Comments on: NFL morning after: An amazing Sunday, except the refs

By: La Milicia Negra

La Milicia Negra — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:26:10 +0000

Grandted Jason Hanson is a great kicker, but that said, there at least two guys ahead of him to become a HoF’er..

#1 Morten Andersen, no doubt the best

#2 Gary Anderson was a great kicker as well

# 3 Sebastian Janikowski, pt, he shares this spot with Jason Hanson.

By: giark1

giark1 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 21:30:26 +0000

Time to stop fixating on the refs. First, you forget how questionable many of the calls of the “real” refs were. Second, the extra time shouldn’t matter, because anyone with a brain Tivo’s this stuff to avoid the 90 minutes of commercials (the real time waster). Finally, I’m guessing that there are 8,000 or so total calls by the officials during a season, so it all sorts out statistically–it’s call the Law of Large numbers and it works whether your gambling long-term or guaging ref calls.

By: philrat

philrat — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:59:19 +0000

What evidence to you have that Matt Schaub suffered a concussion? He grabbed his head because he suffered an ear injury when his helmet came off. He didn’t show any trouble walking off the field.

By: Mr. Wright 212

Mr. Wright 212 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:10:35 +0000

gmk17 says: Sep 24, 2012 1:44 PM

The “real refs” are barely any better than the replacements. The complaining about referees won’t go away once they return.
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Complaining about the refs is part of what makes watching football fun. But we complain with the 3-4 bad calls knowing that the regulars KNOW THE RULES. It’s not the same thing here, sonny boy.

By: Mr. Wright 212

Mr. Wright 212 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:09:43 +0000

Just last week Jerry Jones said the kneel down should be outlawed. Then Romo does it yesterday and it’s all good ha.

By: gmk17

gmk17 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:44:34 +0000

The “real refs” are barely any better than the replacements. The complaining about referees won’t go away once they return.

By: dickmac

dickmac — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:10:09 +0000

footballchic777 says ” 3. The fact that “real” refs are in the booth to “oversee” the game so these mistakes don’t happen, and they aren’t correct frequently.”

The “real refs” aren’t in the booth – they’re “locked out” – the people in the booth are other NFL employees.

By: PFTiswhatitis

PFTiswhatitis — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:51:03 +0000

In the Pats/Ravens game, 14 penalties resulted in 1st downs. That effected the outcome and NO it is not OK because both teams were victimized. It doesnt work that way.

By: anonymous135

anonymous135 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:48:18 +0000

Has anyone heard Schiano say that he hopes that his team can get the opportunity to be in a victory formation and experience this from that perspective?

By: twindaddy

twindaddy — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:31:12 +0000

Um, didn’t Corey Dillon rush for over 250 against the Titans his rookie year? And then for 278 against the Broncos?

By: footballchic777

footballchic777 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:20:03 +0000

The Good:

There was a full slat if what turned out to be great games yesterday (- the refs).

1. Jamaal Charles was amazing!
2. Bengals were a different team that played a very good (not great) game, and made this Bengal fan very happy. They stepped up and beat a good team and great QB!
3. Kickers are and UNDERRATED group of players that score a tremendous amount of points, and many of them under extreme pressure! They were great too!
4. Great win Vikes!

The Bad:

1. These refs need to go. It is not just the fact they are screwing up the calls, they are losing control of the games. The culmination of this was the player free for all’s in last nights game between the Ravens and Pats. Some of the refs just looked at them and walked in the other direction and didn’t even throw flags.
2. Clock run off in last 2 minutes. Bengals game where Redskins were out of timeouts and had injuries that should have been run off but weren’t. Not the only game this happened in.
3. The fact that “real” refs are in the booth to “oversee” the game so these mistakes don’t happen, and they aren’t correct frequently.
4. Fan boycotts are not going to have an immediate enough effect to get this moving. Pulling ad space during games and the players actually striking, like they have threatened to do, seems to be the only thing that will “hurry” this along.
5. Schiano…..again? Best said by ‘east96st’ in an earlier post.

