Comments on: Ref’s mistake kept Raiders from running last play vs. Chargers

By: bmadccp

bmadccp — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 16:59:16 +0000

The issue with the bad call/s by the refs in this game is really a moot point at this juncture. Even with no ref mistakes, the Raiders shot themselves in the foot… AGAIN. Running one last play would not have made a difference in the outcome of the game.

It’s not the refs fault that our corners got burned play after play. It’s not the ref’s fault that Carson was playing scared and couldn’t connect on anything past 10 yards. It’s not the refs fault that another Raider player kneed Condo in the head thus bringing in the backup. Missed tackles? Not the Ref’s fault. Open Raiders recievers missed because Carson was scrambling for his life (and couldn’t connect anyway)? Not the ref’s fault. A professional player and team leader jumping offsides TWICE in a row? Not on the refs.

This loss is SQUARELY on the shoulders of Reggie McKenzie, Dennis Allen and the 53 man roster. Rewatch the game. Take a look at what was going on on the sidelines even as the 11 players on the field were getting their asses handed to them… smiling, joking around, heads not in the game at all. When you are a professional at your job, you take loss personally. I see NONE of that in this roster or with these coaches.

I’m a disgruntled and disgusted fan after that debacle.

By: radrntn

radrntn — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:54:12 +0000

bottom line , with 5 minutes to go , it was a two score game for the raiders , and they were doing 1 yard, and 5 yard passes, chewing up over 4 minutes of clock…there was no true urgency, no deep passes…etc….I am not sure they even had a clue it was a two score game.

No problem with the replacements refs….raider had 6 penalties. I can live with that.

By: mystereo

mystereo — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:03:24 +0000

You’ve been Norved. Fire this asshat already!

By: coachglove

coachglove — Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:31:58 +0000

You botch 3 punts and cost yourself roughly 120 yards in net field position (given Lechler’s historic net)…in a game decided by 8 points…I’m sure those punts decided the outcome. The refs were ok. They missed the HC on DMC and it was horrible, but the regular refs miss that stuff regularly as well. Palmer actually had a higher rating than Rivers, but the Raiders got in their own way a couple times on 3rd and short (thanks #93…your head is ON the ball and you’re jumping?) and the funble was a complete killer on that 1st drive. The Raiders were really having their way with the Charger D most of the night, but football is a field position game and when you cough up 120 yards of position, you’re gonna lose more often than not. The fact that it was close speaks to how bad the Chargers are.

The Raider coaches are 100% accountable for not getting the back-up snapper ready as soon as Condo went down. That is a horrible job of attention to detail. The second Condo went down, the back-up should have been doing nothing but practicing snapping. And getting involved in the protection scheme. I credit the Chargers for taking advantage of the new guy by rushing right up the middle. And I fault the Raider coaches for not beefing up protection to cover for a new center. Other than that, the Raider coaches out-coached Norv’s staff.

By: vipod4ever

vipod4ever — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 23:31:12 +0000

I remember a little know rule that was called, The Tuck Rule. Every rule has an impact in the game

By: raiders757

raiders757 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:51:59 +0000

The way I see it, the Bolts played mistake free football, for the most part, and in doing so, won the game.

My Raiders? Not so much.

By: joetoronto

joetoronto — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 22:01:25 +0000

I’m sure when and if the regular officials come back, we’ll have a story about every screwup they commit.

By: justwinbaby29

justwinbaby29 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:54:30 +0000

Tough loss for the raiders-officials were fine. Would have been nice to run the last play- very very very unlikely 1. In a 100,000 but certainly the game was not lost there. Tommy Kelly with two bone headed penalties he won’t be long with Reggie mckenzie in charge. Knapp needs to open the offense more. McFadden can’t do it all.

By: Grinds My Gear

Grinds My Gear — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:33:05 +0000

Even as a Raiders fan, the play most likely wouldn’t have mattered. The most significant play in my opinion was the no call on the horse collar tackle on McFadden right in front of the ref. That would have put the Raiders into FG territory (for Janikowski anyways). Instead it lead to a punt. That play definitely killed some momentum and would’ve kept the game a lot closer at that point.

By: fanz928

fanz928 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 21:12:28 +0000

Now the so called experts are picking up every mistake the refs make. Backoff the refs they are doing a better job than expected

By: chargerz4life

chargerz4life — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:35:32 +0000

Hey villa41 I agree our offense wasn’t stellar in the Redzone but we drove down the field to get there. And as far as our defense holding you guys to 2 field goals and 1 TD because of a bad PI call on Jammer was pretty good not too mention 5 sacks! But all around a badly officiated game on both sides.

