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Fan outcry won’t affect ref lockout, but coaches and GMs might

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Fans will continue to complain about bad calls made by the NFL’s replacement officials, but fans are powerless to end the NFL’s lockout of its regular officials. Coaches and general managers complaining about bad calls, however, could be enough to persuade the owners to do what it takes to bring back the regular refs.

That’s the word from former NFL head of officiating Mike Pereira, who said on the Dan Patrick Show that he doesn’t believe the owners and the league office are going to bring back the best officials just to placate the fans. What needs to happen is for coaches and general managers to speak up and say that second-rate officiating is unacceptable.

“The pressure of fans being unhappy is not going to solve this issue,” Pereira said. “If there’s real movement by the league I think it’s going to have to be that coaches step up and GMs step up because of mistakes that are being made that they feel like the regular officials won’t make on Sundays. That, to me, is where the pressure is going to come from that will force the league to move. And if it doesn’t, this is going to go on for a long time.”

The NFL knows that fans love football enough that we’re going to watch the games no matter who the officials are. And so the owners aren’t concerned that angering the fans by locking out the officials could affect their bottom lines. But if the owner has his head coach and his general manager in his office, telling him, “These refs are going to cost us a game,” that might be a message that gets the owner to act.

If the majority of the owners get that message, we might see the NFL decide to meet the regular officials’ demands. If not, we may have replacement officials well beyond Week One.

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  1. iced107 says: Aug 30, 2012 11:40 AM

    Takes 3 (4 for 6 other teams) to realize that all this terrible officiating “might” cost some teams some games.

    What’s worse is during some of the Blown or bad calls, is that sometimes there’s often blatant uncalled penalties.

    Example – Dallas vs St.Louis, TE Phillips is called for offensive PI while catching the ball at the two. Bad, terrible call. Even as a Ram fan, there was no PI.. So then you get to hear about it from the announcers and such.

    Same play, rewind the film – watch Robert Quinn beat Tyrone Smith and get blatantly held. Quinn kept beating Smith like Rihiana that night and held so many times it was ridiculious – but hey, no calls. And I fear this is happening around the league, which is a cause for concern for all players ’cause of injuries

  2. foul83 says: Aug 30, 2012 11:43 AM

    That was definitely pass interference.

  3. mjkelly77 says: Aug 30, 2012 11:46 AM

    Fan outcry won’t affect ref lockout, but coaches and GMs might
    ______________

    What fan outcry? By my estimation, 80% of fans know what’s going on and agree with the NFL on this one. The greedy part-time referees are already overcompensated. $150,000 per year. Great medical insurance. A six figure lifetime pension. For part-time work? This is their 2nd jobs for Krissakes.

  4. millertime30 says: Aug 30, 2012 11:51 AM

    Because the league don’t care about youuuuu

    They already have their season ticket holder money. Just as many people will watch the games.. why should they care, really?

  5. ytownjoe says: Aug 30, 2012 11:52 AM

    The Cleveland Browns open the season against the Philadelphia Eagles and do not have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning the game
    But with inexperienced refs calling the game, maybe, just maybe . . .
    Maybe there’s a chance?

  6. radrntn says: Aug 30, 2012 11:55 AM

    I just think as a raider fan you realize you can pretty much beat any team, but difficult to beat the refs…..I mean anybody who has half a brain, can tell the refs/league have it out for the raiders. When they lead the league in penalties for the past 30 years , thats a pretty good clue…

    I say bring on the replacements…they can’t be any worse .

  7. hawkster12 says: Aug 30, 2012 11:56 AM

    Pay all the money for season tickets, but have no voice. Pay full price for Pre Season tickets, but have no voice. When do fans have a voice in the quality of officiating when they are paying for the game, stadium, etc. What happened to the “fan experience” being so important? The NFL brass tends to be pretty one sided when it comes to what the fans want (reasonable/fair wants).

  8. wetakethewind says: Aug 30, 2012 11:57 AM

    Actually as a fan I don’t mind the replacements refs. Officiating is terrible in every sport. Won’t bother me either way whoever refs. These replacement refs blow calls just like the old refs did. I choose to not worry about the officiating and just enjoy football.

