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Seahawks DE Bruce Irvin’s been shut out so far in the preseason

Bruce Irvin, Frank Omiyale AP

The Seahawks appear to have hit a home run in drafting Russell Wilson in the third round of the draft.

Their first-rounder, however, is still standing at the plate with the bat on his shoulder.

Defensive end Bruce Irvin, the 15th overall selection, has yet to record a sack or even a tackle in the preseason, casting doubt on a pick many wondered about in April.

But Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said he sees growth beyond the stat sheet, and isn’t worried.

“He’s grown in big ways here already,” Carroll said, via Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times. “Hopefully we’ll see this week. I won’t be surprised at all if he has some real quality rushes.

“In the game last week, if you go back, he really was close enough to have four sacks in the game.”

Four is a lot different than zero, and he’ll need more than attractive near-misses to dispel the doubts this year. Carroll cited stats coaches kept from practice, saying Irvin was among their top players there.

“Bruce was the most productive guy in practice throughout the camp,” he said. “We keep score of that stuff, and he was the highest-ranked guy in terms of productivity. That’s in sacks and tackles for losses and knocking balls loose and all that stuff.”

It could be that Irvin is simply overwhelmed with information at this point, as many rookies are. It’s obvious he has the physical gifts to pass-rush, and if the Seahawks can narrow his responsibilities this year the way the 49ers did with Aldon Smith (14.0 sacks as a third-down specialist), he has the potential to get on the scoreboard soon.

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35 Responses to “Seahawks DE Bruce Irvin’s been shut out so far in the preseason”
  1. darquarious says: Aug 30, 2012 9:56 AM

    Packer fan here, but I love Bruce Irvin and it was a great pick for the SeaChickens.

    They had to reach up and grab him earlier than most of y’all projected.

    He’ll blossom and within 3 years, be a sack machine in the Von Miller Clay Matthews mold.

  2. scoobaj says: Aug 30, 2012 9:59 AM

    it’s about disruption and pressure, sacks don’t always tell the story, any D lineman will tell you that, but it’s nice to have some to keep people off your back

  3. The Prophet says: Aug 30, 2012 10:09 AM

    This shouldn’t be a surprise, Irvin was a total reach in the 1st round. Just being drafted in the first round doesn’t transform you into a 1st round talent.

  4. pftbillsfan says: Aug 30, 2012 10:11 AM

    4 is only different than zero in some situations. If his pressures created turnovers, bad passes, etc its valuable still. Stats are so overblown because of fantasy sports

  5. jbl429 says: Aug 30, 2012 10:14 AM

    Sounds like Carroll’s making this crap up (no surprise there). If Irvins really were as good as Carroll claims, he probably wouldn’t feel compelled to go out of his way defending him. He’d have said something about just not being concerned about it right now.

  6. open1337 says: Aug 30, 2012 10:17 AM

    Utilized poorly like Curry!

  7. tv426 says: Aug 30, 2012 10:32 AM

    What isn’t said is that Temple isn’t on the schedule this year.

  8. jeffesky says: Aug 30, 2012 10:47 AM

    Being the seahawk geek that i am i watch to much and read to much on this team than my wife would like(even though we have season tickets) bruce hasnt found a technique yet that he likes so he has been doing a lot of bull rush ( not his strength) he is a very determined kid and he has shown flashes but its going to be a tough first year. they will have to sceam for him. i see 7 sacks this year but do think he will get better and become desruptive. At home these fans are a force which realy does help guys get off the ball. to early to give up on the guy.

  9. kleppnasty says: Aug 30, 2012 10:51 AM

    It’s too early to know how well this player will be, but I don’t understand what “darquarious” is trying to say.

    He says he’ll blossom in 3 years, like Clay Matthews (who was great in his second year and took a step back in his 3rd) and Von Miller (who isn’t a sack machine and has only played one year).

    Couldn’t you say he’ll (Irvin) shock everyone this year like Aldon Smith, or say he’ll be great in a few years like Tamba Hali?

  10. ninerdynasty says: Aug 30, 2012 10:52 AM

    I remember when Manny Lawson came into the league… he was always close to getting 15 sacks per season.. but only ended up with 2 .. that 1-2 secs late do make a difference.. great rushers get there in time.. not just a lil late.

  11. stealthhawk says: Aug 30, 2012 10:59 AM

    You ALREADY posted an article about this yesterday and now you try to stir it up again for the sake of more traffic and to say you put out “original” content? I don’t know how you guys get paid sometimes, really.

    He’s a rookie and has played in a whopping three pre-season NFL games. Give him some damn time clowns.

