argonauts coverage on profootballtalk…

    In all serious… I’ll admit spygate shouldn’t of happened. But when are all you dummies going to admit that Everybody has done it. Jimmy Johnson admitted it. You know Belichick got the idea from Parcells… And to the moron who said the patriots haven’t won anything since spygate… I’ll take two AFC titles and an 11-5 record without our star quarterback thank you very much

  27. pnthrz1 says: Aug 8, 2012 1:27 PM

    They’re just testing to see how well the daily or weekly videos from Sean Payton are going to be. He better be smart or the NFL will catch Payton cheating/breaking the law for the third time. The 1st one was the painkillers.

  28. godofwine330 says: Aug 8, 2012 1:28 PM

    Just went to Kenny Chesney concert last Sunday. Great show. I know Payton is itching to get back, but this is a great football song.

  29. unbreakable02215 says: Aug 8, 2012 1:33 PM

    SpyGate F Heads. You all DO realize that the
    Patriots have gone to the Superbowl TWICE
    since they received their penalty for it and
    come within a whisker of winning BOTH OF
    THOSE GAMES TOO………RIGHT ?

    They just went up against a team who seems to
    have their number. (Who happened to get hot
    at the right time and win DESPITE not like
    their coach and turning it on when they felt like
    it.) And having mediocre at best seasons those
    2 years.

    The Patriots are the best organization in Pro
    Football and everyone (including you if you
    admit it) knows it.

  30. silentcount says: Aug 8, 2012 1:35 PM

    For those who’ve actually played football on a real team, they don’t think Sean Payton did anything to deserve a years suspension. If so, then all NFL coaches deserve the same punishment. For the fans sqawking the most, they’d suddenly be eager to have Sean be their team’s head coach if he was available. Is it possible for Vilma to free his falsely accused coach? There’s a reason why Goodell will make a deal to stay out of court.

  31. daveman8403 says: Aug 8, 2012 1:37 PM

    ver hear of that thing called the Salary Cap that every other team must budget against to field a competitive team? Under the table bonus payments is cheating the salary cap, and this cheating the game

    ————

    Yeah a salary cap is there to not let teams spend as much money as they want and grab all the best players. If you really think giving players an extra 200 bucks, when salaries are in the millions, is the reason players choose the saints over other programs, then something is wrong with you. most of the money was also given by players into a pool, therefore not a salary cap violation. I guess every time a QB buys the oline dinner for no sacks it is a salary cap violation too, right?

  32. mrl7265 says: Aug 8, 2012 1:37 PM

    Dear Saints Fans,

    It does not matter what really happened or what Bounty Gate was all about. Fans of other teams that are jealous because your team wins on a regular basis will always comment on it and be uneducated about reality. As time goes on what really happened will be twisted and skewed. At times it will be infuriating. Understand that no matter what people say, you are fans of a class organization that wins and that people will always be jealous of that.

    Pats Fan

  33. couchhero says: Aug 8, 2012 1:38 PM

    Once a cheater always a cheater. Pats cheated. Saints played dirty within the rules of the game. A bounty program had zero impact on the ref’s ability to throw a flag for illegal play.

  34. patriotsdefense says: Aug 8, 2012 1:38 PM

    Yeah, New England and New Orleans have a bromance.

    1, the rule that the Patriots broke was not having the camera 8 feet back and in the stands. 100% legal otherwise. To this day, 100% legal to steal signals.

    2, the Saints are not the only team or the first team to be found to have a pay for play system. The Packers have been caught and so have the Ravens.

    If you come to Boston and you’re a Saints fan wear your colors with pride, we love ya! I’ve been down to New Orleans in my Pats gear and every single person was kind and a pleasure to meet.

