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	<title>Comments on: League office should take close look at aftermath of Bucs-Giants kneel-down play</title>
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		<title>By: andrewproughcfe</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andrewproughcfe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 22:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Got to love it when 350 pound guys wearing full-body pads are fined for doing things to other 350 pound guys wearing fully-body pads that couldn&#039;t possibly hurt either of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got to love it when 350 pound guys wearing full-body pads are fined for doing things to other 350 pound guys wearing fully-body pads that couldn&#8217;t possibly hurt either of them.</p>
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		<title>By: jfinn5</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jfinn5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 06:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Giants and Cowboys don&#039;t run the NFL. Or do they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Giants and Cowboys don&#8217;t run the NFL. Or do they?</p>
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		<title>By: judsonjr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[judsonjr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 05:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those of you saying it&#039;s impossible to cause a fumble on a kneel down, read this.  From Green Bay Press Gazette, Dec. 2002.

&quot;On the next play, Walker decided to try the near impossible — anticipate quarterback Jim Miller’s cadence and steal the snap. It worked.

Walker submarined Bears center Olin Kreutz, hit the ball before it got to Miller’s hands, and grabbed it before it fell to the ground.

Walker said he had a teammate at Milton (Fla.) High School who did that several times. &quot;

I saw the play.  While it wasn&#039;t a kneel down play, what Walker did is what the Bucs were trying to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you saying it&#8217;s impossible to cause a fumble on a kneel down, read this.  From Green Bay Press Gazette, Dec. 2002.</p>
<p>&#8220;On the next play, Walker decided to try the near impossible — anticipate quarterback Jim Miller’s cadence and steal the snap. It worked.</p>
<p>Walker submarined Bears center Olin Kreutz, hit the ball before it got to Miller’s hands, and grabbed it before it fell to the ground.</p>
<p>Walker said he had a teammate at Milton (Fla.) High School who did that several times. &#8221;</p>
<p>I saw the play.  While it wasn&#8217;t a kneel down play, what Walker did is what the Bucs were trying to do.</p>
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		<title>By: thatchrisguy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thatchrisguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 03:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This isn&#039;t Pop Warner, it&#039;s professional football. Play the game to the end. Run up the score. These guys are being paid to win. If it&#039;s not against the rules then go for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t Pop Warner, it&#8217;s professional football. Play the game to the end. Run up the score. These guys are being paid to win. If it&#8217;s not against the rules then go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: tpabucfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tpabucfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 03:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcellus Wiley Who is an analyst for ESPN stated it best. Saying that when a offense at the end of a game is trying to do a hook and ladder play or a hail mary or some other kind of trick play they are exhausting all options within rules to win a game.  This play should be looked at no differently.  With time left on the clock, you should act accordingly]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcellus Wiley Who is an analyst for ESPN stated it best. Saying that when a offense at the end of a game is trying to do a hook and ladder play or a hail mary or some other kind of trick play they are exhausting all options within rules to win a game.  This play should be looked at no differently.  With time left on the clock, you should act accordingly</p>
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		<title>By: mrknowitallmtl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrknowitallmtl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it would of cost the giants the game. He would have been a football GOD till next Sunday. At least he tried n didn&#039;t call it quits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it would of cost the giants the game. He would have been a football GOD till next Sunday. At least he tried n didn&#8217;t call it quits.</p>
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		<title>By: nomoreseasontix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nomoreseasontix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It kind of looked like the problem was bring handled. Old school. 
But, that&#039;s not politically correct. 
Can&#039;t have violence during a football game. Good lord....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It kind of looked like the problem was bring handled. Old school.<br />
But, that&#8217;s not politically correct.<br />
Can&#8217;t have violence during a football game. Good lord&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: replica33981</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[replica33981]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This should not be hard to comprehend. The Bucs tried to cause a fumble BEFORE Eli took a knee. It was a good play. If it worked it would have been a brilliant play. Now the Giants players who attacked the Bucs after the play? They deserve to be punished. It&#039;s not a Jersey  style free for all is it? Strange I didn&#039;t hear the Buccaneer men whine &amp; cry about being attacked after the play..just the New Jersey Giant boys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should not be hard to comprehend. The Bucs tried to cause a fumble BEFORE Eli took a knee. It was a good play. If it worked it would have been a brilliant play. Now the Giants players who attacked the Bucs after the play? They deserve to be punished. It&#8217;s not a Jersey  style free for all is it? Strange I didn&#8217;t hear the Buccaneer men whine &amp; cry about being attacked after the play..just the New Jersey Giant boys.</p>
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		<title>By: goldrush36</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[goldrush36]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@bearflagfan..... you are right in theory. Provided they don&#039;t botch the snap and that wouldn&#039;t be the first time. Especially if Eli seen a swarm suddenly coming and panicked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bearflagfan&#8230;.. you are right in theory. Provided they don&#8217;t botch the snap and that wouldn&#8217;t be the first time. Especially if Eli seen a swarm suddenly coming and panicked.</p>
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		<title>By: thelastpieceofcheese</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thelastpieceofcheese]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If anybody should be fine it should be the Bucs for their cheap shots at the end of the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anybody should be fine it should be the Bucs for their cheap shots at the end of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3. going hard is one thing, going at the knees is another. does it open pandora’s box, bottom line yes the bucs can go hard but not dirty.
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Watch the video instead of taking the Giants&#039; O-Lineman gripes to heart.  Not one defender hit below chest level.  Anyone else see that dude hammer fisting G. McCoy in the back of the head like a six year old?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3. going hard is one thing, going at the knees is another. does it open pandora’s box, bottom line yes the bucs can go hard but not dirty.<br />
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Watch the video instead of taking the Giants&#8217; O-Lineman gripes to heart.  Not one defender hit below chest level.  Anyone else see that dude hammer fisting G. McCoy in the back of the head like a six year old?</p>
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		<title>By: justintuckrule</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justintuckrule]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People don&#039;t get that there is a difference between playing til the gun and playing dirty.  There are plenty of &quot;legal&quot; plays that teams don&#039;t make simply because doing so is dirt.  (Off the top of my head, any player can take out another team&#039;s kicker on a kickoff in the name of &quot;play to the whistle&quot;.)

