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Jets’ targeting of Bush isn’t much different than Bountygate

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The NFL reportedly won’t be taking action in response to Jets linebacker Calvin Pace’s claim that the team wanted to put Dolphins running back Reggie Bush “on out” during Sunday’s game.

The upshot of the remarks is that the Jets wanted, via the use of clean, legal hits, to knock Bush out of the game.

Where have we heard that before?

The motivation the Jets had with respect to Bush is no different than the motivation the Saints had with respect to Brett Favre or Kurt Warner or anyone/everyone else.  The only difference is that a little extra money was offered to Saints players who successfully put players “on out.”

While we realize that the exchange of money can make a motivation that otherwise is legal illegal, what the Saints did seems far less sinister — and far less worthy of stiff punishments — when considering the reality that the Jets had the very same goal.

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41 Responses to “Jets’ targeting of Bush isn’t much different than Bountygate”
  1. drewsylvania says: Sep 24, 2012 6:13 PM

    You’re just learning this now? This is the NFL. It’s what teams do.

    Might want to stop watching if that’s a problem to you.

  2. orangeclipper says: Sep 24, 2012 6:16 PM

    Get real. Teams have always marked guys they’d like to blast. Nothing new here but the twinkies are trying to “chickafy” football.
    Now, now. Play by the rules and also, no swearing or spitting on the field. Wouldn’t want to spread germs, now would we.

  3. hehateme2 says: Sep 24, 2012 6:20 PM

    The difference being that there was a leak from within that exposed the Saints.

    As for the jets, well… they just shoot off at the mouth to any reporter in sight. That, or threaten to beat them up. Ah, the jets are funny aren’t they?

  4. jetsareajoke says: Sep 24, 2012 6:21 PM

    Uh, hello?

    It’s the media darlings of New Yawk. It was swept under the rug by Goodell before it hit the press.

  5. philyeagles5 says: Sep 24, 2012 6:22 PM

    everyone knows it goes on. but dont punish 1 team then say its ok for another.

  6. thestrategyexpert says: Sep 24, 2012 6:24 PM

    The NFL is run by lawyers and salesmen. The name of the game is to win without getting caught, or by showing that you can demonstrate legitimate grounds for an argument. The sport is the training program to find future candidates of NFL influence that can be their political and business partners of the future.

  7. truthfactory says: Sep 24, 2012 6:26 PM

    I do think there’s a difference between a coach or team saying:

    “We need to knock that guy out!”


    “I got $10,000 for whoever knocks that guy out”

  8. anarchopurplism says: Sep 24, 2012 6:34 PM

    Any money change hands? Any “kill the head” or “kill the knee” comments?

    Then it’s not exactly the same.

    Nice try though. Muck-rake a little harder

  9. sdisme says: Sep 24, 2012 6:34 PM

    Funny because let’s say the Saints had a QB out pool in 2009/10 playoffs.

    Well the problems then is they were warned to stop at that time. Were they warned to stop targeting players? Warned to stop bounties?

    Is there proof after 2009/2010 that the Saints targeted players? All I have seen is the NFL say they used the term cart-off. A term that the NFL incorrectly defined as literally carrying a player off the field.

    Was Rex Ryan warned to stop “dotting” players? If not, why not? Was Reggie Bush “dotted”?

    —Why exactly is Sean Payton suspended for a year?

  10. sdisme says: Sep 24, 2012 6:41 PM

    truthfactory says: Sep 24, 2012 6:26 PM

    I do think there’s a difference between a coach or team saying:

    “We need to knock that guy out!”


    “I got $10,000 for whoever knocks that guy out”

    Me too. If Vilma said that, he should be suspended. But since 9 people (who were in the meetings), under oath said that never happened, I think it is time Roger Goodell, Gregg Williams and Mike Cerullo get deposed.

    Somebody is lying. Let’s find out the truth.

  11. toddwardou says: Sep 24, 2012 6:43 PM

    For the record guys, we all have this in our nature. Think about when you play Madden, don’t tell me you weren’t happy when the other team’s best player got hurt. Doesn’t mean we would try to do it, it just means it’s in our nature to want to gain any advantage possible and this is one of them.