  35. jetsarestacked says: Aug 8, 2012 1:41 PM

    @billfbrennan

    “The tapes go back and forth between, Well, the first part of the tape, the guy recording it , all he’s focusing in on are the butts of the Jet City Dancers. He’s going from chick, to chick, to chick, and then you see, like, Tom Brady step in and then he’ll [the dude taping it] hit the coaches a little bit, but when there’s a break? He goes into the stands and then focuses on T and A. It is classsssic. It is like Spygate meets “Girls Gone Wild…..the rest of it, is damaging. Because they go the coaches, to the down and distance, back up to the coaches, back to the down and distance — it couldn’t be anymore clear. They focus in on three guys the entire time, it is soooo brazen it’s incredible.” -jay glazer

    that’s why the nfl destroyed the tape

  36. jrdbrn says: Aug 8, 2012 1:55 PM

    I can’t wait for the Patriots vs Saints Superbowl. It will happen.. everyone will cry as usual.

  37. foreverlsu says: Aug 8, 2012 2:02 PM

    Classy moves by the Patriots to welcome Saints!

    Too many classless commentors on this blog!

    I will enjoy seeing reactions from some of you anonymous Internet tough guys when Saints beat your team with no coach.

  38. PFTiswhatitis says: Aug 8, 2012 2:05 PM

    The Saints/Pats combined training camp practices have been great. The move by the pats to show the clip and play the tune was awesome and the Saints surely loved it. Yet the whiners come out to poo poo it as if its something bad. Sheesh you can not appreciate it? Really? Go back to your sad little worlds and let us enjoy greatness.

  39. jetstizzi85 says: Aug 8, 2012 2:05 PM

    @geauxjay – can you prove that none of those are true and didnt happen?

    I am not saying they did or they didnt but you sir dont have the “proof” either. The doubt is there obviously – even with you

  40. foreverlsu says: Aug 8, 2012 2:12 PM

    @patriotinvasion

    Do you really think “under the table bonus payments” have an impact on the salary cap?Seriously? We’re talking peanuts here. $1,500 to a guy who makes $2 million a year is the same as $37 for a guy making $50,000. Peanuts.

    Despite the fact that Goodell has no evidence of illegal hits or payments for illegal hits, the penalties were assessed because of a “bounty system” and NOT a pay for performance system.

  41. patriotinvasion says: Aug 8, 2012 2:27 PM

    daveman8403 says: Aug 8, 2012 1:37 PM

    ver hear of that thing called the Salary Cap that every other team must budget against to field a competitive team? Under the table bonus payments is cheating the salary cap, and this cheating the game

    ————

    Yeah a salary cap is there to not let teams spend as much money as they want and grab all the best players. If you really think giving players an extra 200 bucks, when salaries are in the millions, is the reason players choose the saints over other programs, then something is wrong with you. most of the money was also given by players into a pool, therefore not a salary cap violation. I guess every time a QB buys the oline dinner for no sacks it is a salary cap violation too, right?
    ____

    I agree with this. Just showing Saints fans how easy it is for the media and hater-fanbases to spin a relatively minor issue into the most deceitful and evil thing on Earth. As a Patriots fan, I know how the snowball effect works. Trust me.

  42. novusanimus says: Aug 8, 2012 2:35 PM

    Wonder if the Pats were tempted to dip into their secret stash and show video of Gregg Williams sending in the defensive signals from the sidelines…

  43. nutitletown says: Aug 8, 2012 2:48 PM

    What have the Pats done since ‘Spygate’ ? Hahaha, i pity you bitter fools. They have arguably been the most dominant team in the league year in and year out. Get ready to watch them in the super bowl again this year. sucka’s

  44. purplegreenandgold says: Aug 8, 2012 2:53 PM

    where were all of you Monday when the story was the commish was trying to lower JV suspension in half. so…hold on to those feelings because things are changing before your very eyes from the man who originally convinced you!

  45. patriotinvasion says: Aug 8, 2012 2:54 PM

    @patriotinvasion

    Do you really think “under the table bonus payments” have an impact on the salary cap?Seriously? We’re talking peanuts here. $1,500 to a guy who makes $2 million a year is the same as $37 for a guy making $50,000. Peanuts.