Schiano&#039;s motive was not to instill a new attitude into his team.  Instead, his sole motive was to cheaply steal a win on a one in a billion play at the risk of a bunch of unsuspecting players&#039; livelihoods.  If he manned up and admitted his motive, then I&#039;d say fine.  But to call that bush league move in the name of &quot;playing to the gun&quot; is Schiano just being a dirty weasel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People don&#8217;t get that there is a difference between playing til the gun and playing dirty.  There are plenty of &#8220;legal&#8221; plays that teams don&#8217;t make simply because doing so is dirt.  (Off the top of my head, any player can take out another team&#8217;s kicker on a kickoff in the name of &#8220;play to the whistle&#8221;.)</p>
<p>Schiano&#8217;s motive was not to instill a new attitude into his team.  Instead, his sole motive was to cheaply steal a win on a one in a billion play at the risk of a bunch of unsuspecting players&#8217; livelihoods.  If he manned up and admitted his motive, then I&#8217;d say fine.  But to call that bush league move in the name of &#8220;playing to the gun&#8221; is Schiano just being a dirty weasel.</p>
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		<title>By: mackie66</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mackie66]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You play till the last whistle.  I&#039;m not a Bucs fan but I found nothing wrong with their play.  How dare the Bucs treat the SB champs like that ?? I&#039;m surprised Eli didn&#039;t whine for Daddy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You play till the last whistle.  I&#8217;m not a Bucs fan but I found nothing wrong with their play.  How dare the Bucs treat the SB champs like that ?? I&#8217;m surprised Eli didn&#8217;t whine for Daddy.</p>
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		<title>By: gobigblue310</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gobigblue310]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AWESOME! This makes me feel better about the whole thing. Only thing better would have been if some bucs had been seriously injured during the play. Was a gutless cheap play by a gutless cheap team with a gutless cheap coach. Very proud of Baas and Boothe. Enjoy your time schiano, you might get to come back next year but after that you&#039;ll be searching for a college gig, you chump.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWESOME! This makes me feel better about the whole thing. Only thing better would have been if some bucs had been seriously injured during the play. Was a gutless cheap play by a gutless cheap team with a gutless cheap coach. Very proud of Baas and Boothe. Enjoy your time schiano, you might get to come back next year but after that you&#8217;ll be searching for a college gig, you chump.</p>
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		<title>By: thewizardofbs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thewizardofbs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has everyone forgotten about the fake spike Dan Marino used to throw a pass when everyone thought he was stopping the clock? He beat the jets with that play because the jets did not play 100% to the end.

