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Still nothing happening between Ravens, Flacco

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It’s looking more and more likely that Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco won’t have a new contract when the 2012 season begins.

After Flacco’s impressive preseason showing against the Jaguars in the all-important (or, more accurately, less-unimportant) third preseason game, in which Flacco completed 27 of 36 passes for 266 yards and two touchdowns (plus one interception), we asked agent Joe Linta if anything is happening on the contract front.

“Not really,” Linta said, adding that “Joe is happy playing it out.”

That doesn’t mean the door on any further negotiations is closed.  Linta reiterated that there will be no shutdown in talks at any point.  Last year, Saints quarterback Drew Brees pulled the plug on negotiations because he regarded the ongoing inability to work out a contract as a distraction; Linta and Flacco don’t feel the same way.

The challenge will be to gauge Flacco’s value.  Linta has said Flacco deserves top-five money, if the deciding factor is wins and losses.  (If all the guys whose agents, coaches, or teammates thought should be in the top five were in the top five, there would be 15 guys in the top five.)  At the other extreme, some regard Flacco as a modern-day Trent Dilfer, whose wins come not from the quarterback’s arm but from his cast of characters, primarily on defense.

The truth lies somewhere in between.  Flacco’s career stats compare favorably to the other quarterback who entered the league via the first round of the 2008 draft — Matt Ryan.  And Flacco has five postseason wins in four years; Ryan is 0-3, capped with a zero-point offensive effort against the Giants in January.

By not doing a deal now, the Ravens risk Flacco stepping up in a way that forces them to give him a lot more than they’d like to give him now, especially after Brees set the bar even higher with his new contract.  Maybe for the Ravens that would be a good problem to have.

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38 Responses to “Still nothing happening between Ravens, Flacco”
  1. jaxisgreat says: Aug 25, 2012 8:55 AM

    No mo for No show Mojo. Flacco has enough brains to figure out if you want a new contract you must show up and perform.

  2. kuta82 says: Aug 25, 2012 9:27 AM

    As a Bengals I gotta say that Flacco will show the NFL world that he can win games with his arm too and only rely on the great D to win it for the team..He has had an impressive preseason so far and I’ve seen him take charge on the field like a General not a Manager…Just my thought

  3. sixlombardisinyourface says: Aug 25, 2012 9:31 AM

    The Ravens know he’ll never bring them a Lombardi Trophy.

  4. ud1hens says: Aug 25, 2012 9:39 AM

    From all reports from OTAs, training camp practices, and the preseason games, Flacco is really coming into his own. He seems to be extremely comfortable with Jim Caldwell as the QB coach and you can see improvements in his footwork, release, and recognizing defenses. He looks poised to have a big year. If the preseason offense is any indication of what’s to come, the no-huddle, up-tempo style of play will take the reins off of Flacco and allow him to dictate the offense. The contract will take care of itself if he goes out and has a strong season.

  5. greglloydrules says: Aug 25, 2012 10:04 AM

    This is not cause I hate the Ravens, but I still see no reason why he deserves a long term contract for the money he wants. If he puts up great numbers this year, by all means sign the kid. 3600-4200 yards…25+ TD’s…less than 12 picks…and a 90+ rating. That’s what he needs for a new contract.

  6. ravenator says: Aug 25, 2012 10:05 AM

    Steeler fans still bitter after being swept and tebowd by a backup qb on a sub par team

  7. youhavenoclue says: Aug 25, 2012 10:06 AM

    Joe Flacco #15 QB in the NFL.. maybe we should called him Average Joe

  8. bornsteel62 says: Aug 25, 2012 10:40 AM

    1. Rodgers
    2. Brees
    3. Brady
    4. Manning
    5. Rivers
    6. Manning
    7. Schaub
    8. Romo
    9. BB
    10. Cutler

    Please tell me which of those teams would trade their QB for Average Joe Flacco ??
    @ravenator, your obsession with all things Steelers is laughable. At least we didn’t get Cundiff’d… We’ll be saving a seat on the Black & Gold Bus for you.

  9. bobzilla1001 says: Aug 25, 2012 11:37 AM

    greglloydrules: From one fellow Steelers fan to another, I’m wondering why you think Flacco needs to throw more than 25 TD passes and fewer than 12 interceptions to get a contract like the one Roethlisberger has?
    Have you ever actually checked out our QB’s stats? Last season: 21 TD passes and 14 picks in 15 games. In 2004, Roethlisberger’s rookie season, he threw 17 TD passes in 13 games. That’s not a lot of improvement in EIGHT seasons.
    Flacco, unfortunately, seems to be showing some improvement each season.