    -A Seahawks fan.

  12. davidjcu says: Aug 30, 2012 11:16 AM

    It works out, Bruce Irvin is playing like a 3rd round pick and Russell Wilson is playing like a 1st round franchise QB. Too bad they couldn’t swap paychecks.

  13. blackfootkiller says: Aug 30, 2012 11:17 AM

    Wow! I had to go and check the calender…I thought while I was reading this tale implying that rookie DE Bruce Irvin might be a bust, that surely I had slept through the entire NFL season…
    Turns out it’s still preseason, and this is nothing but conjecture.

  14. theandy59 says: Aug 30, 2012 11:21 AM

    Why does Carroll feel compelled to even address these questions? He’d be much better served to simply say that Irvin’s a rookie, he’s done some good things, needs to work on a bunch of other things, and we think he’s gonna be a good player. All this other crap makes him sound like an amateur.

  15. mikeinsanfran says: Aug 30, 2012 11:26 AM

    When the 49ers drafted Aldon Smith beat reporter extraordinaire Matt Maiocco did a study of all good NFL pass rushers and he found one thing in common: If they are good, they are good RIGHT AWAY. 98% of good NFL Pass Rushers come out of the gates and take the league by storm as rookies. All the greats today (Mathews, Von Miller, Aldon Smith, Orakapo, Ware, Suggs, Barwin, Hali etc.) had double digit sack numbers as rookies. What does it mean? If Irvin has it we will find out quickly.

  16. radrntn says: Aug 30, 2012 11:49 AM

    the draft is a crap shoot…plain and simple…..with new rookie cap it allow teams to take greater risks without financial harm….time will tell if he was worth it, but I am sure seahawks knew it would take some time to develop this kid.

  17. joetoronto says: Aug 30, 2012 11:51 AM

    The guy hasn’t even made a tackle, a friggin TACKLE, and slippery Pete is going on and on about the guy.

    SMH.

  18. citynative says: Aug 30, 2012 11:51 AM

    Here are some random thoughts. First of all, to a recent poster, hate to say it, but Seahawks articles arent meant for traffic. They are some of the least commented on and read. Is Russell Wilson a possible home run w/o playing a game yet? Is Irvin a possible bust w/o playing a game yet?

  19. Nevis says: Aug 30, 2012 11:54 AM

    He was supposed to be Carroll’s answer to Aldon Smith. So far, not even close.

  20. kylexitron says: Aug 30, 2012 11:54 AM

    It’s worth noting that as a huge football nerd and hawks’ fan I’ve watched every snap of the pre-season so far and from what I understand of how Irvin will be used during the regular season isn’t really being reflected in how he’s being used in the pre-season. So far it seems he’s on the field just to be on the field without being expected to do the things he’ll be expected to do on the field come games that count.

    Keep in mind a big knock to irvin is that he’s a one-trick pony – he rushes the passer.

    Carroll and Shnieder had no problem spending a 1st on a guy with basically one mission. And it’s not really a mission you’re going to be sending a guy on in the pre-season if you already feel like he’s got that part of his game covered.

  21. Nevis says: Aug 30, 2012 11:55 AM

    blackfootkiller says:
    Aug 30, 2012 11:17 AM
    Wow! I had to go and check the calender…I thought while I was reading this tale implying that rookie DE Bruce Irvin might be a bust, that surely I had slept through the entire NFL season…
    Turns out it’s still preseason, and this is nothing but conjecture.
    ———————–

    That’s what the Seahawks hope too. But the knock on this kid from the getgo is that he is a one-trick pony and was drafted way too high.

    Time will tell.

  22. thelastpieceofcheese says: Aug 30, 2012 12:03 PM

    Pete Carroll is the worst talent evaluator in the NFL. He first overpays for Flynn, who is not even starting, and his first draft pick is a bust!

    No wonder the Seattle Seahawks have become the NFL’s funny farm!

  23. sonoco says: Aug 30, 2012 12:05 PM

    It may mean nothing, but even as a rookie Aldon Smith had 3.5 sacks last pre-season.

  24. lonespeed says: Aug 30, 2012 12:28 PM

    Robert Griffen III hasn’t completed a pass over 20-yards yet. I’d say that is a lot worse.

  25. sfm073 says: Aug 30, 2012 12:41 PM

    Jason Pierre-Paul was considered a reach and how did that turn out? Please let the guy get through his first preseason before we start calling him a bust.

