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	<title>Comments on: NFL has looked at victory formation rule in the past, could look at it again</title>
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		<title>By: petedutcher</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004996</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[petedutcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 04:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two things...

Schiano would not complain if the score was run up on the Bucs...he&#039;s not that kind of coach.

Second...no Bucs defensive player went for any knees. If you watch the replay only one played was that low...and he was going AROUND the oline to recover a fumble if it worked.

The rest were ABOVE THE WAIST.

Leave the rule as it is. It&#039;s up to the teams to handle it...rest assured, no team will be caught unaware in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things&#8230;</p>
<p>Schiano would not complain if the score was run up on the Bucs&#8230;he&#8217;s not that kind of coach.</p>
<p>Second&#8230;no Bucs defensive player went for any knees. If you watch the replay only one played was that low&#8230;and he was going AROUND the oline to recover a fumble if it worked.</p>
<p>The rest were ABOVE THE WAIST.</p>
<p>Leave the rule as it is. It&#8217;s up to the teams to handle it&#8230;rest assured, no team will be caught unaware in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: bkostela</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004888</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bkostela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 03:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[smokingconch says:
Sep 18, 2012 4:04 PM
Easy rule fix: If a play goes for negative yardage within the final two minutes, the clock stops. Now that would make for some better endings to close games!

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ok so you&#039;re on defense with the lead and less than a minute left and the other team has no timeouts and has to drive the whole field to win. now going out of bounds, incompletions AND sacks stop the clock for the offense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smokingconch says:<br />
Sep 18, 2012 4:04 PM<br />
Easy rule fix: If a play goes for negative yardage within the final two minutes, the clock stops. Now that would make for some better endings to close games!</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>ok so you&#8217;re on defense with the lead and less than a minute left and the other team has no timeouts and has to drive the whole field to win. now going out of bounds, incompletions AND sacks stop the clock for the offense.</p>
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		<title>By: wrossi81</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004451</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wrossi81]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 00:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kneeldowns at the end of the first half and at the end of the second half when the kneeling team is ahead by less than 8 points should be penalized as unsportsmanlike conduct, 10 yard penalty with loss of down, with the clock stopped.  To me that&#039;s truly unsportsmanlike, to not play until the last second is off the clock.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kneeldowns at the end of the first half and at the end of the second half when the kneeling team is ahead by less than 8 points should be penalized as unsportsmanlike conduct, 10 yard penalty with loss of down, with the clock stopped.  To me that&#8217;s truly unsportsmanlike, to not play until the last second is off the clock.</p>
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		<title>By: greymares</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004390</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[greymares]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1 possesion game no(legal) holds barred, more than 8pts sportsmanship shoud prevail. (just my opinion)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 possesion game no(legal) holds barred, more than 8pts sportsmanship shoud prevail. (just my opinion)</p>
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		<title>By: dallascowboysdishingthereal</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dallascowboysdishingthereal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another stinking rule that limits contact or tries to call off anything is exactly what the NFL does NOT need!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another stinking rule that limits contact or tries to call off anything is exactly what the NFL does NOT need!</p>
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		<title>By: swadehoo</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004360</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[swadehoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As much as I want to say it was wrong, I&#039;ve busted on baseball for the unwritten rule crap for years, so it would be hypocritical not to back Schiano on this one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I want to say it was wrong, I&#8217;ve busted on baseball for the unwritten rule crap for years, so it would be hypocritical not to back Schiano on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Wright 212</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004358</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Wright 212]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bottom line, I have no problem with it.

And obviously not everyone on the Bucs D got the memo, because not all of them did it. As I said before, they were tight because they blew the lead, then Freeman threw the INT to seal it. They were frustrated more than anything else. Wouldn&#039;t call it bush league or anything dirty, just an exhibition of bitter losers, which we all have been at some point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom line, I have no problem with it.</p>
<p>And obviously not everyone on the Bucs D got the memo, because not all of them did it. As I said before, they were tight because they blew the lead, then Freeman threw the INT to seal it. They were frustrated more than anything else. Wouldn&#8217;t call it bush league or anything dirty, just an exhibition of bitter losers, which we all have been at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisexv6</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004348</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chrisexv6]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@mannyfresh209:

You&#039;re right, he didnt.  One could (and I would) argue that he didnt get the CHANCE to do so before being knocked down by his own O-lineman after being pushed by the Tampa D.