  9. mjkelly77 says: Aug 30, 2012 11:57 AM

    Terrible calls that cost teams games … I remember when the young and mobile replacement officials cost the Lions a game by ruling that a Calvin Johnson TD was not a catch. How could anyone make such a terrible call? These replacements … what? … that was the regular part-timers who made that atrocious call among many others? … never mind.

  10. easyeddie says: Aug 30, 2012 11:57 AM

    “If the majority of the owners get that message, we might see the NFL decide to meet the regular officials’ demands.”
    ———————————-

    “we might see the NFL decide to meet the regular officials’ demands”?

    You seriously expect the league to cave in to the regular officials demands?

  11. ldfontenot says: Aug 30, 2012 12:01 PM

    This isn’t about politics (although some of you insist on making everything about politics), it’s about what is best for the game. There is no reason that both sides can’t give up something and gain something in return. Now it’s just ridiculous posturing. When your team loses a regular season game because of some egregious call, then you might understand the urgent need to resolve this and start hollering for a compromise solution.

  12. theauger says: Aug 30, 2012 12:06 PM

    “Example – Dallas vs St.Louis, TE Phillips is called for offensive PI while catching the ball at the two. Bad, terrible call. Even as a Ram fan, there was no PI.. So then you get to hear about it from the announcers and such.”

    This happens every week of every season. P.I. calls are subjective and a lot of the time they are wrong. It doesn’t matter if it is the NFLRA officials or the replacements, both will & have made these “bad” calls.

    “Same play, rewind the film – watch Robert Quinn beat Tyrone Smith and get blatantly held. Quinn kept beating Smith like Rihiana that night and held so many times it was ridiculious – but hey, no calls. ”

    Once again, there are many plays with NFLRA officials that holding occurs & is never called. How many times in game do we have D-linemen not complaining about being held? Not too often.

    “And I fear this is happening around the league, which is a cause for concern for all players ’cause of injuries”

    This is simply a “red herring”. Doesn’t matter who the officials are, players are the ones responsible for each other’s safety. Officials and the NFL are their after the fact, to penalize. They cannot prevent players from being injured.

    Some people are holding the replacements to a higher standard that the NFLRA officials. This is laughable.

  13. commonsensedude says: Aug 30, 2012 12:19 PM

    “By my estimation, 80% of fans know what’s going on and agree with the NFL on this one.”

    Care to post your sources for that stat?

    I agree with the league on the hiring more refs thing but I completely disagree with allowing the replacement refs to work regular season games. It’s just crazy.

  14. melikefootball says: Aug 30, 2012 12:20 PM

    Interesting showing one of the Hairbaughs crying to an official. One good thing about replacements…they aren’t fixed on calling a cetrtian thing all the time…they call what they see. The regular officials weren’t all without my bads. Either group could cost a game to a team and have. One thing they have showed if they got it wrong they huddle up and get it correcterd.

  15. lonespeed says: Aug 30, 2012 12:21 PM

    From what I’m hearing, the fans don’t care…

    The old refs missed their fair share of calls. No doubt they were much better at the administration part of the game, but I don’t see a whole lot of difference otherwise.

    The owners offered the refs a significant raise but they all thought they were bigger than the game. Now their missing out on their gravy train.

    Too bad. I say let them sit. Eventually the new refs will catch up with the game. One-step back to make two-steps forward.

  16. dennisatunity says: Aug 30, 2012 12:22 PM

    Thank God that last season with the regular refs there was not a single complaint from coaches, GMs, players or fans about the quality of the officiating.

  17. murraychadwick says: Aug 30, 2012 12:23 PM

    I’m not as concerned with blowing calls as I am with the overall lack of game managment. It is painful to watch these guys try to explain penalties and try to get the ball spotted properly. I’ve seen it game after game throughout the pre-season. How many meetings does it take or replay reviews to determine the spot of the ball. The games are going to last 4 hours….lol.

  18. beavertonsteve says: Aug 30, 2012 12:24 PM

    I think the lack of a fan outcry has a much bigger influence on the league’s decision making than the so called outcry. I have a ton of friends who are football fans and you know what we’ve been talking about for a month? Robert Griffin III and Andrew Luck, Adrian Peterson’s knee, how bad the Jets have looked, How great Julio Jones has looked, Peyton Manning returning to the field…

    Notice anything missing here? If it wasn’t for some announcers, writers and talking heads reminding us I don’t think I’ve heard more than a quick sentence or two about the whole thing. Refs make bad calls. If you’ve been watching the NFL for the last 5 years you’ve gotten used to it.

