Comments on: Today’s ruling means nothing to Payton, Vitt, Loomis, Williams

By: f4phantom9277

f4phantom9277 — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 02:00:31 +0000

I didn’t make my statement very clear……the so called “admission of guilt” by Sean and Mickey is in my opinion nothing more than a statement written by Goodell and shoved down their throats.

By: kaferwerks

kaferwerks — Sat, 08 Sep 2012 00:06:51 +0000

F4phantom2977 – that proves nothing, in fact it hurts your argument to a degree. It’s more of a statement of “we should have been paying more attention”

You may want to read Sean paytons interview with mike Triplett, especially the part where SP mentions that it’s upsetting to hear things being said about the team that aren’t true…

By: mjkelly77

mjkelly77 — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 23:54:18 +0000

daveman8403 says:Sep 7, 2012 5:24 PM

randygnyc says:
Sep 7, 2012 5:15 PM
My understanding is that the decision to lift the suspensions was based solely on Goodell not having the authority. In other words, the decision didn’t find the players not guilty, but rather Goodell didn’t have the right to suspend them.

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Exactly, Goodell did not have the right to suspend them. This is a salary cap violation, nothing more.

In other words, there is NO on field evidence.
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Guess again. This was a procedural ruling. It went back to Goodell for clarification. Did the suspension by Goodell infringe on the Salary Cap Arbitrator’s exclusive rights because of pay-for-performance implications? If so, then he should not have suspended the players.

So the Commissioner answers no, the miscreants sullied the good name of the NFL and that’s why they were suspended He then re-suspends them as is his right. Case closed and the ignorant who are trumpeting victory will ask “What happened?”

By: touchdownroddywhite

touchdownroddywhite — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 23:47:55 +0000

As much as I hate the Saints, I’ll admit that my suspicion is Payton and Williams being told, “Admit that what we said happened happened, or else.”

By: mjkelly77

mjkelly77 — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 23:45:52 +0000

This was a procedural ruling. Did the suspension by Goodell infringe on the Salary Cap Arbitrator’s exclusive rights because of pay-for-performnace implications?

The Commissioner answers no, the miscreants sullied the good name of the NFL and again suspends them. Case closed and the ignorant who are trumpeting victory will ask “What happened?”

By: justintuckrule

justintuckrule — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 22:16:53 +0000

Exhibit A why labor unions are still needed in this world. It’s the only reasonable measure to protect powerless employees from being run roughshod over by power hungry corporations.

By: f4phantom9277

f4phantom9277 — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 22:01:10 +0000

We acknowledge that the violations disclosed by the NFL during their investigation of our club happened under our watch. We take full responsibility.

This has brought undue hardship on Mr. Benson, who had nothing to do with this activity. He has been nothing but supportive and for that we both apologize to him.

These are serious violations and we understand the negative impact it has had on our game. Both of us have made it clear within our organization that this will never happen again, and make that same promise to the NFL and most importantly to all of our fans.

Mickey Loomis & Sean Payton

If the NFL and Goodell said they committed murder, this is the admission of it by Loomis and Payton……………..

By: zonedogz

zonedogz — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:58:26 +0000

What’s wrong with this whole Saints Bountygate story is that it has been totally lawyered up now. And just as we found out in other lawyered up stories ie-O.J., et.al., the truth and justice end up on the losing end.

By: bradwins

bradwins — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:53:40 +0000

I think you mean it means nothing for Payton, Vitt, et al. It very well mean something to them.

By: ambitoos

ambitoos — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:44:15 +0000

Something needs to be done about Roger Goodell. He thinks he’s another Fidel Castro.

By: silentcount

silentcount — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:40:34 +0000

Eventually, this will most certainly question the fairness of the coaches being suspended (except Williams). If there’s no valid evidence that the players did what Goodell publicly accused them of, then what are the coaches guilty of? Is it possible that some other source could file a restraining order on their behalf? Mike, what are the possibilities?

By: mikebrownfaux

mikebrownfaux — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:30:25 +0000

Sure wish Goodell would stick to the ground his decisions!