Again, bad on the O-line for not expecting it, but still at least a little bad for Tampa D for doing it.

Id like to see what happens if TB ends up in the situation to win a game with a kneel.  Would they get bent if someone came after them even though they were &quot;victory formation&quot;-ing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mannyfresh209:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, he didnt.  One could (and I would) argue that he didnt get the CHANCE to do so before being knocked down by his own O-lineman after being pushed by the Tampa D.</p>
<p>Again, bad on the O-line for not expecting it, but still at least a little bad for Tampa D for doing it.</p>
<p>Id like to see what happens if TB ends up in the situation to win a game with a kneel.  Would they get bent if someone came after them even though they were &#8220;victory formation&#8221;-ing?</p>
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		<title>By: trojanwarrior007</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004319</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[trojanwarrior007]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope they don&#039;t change the rule because of some Rutgers wise guy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they don&#8217;t change the rule because of some Rutgers wise guy.</p>
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		<title>By: wolfpack152</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wolfpack152]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t players fire off the line when QB is going to ground the ball to stop the clock? Sometimes they fake this play yes? I wonder if there has ever been a fake kneel down?! If there was - it would most likely be Belichek - Schiano&#039;s friend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t players fire off the line when QB is going to ground the ball to stop the clock? Sometimes they fake this play yes? I wonder if there has ever been a fake kneel down?! If there was &#8211; it would most likely be Belichek &#8211; Schiano&#8217;s friend.</p>
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		<title>By: rolloxd</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004232</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rolloxd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kneeling, in itself is a unsportsmanlike play. If it were me making the rules, (Which it obviously isn&#039;t) I would change the rulebook to make it so the winning team, within 2 minutes left In the game, the offense has to make progress to keep the clock running.

So per say, a team is down 7 with 1:46 left, they should have to move the ball foreward to keep the clock running, plain and simple. That gives the defense the chance to change the game.

Just my 2 cents]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kneeling, in itself is a unsportsmanlike play. If it were me making the rules, (Which it obviously isn&#8217;t) I would change the rulebook to make it so the winning team, within 2 minutes left In the game, the offense has to make progress to keep the clock running.</p>
<p>So per say, a team is down 7 with 1:46 left, they should have to move the ball foreward to keep the clock running, plain and simple. That gives the defense the chance to change the game.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents</p>
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		<title>By: njsteelersfan</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004201</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[njsteelersfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whats going to be funny is when this happens to the Bucs and one of the players get hurt Someones going to stand over that player and say thank your couch for that]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats going to be funny is when this happens to the Bucs and one of the players get hurt Someones going to stand over that player and say thank your couch for that</p>
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		<title>By: kev86</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004166</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kev86]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NYG took a knee against the 18-0 Pats. That was a classic victory formation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYG took a knee against the 18-0 Pats. That was a classic victory formation.</p>
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		<title>By: robertocfg</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[robertocfg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forcing defenses to concede defeat would be the same as forcing losing teams on offense to accept defeat and not trying a Hail Mary pass, for example.

If teams on offense can do anything within their reach to try to win the game, including Hail Mary passes even if it&#039;s just to seek a defensive pass interference, why should the defenses be forced to concede defeat? If the game is not lost for the offense until the clock hits 00:00, why should it be for lost for the defense?

