“Caught red handed? Are you really that slow? the only reason this is in in court is because the players feel RG ig going around saying he “caught them red handed” with absolutely NO proof he did so !!!”

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Wow…there are still Saints fans saying this?

They were told once to quit doing it, or pay the consequences…then continued to do it, and got caught again.

Have you heard Gregg Williams pre-game speach? “I’ll get the 1st one!” $$$$

The only reason this is still in court is because everyone involved knows Goodell case is air-tight, and the Saints fan turned Judge is just praying to find a crack somewhere….even if she does, the appeals court will overrule it…

Because NFLPA gave Goodell every right he is wielding….they signed the CBA.

I’d worry more about RGIII and less about the cheaters that won’t be in attendance due to their suspensions.

Judge Berrigan seems bound and determined to reach a settlement which I applaud. She knows the only way the players can have their suspensions reduced is if Goodell agrees to do so. The conflict issue would seem to be a sign that Goodell is willing to talk settlement but the NFLPA is balking because it won’t agree with Goodell on anything. Judge Berrigan wants the NFLPA lawyers off the case because they are not acting in the best interests of their clients. That’s the conflict.

If the players were entitled to relief Judge Berrigan would have granted it by now. The league and Goodell hold all the cards.

BTW – don’t you think the Commish has some top lawyers advising him as to the proof of “guilt” of the players. These guys were caught red handed – even though it has gone on in some other locker red handedrooms as well.

Caught red handed? Are you really that slow? the only reason this is in in court is because the players feel RG ig going around saying he “caught them red handed” with absolutely NO proof he did so !!!

While the NFLPA and players interests almost always are going to intersect – it is not universal. In these types of issues as management side in labor I’d expect to see three parties and if not I’d push the issue. Just one more hurdle to have the other side jump through.

Is she trying to make a name for herself or something?

Whereas it may be in one of players best interest to cut a deal get the penalty reduced and move on.

That is where is I see conflict.

The phrase is attributed to a character whose purpose was to sow treachery and anarchy among the people. He knew that the only ones who stood between him and his ill purposes, the only ones who stood up for the people, were the lawyers. So he needed them dead in order to carry out his evil purposes.

The phrase is not an insult to lawyers, but a compliment. That you didn’t know it likely means that the legal profession is uplifted by your absence.

Guy gets busted for steroids which helped him take jobs away from clean players? Union fights to keep him from being suspended. Bounties that were designed to hurt clean players? Same thing, the union goes to bat for the rule breakers. Now, the union’s lawyers do double duty defending the accused players outright. I honestly don’t know what an honest player gets out of the union.

Godell has has ALL ALONG, had the players cooperated with the investigation from the beginning the chances are the punishments may have been reduced.
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Here is a quote form the first hearing transcript. It’s Vilma speaking under oath:

Well, if I can backtrack a little bit, when my coaches
went up to speak with Goodell and security, they said that they
were blindsided, that they didn’t know what they were really
stepping into the meeting for. So they didn’t know what the
meeting was about when they went up there and they spoke. They
said they basically got bombarded with a bunch of questions
about this bounty stuff, and they were so taken aback that they
first were confused, what’s going on.
Then when they tried to start defending themselves
and saying that’s not true, that’s not true, or this is false,
they were accused of lying. Basically, the meeting got ugly,
from what the coaches told me, and it ended — it didn’t end
well. I’m not going to say how it ended as far as the
language.
From hearing that from when the coaches told me that,
I just wanted a basic sense of what I was going up there for
and what they were going to ask me, the questions or anything
like that, so I didn’t get blindsided myself and then when I
try to defend myself, be accused of lying.

In my opinion, the smart play for Judge Berrigan here is to simply wait for the Appeals Panel to issue its ruling, which, as I understand, is expected this week. If two of its three members overrule System Arbitrator Burbank and conclude that Burbank—and not Goodell—has jurisdiction over the players in this matter, then that could simplify matters considerably for Judge Berrigan and the players. While I would be surprised if the Appeals Panel overturns Professor Burbank’s ruling given the deferential standard of review set out under CBA Article 15, Section 2(b), anything can happen.

You’re confusing that with recent rumours regarding Vilma’s defamation case, and the unfounded rumours that the league would half his suspension if he dropped it. They’re two different things.

On topic though I’ve said it since day one that the NFLPA had a conflict of interest with this case. They’ve been that busy trying to find loop holes and ways to stall suspensions until the accused retire, that they’ve lost sight of the fact it’s ALSO their job to PROTECT THE MAJORITY from coaches and players who are involved in Bounty programs.

The union should be very careful here because if the players are found guilty and the punishments upheld they could find themselves cited by the victims/targets of the Bounty scandal (Farve, Crabtree etc) for failing to do enough to protect them!

The hunters (NFLPA) could very quickly become the hunted if this goes the way I think it will, which is that the punishments will be upheld. DeMaurice Smith is by far the worst thing to have happened to Football in recent years! This whole mess is his making and the conveluted process we’re seeing play out now is his way of trying to hide the fact he gave the league FAR TOO MUCH control in exchange for a few more cents in the dollar!

It still looks like she’s trying to find a way out for the players but hasn’t been able to do so.

This sounds bad for the players. They may be sorry that they didn’t speak with the Commissioner, admit their wrongdoing and accept whatever penalty, adjusted or not, at which he would have arrived.
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Why are YOU so sure they are guilty? I’m not sure either way. The NFL has mucked this whole case up with so many lies and out-of-context truths that no one has a clue anymore. If Goodell had waited to crucify the Saints on national television until he had some concrete evidence, none of this would have EVER happened. If the players are guilty of trying to end other player’s careers for money, they should be in trouble. If Goodell is guilty of framing them with shoddy circumstantial evidence and ending their careers, he should be fired by the league and owe on defamation lawsuits. But don’t be so sure YOU know the truth. None of us do, primarily because the league has lied so much none of us know which of their evidence is truth and how much is fabricated to help railroad their case. IF these players just happen to be innocent, there is nothing to admit and the misjustice the NFL is doing them is HUGE.

And this is from one who practiced for a number of years before seeing the light and “recovering” to the human race. Double

This sounds bad for the players. They may be sorry that they didn’t speak with the Commissioner, admit their wrongdoing and accept whatever penalty, adjusted or not, at which he would have arrived.

Im guessing prosecuting criminals can wait until 3 people find out if they are able to play football.

I can buy that.