By: rmdz7

rmdz7 — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:27:11 +0000

Just to clarify, Sean Payton didn’t admit to anything, nor issue any sort of “apology”. His statement was more of “if it happened under my watch, I gess it is my responsibility”

Anyone who follows the Saints know that Sean Payton can’t even spell defense. He’s never been involved in anything defense. His only sin was to be the HC of the team the commissioner decided to use as scapegoat to show his alleged care for player safety.

By: daveman8403

daveman8403 — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:24:23 +0000

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Exactly, Goodell did not have the right to suspend them. This is a salary cap violation, nothing more.

In other words, there is NO on field evidence.

By: canjura

canjura — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:20:09 +0000

There is a difference between a bounty program and an incentives program. I believe the Saints did an incentives program, yes. a bounty program for trying to hurt someone? absolutely not. These are practices that go all the way down to pee wee football. You get a nice run, you get a snack, etc. Except these are grown men choosing to put their own money into the pot, rather than getting treats. As to people say that Williams and Payton “apologized” for their roles, you’re telling me you’ve never apologized for something even though you don’t think you were wrong for the better outcome in the long run?

By: goldrush36

goldrush36 — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:18:38 +0000

Yeah I would admit to doing it and lose $7.5 million in salary if I were innocent too. I mean c’mon what’s 7.5 mil these days… chump change right fellas?

By: meswant

meswant — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:17:36 +0000

the taints will continue to taint the NFL with their bounty system

By: randygnyc

randygnyc — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:15:05 +0000

My understanding is that the decision to lift the suspensions was based solely on Goodell not having the authority. In other words, the decision didn’t find the players not guilty, but rather Goodell didn’t have the right to suspend them.

By: crawfish2011

crawfish2011 — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:10:55 +0000

Just because Goodell says the Saints ran a bounty program doesn’t mean the Saints ran a bounty program. Don’t believe everything you see on ESPN on read on the internet.

By: geauxjay

geauxjay — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:09:37 +0000

The coaches confessed.

And we found WMDs in Iraq too.

Any other lies you would like to spread?

By: geauxjay

geauxjay — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:08:34 +0000

Roger Goodell needs an explanation

By: effosugoblue

effosugoblue — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:07:36 +0000

Every player on every team did this. The coaches should be reinstated too.

By: miles58a

miles58a — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:06:41 +0000

turfdaddy says:
Sep 7, 2012 4:41 PM
Did the players/coaches participate? It’s a yes or no question. If they did, they deserve to be punished. If they didn’t, they deserve to play/coach.

It really is that simple

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I agree

By: weswelkerspornstash

weswelkerspornstash — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:06:25 +0000

I think he should let the coaches coach. If they would appeal to him, so that he can save face then reduce the suspensions and say that the Saints losing their second round pick was discipline enough.(consistent with how he handled the Pats)

By: thetokyosandblaster

thetokyosandblaster — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:05:47 +0000

Goodell can be wrong, but he wasn’t with any of the filthy, cheating Saints.

By: realitypolice

realitypolice — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:01:03 +0000

A little clarification is in order here.

Payton has hardly appeared contrite or owned up to anything. He may have initially issued an apology, but many many times since then he has asserted that no pay-for-injury scheme existed.

He took his punishment because his contract offered him no option.

By: saintsfan1111

saintsfan1111 — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:00:13 +0000

They should sue…they should have sued long ago. Roger Goodell has egg all over this face.

By: goodellgate

goodellgate — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:58:36 +0000

Roger Goodell*

By: steveohho

steveohho — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:53:07 +0000

Payton, Williams and Loomis have to fall on their swords because they don’t want the league to hold their dissent against them. The players have less to lose in fighting the the NFL.

By: geniusfan

geniusfan — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:51:22 +0000

Not sure why people think the coaches shouldn’t be suspended.

Both Payton and Williams owned up to it, unless you think they’d purposely lie in order to get suspended for a year they’re getting what they themselves believe they deserve.