Coughlin says that they risk injuring players. Maybe he should just not coach a football team, because guess what, Tom? It&#039;s the same risk of injury than in any other snap in the game. No more, no less. It&#039;s a legal play, and it&#039;s playing hard, as opposed to telling your players to fake injury to stop a no-huddle offense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forcing defenses to concede defeat would be the same as forcing losing teams on offense to accept defeat and not trying a Hail Mary pass, for example.</p>
<p>If teams on offense can do anything within their reach to try to win the game, including Hail Mary passes even if it&#8217;s just to seek a defensive pass interference, why should the defenses be forced to concede defeat? If the game is not lost for the offense until the clock hits 00:00, why should it be for lost for the defense?</p>
<p>Coughlin says that they risk injuring players. Maybe he should just not coach a football team, because guess what, Tom? It&#8217;s the same risk of injury than in any other snap in the game. No more, no less. It&#8217;s a legal play, and it&#8217;s playing hard, as opposed to telling your players to fake injury to stop a no-huddle offense.</p>
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		<title>By: dmartin17</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004164</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dmartin17]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The real reason teams shouldn&#039;t concede the kneel down is that scenario when there is a few seconds more on the clock than the kneel down will allow for. So the quarterback waits 2-3 seconds before kneeling to make up for that gap.

I&#039;ve seen Brady do that. Schiano&#039;s call would&#039;ve given his team the ball back in that case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real reason teams shouldn&#8217;t concede the kneel down is that scenario when there is a few seconds more on the clock than the kneel down will allow for. So the quarterback waits 2-3 seconds before kneeling to make up for that gap.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen Brady do that. Schiano&#8217;s call would&#8217;ve given his team the ball back in that case.</p>
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		<title>By: kev86</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kev86]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tampa technically within the rules had the right to take a cheap shot after getting waxed for 600 yards and they did. Cheap shot by a sub par team that choked trying to upset the champs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tampa technically within the rules had the right to take a cheap shot after getting waxed for 600 yards and they did. Cheap shot by a sub par team that choked trying to upset the champs.</p>
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		<title>By: dmartin17</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004153</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dmartin17]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People who are talking about the QB: That&#039;s not the real issue at hand here. It&#039;s the OL getting hit unexpectedly and even worse: getting hit low.

The QB was untouched by the defense but knocked back by the O-Line.


And all the contact in TB game happened before he gave himself up anyways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who are talking about the QB: That&#8217;s not the real issue at hand here. It&#8217;s the OL getting hit unexpectedly and even worse: getting hit low.</p>
<p>The QB was untouched by the defense but knocked back by the O-Line.</p>
<p>And all the contact in TB game happened before he gave himself up anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: paulsmith107</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004152</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paulsmith107]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought it was a great play. Last time I checked a game was 60 minutes so you play 60 minutes. It&#039;s not like nobody knew that Tampa wasn&#039;t coming on that play they lined up like they were coming and the offense got blasted back because of it. Tom coughlin has zero class and schiano should have slapped toms old a in the mouth for disrespecting him like that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was a great play. Last time I checked a game was 60 minutes so you play 60 minutes. It&#8217;s not like nobody knew that Tampa wasn&#8217;t coming on that play they lined up like they were coming and the offense got blasted back because of it. Tom coughlin has zero class and schiano should have slapped toms old a in the mouth for disrespecting him like that.</p>
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		<title>By: judsonjr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[judsonjr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eli didn&#039;t get knocked down, he mistakenly thought the coaches gave the &quot;fall down and act injured&quot; signal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eli didn&#8217;t get knocked down, he mistakenly thought the coaches gave the &#8220;fall down and act injured&#8221; signal.</p>
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		<title>By: db105</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[db105]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds illogical so the NFL will probably do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds illogical so the NFL will probably do it.</p>
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		<title>By: eigglesnosuperbowls</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eigglesnosuperbowls]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe when Craig is trying to salt a game away someone will blast through and hurt one of his players then and only then can he get back to us on this !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe when Craig is trying to salt a game away someone will blast through and hurt one of his players then and only then can he get back to us on this !</p>
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		<title>By: mannyfresh209</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mannyfresh209]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chrisexv6

If you can show me Eli taking the knee, I&#039;ll commend you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chrisexv6</p>
<p>If you can show me Eli taking the knee, I&#8217;ll commend you.</p>
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		<title>By: jaykray</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jaykray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To all the folks who say that they had all game to win and should not rely on the final few second...

Remember that the next time your team comes back to win it with no time left on the clock, or they needed a defensive penalty for one last play.