  19. themrirrelevant says: Aug 30, 2012 12:25 PM

    They will get the deal done. Everyone knows there cant be an NFL season without Ed Hochuli’s biceps. Its impossible. Literally.

  20. Duckhomie says: Aug 30, 2012 12:29 PM

    Never underestimate the power of the fan…take a look at NASCAR, now repeat that phrase.

  21. 5niner says: Aug 30, 2012 12:29 PM

    @mjkelly77 – I agree. What fan outcry? On this board it’s at best 50/50 caring about replacement refs and not caring. Most of the media however appears to just think it’s a matter of the NFL opening the wallet.

    It not only set a bad precedent but why should the league compensate these guys more when it’s agreed that most of the fans don’t like the bad calls they make. Who gets pay increases for shoddy work (outside of Congress)?

  22. dennisatunity says: Aug 30, 2012 12:29 PM

    Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t it true that in 2011 there was not one blown call the entire season? And every coach accepted every call by every regular ref? In fact, didn’t coaching staffs throughout the league frequently applaud the quality of the effort by the refs? And I still remember all the standing ovations from the fans for the regular refs as they came out. It kinda tugged at the old heart strings.

  23. charlutes says: Aug 30, 2012 12:31 PM

    I don’t think fans care about replacement refs. I don’t.

  24. jbythebay says: Aug 30, 2012 12:31 PM

    but what if a terrible call wind you a game? any complaints then?

  25. jbythebay says: Aug 30, 2012 12:31 PM

    wins

  26. sevenwords says: Aug 30, 2012 12:32 PM

    Not only are the calls by most of these replacement refs horrible, but I haven’t heard anyone mention anything about the possibility of these replacement refs could possibly throw games. They are obviously 2nd tier refs from NCAA Div 2 & 3 schools, maybe some high school? These guys don’t make a lot of money, so who’s to say that they don’t make bad calls on purpose? The integrity of the game is in jeopardy without having competent and well paid officials. NFL and owners need to suck it up and pay the officials.

  27. bengalsfan513 says: Aug 30, 2012 12:45 PM

    if you dont care, then your crazy and ignorant

    Im not mad about the lockout, im mad at who they brought in, aparently if you been a ref in a backyard fight you been contacted by goddell

    they need to take at least 1 minute per penatly to discuss and CONFIRM so the integrity isnt at risk

    O yea defenseless players rule dont count with replacements so i hope you guys like injurys and obvious pass interference

  28. sactogary says: Aug 30, 2012 1:01 PM

    ytownjoe says:Aug 30, 2012 11:52 AM

    The Cleveland Browns open the season against the Philadelphia Eagles and do not have a snowball’s chance in hell of winning the game
    But with inexperienced refs calling the game, maybe, just maybe . . .
    Maybe there’s a chance?
    ——————————————————-
    Is that how you’re betting? I’m taking the Eagles, no matter who the refs are.

  29. onecoolrdrfan says: Aug 30, 2012 1:03 PM

    Cut throat SCABS

  30. thundersnacker says: Aug 30, 2012 1:05 PM

    I wonder how the networks feel about having to keep the cameras on the refs, while they confer on where to spot a ball or even the specifics of the penalty, when the network could go to commercial and make money.
    Take what happened in the second quarter of the Pats/Giants game last night, when it took, seemingly, 6 minutes for the officials to call two penalties on a special teams play and place the ball, calling the incorrect penalties twice, explaining the mistakes to each coach twice, and all the while incapable of explaining anything to the fans.
    Coughlin and Belichick were looking at each other from across the field as if to say “WTF is going on here?”
    These guys definitely hurt the product. I think it’s the networks that could have more power than anyone else.

  31. iced107 says: Aug 30, 2012 1:06 PM

    Some people are holding the replacements to a higher standard that the NFLRA officials. This is laughable.

    ———————————————————–

    Right, because expecting officials to get the calls correct and basic knowledge of the rules is laughable….

    I’ll tell you what’s laughable.. Defending refs who call a touchback when a ball is clearly down at the 5… or letting the clock run out at the end of a half on a defensive penalty..and trust me, the list goes on..