By: wellahlookyhere

wellahlookyhere — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:32:23 +0000

The clock was slow to start when the Chargers had the ball after the onside kick. The rep. refs. are missing a lot of little things especially where they mark the ball after plays.

By: fb29

fb29 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:11:52 +0000

Rivers clearly knew the rule. He put his helmet back on and was running around trying to get the team together. Maybe he was planning to play linebacker.

By: dkhhuey

dkhhuey — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:05:57 +0000

If I were a Raiders fan, I’d be pissed at the replacement long snapper scraggly beard dude! After the first 12 bounce snap to the punter – he should have trotted off the field, picked up a ball, and practiced a bunch of them! Nope, just stood there with a completely clueless look on his chevy chase and led to yet another hop skip and a jump shot back to the punter a bit later.

As a Charger fan, I’m pissed off at the Raiders because I hate Norv and want him fired!

By: war27

war27 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 20:02:14 +0000

The refs somehow missed a hc tackle right in front of them on McFadden.

The 15 yards for the penalty would have got the Raiders in FG range and instead they punted.

Let’s not say the mistakes don’t change games. They change everything.

Someone in Vegas will push the NFL to make this right with the officials soon, before it costs them million of dollars.

By: louisvillepride

louisvillepride — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:59:23 +0000

This is my observation: At the end of the day the Dolts won. At the same time, they didn’t impress me neither! Phillip Rivers had a couple of completions but he didn’t do anything out of the ordinary to put them over the top. Their running game is below average & Rivers is going to have to throw for 300 yards a game for them to win, if he can get it to someone that’s not named “Gates”. Ronnie Brown, LeRon McClain, & that other back got crushed by our front seven. Their defense is in the upper middle tier. For all the hype they (the San Diego media) had on Melvin Ingram, he was a non-factor (other than the roughing the passer penalty) The sacks on Palmer came after we were down & could no longer run (like we could in the first place). Before that, Palmer had the ball out before any Dolt could get remotely close to him. The Donkeys through week 1 is the class of the division w/ the other three teams neck & neck because all have injuries in key areas.

By: sullijo1

sullijo1 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:32:00 +0000

That game was embarrassing for the Raiders – it was difficult to watch.

By: jjackwagon

jjackwagon — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:15:00 +0000

The Media keeps wanting us to believe that these refs are worse than the others but so far they’ve about the same number of bad calls. SO if they are doing the same job for less money, why would the NFL want the “professionals” back?
The Raiders lost because they are the best at inventing new ways to lose.

By: robgilman

robgilman — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:14:06 +0000

When you commit multiple dumb penalties that extend the opposing teams drives and kill your own drives. When you make dumb mistakes like fumbling and losing 25 yards, and turning the ball over. When you cant even get a punt off, 3 times. Yet your defense still had you in the game at the end and statistically beat the opposing team on offense? Yes, you beat yourself.

Someone above said this should have been a blow out by the Chargers, you’re right. Goes to show what that says about how San Diego will be this year. Time to start printing the Fire Norv shirts now.

By: mwindle1973

mwindle1973 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:54:18 +0000

I only watched 2 games, the Browns-Eagles, and the Bengals-Ravens. I thought they were OK in the Browns game. IN the Bengals game the were OK, but they made some really bad calls early that effected the game. I expected to see it in print today that the Ravens 2nd TD, a long pass to Boldin, was an incomplete pass. He was in the act of catching the ball when he crossed the plane of the end zone. When he went to the ground the ball moved. I’m not going to pretend that it would’ve changed the outcome of a 44-13 game. But lets keep in mind it was a 10-3 game at that point. That made it 17-3 and half ended at 17-10. But not before the refs tried to cheat the Bengals again. This time a no call on an obvious defensive holding which would’ve moved it from 3rd & 1 on the 6 yd line to 1st and goal on the 3 yd line. Instead we were at 4 & 1 on the 6, Lewis decided to go for it, and BGJE punched in for a TD from 6 yards out. Negating the bad reffing. With about 10 minutes left in the 3rd qtr the score was 17-13. There were also at least 1, and another possible phantom pass interference call early in the game. Now the Bengals imploded and the Ravens exploded from that point, and I paid no attention to what the refs did from that point because the game was out of reach. So am I blaming the loss on the refs? Absolutely not! I blame the Bengals not executing on D and Ravens explosiveness on O. I’m I saying that they effected momentum with 5-6 bad calls/no calls early in the game? Yes I am. The refs effected the game early. One could reasonably say that this would’ve been a 10-10 or 13-10 game at halftime. And they would’ve made it a Bengals lead of 17-10 or 17-13 at that 10 min point of the 3rd qtr. The score dictates what an OC/DC can call. Had this remained a tight game early and the refs had not tipped 4-7 points to the Ravens in the first 20-25 minutes they might have not been quite as aggressive with the play calls. And the Bengals D might have been called much differently too. But in the end the Ravens played great, and the entire 11 man Bengals D decided to bite every time a play action fake to Ray Rice was on. I mean it was ridiculous. They rushed Rice 10 times (2 were draws). THe faked the handoff to him probably more than 10 times. Yet we just kept jumping the run everytime, every player. Naked bootlegs were similar. You know where the whole offense moves left/right and the QB and one receiver will roll out the other direction. What bothered me most, is the backside contain player was never in place. His job is to stay put on plays like that. Didn’t happen. Theirs flowing to the ball, then their is flowing ahead of the ball, and that is always going to get you in trouble. I wouldn’t want to be Zimmer’s players this week. He spoke up for them, defended them, then they came out and laid the golden egg of how to fundamentally not play D. He yells when he’s happy.

