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	<title>Comments on: Judge says she&#8217;ll rule for Vilma, if she can find a way to legally do it</title>
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		<title>By: mwindle1973</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know everyone keeps saying the judge said Goodell doesn&#039;t have the evidence.  That&#039;s not what she said.  She said she felt the process was unfair.  THat doesn&#039;t mean she feels Vilma is free from wrong doing.  I happen to think she&#039;s letting her personal opinion be heard, while admitting there is nothing she knows of legally that can be done about it...yet.  But if she hasn&#039;t found legal precedent by now, when will she?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know everyone keeps saying the judge said Goodell doesn&#8217;t have the evidence.  That&#8217;s not what she said.  She said she felt the process was unfair.  THat doesn&#8217;t mean she feels Vilma is free from wrong doing.  I happen to think she&#8217;s letting her personal opinion be heard, while admitting there is nothing she knows of legally that can be done about it&#8230;yet.  But if she hasn&#8217;t found legal precedent by now, when will she?</p>
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		<title>By: ON SECOND THOUGHT...</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ON SECOND THOUGHT...]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last time I checked.. this was still America... where is the evidence?  If Goodell has it.. let him release it &amp; shut up everyone... everybody&#039;s jumping on the &quot;they got caught cheating&quot; bandwagon.... where is the evidence?    If he produced it.. this would all end.  Is it possible?  maybe possible?  that there is NO EVIDENCE..... maybe somebody got a bit power hungry &amp; ran with a disgruntled employee&#039;s rantings without getting solid proof.    Come on people... this isn&#039;t Nazi Germany &amp; Goodell isn&#039;t the dictator.  Let the system work.  Stop hating.   Let the truth work it&#039;s way out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time I checked.. this was still America&#8230; where is the evidence?  If Goodell has it.. let him release it &amp; shut up everyone&#8230; everybody&#8217;s jumping on the &#8220;they got caught cheating&#8221; bandwagon&#8230;. where is the evidence?    If he produced it.. this would all end.  Is it possible?  maybe possible?  that there is NO EVIDENCE&#8230;.. maybe somebody got a bit power hungry &amp; ran with a disgruntled employee&#8217;s rantings without getting solid proof.    Come on people&#8230; this isn&#8217;t Nazi Germany &amp; Goodell isn&#8217;t the dictator.  Let the system work.  Stop hating.   Let the truth work it&#8217;s way out.</p>
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		<title>By: thoap975</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;geniusfan says: Aug 10, 2012 11:18 AM

What do you expect? She’s a Louisiana judge and wants to get re-elected.

Conflict of interest.&quot;
 
I&#039;ve read stupidity before, but this takes the cake...and on top of it there are 260 dumb-asses that thumbed it up. No wonder this country is in the shape it is in with these gullible sheeples. Re-elected...were you kidding?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;geniusfan says: Aug 10, 2012 11:18 AM</p>
<p>What do you expect? She’s a Louisiana judge and wants to get re-elected.</p>
<p>Conflict of interest.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read stupidity before, but this takes the cake&#8230;and on top of it there are 260 dumb-asses that thumbed it up. No wonder this country is in the shape it is in with these gullible sheeples. Re-elected&#8230;were you kidding?</p>
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		<title>By: chi01town</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 02:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The truth is the Saints cheated an they got cought NOW they have to pay the price. I am NOT a fan of Goodell in FACT I think hes more DANGEROUS to the NFL than the Saints but that dont mean the Saints should get away with trying to hurt other players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is the Saints cheated an they got cought NOW they have to pay the price. I am NOT a fan of Goodell in FACT I think hes more DANGEROUS to the NFL than the Saints but that dont mean the Saints should get away with trying to hurt other players.</p>
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		<title>By: packhawk04</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Her decision wasn&#039;t predetermined, all she&#039;s saying is the NFL wasn&#039;t fair in this, but it sucks that the players agreed to give Goodell full authority. We&#039;ll keep trying to find a loophole to save the players from thier own decisions, but im not sure we&#039;ll find one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her decision wasn&#8217;t predetermined, all she&#8217;s saying is the NFL wasn&#8217;t fair in this, but it sucks that the players agreed to give Goodell full authority. We&#8217;ll keep trying to find a loophole to save the players from thier own decisions, but im not sure we&#8217;ll find one.</p>
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		<title>By: mvkitchen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For everyone saying the judge has already predetermined her decision before the trial...  Youe do realize both sides already presented their cases to her last week, right?  So unless &quot;predetermined&quot; means that she decided her view hearing both sides, then I&#039;m not sure what you mean.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For everyone saying the judge has already predetermined her decision before the trial&#8230;  Youe do realize both sides already presented their cases to her last week, right?  So unless &#8220;predetermined&#8221; means that she decided her view hearing both sides, then I&#8217;m not sure what you mean.</p>
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		<title>By: mrpowers88</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;As a result, there’s a chance that the players could ultimately lose — but only after they have been permitted to play all of the 2012 season.&quot;

