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		<title>By: pobreezy</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/08/possible-vilma-reduction-has-no-relevance-to-paytons-suspension/#comment-1921155</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pobreezy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 17:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To everyone who feels the need post on these forums &quot;get over it vilma! We&#039;re tired of hearing about this!&quot;, trust me when I say I feel the same way about your comments. If you don&#039;t want to read about Jon vilma&#039;s court case, please, don&#039;t click on the article about Jon vilma&#039;s court case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To everyone who feels the need post on these forums &#8220;get over it vilma! We&#8217;re tired of hearing about this!&#8221;, trust me when I say I feel the same way about your comments. If you don&#8217;t want to read about Jon vilma&#8217;s court case, please, don&#8217;t click on the article about Jon vilma&#8217;s court case.</p>
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		<title>By: bobnelsonjr</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/08/possible-vilma-reduction-has-no-relevance-to-paytons-suspension/#comment-1920870</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bobnelsonjr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a sort of unwritten policy that if you don&#039;t continue to embarrass the league, the league is more forgiving.  

The other reason to be quiet when in &quot;exile&quot; is that he can spin the story how he wants AFTER his return.  Much can happen between now and then.  Nothing he can say will be helpful to anyone until then. 

Plus as a man of authority, he has to respect authority to keep his integrity.  

Time off for good behavior is a good policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a sort of unwritten policy that if you don&#8217;t continue to embarrass the league, the league is more forgiving.  </p>
<p>The other reason to be quiet when in &#8220;exile&#8221; is that he can spin the story how he wants AFTER his return.  Much can happen between now and then.  Nothing he can say will be helpful to anyone until then. </p>
<p>Plus as a man of authority, he has to respect authority to keep his integrity.  </p>
<p>Time off for good behavior is a good policy.</p>
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		<title>By: musicman495</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/08/possible-vilma-reduction-has-no-relevance-to-paytons-suspension/#comment-1920842</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[musicman495]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All those who come on this forum daily to say they are tired of this story have our permission to stop reading and commenting on it five times per day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All those who come on this forum daily to say they are tired of this story have our permission to stop reading and commenting on it five times per day.</p>
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		<title>By: thomda13</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/08/possible-vilma-reduction-has-no-relevance-to-paytons-suspension/#comment-1920813</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thomda13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This entire thing had grown tiresome. Its become another case of &quot;judge not what I did but what you can prove.&quot; The whole thing sickens me. I can&#039;t wait for the season to start so we can leave this crap behind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This entire thing had grown tiresome. Its become another case of &#8220;judge not what I did but what you can prove.&#8221; The whole thing sickens me. I can&#8217;t wait for the season to start so we can leave this crap behind.</p>
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		<title>By: rhodeislandpatriotsfan</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/08/possible-vilma-reduction-has-no-relevance-to-paytons-suspension/#comment-1920807</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rhodeislandpatriotsfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some say that the NFL is a “copycat&quot; league.  Rest assured, if Roger Goodell substantially reduces Vilma’s suspension WITHOUT securing any admission by Vilma, then not only can Vilma justifiably declare victory, but future players who are similarly disciplined will have a blueprint on how to legally—and effectively—attack the Commissioner.  And Vilma will go down in NFL player folklore as the “David” who beat “Goliath.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some say that the NFL is a “copycat&#8221; league.  Rest assured, if Roger Goodell substantially reduces Vilma’s suspension WITHOUT securing any admission by Vilma, then not only can Vilma justifiably declare victory, but future players who are similarly disciplined will have a blueprint on how to legally—and effectively—attack the Commissioner.  And Vilma will go down in NFL player folklore as the “David” who beat “Goliath.”</p>
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		<title>By: thefirstsmilergrogan</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/08/possible-vilma-reduction-has-no-relevance-to-paytons-suspension/#comment-1920749</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thefirstsmilergrogan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[two main differences between payton and vilma.  

first, coaches have a much longer career life.  payton&#039;s been coaching since 1988, in the nfl since 1997 with a long career horizon.  a year of a player&#039;s career is much more of a penalty.  vilma was 6 in 1988 and after 8 seasons at linebacker, has a very limited window in his career.  Also, the concept that soldiers shouldn&#039;t pay a heavier penalty than the generals...

secondly, the league called payton and loomis in on the issue a year earlier, with instructions to eliminate the system.  this is what they are being hammered for.  to my knowledge, vilma wasn&#039;t part of that process.  