  10. ahostiletakeover says: Aug 25, 2012 11:48 AM

    Gotta love all of the Flacco naysayers who still raise their ugly heads out of the muck. One of my best friends and I were watching the beginning of the Lions-Ravens preseason game and he noted “I have never seen Flacco get to make calls at the line like he is in this game, and I’ve been watching him with you for 4 years.” The Cam Cameron leash is finally off and Flacco has a better repor with all the guys that he was throwing to essentially for the first time last year (Torrey Smith, their 2 young TEs), not to mention he actually has a QB coach to help him along this year, and a pretty solid one at that. Get ready to choke on your words this season scugs.

  11. jeffpeabody says: Aug 25, 2012 11:48 AM

    How can Flacco be so diabolical?

  12. tyler200829 says: Aug 25, 2012 12:02 PM

    @bornsteel62 first of all how is rivers top 5 over manning coming off a career worst year? And I’d take flacco over cutler Schaub and Romo. You guys don’t realize the only difference between Flacco and the other QBs with a combined what 1 career playoff win?…..is that Flacco also has the best RB in the league. So they give rice carries in order to win, thus making you think he’s not an elite QBS because the ravens are better than all those teams meaning they don’t have to throw 40 times a game. Watch some games and become educated morons.

  13. steelersownyou says: Aug 25, 2012 12:19 PM

    @bobzilla. You’re an embarassment to steeleer fans everywhere. Your dumb rants about big ben are so off. I’ll bet he must of drilled you in the bathroom to have this much hate towards him!

  14. qwerty007qwerty007 says: Aug 25, 2012 12:36 PM

    1. Rodgers
    2. Brees
    3. Brady
    4. Manning
    5. Rivers
    6. Manning
    7. Schaub
    8. Romo
    9. BB
    10. Cutler

    Yahhhhhh….not sure how you put Rivers, Schaub and Romo ahead of BB – the guy with two rings in three trips. How many SB’s have those three been to, combined?

    And if it were only because of the defense, as many purport, then the Steelers and the Raven would be AFC champs for the past 10 – 15 seasons.

    How many times, post the 4 SB’s of the Bradshaw era, did Pitt win the Lombardi trophy? In the 80′s…All those great defenses and nothing…

    Along comes BB and lo and behold…2 outta 3 trips.

  15. rodgers419 says: Aug 25, 2012 12:39 PM

    “At the other extreme, some regard Flacco as a modern-day Trent Dilfer, whose wins come not from the quarterback’s arm but from his cast of characters, primarily on defense.”

    That’s not an extreme. That’s the median. Joe Flacco is a slightly above average quarterback at best; perhaps in the #13-#15/32 range. The ravens win with Rice and their defense whereas Joe Flacco is just along for the ride.

  16. vincentbojackson says: Aug 25, 2012 12:54 PM

    The Ravens are really rolling the dice. If Flacco has a big year it will cost them plenty and they have little cap room. If Flacco has a sub-par year, they’ll get him at their price.

    It’s obvious they’re not all in with Flacco or they’d already have a deal done.

  17. jesse834 says: Aug 25, 2012 12:59 PM

    LOL, Matt Ryan is by far the most overrated QB in the league. Looking forward to another year where he chokes in the playoffs, still gets a free pass from the media for his awesome I mean horrible outing in the playoffs from the media. Yet if it is Flacco who does the same thing he gets beat up.

    I just have feeling this dude is going to make major progress this year since their is just something about QB’s and their wives giving birth of late.

  18. baltimoresnativeson says: Aug 25, 2012 1:04 PM

    If Ravens only win with their defense why were they 5-11 the year before Flacco arrived? But haven’t missed the playoffs since?

    And if Ray Rice carries the offense how did Flacco get to the AFC championship his rookie year when Rice didn’t start for most of the year or the playoffs?

    Hmmmm, makes you wonder.

  19. baltimoresnativeson says: Aug 25, 2012 1:09 PM

    Aug 25, 2012 12:54 PM

    “The Ravens are really rolling the dice. If Flacco has a big year it will cost them plenty and they have little cap room. If Flacco has a sub-par year, they’ll get him at their price.

    It’s obvious they’re not all in with Flacco or they’d already have a deal done.”……

    Well by that horrible logic the saints were not all in with Drew Brees last year.

  20. flaccodelic says: Aug 25, 2012 1:10 PM

    You guys can throw out all the stats you want as reasons in your head for why they haven’t re-signed Flacco. Those of us who actually know the team can assure you this is the way Ozzie does business. This little chess match will work out for both sides, and the Ravens will pay less than the Redskins or Cowboys of the world. Honestly, this is why the Steelers are also always competitive- they don’t jump to throw money at someone just because the media says they need to.

  21. dlmcc1010 says: Aug 25, 2012 1:33 PM

    I dont like or hate the Ravens so i can look at this objectively. Flacco is not a top 5 QB.

