Comments on: Rutgers twice forced victory formation fumbles under Schiano

By: Thomas92

Thomas92 — Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:45:55 +0000

Incredible!

By: goodelectricadjustablebed

goodelectricadjustablebed — Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:42:16 +0000

Yea, don’t let Andre Brown just get away!

By: richrudelspeaks

richrudelspeaks — Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:16:23 +0000

If you play for 60 minutes why not hit Andre Brown and try to force a fumble instead of letting him walk in untouched ?

By: Organic-boy

Organic-boy — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:26:40 +0000

If Schiano really beleives his comments to play for 60 mins, why didnt he tell his guys to bull rush duriung the kneel down that Eli did before the half?

And why did he twice let Andre Brown in the end zone with 30 seconds left instead of rfighting for a fumble or ball strip?

College mind-set coaching for sure.

By: raycornwall

raycornwall — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:44:10 +0000

If this story is accurate, why does every story from the October 16, 2009 Rutgers/Pitt game ignore any mention of a late game fumble? Can anyone confirm the fumble?

By: eaglesnoles05

eaglesnoles05 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:18:27 +0000

Rodney Harrison’s commentary on this situation sounds like something you’d hear from someone I’d want nowhere near any part of my football team. Can’t believe he thinks that…Rodney Harrison says “give up” Don’t try to win? You had 4 quarters to win and didn’t, so don’t try on this play?” Wow.

By: isaacburris

isaacburris — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:57:32 +0000

Nothing wrong with what he did. Finally someone grows a pair and does it. Every coach has wanted too and they cant say they haven’t. Nobody wants to just sat there and take a loss when they think they can do something about it. Eli mannings just a cry baby anyways.

By: yousuxxors

yousuxxors — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:50:06 +0000

to bad the bucs were notbplaying hard for the other 14 minutes and 55 seconds. even if the giants did fumble the game would of been over. the miracle at the meadowlands happened because they disnt kneel. i hate when teams do it for the lasr two minutes like the bucs did against the panthers but there 5 seconds left . this was in bad taste and seems like a sore loser. no one was expecting that to happen why they could get injured. there is a difference between playing hard and playing dumb. know when the game is over. freeman couldnt get the drive done. coughlin knows how to argue lije a mab unlike schawtz.

By: tobotobot

tobotobot — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:54:39 +0000

As a Giants fan and as a sports fan I do not have a problem with the play itself. My problem is that it was dishonest, and in that sense a cheap shot. That call is unheard of in the NFL, and with injuries such a problem for teams and for the league itself, give the other team notice that you’re going to accept a kneel down; announce it, upfront, “like a man,” don’t fire off on o-linemen back on their heels not expecting real contact. With notice and respect for the other team playing the game, the move would be legal and sportsmanlike. This was legal and unsportsmanlike, a cheap shot. So, the Bucs and their supporters can hold up the letter of the law, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was a cowardly tactic, and would have been a cowardly way to win a game. Especially having blown a 2 touchdown lead.

By: j0ey15

j0ey15 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:49:01 +0000

It’s part of the game, play til the clock hits 0:00

The bucs gave every indication before the snap that they were coming

By: heyooo

heyooo — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:39:20 +0000

Oh really it worked twice at Rutgers? Didn’t work this time. There’s a reason no other NFL team uses that play. If the Bucs won, Schiano is a genius. If the play caused a season ending injury to a player, Schiano is a moron. Neither happened. Bucs lost. End of story.

By: falstaffsmind

falstaffsmind — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:32:01 +0000

To those who think Schiano did wrong, what is the point of a non-contested play? Why doesn’t the NFL just blow the whistle and run the clock out when the offense lines up in victory?

By: ozzle50

ozzle50 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:34:38 +0000

I guess I was wrong in thinking that when you knelt down in football that meant you were essentially giving yourself up to avoid injury. So when a receiver takes a knee in the endzone, should he be tackled? When a quarterback slides feet first should he be jumped on? When a receiver falls to the ground after a reception is he fair game?

I hope the next time Tampa lines up in a kneel down formation, the opposing team treats it like a goal line stand and rips of their quarterback’s helmet.

By: rdrdrs58

rdrdrs58 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:29:59 +0000

I coach high school football and when we have been in games that were close and a team was trying to take a knee, we put in our short yard defense and try to disrupt the snap by firing off hard into the line… the LB’s are told to shoot the gaps and go for the QB’s hands and ball to try and knock it loose. Every game we’ve done this, we were within a score. Whenever we take a knee, we tell our o-line to cut down their splits, and fire out like they are running a QB Sneak. The two running backs are assigned to the LB’s… and our QB is told to get the snap, get back 4 – 5 steps and take the knee.

Coughlin needs to coach his players up and have them ready. It is a legit play and like many people, the game isnt over until that last whistle blows.

By: nitro276

nitro276 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:11:19 +0000

….or that time in ’04 when Jeremiah Trotter nearly broke Eli in half at the waist….