and to the management tool denigrating unions, i would point out that america was functioning much better before big business bought the country and allowed itself the right to pay non-living wages and import illegal aliens (without consequence to the corporation) to man the jobs so distasteful and difficult that american workers would demand to be paid more than minimum wage to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two main differences between payton and vilma.  </p>
<p>first, coaches have a much longer career life.  payton&#8217;s been coaching since 1988, in the nfl since 1997 with a long career horizon.  a year of a player&#8217;s career is much more of a penalty.  vilma was 6 in 1988 and after 8 seasons at linebacker, has a very limited window in his career.  Also, the concept that soldiers shouldn&#8217;t pay a heavier penalty than the generals&#8230;</p>
<p>secondly, the league called payton and loomis in on the issue a year earlier, with instructions to eliminate the system.  this is what they are being hammered for.  to my knowledge, vilma wasn&#8217;t part of that process.  </p>
<p>and to the management tool denigrating unions, i would point out that america was functioning much better before big business bought the country and allowed itself the right to pay non-living wages and import illegal aliens (without consequence to the corporation) to man the jobs so distasteful and difficult that american workers would demand to be paid more than minimum wage to do.</p>
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		<title>By: purplegreenandgold</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/08/possible-vilma-reduction-has-no-relevance-to-paytons-suspension/#comment-1920595</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[purplegreenandgold]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there are alot of different comments I could make at this point about this article...but I&#039;ll keep it brief. Thank You Mike Florio in reacquainting the audience on WHY the coach(sean payton) upon losing his appeal accepted his punishment. &quot;Not like a man&quot;...&quot;Not to gain anyones respect&quot;...&quot;Because he knew he was guilty&quot;...but because he had no leverage after the appeals process if he wanted to coach in the NFL again however, the bloggers are right about one thing...RG did tell him after the appeals process &quot; shut up and go away&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there are alot of different comments I could make at this point about this article&#8230;but I&#8217;ll keep it brief. Thank You Mike Florio in reacquainting the audience on WHY the coach(sean payton) upon losing his appeal accepted his punishment. &#8220;Not like a man&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;Not to gain anyones respect&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;Because he knew he was guilty&#8221;&#8230;but because he had no leverage after the appeals process if he wanted to coach in the NFL again however, the bloggers are right about one thing&#8230;RG did tell him after the appeals process &#8221; shut up and go away&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: larryjames836</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/08/possible-vilma-reduction-has-no-relevance-to-paytons-suspension/#comment-1920558</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes the NFL will need to hand over proof of the case this is a Federal Court. The NFL not that powerful I hope Vilma don&#039;t take the NFL reduction make the Federal Court pull the evidences we know everybody is tried of hearing about this. The truth need to be told and thank its fair to the Saints fans the NFL hiding something and it need to come to the light.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the NFL will need to hand over proof of the case this is a Federal Court. The NFL not that powerful I hope Vilma don&#8217;t take the NFL reduction make the Federal Court pull the evidences we know everybody is tried of hearing about this. The truth need to be told and thank its fair to the Saints fans the NFL hiding something and it need to come to the light.</p>
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		<title>By: bbp404</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/08/possible-vilma-reduction-has-no-relevance-to-paytons-suspension/#comment-1920551</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bbp404]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the NIL made a decision in haste and now are going to pay the price in court the evidence that they were intentionally hurting players for money is ludicrous.They may have gotten paid for legal hard make your mommy say not my baby hits and if that&#039;s the case everyone in the has a bounty program]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the NIL made a decision in haste and now are going to pay the price in court the evidence that they were intentionally hurting players for money is ludicrous.They may have gotten paid for legal hard make your mommy say not my baby hits and if that&#8217;s the case everyone in the has a bounty program</p>
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		<title>By: yourignorancespreads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yourignorancespreads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and Vilma will get a reduction but if I&#039;m him if it&#039;s not 4 games, then I would refuse it and continue on suing GOODELL actually even if it is reduced I still might sue unless he apologizes for taking wrong action in this bogus bounty case]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and Vilma will get a reduction but if I&#8217;m him if it&#8217;s not 4 games, then I would refuse it and continue on suing GOODELL actually even if it is reduced I still might sue unless he apologizes for taking wrong action in this bogus bounty case</p>
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		<title>By: yourignorancespreads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yourignorancespreads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bunch of haters you guys are let&#039;s see Lethe evidence. Anyone can say that someone did something but if that were you up there in front of the media and someone slandered your name I bet you would be trying to save your name. Especially if you didn&#039;t do anything wrong and they have no EVIdence against you. So stop acting like these players did something wrong cause you know about a much as everyone else does and that&#039;s nothing cause they haven&#039;t showed us proof or don&#039;t have any]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bunch of haters you guys are let&#8217;s see Lethe evidence. Anyone can say that someone did something but if that were you up there in front of the media and someone slandered your name I bet you would be trying to save your name. Especially if you didn&#8217;t do anything wrong and they have no EVIdence against you. So stop acting like these players did something wrong cause you know about a much as everyone else does and that&#8217;s nothing cause they haven&#8217;t showed us proof or don&#8217;t have any</p>
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		<title>By: txxxchief</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/08/possible-vilma-reduction-has-no-relevance-to-paytons-suspension/#comment-1920520</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[txxxchief]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I certainly would not assume that forming a union always serves the &quot;greater good.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly would not assume that forming a union always serves the &#8220;greater good.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sj39</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sj39]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There will be no reduction. The NFL will not hand over any proof to anyone it is not required to. Most of us are sick of this story. Move on already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be no reduction. The NFL will not hand over any proof to anyone it is not required to. Most of us are sick of this story. Move on already.</p>
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