The more Vilma (and Brees) talk to the media, the more I think this is the outcome they&#039;re realistically shooting for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As a result, there’s a chance that the players could ultimately lose — but only after they have been permitted to play all of the 2012 season.&#8221;</p>
<p>The more Vilma (and Brees) talk to the media, the more I think this is the outcome they&#8217;re realistically shooting for.</p>
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		<title>By: mwindle1973</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 20:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mwindle1973 says: Aug 10, 2012 12:58 PM

mwindle1973 says: Aug 10, 2012 12:20 PM

I think the key words here are, “if I can find a legal way to do it.” It implies that she is trying to find a legal way to do it and can’t. This jives with my suspicion that this is an improper attempt to circumvent a collective bargaining process just like the NFL claims. Just because the judge thinks Vilma is right, doesn’t mean the law will allow her to side with him. Anyway her decision is largely irrelevant if she rules for Vilma. His lawyer picked this court. They picked a judge that they thought might rule in their favor. They won’t have that advantage when it is appealed. On the other hand if she doesn’t rule in favor of Vilma no judge probably will. But they know they have little chance of winning. It’s all about getting the suspension put on hold so he can play this season.

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You can see I posted this at 12:20 then it is deleted. WHy? I guess there is an obvious attempt to rid the article of comments that point out the obvious.
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See what I mean...check back deleted again.  You can clearly see I posted comment at 12:20 then copied it, FLorio deletes, I post at 12:58, copy again, then FLorio deletes, I post again.  SO you can clearly see his lack of professional values doesn&#039;t just apply to articles like this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mwindle1973 says: Aug 10, 2012 12:58 PM</p>
<p>mwindle1973 says: Aug 10, 2012 12:20 PM</p>
<p>I think the key words here are, “if I can find a legal way to do it.” It implies that she is trying to find a legal way to do it and can’t. This jives with my suspicion that this is an improper attempt to circumvent a collective bargaining process just like the NFL claims. Just because the judge thinks Vilma is right, doesn’t mean the law will allow her to side with him. Anyway her decision is largely irrelevant if she rules for Vilma. His lawyer picked this court. They picked a judge that they thought might rule in their favor. They won’t have that advantage when it is appealed. On the other hand if she doesn’t rule in favor of Vilma no judge probably will. But they know they have little chance of winning. It’s all about getting the suspension put on hold so he can play this season.</p>
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<p>You can see I posted this at 12:20 then it is deleted. WHy? I guess there is an obvious attempt to rid the article of comments that point out the obvious.<br />
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<p>See what I mean&#8230;check back deleted again.  You can clearly see I posted comment at 12:20 then copied it, FLorio deletes, I post at 12:58, copy again, then FLorio deletes, I post again.  SO you can clearly see his lack of professional values doesn&#8217;t just apply to articles like this.</p>
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		<title>By: zinn22</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What the Judge appears to be doing here is trying to put pressure on both parties to settle.  She let Vilma and the league know that Vilma had met some of the elements he needed to succeed in that the hearings were unfair and lacked due process but to succeed he needs to show Goodell went beyond his authority and  power.  That element will become clearer once they arbitrator makes his decision.  She is sending a message to both parties here that they may lose and they should consider a settlement before 8/30.

