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NFL will issue formal statement on Packers-Seahawks controversy

Clay Matthews, Russell Wilson AP

The NFL has confirmed that it plans to issue a formal statement today on the Seahawks’ game-winning touchdown pass on Monday night, which the replacement officials on the field ruled to be simultaneously possessed by both Seattle receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay defensive back M.D. Jennings, but virtually everyone else agrees was intercepted by Jennings before Tate put his hand on the ball.

We don’t know what the NFL will say. It’s possible that the league could actually claim that the officials on the field got the call right, but that seems extraordinarily unlikely. The NFL can spin with the best of them, but the paying customers aren’t in any mood to accept any claim that the call was correct.

More likely, the league will issue an explanation of the simultaneous possession rule, followed by an acknowledgement that the officiating isn’t perfect but a defense of the overall quality of the replacement officials as generally adequate.

The statement the fans, the coaches and the players want is a statement that the NFL’s lockout of the regular officials has come to an end. No one expects that statement to come today.

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  1. benh999 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:44 AM

    1. One bad call did not cause them to lose the game.
    2. The Packers needed to benefit from bad calls to even be in it.
    3. The play was reviewed by a non-scab/non-NFLRA replay official.
    4. The league’s sticking point is that they want to be able to immediately bench crews that call such bad games — the NFLRA does not want to give them that ability.
    5. We’ve seen bad calls decide close games by regulars enough times (the Mami/Pittsburgh game from a few years back that prompted the rule to review every scoring play comes to mind).
    6. In all likelihood games are taking this long because of the eighth official communicating upstairs, not because the replacements are too slow.

    Like most labor disputes, the issue is not so much about money as much as it is keeping jobs cushy. Just look at the teachers in Chicago who declined massive pay raises because they did not want to be accountable to their superiors.

  2. killface4prez says: Sep 25, 2012 10:45 AM

    Will this statement be more feckless than toothless, or more toothless than feckless? The suspense is killing me.

  3. geauxjay says: Sep 25, 2012 10:45 AM

    As a result of yesterday’s outcome, we have decided to suspend Sean Payton for ANOTHER year.

  4. gor76 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:45 AM

    As a Bears fan, all I have to say is “Don Majkowski was over the line of scrimmage.”

  5. jhein23 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:45 AM

    Fire Roger Gooodell, I’m suprised more fans, writers and players don’t think he’s the biggest problem.

  6. logicalthinkersays says: Sep 25, 2012 10:45 AM

    Get your legalize/semantics translators out everyone.

  7. h3min1230 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:45 AM

    I say Goodell should hold a press conference and explain everything that is going on. From updates on Bounty-Gate, to where they are on negotiations with the refs, to how the FG in the Ravens Pats game was good, and also to what happened last night.

  8. blowpackblow says: Sep 25, 2012 10:46 AM

    We should all boycott the Thursday game, give the NFL the lowest ratings in the history of the game. That is what they deserve. Selfish, greedy jerks are ruining years of hard work.

  9. chc4 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:46 AM

    Can someone explain why “simultaneous possession” is not reviewable? OK so the refs blew the call on the field. It should have been corrected thru replay. That’s the most inexplicable part of the whole mess.

  10. whordy says: Sep 25, 2012 10:47 AM

    but the paying customers aren’t in any mood to accept any claim that the call was correct.

    Really?

    Are the paying customers going to boycott next weekend?

    Are the paying networks going to stop showing the games in anger?

    Are the paying customers going to stop spending ridiculous amounts on concessions while at the games?

    Are the paying customers going to watch something else on Sunday from 1 – 10?

    No. The NFL is going to spin it however they want because the paying customers aren’t in any position to make the NFL change.

  11. beedubyatoo says: Sep 25, 2012 10:47 AM

    Of couse the NFL will make a statement, as soon as they can think of something to say or someone else to blame.

  12. kane337 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:47 AM

    If fans and players want an end to this they need to focus their rage and put pressure on the refs union just as much the league. It takes 2 to make an agreement.