    Despite the fact that Goodell has no evidence of illegal hits or payments for illegal hits, the penalties were assessed because of a “bounty system” and NOT a pay for performance system.
    ____

    For an undrafted rookie making the league minimum of $250K/year, Vilma’s $10,000 bounty on Brett Favre would account for 4% of that players salary for one hit. Pretty motivating pay increase for a 22 year old kid who came from nothing and is dying to pull up to his old neighborhood in a Benz. The point of my post was to explain to the original poster that there was an element of “cheating” in BountyGate. Cheating the salary cap, and cheating the CBA that prevents this type of pay-for-injury program As spygate has shown, the Patriots BROKE A RULE which everyone wants to say was “cheating” so what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

  46. yourignorancespreads says: Aug 8, 2012 2:56 PM

    Oh no did they hurt your feelings you other 31 franchise fans. did the saints play football to hard. Ok maybe we will just play flag football next time you bunch of flowers. Seriously NO EVIDENCE but were guilty. All you haters make me sick. Get a life stop watching if it’s too tough. And like I said before all you comment makers won’t dare tell me what team you like cause I will def point out a dirty player that prob helped your team go far you hipccrypts

  47. fu7ur3pr00f says: Aug 8, 2012 2:59 PM

    Because when you think football and the tough bad assess that play the game, you think the girly wimp-rock of Kenny Chesney

  48. mrlaloosh says: Aug 8, 2012 3:05 PM

    Wouldn’t it be great if Goodell has to hand the Lombardi to the winner of the Super Bowl in New Orleans between the Patriots & Saints! If only!

  49. daveman8403 says: Aug 8, 2012 3:18 PM

    For an undrafted rookie making the league minimum of $250K/year, Vilma’s $10,000 bounty on Brett Favre would account for 4% of that players salary for one hit. Pretty motivating pay increase for a 22 year old kid who came from nothing and is dying to pull up to his old neighborhood in a Benz. The point of my post was to explain to the original poster that there was an element of “cheating” in BountyGate. Cheating the salary cap, and cheating the CBA that prevents this type of pay-for-injury program As spygate has shown, the Patriots BROKE A RULE which everyone wants to say was “cheating” so what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

    ————————————————

    that 10,000 dollar payment was “allegedly” coming from the players, therefore NOT a salary cap violation. and that was the most extreme accusation.

    Fine, if it was a salary cap violation then teams are fined. draft picks are not taken away, and coaches and players are not suspended. I didn’t hear anyone calling the cowboys and skins cheaters when they were fined for going over the salary cap.

  50. pastabelly says: Aug 8, 2012 3:54 PM

    I guess people have short memories. Denver got nailed on cheating the salary cap and so did the 49ers. It’s not as the Patriots and Saints are the only teams who have ever been caught. With the Patriots, it was the warnings AFTER the championships that did them in. They were never warned and the league never made an issue of it until the mid 2000s.

  51. Deb says: Aug 8, 2012 4:14 PM

    While you guys were worrying about who cheated more, for a few minutes, I was back in the high school bleachers … reliving Super Bowls and National Championships … remembering great players … gasping at the long-missed sound of Bear Bryant’s voice. And I was thinking the guy who keeps posting that football is a dying sport really doesn’t get it.

    It was nice to skip all the infighting for once and just get choked up, teary, and sentimental over the game. Thanks, Mike.

  52. northeastkiller says: Aug 8, 2012 4:31 PM

    Players having side bets with each other is not salary cap violations, not cheating. No one’s picking the Saints over another team because of “I heard the defense pays into a kitty $1,000 for interceptions!” No unfair benefit to P4P on the field, not cheating, as another poster mentioned, nothing stops the refs from flagging and penalizing illegal hits. Quite simply, take a breath and get real.

  53. novusanimus says: Aug 8, 2012 4:45 PM

    Saints fan seems to be going with the “we didn’t cheat” defense. Fair enough. I can agree with that. However let’s not pretend the Saints did nothing wrong.

  54. macaroniandcheese01 says: Aug 8, 2012 4:48 PM

    The Patriots, without cheating, are like the Buffalo Bills of the 90’s. A really good team but can’t win the the superbowl.

  55. jmire1981 says: Aug 8, 2012 4:54 PM

    I’m a Saints fan all the way to my core, but there’s one thing I’d like to say to the Pats organization and there fans. Thank you. Thank you for the CLASSY move of making our team and our fans feel welcome in your home city and your home practice facilities. You all have earned this Saints fans respect and I hope to be able to return the favor one day. “Through adversity, heroes are born” ~ Steve Gleason.