Often times judges realize something is unfair and want to correct bit but the law that party.  Oftentimes they will express their outrage at the bad actor but still decide in that partys favor.  That is what she seems to be saying here.  That unless the arbitrator decides in the players favor or Vilmas lawyers can give her  a better legal theory she is going to decide with the league.  Even though that is something she would rather not do.  

One thing that is taught and drilled into every lawyer in law school is fairness and the importance of due process. Something Vilma was not granted here.  I am not surprised she was outraged.  But things like this happen everyday where judges have to decide against people they think are right and have been unfailry damaged.  But in this case its not because of poor law but because of a poor agreement made by the players.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the Judge appears to be doing here is trying to put pressure on both parties to settle.  She let Vilma and the league know that Vilma had met some of the elements he needed to succeed in that the hearings were unfair and lacked due process but to succeed he needs to show Goodell went beyond his authority and  power.  That element will become clearer once they arbitrator makes his decision.  She is sending a message to both parties here that they may lose and they should consider a settlement before 8/30.</p>
<p>Often times judges realize something is unfair and want to correct bit but the law that party.  Oftentimes they will express their outrage at the bad actor but still decide in that partys favor.  That is what she seems to be saying here.  That unless the arbitrator decides in the players favor or Vilmas lawyers can give her  a better legal theory she is going to decide with the league.  Even though that is something she would rather not do.  </p>
<p>One thing that is taught and drilled into every lawyer in law school is fairness and the importance of due process. Something Vilma was not granted here.  I am not surprised she was outraged.  But things like this happen everyday where judges have to decide against people they think are right and have been unfailry damaged.  But in this case its not because of poor law but because of a poor agreement made by the players.</p>
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		<title>By: fmwarner</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do this many of you idiots really not know what a judge&#039;s job is?  You&#039;re all complaining that she&#039;s not being impartial (a word you don&#039;t know the definition of) because she&#039;s formed an opinion.

What are judges there for if not to render an opinion?  Judges should approach a trial with impartiality, but the nature of their job is to let the facts of the case sway them one way or another.  She&#039;s clearly found Vilma&#039;s arguments more compelling, but isn&#039;t sure if there is a legal remedy.

What do you think would happen if a judge failed to have an opinion on every case before them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do this many of you idiots really not know what a judge&#8217;s job is?  You&#8217;re all complaining that she&#8217;s not being impartial (a word you don&#8217;t know the definition of) because she&#8217;s formed an opinion.</p>
<p>What are judges there for if not to render an opinion?  Judges should approach a trial with impartiality, but the nature of their job is to let the facts of the case sway them one way or another.  She&#8217;s clearly found Vilma&#8217;s arguments more compelling, but isn&#8217;t sure if there is a legal remedy.</p>
<p>What do you think would happen if a judge failed to have an opinion on every case before them?</p>
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		<title>By: FinFan68</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tscarlato says:
Aug 10, 2012 11:42 AM
Billsfan,

In this case it’s more like the juror saying “if you don’t show me any evidence to support your claim then I’m going to find for the other guy.”
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The one making a &quot;claim&quot; in this court is Vilma, not the league.  Simply saying the process was unfair should not be enough for Vilma to win.  He would have to show evidence to support his claim that the league violated the process agreed upon in the CBA.  That should be pretty hard to do since he 1) failed to participate in the investigation 2) chose not to discuss the initial findings with Goodell 3) grandstanded and left the appeal process and 4) never offered a defense of any kind until the process he is complaining about was over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tscarlato says:<br />
Aug 10, 2012 11:42 AM<br />
Billsfan,</p>
<p>In this case it’s more like the juror saying “if you don’t show me any evidence to support your claim then I’m going to find for the other guy.”<br />
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The one making a &#8220;claim&#8221; in this court is Vilma, not the league.  Simply saying the process was unfair should not be enough for Vilma to win.  He would have to show evidence to support his claim that the league violated the process agreed upon in the CBA.  That should be pretty hard to do since he 1) failed to participate in the investigation 2) chose not to discuss the initial findings with Goodell 3) grandstanded and left the appeal process and 4) never offered a defense of any kind until the process he is complaining about was over.</p>
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		<title>By: twisteditoff</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this judges comments should be ground for disbar]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this judges comments should be ground for disbar</p>
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		<title>By: CKL</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[panamon says:
Aug 10, 2012 11:09 AM
Regardless of what she does the final outcome will also include Vilma posting something silly on Twitter.
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Isn&#039;t that the truth? He may well be 100% right in his fight, but his attitude reflected by his comments is very unprofessional.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>panamon says:<br />
Aug 10, 2012 11:09 AM<br />
Regardless of what she does the final outcome will also include Vilma posting something silly on Twitter.<br />
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Isn&#8217;t that the truth? He may well be 100% right in his fight, but his attitude reflected by his comments is very unprofessional.</p>
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		<title>By: jealst</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dennisatunity says:
Aug 10, 2012 11:21 AM
That is very odd. She makes her decision first and then she is going to search for the legal foundation with which to justify it? She is supposed to see where the law takes her, not make a decision first and then look for support. I don’t care which side you support, how messed up is that?