By: PFTiswhatitis

PFTiswhatitis — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:47:08 +0000

The NFL has overseers at every game that are supposed to let the replacement refs know if they make a mistake. The NFL missed it too? C’mon stop blaming the replacment refs for everything. They are no worse than the regular refs that want millions in pensions $. NO FREE LUNCH.

By: edrouse

edrouse — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:43:19 +0000

why not with 5 seconds to go just leave Rivers in in punt formation and let him throw it as high and as far as he can ,,time would run out and that would be it …

By: mjkelly77

mjkelly77 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:30:14 +0000

Gee, the new referees were merely looking out for the safety of the players. Such a deperate last second play could have hurt the quarterback and any number of other key players.

Do you mean the greedy part-timers would have allowed the play to be run, endangering all the personnel on the field? It’s a good thing they’re all sitting at home because the new refs are all for player safety first.

By: daysend564

daysend564 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:16:42 +0000

So if nobody touched the ball on either team, they could still be standing there?

By: nightreaver111

nightreaver111 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:08:58 +0000

Yeah, those three botched punts because the long snapper got injured had absolutely no effect on the game. Of course the Raiders beat themselves. Anyone who doesn’t understand that starting every drive of the second half deep in opposing territory is a huge advantage, and not being able to effectively punt is a huge disadvantage, doesn’t understand the game of football.

By: maximus929

maximus929 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:07:53 +0000

Another brilliant analysis as always…

If the Raiders, Chargers, announcers and the whole football fan world didn’t know the rule, hard to hold the replacement refs that accountable.

By: nmrdr795

nmrdr795 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:52:30 +0000

Im was born a raider but this crap is old. “New era of excellence.” They came out looking good and then turnovers and fumbles come back and Dennis Allen looks like a zombie there to enjoy the game no emotion. They started off going vertical and where killing sd d. Then Greg Knapp decideds lets go sideway and run run pass. I thought we were back to art shell days. Turning injury prone Mcfadden into a work horse. GREAT IDEAD Knapp. We cant even get a punt off. Thats yafl stuff. Four times and were losing. Start going for it on fourth. Then they show the sidelines and theres guys b.s.ing laughing just sitting there all bored. Oh but the new greta one Dnnis Allen is still there just enjoying the game well Knapp is still calling checkdowns to Mcfadden on 3rd and 47. I feel bad for Seymour Mcfadden and Palmer good football players stuck in bad spots. Palmer could work more on slowing things audibles and calling blitzes but other than that i think hes a great quaterback. Right now im missing hue and Al Saunders. All wee needed was a d. Coordinator but now thats the worst i have ever seen the raiders play. Good job big reg. Branch was getting lit up Mclain is still lost out there. It was all ugly. Only bright spot i saw was the rookies going all out streater and the linebacker from sd state. Forgot his name. They looked good. Other than that i have prepared for a longggg seassoon. Oh yea this article. It wouldnt have mattered if we got one more play Knapp would have called a run to Mcfadden.

By: grudenlikesme

grudenlikesme — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:46:01 +0000

The 2 calls in this game, that happened to be big plays were the punt return by the Chargers in second quarter that got called back for a block in the back. The kid barely touched the defender and the ball went from midfield to the 5. Right after the play they cut to commercial and no replay was shown or commentary regarding the play. And the third quarter Quentin Jammer pass interference call on third and long. I know the guy has a history w that call but that was clean defense and the home team got away twice.

By: zidanevalor

zidanevalor — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:44:49 +0000

This isn’t nearly as bad as the Saints-Lions playoff game last year when the Saints knelt on 4th down with 30 seconds left and the clock ran out.

By: randolph32

randolph32 — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:41:02 +0000

Curious, doesn’t the NFL have people at the games that the Replacements can consult with? This would seem to be a pretty simple function, but are they too dumb to do it?