  13. thekiller678 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:47 AM

    Don’t get me wrong, Packers got robbed. But LOL @ all you people that are “done” with the NFL. We all know you’ll be watching come Sunday

  14. gothrodgers says: Sep 25, 2012 10:48 AM

    “I am in shock right now. Without a doubt the sickest bad beat in my gambling career which is saying a lot. All I know is that Ref #28 is the one who made the bogus phantom Pass Interference call on Sam Shields on Seattle’s second to last drive for 32 yard. He is also the one who failed to see Golden Tate’s blatant shove in the back on the final play, and of course he is the one who called the touchdown. It is absolutely impossible for me to stop wondering if that guy was in some way not financially compensated or bribed to affect this game for the Seahawks. I am begging you as a prominent media figure to please bring up this particular individual, Ref #28 somehow on your site and possibly raise some groundswell for an official investigation. This is the biggest injustice possibly in the recent history of sports and sports gambling and it would be a travesty if this guy gets away with it. Please at least mention this in passing somehow in some format somewhere on Grantland. What an absolute joke, again I am in complete shock right now …
    —Eugene Matusevitch, Bethesda”

  15. killface4prez says: Sep 25, 2012 10:48 AM

    gor76 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:45 AM

    As a Bears fan, all I have to say is “Don Majkowski was over the line of scrimmage.”

    ————-

    Perhaps. But Calvin Johnson caught that ball. Just sayin’.

  16. petedutcher says: Sep 25, 2012 10:48 AM

    benh999 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:44 AM

    1. One bad call did not cause them to lose the game.

    .

    This is ignorant…it was the last play of the game, stupid. It DID cost them the game.

  17. willycents says: Sep 25, 2012 10:49 AM

    Might I suggest that members of the media and fans who are constantly “second guessing” the referees calls volunteer to ref the games free of charge? It is obvious that they could do a perfect job, no missed nor incorrect calls, in a timely manner and with total control of the game. Just a thought.

  18. rhett16 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:49 AM

    benh999,

    Your point number 1 there is completely incorrect. One bad call did cause them to lose the game.

  19. sportsreporterusa says: Sep 25, 2012 10:49 AM

    Boycott is the only way God-Dell and the owners causing this display of “officiating” to an end.

    I for one will not watch the National Sunday afternoon game, Sunday night game, or the MNF game until the officiating mess is fixed.

    Plenty of other things to do than watch what is the worst officiating I have seen in professional sports history.

  20. theTruth says: Sep 25, 2012 10:49 AM

    I’m interested tyo see how they explain the call being upheld after review when the NFL has their own personell in on the decision.

    And how about all of the other lousy calls that have effected the outcome of games all season? The NFL should issue a refund to all ticket holders.

  21. mathomp3 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:50 AM

    It will take a few more of these games in the Seahawks favor to make up for getting jobbed by the real refs in the Superbowl.

  22. mjs2012 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:50 AM

    I expect your typical big corporation pr statement that doesn’t really say anything whatsoever.

    I do believe the NFL is most likely still underestimating the anger of their fan base right now.

  23. natelifer says: Sep 25, 2012 10:50 AM

    benh999 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:44 AM

    1. One bad call did not cause them to lose the game.
    2. The Packers needed to benefit from bad calls to even be in it.
    3. The play was reviewed by a non-scab/non-NFLRA replay official.
    4. The league’s sticking point is that they want to be able to immediately bench crews that call such bad games — the NFLRA does not want to give them that ability.
    5. We’ve seen bad calls decide close games by regulars enough times (the Mami/Pittsburgh game from a few years back that prompted the rule to review every scoring play comes to mind).
    6. In all likelihood games are taking this long because of the eighth official communicating upstairs, not because the replacements are too slow.

    Like most labor disputes, the issue is not so much about money as much as it is keeping jobs cushy. Just look at the teachers in Chicago who declined massive pay raises because they did not want to be accountable to their superiors.

    Boy the true intelligent fans are out and about today. Next time before you comment on a game you should probably watch it or at least understand the game a little bit.

  24. baned0n says: Sep 25, 2012 10:50 AM

    There’s a replay angle from the middle of the field where it shows Jennings and Tate both getting their hands on the ball simultaneously. It’s still a plenty debateable call, but I don’t think it’s the clearly egregious call that most ppl are making it out to be. I think this probably would’ve been a mess of a call with real refs too.

  25. bobby927 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:50 AM

    After further review, the runner failed to touch 2nd base. Touchdown Celtics!