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About as messed up as when Goodell did it to the players.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dennisatunity says:<br />
Aug 10, 2012 11:21 AM<br />
That is very odd. She makes her decision first and then she is going to search for the legal foundation with which to justify it? She is supposed to see where the law takes her, not make a decision first and then look for support. I don’t care which side you support, how messed up is that?</p>
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<p>About as messed up as when Goodell did it to the players.</p>
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		<title>By: 4evrnyt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Vilma gets off it&#039;ll be a shame.  Let&#039;s just apply the O.J. tag here and stop acting like this guy even deserves to have a hearing in the first place.  He&#039;s guilty, we all know he&#039;s guilty and yet there is still a chance he could get off.  

This judge should be ashamed of herself if she doesn&#039;t anything but dismiss the players request to overturn the suspensions.

@jimr10 :  you are the smartest most intelligent person I&#039;ve ever read a blog post from.  You&#039;re view is exactly right on and correct and I have absolutely nothing bad to say about your intelligence level or complete and total lack there of.  I wish there were more people like you in the world just so I could continue to feel like the smartest person alive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Vilma gets off it&#8217;ll be a shame.  Let&#8217;s just apply the O.J. tag here and stop acting like this guy even deserves to have a hearing in the first place.  He&#8217;s guilty, we all know he&#8217;s guilty and yet there is still a chance he could get off.  </p>
<p>This judge should be ashamed of herself if she doesn&#8217;t anything but dismiss the players request to overturn the suspensions.</p>
<p>@jimr10 :  you are the smartest most intelligent person I&#8217;ve ever read a blog post from.  You&#8217;re view is exactly right on and correct and I have absolutely nothing bad to say about your intelligence level or complete and total lack there of.  I wish there were more people like you in the world just so I could continue to feel like the smartest person alive.</p>
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		<title>By: dx316ns</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sb44wrldchmpions</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nobody, anywhere in this country, has the authority to punish someone for an acquisition without proof. Not at work, school (private or public), sports etc. I don&#039;t understand what you ppl don&#039;t understand about that. Whether you or Goodell THINK Vilma or the players/coaches are guilty is irrelevant. Prove it!! I hope Vilma and all involved get a slap on the wrist just because of how Goodell handled this. There&#039;s not one person on here who can watch the games from the last three seasons and point out one single play where it look like a saints player tried to hurt someone on purpose. If you think they did, then go look up Ray Lewis, Laron Laundry, Troy P., and all those other players who don&#039;t try let ppl know who there when they have a chance. Clearly most of y&#039;all who comment on here have never played or was not any good at football and do not know how the game is taught and played from little league up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody, anywhere in this country, has the authority to punish someone for an acquisition without proof. Not at work, school (private or public), sports etc. I don&#8217;t understand what you ppl don&#8217;t understand about that. Whether you or Goodell THINK Vilma or the players/coaches are guilty is irrelevant. Prove it!! I hope Vilma and all involved get a slap on the wrist just because of how Goodell handled this. There&#8217;s not one person on here who can watch the games from the last three seasons and point out one single play where it look like a saints player tried to hurt someone on purpose. If you think they did, then go look up Ray Lewis, Laron Laundry, Troy P., and all those other players who don&#8217;t try let ppl know who there when they have a chance. Clearly most of y&#8217;all who comment on here have never played or was not any good at football and do not know how the game is taught and played from little league up.</p>
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		<title>By: grandpoopah</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The law, as interpreted by the judge, should determine the outcome of a case. Here the judge has already determined the outcome and will now just interpret the law in whatever way is necessary to produce that pre-determined outcome. There is a name for courts that operate like that, and it is has nothing to do with the Outback.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law, as interpreted by the judge, should determine the outcome of a case. Here the judge has already determined the outcome and will now just interpret the law in whatever way is necessary to produce that pre-determined outcome. There is a name for courts that operate like that, and it is has nothing to do with the Outback.</p>
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		<title>By: sclement65</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope Vilma loses .. no disrespect, but if he wins, it sets precedent that the players run the league… they gave goodell all the power in exchange for more money and now are using the court system to get the power back? entirely unfair…. forget bounties, id ban him for life just for this

