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Report: League, officials met most of day, but substantial differences remain

Officials huddle during the first half of their NFL football game between the Arizona Cardinals and the Philadelphia Eagles in Phoenix Reuters

As yet another dubious day of football officiating unfolded, the NFL spent time with the locked-out officials in the hopes of working out a new labor deal.

Peter King of Sports Illustrated and NBC reports that the parties spent most of the day meeting in New York with a federal mediator.

Talks broke off without a deal, substantial differences remain on multiple issues, and no further talks are scheduled.

Earlier today, NBC officiating consultant Jim Daopoulos learned that last week’s talks went better than reported.

Still, until a deal is done there’s no deal, and the NFL apparently is willing to continue to dig in until the locked-out officials cry “Uncle!” like Ralphie in A Christmas Story.

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46 Responses to “Report: League, officials met most of day, but substantial differences remain”
  1. n001363 says: Sep 23, 2012 10:17 PM

    Meet in the middle and get back to work!

  2. fudg3 says: Sep 23, 2012 10:18 PM

    Great… The NFL needs to pull there head out of there rear ends and realize these guys can’t handle this. Give the real refs what they want and let’s move on

  3. jdoberman says: Sep 23, 2012 10:21 PM

    Somebody is going to get seriously hurt if this thing isn’t resolved soon. The “Replacements” are letting way to many head to head contact hits go without getting called.

    Come on Guys find common ground and end this before the league we all know and love becomes damaged goods.

  4. melikefootball says: Sep 23, 2012 10:22 PM

    Let them sit, proved on FOX today there is very little difference in time or calls by replacement officials. The big thing going against the replacement refs is all the media and play by play announcer continue yo use words replacement officials or throw jokes in this direction with no respect for job they are trying to do. You never hear the words REGULAR in front of officials any other time.

  5. abninf says: Sep 23, 2012 10:23 PM

    They say they believe the replacements are poor and effect player safety. That’s the main argument they keep using to win the PR war. Yet the union wants to prevent poor regular refs from getting fired. So they would be hypocrites.

  6. frank booth says: Sep 23, 2012 10:23 PM

    It’s too bad- the NFL really needs the regular refs back at work. Today was awful- the ref giving two challenges to the 49ers when there were no time outs, a ref wandering in between the Rams center and Bradford while the Bears were trying to call a time out (Bradford couldn’t get a snap off while the Bears were out of position), and some horrible refereeing and indecision during the first half of the Ravens/Pats game.

    These refs are a joke. You have the best football players in the world being overseen by a bunch of amateurs.

  7. ghjjf says: Sep 23, 2012 10:23 PM

    The games are more exciting with the replacement refs, even if a deal gets done it shouldn’t take effect until next season.

  8. greg2geez says: Sep 23, 2012 10:25 PM

    The CURRENT officials outperform the FORMER officials every week despite the unrelenting concerted media panic hack job, forcing the FORMER officials to continue to negotiate with NO LEVERAGE.

  9. driveroftheshortbus says: Sep 23, 2012 10:26 PM

    This has gone on too long. These games are out of control. I saw several replaceohrees physically pushed around.

    Going to be a tough weekend when the regulars come back, there will be a lot of ejections.

    The replacement refs look like they haven’t been given the authority to control the field. They’ve been told to just get through the game as best you can with as little disruption as possible.

  10. Mr. Wright 212 says: Sep 23, 2012 10:27 PM

    The refs need to compromise a bit, from what I’ve read. But the owners need to also.

  11. thereisalwaysnextyear says: Sep 23, 2012 10:27 PM

    Get her freakin’ done. DB’s are abusing the system. Heck everyone is. It’s absurd and games ARE being impacted. It may not be the last play of the game, or a stunning last drive call, but it all adds up and it’s impacting outcomes one missed call at a time….

  12. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: Sep 23, 2012 10:31 PM

    AWESOME how people are willing to live with subpar officiating so long as it puts a few extra dollars in the pockets of the billionaire owners.

  13. goldrush36 says: Sep 23, 2012 10:36 PM

    After all the debacles the past 2 weeks, they need to meet in the middle. The refs demands are beyond ridiculous but so is the league assertion that these clowns are just as good. If we were using division 1 refs I would be ok with it, but some of these guys shouldn’t even be allowed near pop warner games

  14. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: Sep 23, 2012 10:46 PM

    goldrush36 says: The refs demands are beyond ridiculous

    What aspect of the refs “demands” do you find ridiculous?