  26. prospero63 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:50 AM

    I think the NFL needs to keep a hard line with the union. Let’s not forget:

    1) The Div I ref’s could do this, games are on Sunday after all, but they were told by their leadership that if they moonlight for the NFL they will lose their jobs
    2) The refs are working part time jobs but demanding full time benefits. I’m still not sure why the NFL doesn’t just pay them 1099.
    3) The ref assn came back this weekend and above all the other demands they have, said they want to get paid for the weeks they were locked out

    The ref’s greed, not the NFL’s greed, is what’s driven this.

  27. NancyNancy says: Sep 25, 2012 10:51 AM

    Who cares! It will be some stupid statement supporting the ridiculous refs and how they are doing a great job! The NFL is full of crap.

  28. 3octaveFart says: Sep 25, 2012 10:51 AM

    It’ll go something like this.

    Eat me.
    signed,
    Roger

  29. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:52 AM

    Even Larry Fitgerald said it was a terrible call. He even said at no time did Tate possess the ball. And even stated Tate is a good friend of his. LOL. He’s on The Herd right now.

  30. vjack says: Sep 25, 2012 10:52 AM

    It’s Jay Cutlers fault.

  31. jpb12 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:52 AM

    The statement will be preceded by three State Farm commercials featuring Rodgers, Matthews and Raji.

    Followed by a PapaJohn’s ad with Peyton.

    Then someone from ‘legal’ will thank Skittles.

  32. nvpacker says: Sep 25, 2012 10:52 AM

    At this point, Roger’s NFL has lost all credibility in my eyes and I don’t really give a rip what that bunch of douche bags have to say.

  33. patfic15 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:52 AM

    How about strip the win?

  34. skoobyfl says: Sep 25, 2012 10:52 AM

    These refs are actually giving the outside teams a chance to win, like when Rowdy Roddy Piper actually defeated the Iron Sheik for the WWF Heavyweight title.

  35. gammynomnom says: Sep 25, 2012 10:53 AM

    It does NOT matter if Jennings had his hands on the ball first while he was high in the air. Its not a catch or interception untill your feet hit the ground.

    Tates feet CLEARLY hit the ground first and if he had both hands on the ball by then, it is his ball.

    Its funny to me when people say he was barely touching the ball, yet Jennings, laying on top of him could not pull it from his grasp.

    TouchDown Seahawks. Plain as day.

  36. jhein23 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:53 AM

    Benh999 the 3 worst calls in the game were all on the final drive all helping Seattle. The Packers outplayed the Seacheaters the entire 2nd half.

    BTW- How classy of Pete Carroll to run in to the locker room without shaking McCarthy’s hand. McCarthy comes back out on the field obviously upset and is looking for Pete after the game. Pete pumping his fist runs into the lockerroom. He’s always been so classy.

  37. jackychilds says: Sep 25, 2012 10:53 AM

    The refs take 5 minutes to convene over a holding call or 12 men on the field call. But on a game deciding play, those two knuckleheads in the endzone just look at each other and then make two different calls on the play. They didn’t even say a single word to each other to talk about what each person saw!!!!!

  38. theenutty says: Sep 25, 2012 10:53 AM

    Due to poor officiating in yesterdays Packers/Seahwaks game, the NFL announces a 3 million dollar fine to James Harrison.

  39. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:54 AM

    If NFL admits mistake, by rule, and this is no joke, RG can reverse the outcome. But we know this wont happen.

  40. gbsfinest420 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:54 AM

    Everyone seems to forget that the real refs suck too.

    I bet a small wager on the seahawks and I think it was a blown call but lets move on.

    There were plenty of phantom calls and game deciding penalties even before this years replacement refs.

  41. orangebluedonkey says: Sep 25, 2012 10:55 AM

    They don’t need to make a statement. It should be an apology. Not about just last nights game but about the first 3 weeks too.

  42. racksie says: Sep 25, 2012 10:55 AM

    As a Vikings fan all I can say is “Hey, the Vikings are in first place”!

  43. gmsingh says: Sep 25, 2012 10:55 AM

    I’ll be interested to see what variation on “Life’s a bitch” the NFL’s formal statement will be.

  44. Ghost Rat says: Sep 25, 2012 10:55 AM

    Steve Young and Trent Dilfer were correct last night; the NFL is diminishing its brand.

    The league may well acknowledge an error, but they will refuse to vacate the outcome.

  45. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:56 AM

    Since when is bear hugging a defender from behind considered possessing the ball? What a joke.