No, it keeps Goodell from making crap up.]]></description>
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		<title>By: brenenostler</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vilma did it. He knows. Ok, yes the evidence may not be specific enough to show that he was directly involved. 

But really Vilma? Do you really want to be that guy? Your coaches took &quot;full responsibility&quot; for what happened....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vilma did it. He knows. Ok, yes the evidence may not be specific enough to show that he was directly involved. </p>
<p>But really Vilma? Do you really want to be that guy? Your coaches took &#8220;full responsibility&#8221; for what happened&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: musicman495</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[eaglebranded says: Aug 10, 2012 12:41 PM

What if the player who told all this stuff is still on the team. Should the NFL say who he is and what he said. Will the team keep the guy and let him play.
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Who says it was a player?  Who says it was not some disgruntled former office staffer who had an axe to grind and has no credibility at all in terms of their ability to know the truth?

My guess is that this NFL excuse that &quot;we want to protect whistle blowers&quot; is a sanctimonious, phony smokescreen.  I say there are two reasons why Goodell will not reveal the evidence - the &quot;evidence&quot; and &quot;witnesses&quot; will not stand up to scrutiny (as in fact we have already seen with the so-called &quot;ledger&quot;), and/or the evidence also includes evidence that this practice was widespread all over the league, which he does not want to become public because of the concussion lawsuits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>eaglebranded says: Aug 10, 2012 12:41 PM</p>
<p>What if the player who told all this stuff is still on the team. Should the NFL say who he is and what he said. Will the team keep the guy and let him play.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Who says it was a player?  Who says it was not some disgruntled former office staffer who had an axe to grind and has no credibility at all in terms of their ability to know the truth?</p>
<p>My guess is that this NFL excuse that &#8220;we want to protect whistle blowers&#8221; is a sanctimonious, phony smokescreen.  I say there are two reasons why Goodell will not reveal the evidence &#8211; the &#8220;evidence&#8221; and &#8220;witnesses&#8221; will not stand up to scrutiny (as in fact we have already seen with the so-called &#8220;ledger&#8221;), and/or the evidence also includes evidence that this practice was widespread all over the league, which he does not want to become public because of the concussion lawsuits.</p>
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		<title>By: johnnyjagfan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@geniusfan:


She&#039;s a federal judge with lifetime tenure.  She doesn&#039;t have elections.  

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<p>She&#8217;s a federal judge with lifetime tenure.  She doesn&#8217;t have elections.  </p>
<p>May be time for a new username..</p>
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		<title>By: dkalev</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope Vilma loses .. no disrespect, but if he wins, it sets precedent that the players run the league... they gave goodell all the power in exchange for more money and now are using the court system to get the power back? entirely unfair.... forget bounties, id ban him for life just for this]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Vilma loses .. no disrespect, but if he wins, it sets precedent that the players run the league&#8230; they gave goodell all the power in exchange for more money and now are using the court system to get the power back? entirely unfair&#8230;. forget bounties, id ban him for life just for this</p>
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		<title>By: really2011</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boy these comments get interesting - forget the fact that the Judge is being criticized for allegedly doing what we know Goodell has done (pre-determine the outcome).  Even if that were accurate it still makes critics hypocritical, but feel free to peruse any live updates...

