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If they need a Hail Mary, Broncos will turn to Osweiler over Manning

Brock Osweiler AP

Other than garbage time or late-season games when the Colts had nothing to play for, Peyton Manning has never been pulled for another quarterback in his NFL career. But if the Broncos need a Hail Mary this season, he will be.

Broncos backup Brock Osweiler confirmed on Monday night that he was warming up late in the game against the Falcons because if the Broncos had gotten the ball back with just enough time to throw one deep pass into the end zone, Osweiler — not Manning — would have thrown the pass.

I was going in for the Hail Mary,” Osweiler told Mike Klis of the Denver Post. “I’m not sure what the dividing line was as far as me going in, but I was getting ready to go in.”

That could mean Manning’s arm strength isn’t all the way back from where it was prior to last year’s multiple neck surgeries, although it might just be a reflection that Osweiler can throw a ball farther than Manning ever could. In 2000 Patriots coach Bill Belichick pulled Drew Bledsoe and left Tom Brady on the bench to give the stronger-armed backup Michael Bishop a shot at a Hail Mary, so pulling a starting quarterback in that situation wouldn’t be unprecedented.

As it turned out, the Falcons ran out the clock and preserved a 27-21 win, and the Broncos didn’t get the chance to throw a Hail Mary. But if they had, Manning would have watched it from the sideline.

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61 Responses to “If they need a Hail Mary, Broncos will turn to Osweiler over Manning”
  1. fitzmagic1212 says: Sep 19, 2012 9:46 AM

    makes sense

  2. paulitik74 says: Sep 19, 2012 9:51 AM

    What a slap in the face that would have been. Good thing my Falcons didn’t let Fox embarass Manning like that.

  3. bucrightoff says: Sep 19, 2012 9:53 AM

    Denver will regret signing Manning by midseason. His arm might not be shot, but even if its 90% of what it was, thats the difference between a 40TD 10 INT season and a 28 TD 15 INT season.

  4. freggiebushrod says: Sep 19, 2012 9:54 AM

    God bless peyton and his noodle arm

  5. voiceofreasonsays says: Sep 19, 2012 9:55 AM

    In Denver they have 99 problems and their QB is definitely one.

    Peyton robbed that ownership blind.

  6. rickastleydancemoves says: Sep 19, 2012 9:56 AM

    Not bad for a $20 mil a year investment.

  7. eagleswin says: Sep 19, 2012 9:56 AM

    It’s obvious if you watched the game that Manning’s fastball is gone. After the 3rd INT I don’t think they tried another deep pass. The mind is still there but the body is weak.

    That’s why John Fox was so upset. His 20 mill/yr QB who he can’t yell at couldn’t complete a pass longer than 10 yards. John Gruden, who will never blame a coach or player for anything in his campaign to become a coach again could only talk about the refs because if he did anything else he’d have to criticize Manning (and manning’s arm) or John Fox’s buffoonery.

    Don’t blame the refs for the game getting out of control, blame the Coach who not only encouraged the players to ignore the refs but actively took out his anger on Manning’s horrible first quarter on them.

    Short of ejecting the coach and some of the players (which the refs also would’ve been roundly criticized for doing) the new refs didn’t do anything the old refs wouldn’t have done.

    The difference is that the coaches (and by extension the players they coach) feel they can get away with it because everyone is hammering them unmercifully.

  8. emg58 says: Sep 19, 2012 9:57 AM

    Oz’s arm strength is stronger than Mannings ever was. Oz also has some ability to move around more to buy some time and the arm to sling to the end zone.

  9. bullcharger says: Sep 19, 2012 9:57 AM

    Hail Mary aside, I think Manning’s arm strength is signficantly worse than it was. In the first quarter he saw openings, he just couldn’t get the ball there in time. He has to have bigger windows now. He seemed to get stronger as the game progressed, but he still has to really step into hard throws to the point where it takes him a full second to get it out of his hand. Hopefully his full strength comes back over the course of the season.

  10. h3min1230 says: Sep 19, 2012 10:01 AM

    Watching Manning on Monday night was kinda sad. He can still make all the reads and audibles, but it looks like his arm is just dead now.

  11. martymiller104 says: Sep 19, 2012 10:03 AM

    Manning wouldn’t throw a hail mary for the reason that the routes would take longer and he could avoid a big hit by letting a back-up throw the ball…I don’t think it’s an arm strength question.