  56. addmack24 says: Aug 8, 2012 5:28 PM

    Ever hear of that thing called the Salary Cap that every other team must budget against to field a competitive team? Under the table bonus payments is cheating the salary cap, and this cheating the game.

    Yes but how did this help them on the field, it just like saying I’ll buy you a coke if you sack this guy. If you don’t no coke for you, but if you get him hey a free coke nice. Sure you are violating the salary cap, but do you really think a $1000 is worth anything to these guys who make millions. If you do and think that is cheating or giving the Saints an unfair advantage then you have been drinking the kool-aid, because that is what all this is about. The Saints did not try to injure any oposing players.

  57. ahostiletakeover says: Aug 8, 2012 5:34 PM

    patriotsdefense says:Aug 8, 2012 1:38 PM

    2, the Saints are not the only team or the first team to be found to have a pay for play system. The Packers have been caught and so have the Ravens.

    I have kept my mouth shut during this entire scandal, but remind me again when the Ravens and Packers were “caught running a pay for performance” system? I’ve been a fan of both teams for a while and the only thing I can even construe as remotely regarding “bounties” on either team is that Terrell Suggs jokingly told the media in ’08 that “there’s a bounty out on (Hines) Ward” to which he immediately received a nice letter from the Commish. Get your facts right before making the same kind of accusations you are trying to defend against.

  58. ahostiletakeover says: Aug 8, 2012 5:39 PM

    And even then, yeah bounties have probably existed hush hush in the NFL since its inception, but its not the “crime” its the cover up and lies to the commisioner that brought all of this down on the Saints. Period.

  59. crush22 says: Aug 8, 2012 5:54 PM

    So nice to see the patsie and aint’s fans giving each other a big group hug.
    Even cheaters need somebody sometimes……I guess.

  60. sclazo says: Aug 8, 2012 5:54 PM

    All you homers just need to face the facts. Your team cheated and it will always be there in thier history.

    Paying players to take out or injuring other players is dirty and against the rules. The Saints DC already confessed to it and Payton wants to act like he didn’t know. Yeah right a HC don’t know what his DC and players are doing?

    Everyone knows the Patriots where cheating well before the Jets blew the whistle on them. LOL Mangini busted you guys because he used to work for you. He knew damn well what was going on and taped New England cheating and sent it into the commissioner. The Pats got off lightly, at least they where not trying to end players careers like the Saints were doing.

  61. franktherat96 says: Aug 8, 2012 6:10 PM

    I am a huge Saints fan and I have to say that its refreshing to see the class shown by the Pats organization and their fans. Really refreshing. Some teams around the league and even some of their fans are just awful sometimes. You have earned my respect and i wish you all the best of luck this upcoming season.(of course not if we play….I don’t like you that much ;) lol )

  62. giablommi says: Aug 8, 2012 6:21 PM

    “The Patriots, without cheating, are like the Buffalo Bills of the 90′s. A really good team but can’t win the the superbowl.”
    ^^^^
    This is my favorite argument from Pats haters. Since 2007, here is New England’s resume:

    – 68-20 record
    – 2 AFC Championships
    – 2 Super Bowl Ls- to one of the only teams in the NFL to consistently have the Pats #. I hate it, but yes Eli is our daddy.
    – An 11-5 season WITHOUT Tom Brady, only 11 win team to miss playoffs in current playoff format
    – Most significantly, a completely rebuilt, inexperienced and inconsistent defense from 2009 on
    – Double digit wins every year since 2002

    One of these days you naysayers are going to have to acknowledge Video Hunt had no impact on the Patriots success from 2001-2006 and that Belichick and Brady are the greatest coach-QB combo of all time. Clearly there has been no dropoff in consistency since 2007 despite the major defensive dropoff, so give credit where its due or expose yourself as an ill-informed hater.

  63. ascensionparish says: Aug 8, 2012 6:33 PM

    Birds of a feather flock together?

    As a Saints fan, i’d be more than happy to stand next to the Patriots organization.

    Can you imagine how awesome the party would be in New Orleans for the Super Bowl if the Saints and Pats played????

