Comments on: NFL fines Golden Tate $21,000 for block on Sean Lee

By: cow395

cow395 — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:42:11 +0000

too many rules, it was a clean hit, Rodger is a wuss

By: jtylert

jtylert — Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:05:11 +0000

kevpft says:
Sep 19, 2012 11:27 PM

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Real toughness is standing up man to man and not taking cheap shots. Same goes for tackling – guys these days just want to take the easy way out and launch themselves; it takes much more strength and skill to wrap a guy up and bring him down.

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are you saying Golden should have “wrapped him up” and actually tackled a player that wasn’t carrying the ball? Doesn’t that make it a hold instead of a block?

it was a solid hit and it’s a part of football. the helmets collided, but all you can really say is “it is what it is” and take the fine.

the defenseless player/cheap shot talk is crap. lee wasn’t looking where he was running and ran into a 5’10″ brick wall. you can’t have a blind spot in front of you.

By: esarsea

esarsea — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:17:41 +0000

It was a great, tough-nosed hit. There was no intent to hit Lee’s head…if you watch the video one can CLEARLY see Tate deliberately drop down lower in an attempt to make contact with the Lee’s chest, but the momentum did cause the helmet to slide up after contact. I suspect if Tate had not celebrated so much afterwards, doing the crab-walk and pointing to his name on the back of his jersey, his fine would likely have been considerably less. Without regard to all this however, I love the brand of football Seattle is playing now!

By: wopgenius

wopgenius — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 12:44:48 +0000

Next time just go low for the side of the knee. Same effectivness. No flag or fine. Plus you won’t have to worry about him playing defense for the rest of the year.

By: pencilmonkeymagic

pencilmonkeymagic — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:11:22 +0000

Lee got lit up on national tv by a smurf. Cowboy pride must be avenged!

By: pop562

pop562 — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 04:45:02 +0000

Tate will be injured soon for that hit.

By: belgaron

belgaron — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 04:36:45 +0000

Golden did his job.

Defenders running full speed should be ready to be met in the direction they are running. This was not from any other direction.

Defenders should be ready for a shoulderpad to the chest. That is textbook and it was what Golden did.

Lee crumpled because he lost himself in time and space and didn’t mentally track where he was and who was around him before he turned to chase the QB full speed.

After he crumpled his drooped head/through dropped to where the pic that has been floated around looks like that’s where Golden aimed. The picture is completely misleading and out of context to what happened in the game.

Golden should aim to do that every time. Most of the time players will be ready for it. Occasionally you’ll get some poorly coached, poorly skilled player who won’t be in the league long who looks one way and runs another.

Owners should not be dictating to the office who gets fined. Jerry Jones and his organization need to be put in their place.

By: bluebongzilla

bluebongzilla — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 04:05:42 +0000

Mr. Wright, you’re still talking smack?

24-17. In NJ. On National TV. And a miracle away from being 0-2. Welcome to last place as the Giants own no tiebreakers.

By: kevpft

kevpft — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 03:27:33 +0000

It was a cowardly move. It was a sucker punch.

You guys thinking Tate’s hit is the real spirit of the game make me sick.

It was a cheap shot, one that he had the nerve to prance around about afterward.

Any coward can throw a sucker punch. The guy has no class at all.

Those of you celebrating these kinds of hits aren’t defending “real” football. Your defending dumb, unskilled football played by weak cowards.

By: nflofficeadmin

nflofficeadmin — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:47:05 +0000

The worst part was the post launch gesticulation and ejaculation on Lee’s chest. Sean Lee deserves better.

By: edavidberg

edavidberg — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:29:40 +0000

For the record I hated Ward’s hit at the time and I don’t like Tate’s either. Tate to his credit did not end up injuring Lee, unlike Ward breaking the guy’s jaw.

I really don’t respect Ward or Harrison on the Steelers. Those guys think those kinds of helmet to helmet hits are part of the game and that’s awful. I hope someone lays it on them.

By: ronaldmexico7

ronaldmexico7 — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:27:50 +0000

Punk hit for a no class punk team. We will see who is where in 5 years. Lee is a class act, and is on his way to an all-pro career. Tate is a Golden turd of a 2nd round bust with 609 yards receiving in three years and a weak 56 catches. Enjoy your fifteen minutes of fame scrub. At least when Hines Ward made his cheap shots, he didn’t clown like you did. Act like you been some place before.

By: edavidberg

edavidberg — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:26:06 +0000

You guys, they changed the rule. These hits are unnecessary. You don’t need to concuss or maim a guy who isn’t looking to give an effective block. Even if the player isnt keeping his head on a swivel.

Those hits used to be exciting but like Lee said, the test of manhood is sizing up a guy who is looking. It isn’t launching your head into someone’s chest when they aren’t looking and don’t have the ball.

By: eyeh8goodell

eyeh8goodell — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:11:05 +0000

@koenig

What makes you think the people supporting Tate’s hit are Seahawks fans? I support that hit 100% and I’m the farthest thing from a Seahawks fan. And the Ward shot on Rivers was totally clean. The only reason his jaw got broke is because his head snapped forward toward the point of contact……where the crown of Ward’s helmet was planted on his upper chest. Be glad I can’t post still images on this thread. The film isn’t on your side on that one.

And as has been stated…….even Lee said the point of contact was his chest. You’re wrong.

By: ketch20too

ketch20too — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 01:49:53 +0000

Loved watching Lee get lit up, but Tate definitely speared him in the middle of the chest. From a Hawk fan

By: gintfan

gintfan — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 01:37:59 +0000

@koenig61 take a look at the hit Hines put on Keith Rivers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPbraVljIrc. Now take a look at the hit Golden Tate put on Sean Lee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgxc0gdlPF4. There is a reason why Keith Rivers jaw was broken and Sean Lee’s was not.