Also, they were dumb enough to fall for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has everyone forgotten about the fake spike Dan Marino used to throw a pass when everyone thought he was stopping the clock? He beat the jets with that play because the jets did not play 100% to the end.</p>
<p>Also, they were dumb enough to fall for it.</p>
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		<title>By: cooklynn17</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cooklynn17]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[medtxpack says: Sep 19, 2012 4:05 PM

Giants players, their coach and mostly their fans all are crybabys. Except Eli, but thats more of a ‘I dont really know whats going on’ type of thing.
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Here&#039;s what&#039;s going on, Eli Manning just raised another Vince Lombardi trophy above his head for the second time in five years, that&#039;s what&#039;s going on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>medtxpack says: Sep 19, 2012 4:05 PM</p>
<p>Giants players, their coach and mostly their fans all are crybabys. Except Eli, but thats more of a ‘I dont really know whats going on’ type of thing.<br />
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Here&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on, Eli Manning just raised another Vince Lombardi trophy above his head for the second time in five years, that&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on.</p>
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		<title>By: bullcharger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bullcharger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[worldchampsbaby says:Sep 19, 2012 5:07 PM 
 
The Giants were ill-prepared to deal with a ridiculous attack at their knees.If someone went after your knees ,unless you are a wimp, you would retaliate.

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If they really went at their knees then there should be penalties and or post game fines, just like any other illegal hits that occur in the game.  Otherwise it it ws just another football play and the Giants should have been ready.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>worldchampsbaby says:Sep 19, 2012 5:07 PM </p>
<p>The Giants were ill-prepared to deal with a ridiculous attack at their knees.If someone went after your knees ,unless you are a wimp, you would retaliate.</p>
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<p>If they really went at their knees then there should be penalties and or post game fines, just like any other illegal hits that occur in the game.  Otherwise it it ws just another football play and the Giants should have been ready.</p>
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		<title>By: bearflagfan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bearflagfan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesn&#039;t PFT or anyone else actually READ the NFL Rules? They are online (well, the 2011 version, but that&#039;s good enough.)

Under Rule 7-2-1c, when a quarterback immediately drops to his knee (or simulates dropping to his knee) behind the line of scrimmage, the ball is dead. 

Shooting the gap to grab a QBs ankle to trip him up won&#039;t matter (as it would in college) because the ball would be dead the moment his knee hit, whether he holds onto the ball or not.

The comparison with Herm Edwards&#039; Miracle at the Meadowlands run is Edwards picked up a fumbled handoff. In the Giants-Bucs game there never would have been a TD because the ball would be dead, period, whether it was called by the on field refs (who likely don&#039;t know the rule) or by the replay officials, who do know the rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t PFT or anyone else actually READ the NFL Rules? They are online (well, the 2011 version, but that&#8217;s good enough.)</p>
<p>Under Rule 7-2-1c, when a quarterback immediately drops to his knee (or simulates dropping to his knee) behind the line of scrimmage, the ball is dead. </p>
<p>Shooting the gap to grab a QBs ankle to trip him up won&#8217;t matter (as it would in college) because the ball would be dead the moment his knee hit, whether he holds onto the ball or not.</p>
<p>The comparison with Herm Edwards&#8217; Miracle at the Meadowlands run is Edwards picked up a fumbled handoff. In the Giants-Bucs game there never would have been a TD because the ball would be dead, period, whether it was called by the on field refs (who likely don&#8217;t know the rule) or by the replay officials, who do know the rules.</p>
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		<title>By: bullcharger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bullcharger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This issue should be dead.  Just go by the rules of the game.  Coaches can get all whiny about unwritten rules, but that&#039;s just a waste of time.  As you hear every year in the preseason... there&#039;s only one speed to play at and if you don&#039;t someone can get hurt.  That&#039;s full speed.  Play to the whistle and it solves the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This issue should be dead.  Just go by the rules of the game.  Coaches can get all whiny about unwritten rules, but that&#8217;s just a waste of time.  As you hear every year in the preseason&#8230; there&#8217;s only one speed to play at and if you don&#8217;t someone can get hurt.  That&#8217;s full speed.  Play to the whistle and it solves the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: kev86</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[geniusfan says: 
Sep 19, 2012 4:58 PM 
The Giants think they are NFL royalty, arrogance and elitist attitudes runs through that team more than the ugly shade of blue they wear