  12. paytonsghost34 says: Sep 19, 2012 10:04 AM

    This really isn’t a surprise to me. If you watched that 2nd INT that Manning had against the Falcons he had zero arm strength to get that pass where he needed to.

  13. someidiotfromouthereintheprojects says: Sep 19, 2012 10:07 AM

    and if they need to do a dramatic reenactment of scenes from a twilight movie, he is their go-to guy in that event as well.

  14. fatguystrangler says: Sep 19, 2012 10:08 AM

    And, Michael Bishop connected on that Hail Mary, if I’m not mistaken. Only to be never heard from in the NFL again.

  15. brinks22 says: Sep 19, 2012 10:11 AM

    Belichick pulled Drew Bledsoe for Michael Bishop

  16. leadlap says: Sep 19, 2012 10:12 AM

    Or, the Broncos didn’t want Manning to have another interception on his stat line. If someone is going to throw a pick, it might as well be the backup.

  17. dybzinski10 says: Sep 19, 2012 10:13 AM

    Michael Bishop and Tom Brady were only on the same team in 2000, and both rode the bench all year long.

    Did you mean Bledsoe then?

  18. fatediesel says: Sep 19, 2012 10:14 AM

    Bishop replaced Drew Bledsoe, not Brady. Bishop’s Hail Mary touchdown happened in 2000, and Brady didn’t become a starter until 2001 (and Bishop had been released by that point).

  19. nflofficeadmin says: Sep 19, 2012 10:19 AM

    We need a quick touch down, Take out Peyton, Put in Osweiler… What!?!?!?!

  20. meytonpanning says: Sep 19, 2012 10:19 AM

    On another note, I think Peyton would make an amazing head coach or OC.

  21. The Prophet says: Sep 19, 2012 10:25 AM

    That could mean Manning’s arm strength isn’t all the way back from where it was prior to last year’s multiple neck surgeries, although it might just be a reflection that Osweiler can throw a ball farther than Manning ever could.
    ——————–

    I think both. Peyton is not the same and is limited. And knowing that Peyton is going to be thinking long-term quality of life healthwise I think he’s done after this year or next at the latest.

  22. tmac4454 says: Sep 19, 2012 10:25 AM

    I still believe in Peyton. He needs to be a little smarter and not try to force the throws. He is still rusty but I thought the General was back when he put the Steelers to bed.

  23. trojanwarrior007 says: Sep 19, 2012 10:28 AM

    I’m surprised Turico didn’t mention it because it was obvious when the camera showed Osweiler warming up.

  24. scarletmacaw says: Sep 19, 2012 10:29 AM

    I just wonder why it isn’t standard in the NFL for the strongest-armed QB to be the one to throw a hail mary. I’ve seen plenty of games where the starting QB was left in and couldn’t get it all the way into the end zone.

  25. ras1tafari says: Sep 19, 2012 10:31 AM

    it’s crazy to recall the clamor to play Bishop back then… remember Rohan Davey? hahahaha

  26. listenup823 says: Sep 19, 2012 10:32 AM

    Eagleswin probably shouldn’t be running his fat mouth about Coaches and QBs..

  27. touchdownroddywhite says: Sep 19, 2012 10:35 AM

    Two weeks ago Manning carves up the Steelers D and he’s back. He has a bad outing this week and his arm is gone? Fans are so silly.

  28. thraiderskin says: Sep 19, 2012 10:36 AM

    and why not… Brock has a cannon… I mean a real cannon.

  29. promickey says: Sep 19, 2012 10:38 AM

    Oh, well I thought the interceptions that Peyton threw were his updated “Hail Mary”

    What happens now that the NFL knows Peyton Manning can’t throw over 20 yards…….There will be a few teams reviewing film on what Mike Nolan did to coordinate the Falcon’s defense.

  30. scotchrocks says: Sep 19, 2012 10:38 AM

    Besides the arm strength, the ironic thing is how many of Manning’s passes looked like the ducks Tebow was throwing last year.

    In this case, it’s good Decker and Thomas have experience in catching wobblers.

  31. billsfan1 says: Sep 19, 2012 10:40 AM

    this is what 20 million is giving you? of course how often will a hail mary be needed

  32. vanmorrissey says: Sep 19, 2012 10:41 AM

    Now all opponents can rule out deep pass from Manning knowing he can’t get it there. That was apperant from game 1. That and the 92 mph fastball is more like 87 mph and defenses will adapt. Give the Broncos a 2 year window, maybe, with Manning at QB.