    The rate at which the other stuff happens is what’s ridiculious (non calls, bad calls,etc.) – I never questioned that it happens, just the rate at which it does ( as it has been echo’ed by players, gm’s, coaches,and analysts around the league)…

    but hey, they don’t know what they’re talking about right? Because it’s just “laughable”

  32. babyjesus69 says: Aug 30, 2012 1:10 PM

    We need people like Jim Harbaugh to keep on NOT being quiet about the replacement refs horrible job! Eat that Harbaugh haters!!!

  33. pastabelly says: Aug 30, 2012 1:10 PM

    themrirrelevant says:
    Aug 30, 2012 12:25 PM
    They will get the deal done. Everyone knows there cant be an NFL season without Ed Hochuli’s biceps. Its impossible. Literally.

    ===============================

    Hochuli is a big time litigation partner at an Arizona law firm. He is one official that you know is not in it for the money. Judging by the way he calls games, it’s a pure ego trip for him.

  34. draftazoid says: Aug 30, 2012 1:12 PM

    No one really cares who the Referees are. I would like to see one fan say he is not going to watch his team play in week 1 because of the replacement ref’s.
    It ain’t happening.
    Come back to work you part time employees. I am hoping some of these replacement Ref’s do so well that they get rid of some of the lousy ones from last year.

  35. pastabelly says: Aug 30, 2012 1:13 PM

    The confusion among officials in the Patriots-Giants game last night was almost comical. But with Belichick and Coughlin treating the game as meaningless (which is what makes both of them two of the sharpest coaches in the league), they probably didn’t care and neither should we.

  36. bearsstillsuck says: Aug 30, 2012 1:15 PM

    I’m certainly not complaining.

  37. matt2calvin says: Aug 30, 2012 1:22 PM

    jbythebay says:Aug 30, 2012 12:31 PM

    but what if a terrible call wind you a game? any complaints then?

    NO! None at all. The regular refs cost us games last year – FACT.

    You do realize that for every game the refs cost us, those same refs HELP someone else. Not every call goes against your team, half will be in your favor. The new refs will be as good as the bad old refs.

    The old refs were offered $189,000.00 for working 18 days – and they said “no”. I don’t feel sorry for them at all. They had their chance, now it is time for someone else. This is free market at it’s finest. You don’t want to work for this salary, fine – have a nice day. Next…

  38. vetdana says: Aug 30, 2012 1:31 PM

    hawkster12 says:
    Aug 30, 2012 11:56 AM
    Pay all the money for season tickets, but have no voice. Pay full price for Pre Season tickets, but have no voice. When do fans have a voice in the quality of officiating when they are paying for the game, stadium, etc. What happened to the “fan experience” being so important?

    Fan Experience ?…the fan has one reason only for his existence……to pay.pay,pay ? …Nothing will ever happen on behalf of the fans…unless they close their wallets and stop paying !…and the NFL is betting we will NEVER do this !

  39. snaponrules says: Aug 30, 2012 1:32 PM

    jbythebay says:
    Aug 30, 2012 12:31 PM
    but what if a terrible call wind you a game? any complaints then?

    —————————————————————————————————————–

    I guess we will have to “ax” the team after a call winds them a game. Maybe days wills feels different bouts it den.

  40. 5niner says: Aug 30, 2012 1:34 PM

    Love the comments from folks above who call you crazy and ignorant if you don’t agree with them. It’s almost like they feel the other refs were great. Yes, it’s a bit frustrating that they take longer to confirm calls, but at least they aren’t as arrogant as the normal officials to always think they are correct.

    Mike Pereira actually said most of the calls are subjective and calls will be missed by both sets of refs, that his beef was more on the administration of the game, i.e. marking off the correct # of yards, clock mgmt, ball placement that sort of thing. That I agree with. But all we hear are the talking heads talking the integrity of the game or potentially injuries. Many posters have accurately noted that a penalty would happen post injury so that’s not a valid argument. I’m not sure what this integrity of the game argument is all about cause I’ve seen Tom Brady and other high profile QBs get the benefit of the roughing the passer call and pass interference call that were simply horrible.