Wrong. The Giants know they are NFL royalty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geniusfan says:<br />
Sep 19, 2012 4:58 PM<br />
The Giants think they are NFL royalty, arrogance and elitist attitudes runs through that team more than the ugly shade of blue they wear</p>
<p>Wrong. The Giants know they are NFL royalty.</p>
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		<title>By: magicbucs</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Going hard on the half time play wouldn&#039;t of benefited the bucs at that time.  They just had a pick 6.  Then they allowed the giants to score that last TD because time would of run out on them if the kept giants from scoring,  It&#039;s called STRATEGY.  There was nothing dirty the bucs did.  ITS FOOTBALL. Just because the giants wanted to end the game on a kneel down. The bucs wanted to cause a fumble on the snap.  

Phillip rivers fumbled the snap on a kneel down against the chiefs last year. 

Rutgers caused 2 kneel down fumbles in 2010 under schiano.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going hard on the half time play wouldn&#8217;t of benefited the bucs at that time.  They just had a pick 6.  Then they allowed the giants to score that last TD because time would of run out on them if the kept giants from scoring,  It&#8217;s called STRATEGY.  There was nothing dirty the bucs did.  ITS FOOTBALL. Just because the giants wanted to end the game on a kneel down. The bucs wanted to cause a fumble on the snap.  </p>
<p>Phillip rivers fumbled the snap on a kneel down against the chiefs last year. </p>
<p>Rutgers caused 2 kneel down fumbles in 2010 under schiano.</p>
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		<title>By: pb420</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are they really injured or is this another group injury-faking exercise that NY is known for? Hey PFT, is this comment gonna make it through? Keeping it classy as always right giants fans?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they really injured or is this another group injury-faking exercise that NY is known for? Hey PFT, is this comment gonna make it through? Keeping it classy as always right giants fans?</p>
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		<title>By: bigbluefan1</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[geniusfan says:Sep 19, 2012 4:58 PM 

The Giants think they are NFL royalty, arrogance and elitist attitudes runs through that team more than the ugly shade of blue they wear.
 
They whine about “unwritten” rules (putting a player on waivers means it’s fair game Giants) and dirty play, the Bucs should have played to win they had a chance to make a play at the end. I’m glad Schiano did what he did and I’m guessing a lot of people around the NFL are too.

__________________________________
First off if your a genius you should never have to guess so I guess that says much about you.

Secondly Giant fans know there team is NFL Royality two SB in 5 years the founders name on every football used every game.

I would also bet the if not for Wellington Mara your team would not exisit as he was the one who help get the tv split up giving every team the same amount.
Which was very nice of him as the Giants had the best TV deal of any and all teams at the time and they still would today as they play in the biggest market with the most money]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geniusfan says:Sep 19, 2012 4:58 PM </p>
<p>The Giants think they are NFL royalty, arrogance and elitist attitudes runs through that team more than the ugly shade of blue they wear.</p>
<p>They whine about “unwritten” rules (putting a player on waivers means it’s fair game Giants) and dirty play, the Bucs should have played to win they had a chance to make a play at the end. I’m glad Schiano did what he did and I’m guessing a lot of people around the NFL are too.</p>
<p>__________________________________<br />
First off if your a genius you should never have to guess so I guess that says much about you.</p>
<p>Secondly Giant fans know there team is NFL Royality two SB in 5 years the founders name on every football used every game.</p>
<p>I would also bet the if not for Wellington Mara your team would not exisit as he was the one who help get the tv split up giving every team the same amount.<br />
Which was very nice of him as the Giants had the best TV deal of any and all teams at the time and they still would today as they play in the biggest market with the most money</p>
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		<title>By: kev86</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Worth the fines. Mara should pick up the tab.  Glad the G-Men smacked those cheap shot artists around a little. Worth it.