  33. jaguar187 says: Sep 19, 2012 10:46 AM

    The Dan Patrick show found he is 0 for 5 this season with three picks on passes 20 yards and longer. Maybe his arm’s still getting stronger, but if not, it’s going to be a long year for Manning and Denver. Atlanta’s secondary is just ok, and hit with injuries, and they looked like all-pros.

  34. mrstinkypants says: Sep 19, 2012 10:49 AM

    John Elway is partly to blame here too. He is the one that had to have Manning in, and at $20 million dollars he made a bad bet at that price tag.

  35. jjackwagon says: Sep 19, 2012 10:56 AM

    Prediction – Denver Fans riot after the second loss to the Chargers on Nov 18th. Fox feels the pressure and Manning suddenly and mysteriously gets reported as “injured”. Osweiler gets the start against the Chiefs and has a career day.

  36. rpiotr01 says: Sep 19, 2012 11:00 AM

    Did anyone look at Manning’s first TD of the night to Thomas? That was an ugly, wobbling wounded duck, and if Mark Sanchez threw that pass sports talking heads would have blown up over it.

    You could even almost sense in Gruden’s voice as he was watching the replay, he wanted to say something, but remembered to chicken out at the last moment.

    I don’t know how the Broncos go far if their QB can’t push the ball down field. Just a necessity in the modern game.

  37. zinn22 says: Sep 19, 2012 11:06 AM

    The strength of Manning’s game is not is arm but his brain. It’s his calls at the LOS checking out of bad plays into good plays. He tore up Pitt with his brain not his arm. Maybe he will get the arm strength back but he can still be a top 5 QB on his brain alone. Manning by himself raises the play of everyone on the Broncos offense.

    He took a very bad Colts team from nothing to a yearly SB contender. When he was out last year we can see how good the rest of the team was. He will do the same with Denver except Denver is a much better team than Indy ever was. Better defense, better OL, better RB. If he can survive the 1st half schedule they will be a SB contender.

  38. beavertonsteve says: Sep 19, 2012 11:07 AM

    I’m not sure why any team leaves a star QB out on the field to aimlessly chuck a football as far as they can into the endzone while trying to evade pass rushers that know you have to hold onto the ball long enough to allow receivers to sprint 50 yards. Usually we end up watching the QB get absolutely demolished right as they throw it.

  39. yamchargers says: Sep 19, 2012 11:08 AM

    touchdownroddywhite says:
    Sep 19, 2012 10:35 AM
    Two weeks ago Manning carves up the Steelers D and he’s back. He has a bad outing this week and his arm is gone? Fans are so silly.
    ————————————
    Yes the same defense that Tebow carved up last year. Alot of people had Pitt and Den overrated going into week 1 and Den waaaaay overrated going into week 2. And now reality.

  40. randomguy9999 says: Sep 19, 2012 11:20 AM

    there’s no reason to put Manning out there for a hail mary where hes gonna be dodging rush for 10 seconds trying to stay upright… putting a backup in makes sense

    haters saying his arm strength is gone and he’ll be done soon?

    that doesn’t make sense at all… he put heat on throws in that game…. he was also lobbing it some because of coverage…. and he put up a serious 45 yard throw that was accurate and fast…

    he got fooled by coverage twice, and that’s on him…. but a bad game does not an MVP’s / HOFer’s career end

  41. Grulks says: Sep 19, 2012 11:23 AM

    bucrightoff says:

    Denver will regret signing Manning by midseason. His arm might not be shot, but even if its 90% of what it was, thats the difference between a 40TD 10 INT season and a 28 TD 15 INT season.
    ==============
    Today I learned that 90% of 40 = 28, and 110% of 10 = 15. Must be new math, unless you are just arbitrarily making up numbers.

    I don’t know about Manning’s arm strength, but I think one thing everyone can probably agree on is his accuracy/touch are suffering. His “laser, rocket arm” is producing some wobbling ducks, even in short passes, not the crisp clean passes he was slinging two years ago.

    I genuinely like watching Manning play, I hope his strength and accuracy improve. And if not, I hope he’ll decide to retire next off season, instead of trying to play at reduced capacity.

  42. sbubandit says: Sep 19, 2012 11:43 AM

    Manning has been saying all along, even after last week’s “HE’S BACK” headlines, that he is not 100% yet, and still has a long ways to go to be back at full strength. Now one rough game and everyone’s grabbing a shovel to help bury him. I’m more concerned about his line play. He’s taking sacks at a rate well beyond anything he’s ever seen before.