Think before you judge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all the folks who say that they had all game to win and should not rely on the final few second&#8230;</p>
<p>Remember that the next time your team comes back to win it with no time left on the clock, or they needed a defensive penalty for one last play.</p>
<p>Think before you judge.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisexv6</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004081</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chrisexv6]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How much different is this, really, from the defenseless player rule?

Eli gave himself up by kneeling.  Play is over and done with.  Did the hit occur after his knee touched the ground?

Would it be better if he were to take the ball and slide, at which time you cant touch him?

Its probably bad on the O-line since they werent playing to expect it.  But at least a little bad on Tampa for doing it.  And if it was Tampa trying to win the game, how come not EVERYONE on their D did it?  Only looked like a couple people up front.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much different is this, really, from the defenseless player rule?</p>
<p>Eli gave himself up by kneeling.  Play is over and done with.  Did the hit occur after his knee touched the ground?</p>
<p>Would it be better if he were to take the ball and slide, at which time you cant touch him?</p>
<p>Its probably bad on the O-line since they werent playing to expect it.  But at least a little bad on Tampa for doing it.  And if it was Tampa trying to win the game, how come not EVERYONE on their D did it?  Only looked like a couple people up front.</p>
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		<title>By: drbob117</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004080</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[drbob117]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just treat it the same way as you treat it the rest of the game. If this formation is run the QB is &quot;giving himself up&quot;; just like a slide. So if he gets hit while kneeling down; it&#039;s personal foul defense,15 yards, and the ref runs off the remaining time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just treat it the same way as you treat it the rest of the game. If this formation is run the QB is &#8220;giving himself up&#8221;; just like a slide. So if he gets hit while kneeling down; it&#8217;s personal foul defense,15 yards, and the ref runs off the remaining time.</p>
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		<title>By: tikkanen10</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004078</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tikkanen10]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Make the victory formation like a fair catch.  This would remove any ambiguity, and help prevent injury in the final meaningless minute of a game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make the victory formation like a fair catch.  This would remove any ambiguity, and help prevent injury in the final meaningless minute of a game.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004061</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember when the Pats ran up the score the first year they had Moss and guys were complaining how they did not take the knee. You can never please everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember when the Pats ran up the score the first year they had Moss and guys were complaining how they did not take the knee. You can never please everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: bushwoodcc</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bushwoodcc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Easy answer, the o-line actually needs to block in the victory formation. If the o-line gives the QB time to get down to the ground before the hit then the hit becomes unnecessary roughness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy answer, the o-line actually needs to block in the victory formation. If the o-line gives the QB time to get down to the ground before the hit then the hit becomes unnecessary roughness.</p>
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		<title>By: situsavaisprier</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[situsavaisprier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a Giants fan and not only have I found nothing wrong with what happened, I don&#039;t like how people make it seem like it has never been done before. I can&#039;t remember exactly where or when but I recall a defensive player on a kneel down formation, launched over the offensive line to hit the QB. 

The Bucs could have forced a fumble, recover it, and then throw one last heave into the endzone. Not trying to pick on anyone, but I wonder if it was perhaps a higher ranked team, how would the reaction be?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Giants fan and not only have I found nothing wrong with what happened, I don&#8217;t like how people make it seem like it has never been done before. I can&#8217;t remember exactly where or when but I recall a defensive player on a kneel down formation, launched over the offensive line to hit the QB. </p>
<p>The Bucs could have forced a fumble, recover it, and then throw one last heave into the endzone. Not trying to pick on anyone, but I wonder if it was perhaps a higher ranked team, how would the reaction be?</p>
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		<title>By: asween16</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/18/nfl-has-looked-at-victory-formation-rule-in-the-past/#comment-2004048</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[asween16]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets not forget that it was just a year ago the Giants were faking injuries on D to win the game.

Now that is arguably cheating if not bush league.

Don&#039;t whine about the other team really playing when you practice your own deceptive play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not forget that it was just a year ago the Giants were faking injuries on D to win the game.</p>
<p>Now that is arguably cheating if not bush league.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t whine about the other team really playing when you practice your own deceptive play.</p>
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