  26. thejuddstir says: Aug 30, 2012 12:50 PM

    “In the game last week, if you go back, he really was close enough to have four sacks in the game.”
    —————————————————–
    I wonder how many defenseive lineman and coaches have uttered this totally asinine remark. Petey’s comments are getting better than Rexy Ryans for absurdity. Last year it was “the vikings have been jerking TJoke around and they don’t know how to use him”.

  27. trollhammer20 says: Aug 30, 2012 12:56 PM

    citynative says:
    Aug 30, 2012 11:51 AM
    Here are some random thoughts. First of all, to a recent poster, hate to say it, but Seahawks articles arent meant for traffic. They are some of the least commented on and read.
    _____________________________

    So, I look over at the list of most-commented articles, and what is #1? “Seahawks name Russell Wilson their starting quarterback”.

    What’s #8? “Report: T.O. is a complainer, has uphill battle to make the Seahawks”

    So, yeah, only two of the top ten stories involving Seattle, one of 32 teams in the league.

    Do people even bother to check facts before posting anymore?

  28. slugbaitspace says: Aug 30, 2012 12:59 PM

    What I think I saw during the first three games is that opposing teams seem to have game-planned for Irvin. He’s explosive off the line, and yet at least one (if not two) guys were already in a decent position and stance to block him, and the QB never seemed to roll to Irvin’s side when the pocket started collapsing. They obviously studied his tapes.

    And it always seemed like Irvin wasn’t getting much help, either. Whomever was charged with stopping him never seemed to need to watch out for anybody else, and just concentrate on staying in Irvin’s path to the QB.

    Coaches seldom show their cards concerning specific schemes during preseason games. The games are primarily to get feet wet, ready for full-speed games that count, and evaluate players who may or may not make the final 53.

    So I have a feeling the defensive schemes we’ve seen so far are just the plain vanilla X-does-this while O-does-that plays, and the real schemes won’t be put into play until Week 1.

    In other words, let’s wait and see.

  29. snoqualmieterry says: Aug 30, 2012 1:02 PM

    The guy that said Petes first draft choice was a bust? Plunge wasn’t a bust.

  30. listenupcupcake says: Aug 30, 2012 1:26 PM

    BIrv = Mamula west.

  31. jsonpinto says: Aug 30, 2012 3:08 PM

    So much for being the “next Von Miller”

  32. socalseahawker says: Aug 30, 2012 3:40 PM

    scoobaj said it exactly right. One of the Hawks major goals this offseason was to improve the pass rush. That doesn’t necessarly mean more sacks. They want the QB to get rattled, make bad decisions, throw the ball quicker than he wants to. With improved pressure, this means Seattle’s All Pro secondary just got better which translates to better field position, more turnovers and less time on the field.

  33. cthunder67 says: Aug 30, 2012 3:50 PM

    Pete Carroll is the worst talent evaluator in the NFL. He first overpays for Flynn, who is not even starting, and his first draft pick is a bust!

    No wonder the Seattle Seahawks have become the NFL’s funny farm!
    ……………………………………………………………………………….
    Ok normally I don’t respond but this time I have to. As a die hard Seahawks fan I personally can’t stand Carroll. But the guy knows what the hell he is doing. So you say he is the worst talent evaluator in the NFL?

    If so, how do you explain picks like E. Thomas, K. Chancellor, Browner, Sherman, Moffitt (who was having a good rookie season until his injury. Or Carpenter who was just coming into his own before going now. Wait there’s more, how about Doug Baldwin, a guy no one gave a chance. Yet he put up impressive rookie numbers with 788 yards and 4 TDs. And this is with TJ as his QB.

    Lastly, on Flynn, 1) They didn’t overpay Flynn 2) No one and I mean no one expected Wilson to come in and beat out 2 Veteran QB’s.

  34. citynative says: Aug 30, 2012 4:08 PM

    @trollhammer20

    One Seattle story being in the top 10 most commented one time equals a fact? You are the 13th largest media market in the country, and several teams in smaller media markets have larger fan bases than yours. Seattle fans by their own admission say they are geographically isolated and never get covered. This is no rip, just stating as you say, the facts. PFT is not going to post this story about a Seattle 1st round pick to drum up traffic to their website. The reason why the T.O. story is in the top 10 most commented on is because it is T.O., not because of Seattle.

    Do me a favor, check the amount of consistent comments on articles about national fan bases or teams that have won in the past/present and then compare them to articles about Arizona, Seattle, Jacksonville, etc. See then who is stating the facts.

  35. exibitsman says: Aug 30, 2012 4:54 PM

    Q COPLES of the “NY JETS ” has 4 sacks
    and 8 QB PRESSURES.

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