Comments like...
Judge- &quot;I would like to rule in Vilma&#039;s favor.  I do think you exhausted your remedies.&quot;  

&quot;I do think you exhausted remedies before Mr. Goodell.  You were thwarted at every turn by Goodell.  Penalties were too harsh.&quot;

&quot;However, I don&#039;t think you&#039;ve exhausted remedies under Burbanks, so I&#039;m not sure I can do anything.&quot;

Judge thinks process was unfair, punishment excessive, and that RG did not have power to discipline in these cases.

Berrigan looked like she wants to stay out and for NFL/players to settle for suspensions.

No ruling from judge.  Urges parties to talk because she will need time to decide.  Settlement may be faster than her decision.

May need to exhaust internal appeal of burbank ruling &amp; judge suggests that cartoffs are bounties.  So, mostly good for plyrs, but bag mixed

Long story short there is a long list of tweets about this event and this isn&#039;t the first installment.  There have already been testimonies and hearings and even this morning she had already delved into cartoffs etc prior to talking about her thoughts.  The fact that so many &quot;fans&quot; can read a story or comment out of context and draw a sweeping opinion is the genesis and continuation of this issue.

How about some with such strong opinions actually leave the article and find the rest of the detail before you decide what someone did, lied, and sued about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy these comments get interesting &#8211; forget the fact that the Judge is being criticized for allegedly doing what we know Goodell has done (pre-determine the outcome).  Even if that were accurate it still makes critics hypocritical, but feel free to peruse any live updates&#8230;</p>
<p>Comments like&#8230;<br />
Judge- &#8220;I would like to rule in Vilma&#8217;s favor.  I do think you exhausted your remedies.&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;I do think you exhausted remedies before Mr. Goodell.  You were thwarted at every turn by Goodell.  Penalties were too harsh.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;However, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve exhausted remedies under Burbanks, so I&#8217;m not sure I can do anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>Judge thinks process was unfair, punishment excessive, and that RG did not have power to discipline in these cases.</p>
<p>Berrigan looked like she wants to stay out and for NFL/players to settle for suspensions.</p>
<p>No ruling from judge.  Urges parties to talk because she will need time to decide.  Settlement may be faster than her decision.</p>
<p>May need to exhaust internal appeal of burbank ruling &amp; judge suggests that cartoffs are bounties.  So, mostly good for plyrs, but bag mixed</p>
<p>Long story short there is a long list of tweets about this event and this isn&#8217;t the first installment.  There have already been testimonies and hearings and even this morning she had already delved into cartoffs etc prior to talking about her thoughts.  The fact that so many &#8220;fans&#8221; can read a story or comment out of context and draw a sweeping opinion is the genesis and continuation of this issue.</p>
<p>How about some with such strong opinions actually leave the article and find the rest of the detail before you decide what someone did, lied, and sued about.</p>
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		<title>By: flipx99</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[geniusfan says:Aug 10, 2012 11:18 AM 

What do you expect? She’s a Louisiana judge and wants to get re-elected.
 