By: httr73

httr73 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:11:14 +0000

Wow. That organization does not like when someone violates an unwritten rule. First, Mara has the Skins and Boys take a cap hit. Now, Tommy is turning all purple because TB was trying everything it could to win a game. I’d hate to see what happens if Clay Mathews bunts in the 9th while Eli is pitching a no hitter.

By: erikinhell

erikinhell — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:10:44 +0000

If I’m a coach and down by 8 or less with 10 seconds left, my defense would crash the line too. As the offense is expecting to sit on the ball and relax, it’s the perfect time to make a defensive play.

By: nitro276

nitro276 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:09:39 +0000

Bush league…blah blah blah.

The Giants should shut up and be glad they snuck out of there 1-1 instead of 0-2.

Eli got tripped and fell down. Oh no! Not like that time Calvin Pace popped him and sent his helmet 20 feet away…

By: hatersweargreen

hatersweargreen — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:34:23 +0000

20 bucks says, if the bucs and giants were in the same division (and therefore had to play them again this year) the bucs wouldnt have pulled that.

i hope they meet in the playoffs and the Gmen run the score into insane territory on the bucs. then after they can say, well we were going to just go into victory formation but you know what happened last time.

which, by the way is what plenty of other teams are going to do now against the bucs.

if i were a bucs player i’d be steamed at my head coach.

By: wickdawg7

wickdawg7 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:31:51 +0000

Each team is allowed to play hard until the final whistle. The fact that the Giants were not prepared to play hard on the last play is Coughlin’s fault.

I guarantee that every team that plays the Bucs this year have taken notice, learned from Coughlin’s mistake and will make sure to prepare for this happening again. That means each team has to spend practice time on the kneel down with defense rushing hard, taking away from focusing on different parts of their game plan. Plus if teams decide to do something different against the Bucs in this situation, it increases the chances of a fumble or mistake.

I hope every team decides to rush hard on the final snap if there is even a mathematical chance of them tying the score or winning the game.

By: turbo2728

turbo2728 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 09:02:16 +0000

They played until the end. Can’t criticise a team for that. Why Eli didn’t take more that one step back when it was clear the Bucs were coming is anyone’s guess.

Line up in the pistol if you want to take a knee. Problem solved.

By: spacemonkey

spacemonkey — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:54:55 +0000

I’ve been watching, playing and coaching football for forty years now. I’m not a Giants or Bucs fan, and historically rooted for the non-Jaguars team so I’m used to looking at Tom Coughlin as “the other team’s coach” and sometimes even “the bad guy.”

That said, I’m now officially an unabashed, unrepentant fan of Tom Coughlin. He’s a class act, and respects the history and tradition of the game we all love so much.

We’ve had these traditions for as long as we’ve had airplanes. Traditions that involve and impact practices, games and even seasonal events. Schiano acting like he never knew this makes him look like a colossal idiot. Just come out and say the truth, coach: “Look, I know all about this formation, but I don’t give a crap because all I care about is winning games; and don’t bother me with tradition or sportsmanship because I have none.”

Somewhere there must be a clear line between competitiveness and profesionallism, and this is on the wrong side of that line.

By: lanman11

lanman11 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:01:04 +0000

Once again, the Giants make with the “unwritten rule” (like they did with trying to stash Ballard on the practice squad via waivers and then complaining when the Pats picked him up). This is the same team that has gone untouched during this bounty scandal after making clear comments about injuring a player recovering from a concussion. When is this team NOT whining?

By: magicbucs

magicbucs — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:22:31 +0000

The giants need to move to the lingerie football league if they are going to cry about this and so does anybody or players/coaches. IT’S FOOTBALL! Those girls won’t complain about it in the LFL.

By: ripseau

ripseau — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:20:20 +0000

I’m calling it today-
teams will avoid the v formation against the bucs and in a big game, while the opponent is running the ball instead of kneeling down, the running back will fumble and the Bucs will look like genius’.

By: codysteeler

codysteeler — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:09:14 +0000

You play to win!
Bottom line!
I love the decision by Shiano!

By: oranjellojones

oranjellojones — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:55:12 +0000

It’s just nuts. The Giants scored 25 in the 4th. Here’s a thought, stop them SOMETIME before that last play in the 4th instead of the bush league move on the VERY LAST play of the game!

By: footballfan292

footballfan292 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:54:48 +0000

A New York sports team whining? What else is new.

By: traveye99

traveye99 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:17:39 +0000

So trying to pull out a miracle victory is bush league, but faking injuries to give your defense a breather is good football? Let’s lose the double standard Coughlin.

By: gpete1962

gpete1962 — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:14:17 +0000

the fact is as soon as the QB puts his knee down or a player gives himself up is an actual rule of the game.

Combine that with the fact that in this situation there would have been no time left on the clock to do anything anyway.

Brings me to conclude that Shiano is just another jerk looking to make a headline!!!

If he wanted to play the odds and percentages on fumbles and bad snaps, he should have all out blitzed when the giants were on there goal line instead of just letting them score, or try to force them to kick a field goal. That’s what a smart coach would have done!

BTW there has never been a successful turnover against the victory formation in the NFL