  12. twisteditoff says: Sep 24, 2012 6:49 PM

    they are waiting for the feds to get involved so they can not only prove but to put the players in jail for lying under oath

  13. MichaelEdits says: Sep 24, 2012 6:57 PM

    Rah rah ree
    Kick ’em in the knee
    Rah rah rass
    Kick ’em in the other knee

  14. unfkwthabl says: Sep 24, 2012 7:01 PM

    If you go to the club, with the intention of sleeping with a girl… and succeed… everything fine.

    Bring cash into the equation and it becomes illegal.

    I figure the lawyer should recognize this.

  15. finbukake says: Sep 24, 2012 7:11 PM

    Philbin’s lesson learned yesterday:
    Don’t run your star RB into the center of the Jets defense with 36 seconds left in the half on your own 20.
    You invite them to tee off on him and you could see Pace jumping in celebration when they put a helmet on his knee.
    By the way, Revis island was taken off the map. Hehehehe.

  16. seahawks4alltime says: Sep 24, 2012 7:14 PM

    $10,000 to knock a player out of a game is only “a little extra money” when compared to these player’s insanely huge paychecks.

    To me $10,000 is NOT “a little” extra.

  17. drewsylvania says: Sep 24, 2012 7:23 PM

    The NFL really is a joke at this point.

  18. mulxedge says: Sep 24, 2012 7:27 PM

    isn’t ‘knock him out’ the game plan for playing Michael Vick too?

  19. cornersss says: Sep 24, 2012 7:36 PM

    “The only difference is that a little extra money was offered ”

    Read what you type,it sounds crooked to begin with. And you really think $10’s of thousands of dollars is just a little bit of money?!

  20. dannythebisforbeast says: Sep 24, 2012 7:43 PM

    This is what every defender since the beginning of the NFL wants to do to the opposing teams best players.

    It is a gladiator sport, sad to say that there will be after effects of playing it for most players. Luckily at least these days they are compensated pretty good that they can provide for their families after football for the most part.

  21. NoHomeTeam says: Sep 24, 2012 7:43 PM

    ” . . . what the Saints did seems far less sinister — and far less worthy of stiff punishments — when considering the reality that the Jets had the very same goal.”

    That’s assuming that you believe Ryan and the goon squad that their goal was to apply “clean, legal hits” to knock Bush out.

    ’cause, you know, you can always take what the Jets say at face value . . .

  22. calv23 says: Sep 24, 2012 7:44 PM

    Read today that the league’s basis was that the game video did not show Pace doing anything to target Bush in the game. Yet, video of the Saints’ penalty free performance against the 49ers didn’t clear them after Gregg Williams’ pre-game speech.

    Even the b-roll that ESPN would always show under “bountygate” news would be about 5 normal/light tackles, the McCray hit on Warner, & the hi/lo hit on Favre (both unflagged). You’d think the NFL could come up with one shot that was as blatant as the Raiders’ chop block on Ziggy Hood yesterday (also unflagged, thanks to the NFL’s real attitude towards player safety). Why doesn’t that clear the Saints in any way?

    And what difference does it make if money is exchanged on these hits or not? Does that have an effect on the extent of the injury? Don’t tell me Sean Payton is out for the year because of a salary cap violation amounting to a few thousand bucks.

  23. silentcount says: Sep 24, 2012 7:49 PM

    The winning teams aggressively target the guy with the ball. It doesn’t matter what’s said in pregame for motivation, it all comes down to following the rules on the field. That’s where the penalties and punishments occur for violations. Not suspensions for what might have been said from 3 years ago. In no way did Sean Payton and Joe Vitt deserve to be suspended. That was the most unfair punishment for nothing that’s ever happened in the NFL! Saints fans should sue Goodell for this injustice he has imposed!

  24. sfsaintsfan says: Sep 24, 2012 7:54 PM

    There is a HUGE difference between this and “bountygate”.