    For those who haven’t noticed yet, Drew Brees, who just set the NFL mark for passing yards in a season, has thrown 4 TDs, 4 picks, and has a QB rating of 71.6 right now. Is he done too?

    NFL fans are a fickle bunch. Settle down, there’s alot of football left to play, and none of it will be decided by us.

  43. EJ says: Sep 19, 2012 11:55 AM

    Pulling Manning to have a stronger armed QB make the throw is no different than taking the starting Runningback out at the goaline to have the bigger runner punch it through. Some players are better than others in certain situations. Whatever is best for the team to succeed needs to be done.

  44. bucrightoff says: Sep 19, 2012 12:13 PM

    Grulks says:Sep 19, 2012 11:23 AM

    bucrightoff says:

    Denver will regret signing Manning by midseason. His arm might not be shot, but even if its 90% of what it was, thats the difference between a 40TD 10 INT season and a 28 TD 15 INT season.
    ==============
    Today I learned that 90% of 40 = 28, and 110% of 10 = 15. Must be new math, unless you are just arbitrarily making up numbers.

    I don’t know about Manning’s arm strength, but I think one thing everyone can probably agree on is his accuracy/touch are suffering. His “laser, rocket arm” is producing some wobbling ducks, even in short passes, not the crisp clean passes he was slinging two years ago.

    I genuinely like watching Manning play, I hope his strength and accuracy improve. And if not, I hope he’ll decide to retire next off season, instead of trying to play at reduced capacity.
    __________________________________

    Actually, I didn’t say his stats would be 90% of what they were. I said his arm was. That 10% is the difference between a completion and an interception. That extra second it takes for the ball to get to the receiver is massive. That little bit extra velocity is the difference between 6 and 0. Its like baseball, a pitcher loses 3 or 4 MPH off his fastball and all of a sudden he goes from a Cy Young type pitcher to just another guy.

  45. justintuckrule says: Sep 19, 2012 12:15 PM

    If you think about it, all teams should let their backups throw the Hail Mary. Why risk having your franchise QB get hammered on a throw that can be made by anyone with an arm?

  46. jdawg111 says: Sep 19, 2012 12:16 PM

    So what your all saying is that Peyton Manning right now is a slower, bigger, and non running version of Tebow…

    Plus he makes 20 million as opposed to 1.1 million.

  47. petehemlock says: Sep 19, 2012 12:28 PM

    Peyton Pennington?

  48. nomorsacbball says: Sep 19, 2012 12:52 PM

    He said he pulled Bledsoe for Bishop and he left Brady on the bench. He didn’t say he pulled Brady. just sayin

  49. miamimike1 says: Sep 19, 2012 1:03 PM

    Manning never claimed to be at 100%. He said he still has work to do as did his doctors and coaches. So everyone that thinks they are coming up with this off the wire news bulletin needs to slow the A.P. wire down. Before you all start bashing a GUY after one bad outing when he himself says he still doing physical therapy lets wait till mid season to say he is down. Even then with his surgeries it might take another off season to get back to 95-100%. Love to read input from the cracker jack degree getting doctors and sports writers lol. Never realize one game shows how someone will heal.

  50. mjkelly77 says: Sep 19, 2012 1:50 PM

    The Prophet says:Sep 19, 2012 10:25 AM

    … Peyton is not the same and is limited. And knowing that Peyton is going to be thinking long-term quality of life healthwise I think he’s done after this year or next at the latest.
    ________________

    manning was done last year and knew it. He’s greedy.

  51. falstaffsmind says: Sep 19, 2012 1:53 PM

    Some teams use the punter to kickoff instead of their place kicker.

  52. mjkelly77 says: Sep 19, 2012 2:02 PM

    miamimike1 says:Sep 19, 2012 1:03 PM

    Manning never claimed to be at 100%. He said he still has work to do as did his doctors and coaches. So everyone that thinks they are coming up with this off the wire news bulletin needs to slow the A.P. wire down. Before you all start bashing a GUY after one bad outing when he himself says he still doing physical therapy lets wait till mid season to say he is down. Even then with his surgeries it might take another off season to get back to 95-100%. Love to read input from the cracker jack degree getting doctors and sports writers lol. Never realize one game shows how someone will heal.
    _______________

    So … is he at 70%? 80%? Is he only getting 70% or 80% of his salary? He’s done. I’ve been saying it for a year. He just conned soemone into overpaying him and his agent is lining up every advertisement in the world to get him into. He’s greedy, manipulative and by initially hiding the surgeries he’s had, he is also an unethical liar.