  41. capesquad says: Aug 30, 2012 1:39 PM

    I am (yes) flabbergasted that this many fans don’t get how bad these replacement refs will be for the game. Last night the Pats and Giants players were openly LAUGHING at them and the level of cluelessness displayed during the game. Bill B. looked across the field at Tom C. and they shared a look that translated roughly to “Can you believe this?”
    When your teams star goes down because penalties aren’t being called (or seen), or a game goes the wrong way because the speed of the game is WAY too fast for the replacement refs… you’ll be less supportive of ownership not spending what is essentially chicken feed to them. People will wake up next Wednesday when the games count.

  42. eagleswin says: Aug 30, 2012 1:43 PM

    The balanced article which explained the differences between what the refs wanted and what the NFL was offering didn’t last long on the front page.

    Let’s not forget, everyone who is currently whining about the replacement refs, that one of the things the NFL wants to do is to hold the REFS accountable and to be able to the replace them if they perform poorly.

    The refs don’t want that and it’s one of the main reasons they are holding out. They want to be appointed for life without being held to a standard.

    Short term pain for long term gain.

  43. capesquad says: Aug 30, 2012 1:43 PM

    pastabelly says:
    Aug 30, 2012 1:13 PM
    The confusion among officials in the Patriots-Giants game last night was almost comical. But with Belichick and Coughlin treating the game as meaningless (which is what makes both of them two of the sharpest coaches in the league), they probably didn’t care and neither should we.


    I think Coughlin and Belichick cared plenty about the officiating. Belichick is one of the few who has been willing to speak up in support of the professional refs.

    I was on the owner’s side when they locked out the player’s… this time they simply wrong.

  44. txbossman says: Aug 30, 2012 1:49 PM

    Being a fan of a team that’s not the Patriots or Steelers, I can tell you it’s less likely than more likely that the refs lose us game.

  45. giantsfanlewis says: Aug 30, 2012 2:12 PM

    @sevenwords

    The new York giants lost to the packers last season due to bad calls. Bad calls were the only reason the packers scored a single touchdown in the post season as well. The part time refs make horrendous calls all the time.

    To anyone talkig about the replacement refs not knowing the rules, sometimes the part time refs make horrible calls to. Ask lions fans how they feel about the refing against the saints last year. Ask the ravens fans how they felt after the refs gave the pats the game in 07 to help keep the perfect season alive. Ask the Viking fans from 09 who watched the refs help the saints make the superbowl because katrina was all the talking heads talked about all season long.

    The NFL wants these refs to be held accountable for these calls so the part timers can’t ruin the integrity of the game pile they have been doing the last few years. To make it a competition for who gets to keep these part time jobs that pay 5 times the average fans salery for not even half the work.

    The part time refs don’t just want tons of money but the freedom to not have to worry about getting fired for bad calls because they know they make.

    About injury’s, when has a flag been thrown for a helmet to helmet hit the play before it happens? When has a ref stepped in from of a defended who was about to grab a players collar from behind? How good were the refs at stopping rothlesburger from getting punched in the face or suh from stomping on the packers lineman. When have the refs helped mike vick stay healthy for a whole season? Imjurys are gonna happen no matter what refs are working the game.

  46. nflfollower says: Aug 30, 2012 2:24 PM

    That’s because there is no fan outcry. There was plenty of fan outcry last year as I recall, and all we got was mike pereira urinating on our legs and telling us it was raining during every fox broadcast. Trying to convince us what we saw with our own eyes wasn’t the case.

    Fact is, officiating is difficult and they all make mistakes that look blatant on slow motion high def replays. Originals and replacements.

  47. jaketdogg says: Aug 30, 2012 2:26 PM

    As long as regular NFL people are working the replay booth, I cant see how the replacements could be any worse after some experience to get used to the game speed of the NFL. In fact, it could be a breath of fresh air since its impossible to catch everything

  48. Getoffmylawn! says: Aug 30, 2012 2:38 PM

    If I were a player it would bother me to no end that these newbies are calling the game. As a fan I hope this gets resolved quickly and properly. It does bother me that a lot of us fans appear to understand the rules better than those wearing the striped shirts on the field.

  49. edhochulisbiceps says: Aug 30, 2012 2:40 PM

    Some calls go your way, some don’t. Either set of officials are going to wind up screwing somebody.

    Get rid of replay reviews. This game is getting to be almost as slow as baseball with all of the video reviews.