Conflict of interest.
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Hey &quot;genius&quot;  fan --  she is a federal judge with a lifetime appointment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geniusfan says:Aug 10, 2012 11:18 AM </p>
<p>What do you expect? She’s a Louisiana judge and wants to get re-elected.</p>
<p>Conflict of interest.<br />
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<p>Hey &#8220;genius&#8221;  fan &#8212;  she is a federal judge with a lifetime appointment.</p>
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		<title>By: eaglebranded</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What if the player who told all this stuff is still on the team. Should the NFL say who he is and what he said. Will the team keep the guy and let him play. Will he make it out new Orleans if people knew who he was ?  Vilma knows its too dangerous to do that so he is playing his cards .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if the player who told all this stuff is still on the team. Should the NFL say who he is and what he said. Will the team keep the guy and let him play. Will he make it out new Orleans if people knew who he was ?  Vilma knows its too dangerous to do that so he is playing his cards .</p>
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		<title>By: saintondabeach</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Federal Judges do not coddle frivolous claims and the fact that she continues to weigh the effects of individual clauses in the CBA indicates that under the applicable labor law she has the ability to interpret an agreement where the language produces unresolved conflicts.  Normal contract rules hold that a specific clause overrides a general clause, but I do not know if this is true in labor law.  I also believe the Judge may have felt that the NFL appeal process has not yet run its course.  Last hearing she observed that the failure to form the appeal panel was a CBA violation, now they have so she has a legitimate reason to withhold any decision because the facts have now been altered by the defendant.  I would believe that if the panel does not address the issue which she outlined today, the conflict between the Conduct Detrimental and  Pay for Performance clauses,  then they will have given her a clear path to apply a judicial determination to a contract which is internally inconsistent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Federal Judges do not coddle frivolous claims and the fact that she continues to weigh the effects of individual clauses in the CBA indicates that under the applicable labor law she has the ability to interpret an agreement where the language produces unresolved conflicts.  Normal contract rules hold that a specific clause overrides a general clause, but I do not know if this is true in labor law.  I also believe the Judge may have felt that the NFL appeal process has not yet run its course.  Last hearing she observed that the failure to form the appeal panel was a CBA violation, now they have so she has a legitimate reason to withhold any decision because the facts have now been altered by the defendant.  I would believe that if the panel does not address the issue which she outlined today, the conflict between the Conduct Detrimental and  Pay for Performance clauses,  then they will have given her a clear path to apply a judicial determination to a contract which is internally inconsistent.</p>
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		<title>By: silentcount</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The key point to remember -- If Vilma did not do what Goodell publicly accused him of, then it would be wrong for him to serve a one year suspension. Credible players and coaches have sworn under oath that Vilma is innocent, and Goodell hasn&#039;t shown valid proof to Vilma that he&#039;s guilty. Perhaps many of the commenters here should stop eagerly supporting Goodell simply so their team could have a better chance of beating a wounded Saints team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key point to remember &#8212; If Vilma did not do what Goodell publicly accused him of, then it would be wrong for him to serve a one year suspension. Credible players and coaches have sworn under oath that Vilma is innocent, and Goodell hasn&#8217;t shown valid proof to Vilma that he&#8217;s guilty. Perhaps many of the commenters here should stop eagerly supporting Goodell simply so their team could have a better chance of beating a wounded Saints team.</p>
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		<title>By: jared2020</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I dare say if some of us were the judge in that court room today, hearing some of the intricacies of this process, and how RG handled this situation.. We may be shocked to feel the same way as this judge did today.

I am a neutral party in this. I want to see &quot;discovery&quot; of ALL THE &quot;EVIDENCE&quot;, RG had  and in turn used in his decision process to punish the players, coaches, and organization.

If it is not up to snuff. If it is as benign as all of the other pay for performance programs that have been going on throughout the league for years.. One must question Goodell&#039;s motive in this. Is it to &quot;protect the game&quot;, or is it posturing for the future injury lawsuits by retired players?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dare say if some of us were the judge in that court room today, hearing some of the intricacies of this process, and how RG handled this situation.. We may be shocked to feel the same way as this judge did today.</p>
<p>I am a neutral party in this. I want to see &#8220;discovery&#8221; of ALL THE &#8220;EVIDENCE&#8221;, RG had  and in turn used in his decision process to punish the players, coaches, and organization.</p>
<p>If it is not up to snuff. If it is as benign as all of the other pay for performance programs that have been going on throughout the league for years.. One must question Goodell&#8217;s motive in this. Is it to &#8220;protect the game&#8221;, or is it posturing for the future injury lawsuits by retired players?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jimr10 says: Aug 10, 2012 11:04 AM

Looks like Kessler and smith now own the NFL. why is anyone surprised a liberal democrat judge would rule in favor of what is right.

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Only really stupid people believe that only liberal judges make bad decisions. Fact is, both sides make horrible decisions at times. Campaign finance being at the top of the list for conservatives. Please leave the political commentary on foxnews or cnn. I just want to hear about football.]]></description>
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<p>Looks like Kessler and smith now own the NFL. why is anyone surprised a liberal democrat judge would rule in favor of what is right.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Only really stupid people believe that only liberal judges make bad decisions. Fact is, both sides make horrible decisions at times. Campaign finance being at the top of the list for conservatives. Please leave the political commentary on foxnews or cnn. I just want to hear about football.</p>
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