The Ugly:

Harbaugh was flagged for yelling at a ref and got a 15yd. penalty. When you read his lips, he went from saying….’I can’t talk to you over there’ to ‘I was just trying to get a time out!’ Then Belichik has the gumption to grab a ref……that is a big NO-NO. 100k isn’t going to mean anything to him and will probably be covered by the franchise. The only way to make a statement is to do like MLB does….ejection. Out a game.

By: dirtybird28

dirtybird28 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 16:09:49 +0000

I think MDS is on point with his last paragraph. You play to win the game. If there’s a chance for a victory, you go for it. Plain and simple.

By: hoosiermizuno

hoosiermizuno — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:35:38 +0000

Time for the offense to ‘play to the end of game’ and fake the kneel and go deep on schiano’s bucs.

By: htown1035

htown1035 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:27:08 +0000

Why did Schaub get cleared so quickly? Easy.

He stated in a radio interview this morning that they checked him while he was on the field and he was coherent, not dizzy or woozy. His injury was to his ear, which part of it got lopped off.

By: seenoland54

seenoland54 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:07:41 +0000

delius1967 wrote “It’s one thing to “play all 60 minutes”, it’s quite another to jeopardize the next game in a lost cause.”

Well, I paid for THIS game and the teams got paid for THIS game and a game is SIXTY MINUTES.

By: petedutcher

petedutcher — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:04:16 +0000

If the refs had ruled that fumble correctly when the play ended, the Bucs would have won the game. The whistle would not have blown too early.

Last week, the refs cost the Bucs the game as well.

Bucs could easily be 3-0 right now if not for the refs. I was in favor of the NFL on the ref issue…but with each week the refs have a stronger stance.

A deal needs to be done.

By: seenoland54

seenoland54 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:03:53 +0000

All this whining about the refs. Both teams are professional organizations, they play on the same turf, in the same weather, with the same refs. The players are pros, as in “paid” to play under any circumstance and a mark of that is the ability to adapt and improvise under any adverse circumstance, whether weather, turf or…refs. As paid performaers, they should be able to, without complaint, play in tutu’s and ice skates if that were the circumstances presented.

By: kabasaman

kabasaman — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:02:49 +0000

This ref fiasco is becoming a Joke…. Rodger, the mouthpiece for the owners is the worst commissioner in sports. How he can tell coaches, players and the media to lay off the scabs. Even though it is obvious that these guys are screwing up big time.. He preaces Integrity of the game, Player saftey and the fan experience. Just collect your blood money from the owners Rodger… Oh, yea, lets put a team in London. That spells integrity! The NFL is becoming a joke.

By: beedubyatoo

beedubyatoo — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:01:02 +0000

If the NFL can force FCS and D-II refs 0n the public, wny not have current players from the same conferences on the field? Perhaps that’s a bad analogy, but if we have to put up with inferior officials, why not inferior players?

I probably shouldn’t put inferior ideas in their inferior minds.

By: briandorry55

briandorry55 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:56:20 +0000

Since you mention Schaub’s quick return after that big hit…Tony Romo took a short nap after a Gerald McCoy sack and he was right back in on the next play.

By: briandorry55

briandorry55 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:55:37 +0000

The people who are mentioning that some team is going to “run up the score” on the Bucs, or “run a slip screen on the kneel down and score”…The only time Schiano is calling it is when it is the absolute last chance to win the game! He said last week that he didn’t do it before half time for that very reason…because if the Giants exploited it and scored, then it would hurt the Bucs chances of winning. Also, someone mentioned “one players attacks another who was not expecting it?”…the Giants were the only ones not expecting it. The Cowboys just manned up and blocked it yesterday…idk why blocking for your quarterback for 1-3 more plays is such a preposterous notion. Someone also said that Schiano didn’t rush the kneeldown on the two plays before he did it against the Giants…that’s false. That play was 1st down after the interception. Schiano rushed it all three times against Dallas on Sunday. Lastly, nobody ever said the kneel down was a dirty play, so the fact that the Bucs offense kneeled to end the Carolina game is irrelevant. The kneel is the smartest way to end the game for the offense, but that doesn’t mean that the defense shouldn’t try to defend it.