    I mean really, right now the scabs are just throwing flags at random.

  15. driveroftheshortbus says: Sep 23, 2012 10:48 PM

    You want to get mad about this?

    Wait until Congress starts talking about holding hearings about it in the next couple of weeks.

  16. raider2124 says: Sep 23, 2012 10:54 PM

    Replacement refs or regular refs. There both bad. I heard some of the Kane arguments of helmet to helmet hot not getting called. Big deal. Most of the time the regular refs called it and it wasn’t even helmet to helmet. Trust me if it wasn’t brought up every five minutes by the announcers, nobody would even know they were replacement refs. The regular refs call to many ticky tack touched on pass interference calls. These guys seem to let them play a little more. I would keep the current refs, they get better each week. And tell the union to stick it and the old refs you no longer are employed. These unions are out of control with demands. Make a statement NFL snd stand up to these unions and the rest of the country will follow

  17. bleedgreen says: Sep 23, 2012 10:54 PM

    butthatmakestoomuchsense says:
    Sep 23, 2012 10:46 PM

    What aspect of the refs “demands” do you find ridiculous?

    I mean really, right now the scabs are just throwing flags at random.
    _______________________

    The fact that they refuse to be held accountable for their performance. There should be no job in this country that you can’t get fired, demoted, or otherwise held to a certain standard. If you don’t meet that standard, you lose your job. Just like every other job.

  18. butthatmakestoomuchsense says: Sep 23, 2012 11:02 PM

    bleedgreen says: The fact that they refuse to be held accountable for their performance.

    I’ve been following the lockout and this is the first I’ve heard of this. Having a say in evaluation / corrective action does not equate to no accountability.

    IN FACT, if that were the ref’s stance this would be considered a strike, not a lockout.

  19. frank booth says: Sep 23, 2012 11:02 PM

    greg2geez says:
    Sep 23, 2012 10:25 PM
    The CURRENT officials outperform the FORMER officials every week despite the unrelenting concerted media panic hack job, forcing the FORMER officials to continue to negotiate with NO LEVERAGE.
    ====================================
    Do you own a TV? You should catch an NFL game here and there and see what’s going on.

  20. kremis says: Sep 23, 2012 11:07 PM

    Obviously the refs are paid enough already or these replacement refs would not be working- ever hear of supply and demand? To those who say just pay them – obviously you never owned a business and never will (at least a successful one) with that kind of thinking! The current refs are paid enough already and probably overpaid if truth be known

  21. lippy4246 says: Sep 23, 2012 11:10 PM

    So what will it take to get it done? Maybe if DHB had died on the field today or was paralyzed from that hellatious hit that wasn’t called as a personal foul a message would be sent to the NFL and NFLRA. Apparently the Steelers have no regard for the authority of the replacement officials or the safety of the opposing player. Time to get the regular referees on the job and order restored on the playing field.

  22. bornsteel62 says: Sep 23, 2012 11:17 PM

    Botched calls in numerous games too numerous to detail here. Like it or not the replacements ARE affecting the outcome of games one call at a time…
    Roger Goodell- THIS IS YOUR LEGACY

  23. musicman495 says: Sep 23, 2012 11:25 PM

    melikefootball says: Sep 23, 2012 10:22 PM

    Let them sit, proved on FOX today there is very little difference in time or calls by replacement officials.
    ——————-
    Right. No one is more objective about the process of union busting than Rupert Murdoch and the worldwide minions of his media empire – including Fox Sports.

  24. maxl49 says: Sep 23, 2012 11:28 PM

    Pay the men !

  25. frank booth says: Sep 23, 2012 11:41 PM

    For anyone who doubts how poorly these replacement officials are, get a tape of the Ravens/Pats game tonight and watch it. One of the most poorly officiated games I’ve seen. I don’t have a dog in this one, but this is a travesty.

  26. scytherius says: Sep 23, 2012 11:41 PM

    Billionaires who never played the game have JUST about killed the great NFL. Didn’t think I’d be alive to see it. All for a few million dollars.

  27. bornsteel62 says: Sep 23, 2012 11:43 PM

    Hey Roger, if you listen REALLY CLOSE you can hear the fans chanting your name in BALTIMORE….