  53. andrewprough says: Sep 19, 2012 2:09 PM

    When the Broncos are 2-8, Tebow is going to have a huge laugh

  54. bdawkins2 says: Sep 19, 2012 3:31 PM

    You guys are insane talking about Peyton’s arm not being strong. Have you seen him in the fairy outfit throwing the light ball at the TV in the DirecTV commercials? He’s still got it.

  55. mtbroncofan says: Sep 19, 2012 3:57 PM

    You can’t say Peyton’s arm strength is 100%. Even he will admit that. But you all are crazy if you don’t think teams are afraid of the big play against this team. Why else would the falcons have 2 deep safeties on every down even when the Denver run game was dominant? To me it was a process for Peyton to understand what the D was doing and where he could attack it. After the first quarter, he looked damn good. After week three when Peyton throws for 350 yards and three touchdowns everyone on here will be eating their words

  56. 1phd says: Sep 19, 2012 4:30 PM

    Somewhere, Trent Baalke is smiling.

  57. flipadelphia77777 says: Sep 19, 2012 6:59 PM

    ASU

  58. broncosnative says: Sep 19, 2012 7:25 PM

    Denver will regret signing Manning by midseason. His arm might not be shot, but even if its 90% of what it was, thats the difference between a 40TD 10 INT season and a 28 TD 15 INT season.

    Really, most QBs don’t even get close to 40 TDs in fact, on 3the QBs had 40+ and 5 QBs over 30 TDs. There were 697 pass TDs last season, an average of 21 per team, 28 TDs in a season is damn good. I’ll take those numbers from Peyton than what tebow did last season playing at 100%. As passing attempts rises, INTs will be on a rise also, most of you people on here doing know what you’re talking about. QB has one good, everybody is on his wagon, have a bad one, he can play, he has a noodle arm, he’s throwing wounded ducks, need not say more. Ok let’s throw brees under the bus, his contract is more than Peyton and he has 4 TDs with 4 picks, I guess last year was a fluke, he can’t play anymore, he lost his mojo. Get out of fantasy land and come back to reality, manning will adjust and be fine, the broncos will be fine, that’s a fact.

  59. broncosnative says: Sep 19, 2012 7:34 PM

    Denver will regret signing Manning by midseason. His arm might not be shot, but even if its 90% of what it was, thats the difference between a 40TD 10 INT season and a 28 TD 15 INT season.

    Really, most QBs don’t even get close to 40 TDs in fact, only 3 QBs had 40+ TDs and 5 QBs over 30 TDs. There were 697 pass TDs last season, an average of 21 per team, 28 TDs in a season is damn good. I’ll take those numbers from Peyton than what tebow did last season playing at 100%. As passing attempts rises, INTs will be on a rise also, most of you people on here don’t know what you’re talking about. QB has one good game, everybody is on his wagon, have a bad one, he can’t play, he has a noodle arm, he’s throwing wounded ducks, need not say more. Ok let’s throw brees under the bus, his contract is more than Peyton and he has 4 TDs with 4 picks, I guess last year was a fluke, he can’t play anymore, he lost his mojo. Get out of fantasy land and come back to reality, manning will adjust and be fine, the broncos will be fine, that’s a fact.

  60. mtbroncofan says: Sep 20, 2012 1:54 PM

    Here is another reason why those three picks are more a result of comfort in the system rather than his ability: Notice who he is throwing to on those three interceptions? Tamme twice and Stokley once. Those are his two most familiar targets. I can’t believe nobody is talking about this but I think as he gets more comfortable with this offense that seems to be trying to find its identity it will be explosive.

  61. broncosnative says: Sep 20, 2012 5:38 PM

    andrewprough says: Sep 19, 2012 2:09 PM

    When the Broncos are 2-8, Tebow is going to have a huge laugh

    Yeah because tebow would have taking the broncos to a 15-1 record, passing for over 4000 yards, rushed for 700 yards with 35 pass TDs and a superbowl win had they kept him.
    yeah this will come down as the biggest mistake the broncos ever made. Hope he have fun laughing while keeping the jets bench warm all season.

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