  64. bamboozle99 says: Aug 8, 2012 6:41 PM

    What is it with the Pats and their love for video films? Wouldn’t put the two in the same bracket. Saints got caught playing dirty, Pats got caught cheating. Saints got punished severely, while the Pats were told not to do it again. However opposing teams still face technical difficulties at Gillette stadium if it happens to be a close game. Radios still jam and the scoreboard puts out wrong information.

  65. saintij says: Aug 8, 2012 6:59 PM

    FROM HIGH ATOP MOUNT “WHO DAT’….

    I have been a fan of the Saints for a lotta years and I just realized that since the Aaron Brooks era this team has been growing in skill and ability.

    The destruction of the Old Dome and most of the city serves as the death, the year spent on the road the burial, and finally coming home to the New Dome and eventually a SUPER BOWL …. the resurrection.

    The fact that fans of other teams are so harsh towards the Saints and call them names is funny to me at times because this never use to happen. we were always those loveable losers.

    However, now that they are “THAT MAN AT DA DOOR” (ask somebody) the other fans are scared and jealous that for almost a decade this organization has rewritten itself. with no signs of wearing down. uh oh NFL!

  66. zielachowski says: Aug 8, 2012 8:02 PM

    If cheating can be defined as giving a team, or an individual player, an unfair advantage, then I will call every team that has had any givin player test positive for performance enhancing drugs “cheaters”. Sound ridiculous? It is. The fact is New England has been to two Super Bowls since Spygate. And yes, they have not won a Super Bowl since Spygate. Neither has 28 other teams. They continue to contend every single year, even when they have the 31st ranked defense.

    Make sure your team is perfect before you judge another.

  67. patriotsdefense says: Aug 8, 2012 9:40 PM

    ^^^^^^^^^^

    Great post. Don’t forget the Steelers team doctor in the 1970 injected players with steroids.

    And for all those people saying that spygate would have been the difference in either of the Giants Super Bowls, BHA Okay. Show me the playcall for a helmet catch. Show me.

  68. aljack88 says: Aug 8, 2012 10:29 PM

    ahostiletakeover says:

    I have kept my mouth shut during this entire scandal, but remind me again when the Ravens and Packers were “caught running a pay for performance” system? I’ve been a fan of both teams for a while and the only thing I can even construe as remotely regarding “bounties” on either team is that Terrell Suggs jokingly told the media in ’08 that “there’s a bounty out on (Hines) Ward” to which he immediately received a nice letter from the Commish. Get your facts right before making the same kind of accusations you are trying to defend against.
    ————————————————————

    from NFL.com news:

    …After those comments made waves, former Ravens coach Brian Billick confirmed that there had been bounties during his nine seasons leading the team.

    “Every team does it,” Billick said on “The Dan Patrick Show.” “Now, to go out and talk publicly about it is about as foolish a thing as I’ve ever heard.”

    Billick, who previously denied there were bounties on the Ravens in 2001, recently said that money routinely changes hands among players for great plays and big hits, which is against NFL rules. Billick has not said that the Ravens had any rewards for injuring other players.

    In regards to the Packers in 07,

    …After the NFL investigated, the league said that the Packers would not be punished and released the following statement: “The club has handled the matter with the players and the incentive pool has been discontinued.”

  69. toppdogg51 says: Aug 8, 2012 11:00 PM

    @patriotinvasion, you are dead on with your comment. I get so sick and tired of hearing or reading people’s comments about something that happened several years ago that had no bearing on several Super Bowl wins for the Pats. Deliberately hurting people and taken videos of some teams are truly two different things all together. I really love reading intelligent comments that are posted on this site from intelligent people who follow the game like a true fan and not a hater.

  70. aahhyeahsucka says: Aug 9, 2012 1:11 AM

    Saints: do I consider them cheaters? No not really. But to go out with the INTENTION of ending another player’s career? Going after his bad knee specifically? Sorry, that’s low class no matter how you slice it.

    Pats: Undeniable talent on that team. No question. But you can’t say that you also didn’t have an unfair advantage going into those games.

  71. cranespy says: Aug 9, 2012 7:01 AM

    Exactly what should have been expected of Belecheck….CLASS!

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