Go back to sunny Tampa lightweights and take the 600 yards we put up against you with ya.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worth the fines. Mara should pick up the tab.  Glad the G-Men smacked those cheap shot artists around a little. Worth it.</p>
<p>Go back to sunny Tampa lightweights and take the 600 yards we put up against you with ya.</p>
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		<title>By: discohang</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t teams complain about the Patriots a few years back when the Pats were &quot;running up&quot; the score.  Saying that the Pats should just take a knee and finish the game rather than try to score more points.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t teams complain about the Patriots a few years back when the Pats were &#8220;running up&#8221; the score.  Saying that the Pats should just take a knee and finish the game rather than try to score more points.</p>
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		<title>By: mazblast</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goodell is a lifelong Giants fan, doesn&#039;t hide that fact.  No fines.  Nor do I think they&#039;re deserved, although that doesn&#039;t usually stop Goodell.

The Giants may think they&#039;re entitled to special privileges because of who they are and what they won last year, but that&#039;s not how the football world works.  Whether you wear a &quot;NY&quot;, a star, a horseshoe, an arrowhead, orange-and-black stripes, lightning bolts, an aquatic mammal, or whatever, no one has to give you anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodell is a lifelong Giants fan, doesn&#8217;t hide that fact.  No fines.  Nor do I think they&#8217;re deserved, although that doesn&#8217;t usually stop Goodell.</p>
<p>The Giants may think they&#8217;re entitled to special privileges because of who they are and what they won last year, but that&#8217;s not how the football world works.  Whether you wear a &#8220;NY&#8221;, a star, a horseshoe, an arrowhead, orange-and-black stripes, lightning bolts, an aquatic mammal, or whatever, no one has to give you anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Wright 212</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Wright 212]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The bottom line is the Bucs were salty because their QB threw yet another INT to seal the game, after they blew a lead. That was a move out of frustration, not &quot;trying to win because it&#039;s still a one possession game&quot;. I find it amusing that teams that LOST in Week 2 had just knelt on the ball three times the week before (Dallas, Tampa Bay).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bottom line is the Bucs were salty because their QB threw yet another INT to seal the game, after they blew a lead. That was a move out of frustration, not &#8220;trying to win because it&#8217;s still a one possession game&#8221;. I find it amusing that teams that LOST in Week 2 had just knelt on the ball three times the week before (Dallas, Tampa Bay).</p>
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		<title>By: j0esixpack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[j0esixpack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Taking a knee doesn&#039;t violate any rules either.

And taking a knee, when the game&#039;s outcome is decided - avoiding unnecessary injuries to BOTH teams, strikes me as an appropriate protocol for teams to follow.

Until the Buccaneers decided they wanted to get physical with the game decided, no teams seemed to have a problem with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking a knee doesn&#8217;t violate any rules either.</p>
<p>And taking a knee, when the game&#8217;s outcome is decided &#8211; avoiding unnecessary injuries to BOTH teams, strikes me as an appropriate protocol for teams to follow.</p>
<p>Until the Buccaneers decided they wanted to get physical with the game decided, no teams seemed to have a problem with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Wright 212</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Wright 212]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At any rate, why this has been made from a complete nonstory into a major scandal is beyond me. I didn&#039;t have a problem with what the Bucs did. The players will police themselves if it continues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At any rate, why this has been made from a complete nonstory into a major scandal is beyond me. I didn&#8217;t have a problem with what the Bucs did. The players will police themselves if it continues.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Wright 212</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Wright 212]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the Giants weren&#039;t involved, this wouldn&#039;t even be a discussion. But with the hordes of Giants haters out there, it&#039;s a huge story, led by lead hater, who is now calling for fines with this stupid article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Giants weren&#8217;t involved, this wouldn&#8217;t even be a discussion. But with the hordes of Giants haters out there, it&#8217;s a huge story, led by lead hater, who is now calling for fines with this stupid article.</p>
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