    1) Rodgers
    2) Brees
    3) Brady

    Those three we can all agree are not up for debate

    I have 4) Eli Manning and 5) Ben Roethlisberger.

    Why these two? Because when their team needs a big play these two guys make it more often than not.

    Can you say that about Flacco? I dont think so. So you cant possibly put him ahead of these guys. I also like Rivers and Peyton Manning better than Flacco. At this point you wouldnt take Matt Stafford over him as well?

  22. randallflagg52 says: Aug 25, 2012 1:45 PM

    Flacco has thrown 25 TDs to 0 INTs in the red zone the past 2 years. No other QB can claim to be that good in the red zone, not one.

    Flacco has also never thrown more that 12 INTs in a season. Roethlisberger has led the league in turnovers at least once.

    Flacco has also never missed a start in his entire career.

    If Roethlisberger is so great why has he only made one pro bowl and has never been in the All Pro and MVP discussion? Joe Theisman was a better QB than Ben, he won rings and was league MVP. Joe will prove to all he is the top QB in the AFCN and a top QB this year, book it.

  23. thevelvetglove says: Aug 25, 2012 2:06 PM

    Flacco, that poor guy gets no respect.

    He’s not a bad player, he can make any throw, he’s just been stuck with bad receivers since he got there and now he has some good ones.

    I just don’t think he’s going to throw for 5k yards and people judge him unfairly due to his stats. You have Ray Rice, why throw?

  24. londonbengal says: Aug 25, 2012 2:50 PM

    You can have the best QB on the planet, but if you got a lousy placekicker, a whole season of hard-graft can just go up in a puff of dust.

    The look of disbelief on Ray Rices’ face when Cundiff missed that FG against the Pats will stay with me a long, long time.

    The AFCN is gonna be another titanic slugfest this year. Looking forward to it. Good luck everyone !!!!!

  25. bobzilla1001 says: Aug 25, 2012 2:55 PM

    steelersownyou: The Steelers might own you but they don’t own me. I’m an objective Steelers fan not afraid to be critical at times.
    I don’t know where you live, but I live in Pittsburgh, where it’s All Ben, All The time. I’m smart enough to know that the Steelers are a TEAM and that if the quarterback were as good as you and the media think, we’d be scoring 40 points a game, instead of 13.

  26. mistersmith22 says: Aug 25, 2012 3:06 PM

    “Flacco’s career stats compare favorably to the other quarterback who entered the league via the first round of the 2008 draft — Matt Ryan. And Flacco has five postseason wins in four years; Ryan is 0-3″

    Thanks for finally putting it out there that when it comes to the Flacco vs. Ryan comparison there IS NO comparison. Nearly identical numbers, but Joe makes wins happen — especially when it counts.

  27. ravenseattheirownpoop says: Aug 25, 2012 3:21 PM

    Unibrow is way below average. He couldn’t even crack the starting lineup at Pitt. Now he wants big money cause he’s on a team with a good defense? Go ahead and pay the fool. It will cripple you for the next 10 Yeats

  28. njsteelersfan says: Aug 25, 2012 3:45 PM

    ravenator says:Aug 25, 2012 10:05 AM

    Steeler fans still bitter after being swept and tebowd by a backup qb on a sub par team
    ________________________________
    So ravenator are all the Raven fans still bitter from all the time Pitt knocked the Ravens out of the playoffs Gee how many years is it now since they didn’t have to BUY a ticket to watch the big show 13yrs or something like that

  29. njsteelersfan says: Aug 25, 2012 3:49 PM

    bobzilla1001 says:Aug 25, 2012 2:55 PM

    steelersownyou: The Steelers might own you but they don’t own me. I’m an objective Steelers fan not afraid to be critical at times.
    I don’t know where you live, but I live in Pittsburgh, where it’s All Ben, All The time. I’m smart enough to know that the Steelers are a TEAM and that if the quarterback were as good as you and the media think, we’d be scoring 40 points a game, instead of 13.
    ———————————————–
    So your saying the WHOLE TEAM is Ben What types of drugs re you on ? There otherplayer that need to make plays to like the O line the D stopping the run I thin you better move to Cinn because you know S-it about anything about football

  30. dlmcc1010 says: Aug 25, 2012 3:58 PM

    “If Roethlisberger is so great why has he only made one pro bowl and has never been in the All Pro and MVP discussion? Joe Theisman was a better QB than Ben, he won rings and was league MVP. Joe will prove to all he is the top QB in the AFCN and a top QB this year, book it.”

    ———————————————————-

    Take a look at the QB’s he would have to contend with in the AFC. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning up until last year, Philip Rivers (who puts up better regular season yardage and TD numbers than both of them). Its not going to be easy for him to make the Pro Bowl or be an All Pro going up against those guys

  31. steelfan1 says: Aug 25, 2012 4:04 PM

    As a steelers fan i do have to say i respect Joe Flacco a lot. But Joe just like Ben when he first came into the league is a victim of his own team. Flacco just like Ben came into a loaded team, which makes people question how good he really is.