By: delius1967

delius1967 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:53:15 +0000

Using Schiano’s logic, would he leave in his stars if the Bucs were up by 30 with two minutes to go? Or would he send in the second-stringers? The chances of one of his players getting injured needlessly are much, much greater than the chance of them forcing a turnover and moving the length of the field in 10 seconds. It’s one thing to “play all 60 minutes”, it’s quite another to jeopardize the next game in a lost cause.

By: blarghlblarghl

blarghlblarghl — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:41:13 +0000

“Schiano coaches football the right way: Play hard until the game is over.”

But that’s the thing, they DIDN’T play hard until the game was over. Halfway through the 4th they basically waved the white flag, and were running the ball repeatedly for no gain even though they were down.

Even if he was actually trying to cause a fumble and score, he should have called the timeout with 35 seconds left rather than letting it run down to 7 (which meant that even if they forced a turnover they wouldn’t have time to capitalize on it)

No, that wasn’t “playing hard until the game was over.” That was a sore loser going for a cheap shot at the end out of pure spite, and risking injuries on both teams to do so.

By: bengalfan2012

bengalfan2012 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:38:05 +0000

Bengals-Skins game. 1:04 left in game Skins down 7 with ball no timeouts left. Wash player gets injured causing clock to stop. Originally refs said it was 10 sec runoff. No runoff ever occured and I believe the refs came back and said Skins get extra timeout for injured player.
Is this now a rule??????
strange that nobody has mentioned this play..anywhere!

By: patriotsdefense

patriotsdefense — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:27:18 +0000

$100,000 are you kidding me? That is an ridiculous amount. What did he even do? He tried to get an explanation. It really wasn’t as bad as it looked, when NBC slowed it down.

By: wludford

wludford — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:26:30 +0000

Vikings came to play yesterday, and showed what they can do to one of the best teams in football. First signs of respect all year now starting to come in for the Vikings as Peter King puts them #10 in his fine 15, and Don Banks wondering what the Vikings ceiling is. Not much, but it’s a start.

Anyone who follows the Vikings closer than simply keeping tabs on the star players (which is all the national media do) would know the Vikings are rebuilt. Not rebuilding, rebuilt. They need experience, but they have the talent to be a playoff team this year. Ponder is for real, the defense is improved, and, starting next week, they’ll have Jerome Simpson lining up to be the deep threat they’ve been missing to go along with Percy Harvin, Kyle Rudolph, AP, Ponder, and an improved offensive line.

At the same time, the rest of the NFC North looks a lot less fearsome after 3 weeks than at the beginning of the year.

By: mogogo1

mogogo1 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:26:27 +0000

A tangent on the replacement refs: With the added scrutiny, it’s become even more obvious that most announcers are flat-out ignorant of the rules. I find that astounding since most of the color commentators are former players or coaches. At times it is surreal because the replacement refs aren’t 100% sure of what they’re calling, but then you’ve got a commentator throwing out his totally inaccurate opinion on what he thinks the rules are.

By: randyschwimmer7

randyschwimmer7 — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:22:35 +0000

I rewound the “illegal” hit to Schaab and it wasn’t illegal at all. I used the point that they had it in slow mode, and I played it frame by frame, and his helmet was NEVER touched. The force of Joe Mays hitting him with his hands to his chest area, and Malik Jackson hitting him at the same time in the chest jarred his helmet loose. The reason he was grabbing his head was because the padding on the inside of the helmet got stuck on his email. You could even read his lips on the sideline and said that the helmet hurt him.

By: footballfansteve

footballfansteve — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:18:41 +0000

As Francisco said the reason the Raiders/Steelers game took so long was a very long delay while carting a player off. Not like the officials made that game take longer.

By: clu1perceiver

clu1perceiver — Mon, 24 Sep 2012 14:16:28 +0000

Folks, the RepRefs have little if any reason to be against a particular team. What they are prone to fall prey to is intimidation. With coaches, players, fans, all crashing in on them they are hesitant and anything but decisive. So they make non-calls, miss calls, phantom calls, and good calls. Get the regular officials back.