    The Jets admitted to targeting Reggie Bush for injury.
    The Jets injured Reggie Bush.
    The Jets admitted after the game that they targeted and injured Reggie Bush.

    Huge differences here.

    The Saints have never admitted to targeting any player for injury.
    During a THREE YEAR PERIOD the Saints did not injure a single player as a result of an illegal hit.
    The Saints HAVE NEVER admitted to an intent to injure program.
    The NFL investigated the Saints for 3 years and had 50,000 pages of “evidence” of nothing.

    There is more evidence of wrongdoing in the last week as regards to the Jets than Goodell’s 50,000 pages of “evidence” against the Saints.

    NFL will do NOTHING to the Jets because they are a New York City/New Jersey team.


  25. nyjets1017 says: Sep 24, 2012 8:00 PM

    Take him out of the game doesn’t have to mean injury. If revis said he took a wr out of the game, it just means he wasn’t effective

  26. saints97 says: Sep 24, 2012 8:02 PM

    The difference in the two is that, in this case, someone got injured.

  27. pappert says: Sep 24, 2012 8:18 PM

    Look at it like this. They say Vick wont last if he keeps taking big hits. So if they stay on bush and hit him hard and often.. he should finally collapse. Its not trying to injure him, more along the lines of questioning Reggies strength

  28. jessethegreat says: Sep 24, 2012 8:21 PM

    I’m no fan of Rex Ryan and the Jets with their constant and tired always running off at the mouth, but to compare the two is rediculous. We don’t like the Jets because they’re loud and annoying always trying to steal the spotlight from their bigger, grown up, more mature bigger brother World Championship Winning.. HUMBLE Giants… But we dislike the Saints because of their cheating skapegoating tactics. There is a difference between playing tough smash mouth legal football and playing cowardly and taking cheap shots because you don’t think you can win unless you take out the opponents best players.

  29. giablommi says: Sep 24, 2012 8:24 PM

    Of course nothing is going to happen. Goodell has shown a clear bias in dealing with NY teams (the Jets in particular), specifically in regard to allegations of the Jets own improper sideline videotaping practices in the wake of Camera Hunt 2007, which were downplayed (actually completely ignored) by the league office.

    If you are somehow surprised that the league office will ignore this blatant attempt to injure a player (a marketable, name player no less) by a JET following the unprecedented (and outrageous, IMHO) penalties levied against the Saints organization, then you just haven’t been paying attention.

  30. saints97 says: Sep 24, 2012 8:28 PM

    Except, Jesse, that there is no actual proof of the Saints taking cheap shots or trying to injure players (any more than the average team).

    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think that the Jets did anything wrong. I just don’t see how you can go nuclear on the Saints without showing me some proof of illegal acts on the field.

    Apparently talking about it in the locker room gets you a year suspension, while actually stomping a guy’s arm or face only get’s you a game or two. And, dirty shots that actually injure players only get you a small fine. If you think that’s justice, more power to you.

  31. geniusfan says: Sep 24, 2012 8:55 PM

    Well Goodell used to work for the Jets. Obvious conflict of interest. The Jets won’t get punished.

  32. bearflagfan says: Sep 24, 2012 9:03 PM

    A legal statement: I bet they don’t do anything to the Jets

    An illegal statement: I bet $1,000 they don’t do anything to the Jets

    A legal statement: The girls in the bar would like to sleep with you.

    An illegal statement: The girls in the bar would like to sleep with you for $1,000

    Get the point?

  33. ajg314 says: Sep 24, 2012 9:07 PM

    In a word, “Bull!”

  34. abninf says: Sep 24, 2012 9:11 PM

    If you played football and never wanted to knock someone out of a game then I question if you ever really did play.

  35. 2manyconcussions says: Sep 24, 2012 9:33 PM

    This horse is way past dead. The addition of money does matter. To argue the same thing happens without the money is ignoring the obvious motivation of greed and the ethical issues of contracting for injuries.

    Without proof of a money transaction, the only options are to judge motivation or judge behavior. What’s next, the NFL motivation police? Hard hits are OK as long as there is no malice of heart. Right.