By: koenig61

koenig61 — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 01:00:06 +0000

It’s always amusing how certain fans feel one way about something when it’s their team. I would wager a great deal of people who think this was a legal hit would say the exact opposite if it were 2 years ago when Hines ward put the exact same hit on Keith Rivers of the Bengals. Fans used to say Hines Ward was a cheap shot artist because he would crackback defenders defensive player ashamed to be hit that hard by a offensive player, and a small one at that. And now so many fans are saying “Wow what a great hit by Tate”. It’s the exact same hit. It all comes down to who the player is and not the hit. People hated Hines so his hit was cheap. The NFL created the crack back rule because of the hit Hines put on Rivers. All I’m saying is try to be objective. I agree with all the posters who say that it was a awesome hit. I loved it but i was shocked it wasnt flagged because i remembered the new rule. You may hate the rule (as do i) , but just as players have to adjust, we as fans have to adjust and not get bent out of shape when players break the new rules Goodell has changed the game I grew up with, and now says that this type of hit is illegal.

By: belgaron

belgaron — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:59:08 +0000

Where’s Jerry’s fine for successfully influencing league discipline?

By: bringbacktheflex

bringbacktheflex — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:31:33 +0000

“Right or wrong, the play was called, had zero effect on the outcome of the game.”

It could have. If called, it would have offset the tap on the shoulder that got called on the Dallas DB for touching the runner out of bounds. Game was still in reach.

By: bringbacktheflex

bringbacktheflex — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:30:03 +0000

I honestly don’t know what play some of you are watching. Tate clearly launched himself, and clearly struck the player in the chin/head with the top of his helmet – no matter what area he was targeting. Asking Lee to remember where the strike occured is ridiculous.

I wonder how many who are claiming there should be no fine for this were whining over the Bucs trying for a fumble on the last play of the game against the Giants.

By: dukeearl

dukeearl — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:21:23 +0000

Hire replacement refs, when they make a good call, throw them under the bus because jerry jones whines…
If you are going to hire them, back them up. If you feel that they made an incorrect call, retrain/penalize the referee, don’t try to revise the game after the fact.
Right or wrong, the play was called, had zero effect on the outcome of the game.

By: randallflagg52

randallflagg52 — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:13:30 +0000

Hopefully Tate wins his appeal. It’s sad he even needs to appeal the block, that was clean as can be. People just need to put their big boy pants on and realize that tough football is not dirty football.

By: kaferwerks

kaferwerks — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:12:40 +0000

@giahead33

i respectfully disagree

per the rules:
Rule 12, Section 2, Article 8:

(i) if a player illegally launches into a defenseless opponent. It is an illegal launch if a playyer (1) leaves both feet prior to contact to spring forward and upward into his opponent, and (2) uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) to initiate forcible contact against any part of his opponent’s body.

the rule does not mention his feet have to completely leave the turf. Tate was on the tips of his toes, launched his body, lead with the helmet and made contact to the neck/chin area (evident by Lees chinstrap sliding up his face.) the replay matches this definition.

By: goodolebaghead

goodolebaghead — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:08:37 +0000

It looked like he intended to ‘injure’ Tate…must have a bounty on him or something.

By: belgaron

belgaron — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:07:14 +0000

If Tate could read Lee’s head in the microseconds after he turned but before he blocked and actually avoided contact, he would not have been doing his job. Instead he turned and immediately threw a block which was exactly his job. If you watch the whole sequence and don’t just judge by the single pic of Lee’s body crumpling, he led with his shoulder not his helmet. It was completely legal and what was expected of him in that situation.

Jerry Jones previous outburst clearly affected the front office decision to fine and they appeased his infantile behavior. Bravo for making Jerry happy along with Jerry’s kids.

By: dirtysouthironmen

dirtysouthironmen — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:06:42 +0000

I need to buy stock in the Sports Authority and Dicks Sporting Goods. So when the NFL cuts the deal to buy the flags the players will be wearing, I can bring in some heavy coin.

By: lawlok

lawlok — Thu, 20 Sep 2012 00:06:21 +0000

Sean Lee even said it was a hit to his chest, not chin.

From another site’s article:

“In the Cowboys’ locker room, Lee, who would return to the field, confirmed that the hit was to his chest, not his chin.”

By: giablommi

giablommi — Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:58:48 +0000

Enjoy what remains of the game of football while it lasts. In another 10-15 years even today’s (deteriorating) state of the game will be unrecognizable. It sure ain’t what it used to be.

By: lawlok

lawlok — Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:57:59 +0000

Tate clearly went for the chest, didn’t launch himself, and the momentum of Lee getting completely demolished by a 5’10″ WR sent his head into Tate’s.

By: bringbacktheflex

bringbacktheflex — Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:48:27 +0000

I’d venture to guess that the vast number of guys on here wanting more violence and questioning the rules trying to protect players and calling guys who are blindsided wusses or worse – HAVE NEVER PLAYED THE GAME above pee wee league.

Back when you played the game at 60 pounds in peewee league you couldn’t generate enough force to even knock the wind out of anyone. Back in the 60′s and 70′s Jim Marshall played DE at 235 lbs. Now that’s a normal safety or WR now, with far more speed. And most of these guys have near world class speed. The strength of human joints and soft tissue do not increase linearly with size. It takes about the same amount of force to concuss a 6’4″ 250 LB as it does to concuss a 6′ 0″ 195 LB from 40 years ago. Except now these guys are generating far more force with their weight and speed. Without the rules changing for safety sake someone could get killed very easily.