  28. billsboy88 says: Sep 23, 2012 11:44 PM

    The refs are making a noticable difference in the final quarter of Sunday Night Football.

    Lets just get this deal done so we can stop talking/thinking about it.

  29. comeonnowguys says: Sep 23, 2012 11:50 PM

    It’s already a joke.

    You have a guy in the booth having to radio down to correct officials.

    You have plays being reviewed without an official ruling against which to be measured.

    You have pass interference, illegal contact and defensive holding being called and not called with the consistency of balls and strikes in major league baseball.

    I wonder how long until the powers-that-be in Vegas start exerting some influence.

  30. onebucplace says: Sep 23, 2012 11:50 PM

    Keep these union slobs locked out. The media is acting like the refs actually get every single call correct as long as they’re part of a union. Hire some full time refs, just tell them to take their union and shove it. Here’s the great part about non-union refs, you can actually FIRE the ones that suck. Regardless it’s hilarious for people to act like regular refs aren’t complete idiots as well, why pay more for terrible service? Also I flat out like how these refs aren’t calling every single ticky tack penalty, just speed up your calls and I’d keep these morons over the locked out morons.

  31. mspeechez says: Sep 24, 2012 12:07 AM

    I just watched the worst weekend of football.
    The replacement refs cannot refee themselves out of a bag. Many Helmet to helmets arent beng called. There were two game where players ended up dazed or in the hospital without a flag.
    Pay the real refs the FANs are tired of seeing this crap on TV. I am glad I am not a season ticket holder. They are getting the raw end of the deal.
    These refs are not protecting our players. NEGOCIATE with the real refs. The owner must apply pressure to the league to get them back.
    The integrity of the season is in jepordy.

  32. tigerlilac says: Sep 24, 2012 12:07 AM

    I just watched the Patriots/Ravens game. A great effort by both teams was ruined by poor officiating that hurt both teams. Calls that should have been made were not called. Calls that should not have been made were called. Calls that impacted possession were constantly called. Phantom defensive holding, an automatic first down, kept drives alive.

  33. msclemons67 says: Sep 24, 2012 12:08 AM

    Until people stop watching the games it won’t matter.

    You don’t like replacement refs? Stop watching the games. Stop buying tickets. Stop clicking on sites like PFT. Otherwise the NFL keeps making mountains of money no matter how bad he refs are.

  34. mtygringo says: Sep 24, 2012 12:10 AM

    Keep talking, boys…the Patriots/Ravens game was a national embarrassment!

  35. freethinker13 says: Sep 24, 2012 12:13 AM

    Good lord, Goddell better get the regular refs back fast, Belichik practically attacked a ref after the game. What is the NFL doing, where for the love of God are the owners? This season is getting crazier by the day. I’m giving this season a big “asterick”.

  36. frank booth says: Sep 24, 2012 12:16 AM

    onebucplace says:
    Sep 23, 2012 11:50 PM
    Keep these union slobs locked out. The media is acting like the refs actually get every single call correct as long as they’re part of a union. Hire some full time refs, just tell them to take their union and shove it. Here’s the great part about non-union refs, you can actually FIRE the ones that suck. Regardless it’s hilarious for people to act like regular refs aren’t complete idiots as well, why pay more for terrible service? Also I flat out like how these refs aren’t calling every single ticky tack penalty, just speed up your calls and I’d keep these morons over the locked out morons.
    ===================================
    This is a hilarious post. I’ll bet you don’t even know what the issues are in the lockout, nor do you know what the actual monetary impact to the league is. The package that the refs are looking for is comes to an increase of about 16.5 million per year to the league. The league makes over 1billion in profits in annually, so your talking about 1.5% of the profits.

    You say the regular refs are morons, and the replacement refs are morons as well. More likely, it speaks more to how difficult it is to officiate these games. It’s that, or there are a bunch of really good referees hidden away somewhere.

    These refs don’t call every ticky-tack penalty? There were penalties called on almost every other play in the Pats/Ravens game. I think there were 24 penalties called in that game. These refs miss calls, don’t know the rules (as evidenced by Harbaugh getting 2 challenges today with no time outs), are out of position (standing between the center and the QB in the Bears game today) and have absolutely no respect from the coaches and the players. Teams are pushing the envelope as to what they can get away with and it’s going to get worse, until a game is lost, or worse, someone gets seriously injured.