    Players should be fined for behavior, i.e. illegal hits, unless it can be proven they’re being paid assassins, getting money for injuries to specific players.

  36. haansel82 says: Sep 24, 2012 10:15 PM

    These guys are payed to destroy their opponents. That being said, they should never game plan someones problematic knee or ankle with cheap hits. Its like being a police officer, you are taught to target mass over limb. Diving blatantly at someones legs or ankles, to take them out of the game, should result in suspension. When you add this element to the game, and players know if they hit someones knee -late or blatantly, they will get rewarded, there is something seriously wrong. To me, this is where the Saints went wrong. You can play lights out and achieve similar goals by neutralizing players – you do not need to add extra incentives to get your guys to perform. Doing this speaks volumes for your coaching abilities, or lack thereof.

  37. piemasteruk says: Sep 25, 2012 3:06 AM

    “If you played football and never wanted to knock someone out of a game then I question if you ever really did play.”




    There is not one NFL team out there who would not collectively be cheering if their opponent’s star player left the game with an injury next week. And not one team where the person who inflicted the injury would not be privately congratulated by his fellow players and his coaches. Every team I have ever played on encouraged trying to knock the best players out of the game. Some coaches did it with the standard “hit them hard” rhetoric, others with a more sinister “hit him in the knees” type way.

    And that was in amateur football where there was nothing at stake except pride. Add millions of dollars in wages, bonuses and endorsements as an incentive for winning and of course coaches are going to encourage players to inflict injury. It happened at the Saints, it happens at the Jets, it happens at your favourite team, it happens at your favourite team’s arch-rivals, it happened at teams coached by Saint Tony Dungy, it happens everywhere. Always has and always will.

  38. monropoobah says: Sep 25, 2012 4:46 AM

    Me too. If Vilma said that, he should be suspended. But since 9 people (who were in the meetings), under oath said that never happened, I think it is time Roger Goodell, Gregg Williams and Mike Cerullo get deposed.

    Somebody is lying. Let’s find out the truth.

    if i was to take information regarding a bounty program, i would assume that i would have to promise the whistle blower anonymity to get the info. then, if i make that deal i’m probably facing a civil suit if i violate the agreement (besides being a slug for doing so). am i giving goodell and co. too much credit? don’t know. but i haven’t heard mention of this possibility and thought i’d throw it out there.
    the saints had a CONCEALED PROGRAM in place and were WARNED to end it. they didn’t. this happened against a backdrop of the threat of a huge lawsuit against the nfl for lack of action in protecting player safety. so there’s a ‘crime’. a big one. and if you don’t act you get sued. what’s complicated?

  39. dolfandan1 says: Sep 25, 2012 7:43 AM

    So by your logic there is no difference between having sex with your date and having sex with a prostitute because there’s just “a little extra money” involved. It’s the money part that makes it illegal.

  40. rmdz7 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:42 PM

    Some of you people should never be allowed near an analogy.

    Give the girl the $10,000 to have sex not with one, two, or even 3, but 9-10 guys and/or gals, put it on video, call it a movie. You’re clear.

    On topic, the fact of the matter is, Goodell made a HUGE stink over what he called the intent to injure [allegedly] involved in the Saints case. That was his entire “paltform” if you will.

    If Goodell’s goal is really to improve player safety and truly eradicate an alleged/perceived intent to injure culture in the NFL, he must act against the Jets, and severely. There is no other way of not coming across as a hypocrite, and solidifying the claims not only made by Vilma and the other players, but by the ex-players suing the NFL as well. Simple as that.

  41. daveman8403 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:53 PM


    No, you are comparing consensual sex with trying to injure another person. That is ridiculous. Put it to you this way. If a Hit man kills a person for money, is less of a crime to kill for free?

    your argument makes 0 sense. The point is we have players, coaches, etc. admitting and talking about targeting others for injury. Goodell came down on “Boutnygate” because he says it is detrimental to the game and infringes on players’ safety. If he does nothing about things like this he is pretty hypocritical.

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