    Get rid of all the turnover rules and use just one: if the ball comes out before the whistle blows, regardless of how it happens, it’s a turnover that is either recovered or lost.

    All of this rules b.s. during games is making me sick. I mean, who the **** wants to hear some ex head of officiating going on and on about interpretations of the rules? Go **** yourself.

  50. clssylssy says: Aug 30, 2012 2:42 PM

    Owners forget that the fans are the ticket buying public who allow them to make the big bucks and enjoy their comfortable and cushy life style. At the prices for tickets, fans should DEMAND quality refereeing and the only thing that will get the message across is if fans stop buying tickets. I have always believed that the referees should be held to the same standard as the players and if they make bad calls that are game changing, should be fined accordingly. With all the money that is riding on football games each week, quality refereeing that is above question should be a priority for the Owners as well as the league. Referees are responsible for what happens on the field and having referees who call plays correctly and honestly would help “clean up” any question of impropriety such as alleged “bounties” “pay for injury” charges.

  51. jbaxt says: Aug 30, 2012 2:45 PM

    I know 16 teams that will hate the officials after week one. For you not clever enough, it’s the 16 teams that lose.

  52. ladolcevitab says: Aug 30, 2012 3:05 PM

    Delaying a resolution only helps the replacement refs, as they will improve with each game they call. with each mistake they make.

    NFLRA loses leverage with every passing gameday.

  53. mavajo says: Aug 30, 2012 3:25 PM

    “mjkelly77 says:

    Terrible calls that cost teams games … I remember when the young and mobile replacement officials cost the Lions a game by ruling that a Calvin Johnson TD was not a catch. How could anyone make such a terrible call?”

    —————-

    And this is what dumb fans don’t get: That was the RIGHT call according to the rulebook.

    Your beef is with the rulebook — the refs don’t write the rulebook. The owners do. The refs merely enforce those rules.

    As dumb as that rule is, the refs applied it correctly. According to the stupid rule written by the owners and their Competition Committee, that was NOT a catch.

    Get your beef straight, knucklehead.

  54. tpa43 says: Aug 30, 2012 3:41 PM

    That may be hard considering owners told league office to issue a gag order so they don’t have to pay refs benefits.

  55. robgilman says: Aug 30, 2012 3:58 PM

    haha, its amusing to see the reactions of fans from other teams so concerned about these new officials. Now you know what it’s been like to be a Raider fan the last 40 years. The Raiders have always known going into every game that the officials are automatically another obstacle to overcome in order to win. You can’t change it, don’t worry about it. As John Madden would say, “just go play like hell on Sunday”

  56. mwindle1973 says: Aug 30, 2012 4:18 PM

    I’ve said this all along. The owners are the only ones who can stop this. They have the league front office in one ear telling them why the lockout has to happen. Perhaps it’s time their coaches, GMs, etc get in the other ear and say “What if you lost a home playoff game because of a mistake by one of these replacements?” That would cost money too. But other than that how can they convince an owner to break with the league. But that’s what’ll take. It’ll take about 6-10 owners who jump ship internally and start calling for an end behind closed doors. They are the only ones who can control what the NFL front office is doing. Mainly because they pay them. So they must’ve had most of owners in support of this lockout to begin with.

    With that said I think what fans can do is complain to their team. Especially if you are a season ticket holder. As a matter of fact a season ticket holder has a basis to file a lawsuit here. THey have degraded the product that was contracted when bought. If I was a season ticket holder, I would make a daily call to the team and demand a partial discount/refund of some of my money, or an end to the refs lockout. Not that I think this would make much if any difference. Even if 1000 season ticket holders from every team did it. But it is the one realistic way you could make the team deal with your complaints/requests and not just hang up every time you call.

  57. hystoracle says: Aug 30, 2012 4:32 PM

    I’m curious to see how long the NFL will allow the players and coaches to continue to “complain” about the current referees before they start issuing fines. Most leagues frown on coaches and players criticizing the game officials.

  58. lostal21 says: Aug 30, 2012 5:19 PM

    Since Dallas GM is the owner, he won’t be complaining to himself.

    BUT, if the Cowboys lose on Sept 5th because of a blown call, Jerry will fix the problem. He cannot afford another year like the last three – losing too much money!

  59. exibitsman says: Aug 30, 2012 6:41 PM

    I think they are going to work this situation out before week 1.

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