    When it’s all said and done, Flacco will get a contract similar to Big Ben, but i believe the Ravens front office want to see Flacco take it to the next level and the way he has been playing this year so far, only injury can deter him from making to the next level.

  32. tommythetruthteller says: Aug 25, 2012 4:08 PM

    If kept clean and his first read is open, Flacco can make a throw. What keeps him from being a top 10 QB is his inability to adjust to adversity in the pocket. This is usually an inate quality that a QB possesses.He does not have it and likely never will since it has not been demonstrated in over 50 starts.

    He has been protected by a good defense, a good running game (most big plays come off of play action) and conservative play calling (Cam knows what Flacco is).

    If he would have been drafted by a lesser team, he would have been benched by now.

    Ozzie is too smart to commit franchise QB money to an average talent.

    Giving him a long-term deal now would virtually guarantee years without a franchise QB…especially when Ray and Ed are gone.

    We Ravens fans deserve better. I trust Ozzie will do the right thing.

  33. ahostiletakeover says: Aug 25, 2012 4:24 PM

    So steelersownyou’s defense against an objective fan pointing out that Roethlisberger doesn’t put up elite numbers is to essentially admit that his QB is a bathroom rapist. You can’t make up that kind of stupidity folks.

  34. noturavragepunk says: Aug 25, 2012 4:32 PM

    @dlmcc, Flacco makes a lot of big plays, Two years in a row he made last minute throws to win games in Pittsburgh. Last year him and Bolden helped the team have its biggest 4th quarter come back in team history. Some times his teammates have dropped the ball, literally. Lee Evans last year, Housh and Bolden the year before. Those were playoff games, so most people remember them. A few years ago Clayton dropped a game winning pass in New England. And the Ravens switched to Cundiff in 09 after the previous kicker missed a game winning field goal in Minnesota.

    I think Flacco has always been better then Cutler, and has been as good as Romo and Shaub. And Payton doesn’t look that good this season, so Flacco could be in the mix. Along with Ryan and Stafford.

    Thanks for the love from the Cincy and Pittsburgh fans. It should be another fun battle for this division. And it starts,week one.

  35. bobzilla1001 says: Aug 25, 2012 5:20 PM

    njsteelersfan: Please go back and re-read what I posted to steelersownyou. I’m actually saying the exact opposite of what you think I said.
    My entire point is that the Steelers are a TEAM, and that the team’s offense has been more of a liability than an asset.
    This is a great site, with just one problem: Too many giddy fans too blinded to sort fact from meida myths.
    Roethlisberger is a GOOD quarterback who spends most games playing average, made possible by a defense that has kept scores low. I’m tired of ONE PLAYER (Roethlisberger) getting all the credit but never any blame.
    Pretty simple.

  36. ihateravens says: Aug 25, 2012 6:19 PM

    Flacco is average at best. Can’t win the big one and can’t rally his team. Raven management is smart enough to know that this guy can’t manage an offense.

    Defense carried him for the first 4 years. Now that T-Sizzel is out we’ll see if the Uni-Brow can win 9 games all year.

    Ravens suck and so do their fans.

  37. lennylyles says: Aug 25, 2012 7:36 PM

    Flacco, 31 touchdowns and zero interceptions the last two years in the red zone. Ron Jaworski who spent the spring and summer breaking down film ranked him in his top 10. He has rallied the Ravens driving 90 yard in Heinz to defeat the
    Steelers on TD pass to Smith last year. In 2010 he drove 60 yards at Heinz ending with last second TD pass to Housh. Can’t win the big one????? What the hell does he have to do? He put the ball right in Lee Evans hands in yet another last minute drive in AFC championship game. I guess it was Flacco’s fault Cunfiff missed the field goal to tie that game too.

  38. steelersownyou says: Aug 26, 2012 12:10 AM

    @bobzilla. We call your type a yinzer. I’m sure you think marc andre fleury sucks too. Thats a common characteristic of a typical pittsburgh yinzer! The goalie & the QB are never goodenough they always suck in yinzers eyes! Ive heard it all before from uneducated people like you. You would think in the awful history of steeler Qb’s you would appreciate ben’s greatness.. Allow me to name a few.. Kordell stewart, cliff stoudt, mark malone, neil odonnel…Like I said scrubs.. And yes im saying it. Loud & proud. Big Ben is th only reason that offense can function. He won super bowls with the worst o-lines in the history of the nfl! Put brady, brees, manning etc..behind them o-lines they wouldnt be able to do nothing! Ben is the sole offense of the steelers! And hes a 1st ballot hall of famer. Embrace it cause its real!

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