  37. justcuz15 says: Sep 24, 2012 12:19 AM

    Just watched the ravens pats game,and it was horendous i dont think i hav ever seen a worse officiated game (including super bowl XL) it was just terribble and when you add on the 9ers vikes game, just pay the real refs, they have soooo much money im sure they could spare some for the referees

  38. greg2geez says: Sep 24, 2012 12:19 AM

    frank booth says:Sep 23, 2012 11:02 PM

    greg2geez says:
    Sep 23, 2012 10:25 PM
    The CURRENT officials outperform the FORMER officials every week despite the unrelenting concerted media panic hack job, forcing the FORMER officials to continue to negotiate with NO LEVERAGE.
    ====================================
    Do you own a TV? You should catch an NFL game here and there and see what’s going on.

    Actually I don’t own a TV, I own a computer and I watch any game I want for FREE. And I haven’t seen a “replacement” official cost the Raiders or Chargers a single game. Walt Coleman and Ed Hochuli can’t make that claim, respectively.
    I also appreciate how the current officials disregard the tennis skirt Dungy whine pass defense ticky tack and let football players play. Perhaps real football is too strong for your taste.

  39. ireportyoudecide says: Sep 24, 2012 12:36 AM

    Did the Pittsburgh-Seattle Superbowl have replacement refs? Also it’s not like they are just fighting for money, the Union wants to make sure the bad refs are able to keep their jobs from year to year.

  40. raider2124 says: Sep 24, 2012 12:57 AM

    Hey lippy. If dhb died because of the helmet to helmet hit. How exactly would throwing a flag have saved his life. The player will be fined. End of story

  41. frank booth says: Sep 24, 2012 1:24 AM

    ireportyoudecide says:
    Sep 24, 2012 12:36 AM
    Did the Pittsburgh-Seattle Superbowl have replacement refs? Also it’s not like they are just fighting for money, the Union wants to make sure the bad refs are able to keep their jobs from year to year.
    ====================================
    Sure. We can all find examples of how the regular refs have screwed up over the last twenty years. But after three games, it’s clear that these guys are horrible. And it’s pretty clear that being a referee is a difficult and thankless job.

    They don’t have the benefit of replay, slow motion, and multiple angles. They have to see everything at field level, through and around 300 lb. bodies., and they have one shot. As fans, it’s easy to criticize them, and on these boards, the majority of fans don’t realize how difficult that must be.

    I do agree that there needs to be some type of evaluation system and that the referees need to be more accountable. If players can’t perform, they get released. It should be the same for the refs. I’m not sure how important this negotiation point is to them. The two biggest items are benefits and salary.

    The problem with most unions is that because of seniority and the inability to fire people, they promote a lower common denominator of work. However, since being a referee is such a high profile job where your work is seen by millions, there is a lot of incentive to prepare and do a good job.

  42. glen1904 says: Sep 24, 2012 4:31 AM

    All of it other than the pension is just BS. the owners are willing to put us all through this to take away their pensions. the NFL is not about integrity or winning a Superbowl being priority one or protecting the shield anymore. strong arm and collusion with players in refs is simple 100% GREED driven. thank god for Saturday football, because the Goodell era has pushed me out of giving a sheet about it anymore. Make all the money you want, because it wont be mine!

  43. crazycane says: Sep 24, 2012 7:45 AM

    For a league that made 9 billion in revenue last year, they sure come off cheap.

  44. pappavike says: Sep 24, 2012 7:56 AM

    Both sides need to give a little! And get this done. Can the NFL get by with these replacement ref’s sure! But the regular ref’s are better! The regular ref’s will make mistakes too! but not to the extent these replacement’s do! Coaches are taking to many liberties with these replacement ref’s That’s evident in seeing how they were treated by some of the coaches yesterday!!

  45. pappavike says: Sep 24, 2012 8:10 AM

    I agree with one of the other posters that said there should be an evaluation of all ref’s. The NFL has million dollar players, So have Fulltime ref’s.Let them train and study during the off season just like the players!

  46. raider2124 says: Sep 24, 2012 9:27 AM

    Both sides do not need to give. The NFL compensates extremely well. They work 4 hours a week. The NFL needs to make a statement and fire them all. Unions are part of the reason the country is on the situation it’s in. You can’t fire bad refs and they want to be taken care of for life. Eventually the retirees outnumber the working and creates a collapse

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