  46. TSizzleBallSoHard says: Sep 25, 2012 10:56 AM

    The Packers didn’t deserve to win last night. I, personally, think the call on the field was right but even if it was wrong I don’t care. Bad calls by the regular officials have decided games in the past before. It’s part of the game. I understand that these refs are bad and I have criticized them all season too. Honestly the Packers are one of those teams that get all the calls and this time they didn’t. They got 5 first downs handed to them by the refs in the 2nd half. They played like crap all of the first half and then they let a rookie QB drive down the field twice and score that TD. They didn’t deserve to win and I don’t care if the call was right or not. I understand why the refs called it the way they did. You’re looking for an excuse to get so mad at these refs to try to convince the NFL to bring the real refs back but honestly you’re blowing this call way out of proportion.

  47. jbeeeb says: Sep 25, 2012 10:57 AM

    I think they need to address a few other things as well…

    1. How a defender is supposed to pull up when they have already left their feet with the ball still in the QBs hands. That negated one interception.

    2. How pushing a DB in the back right in front of an official isn’t offensive pass interference.

    3. How a defensive back can be totally mugged by a receiver on the sidelines and was in position for the interception before the mugging and yet the DB committed pass interference.

    4. How a kicking ball is the correct ball on a 2 point conversion attempt.

    5. How a DB can be allowed to cheap shot a receiver down field while leading with their helmet to the other player’s helmet and no one saw it.

    6. How a penalty that is to be added on after the play isn’t.

    7. How Ryan Grant (25) can be penalized when he isn’t a Packer any longer.

    8. How a late shot to DJ Smith gets missed after the play, but not Smith getting in the face by the cheap shot artist.

    And that is just a start from the Packer perspective. Yup, the office has a LOT of explaining to do on this one.

  48. thatswhatimsayin says: Sep 25, 2012 10:57 AM

    Packer fans, remember this? The refs gifted you a SuperBowl run, which you won

    NFL apologizes to Vikings:

    Minnesota coach Brad Childress says the NFL has apologized for an overturned touchdown that cost the Vikings four points in a four-point loss at Green Bay.
    Childress said Monday he called the league about Visanthe Shiancoe’s nullified score late in the second quarter Sunday night. The replay review determined Shiancoe didn’t have proper possession of the ball as he landed after his diving catch.
    But Childress said NFL vice president of officiating Carl Johnson acknowledged the mistake, revealing at his news conference that Johnson said he was “disappointed that the call was reversed.”
    Spokesman Greg Aiello said league policy is not to comment on conversations between Johnson and the clubs. Aiello said Johnson “is obligated to give his factual opinion of any call that is questioned by a club.”
    But the policy also “states that all such conversations are confidential and are not to be discussed publicly,” Aiello said.
    Childress also acknowledged he should have challenged a Packers touchdown, when Andrew Quarless did not appear to have possession of the ball as he hit the ground on his second-quarter catch.

  49. westcoastraider says: Sep 25, 2012 10:57 AM

    All ima say is….. Al Davis would have put a end to this by now

  50. giantsfanlewis says: Sep 25, 2012 10:57 AM

    Tuck rule game
    Giants 49ers 2003
    Giants packers game 1-2 last year
    Saints entire 2009 season(they were talkig about it being the year no won the sb to help the city before the pre season)
    Music city mericle
    Steelers Seahawks Super Bowl
    All raiders game last 30 years
    Lions saints playoff game

    I could go on and on. Green bay and nfl fans in general need to remember the reg refs screw teams all the time

  51. mp4pack says: Sep 25, 2012 10:59 AM

    Can we stop with this “Packers didn’t play well enough to win anyway” nonsense? Seattle is an extremely tough place to play (ask the Cowboys). Any team that goes in there and plays well enough to have more points in the end has earned the victory. The Packers did, and it was stolen from them.

  52. elgaffo says: Sep 25, 2012 10:59 AM

    I dont give 2 sh&$ts what they have to say. An amazing game was ruined last night for everyone. Asa Packer fan, of course I want the win. But if you’re a Seattle fan you have to feel a little dirty too. Winning like that is not enjoyable.

  53. dadawg77 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:59 AM

    NFL Statement: Scabs be scabs but we need to respect them as they are trying their hardest.

    That call reversed the outcome of bet with an estimated total of 150 million USD. PFT has repeatedly mentioned that NFL screening of the scabs has been less then stellar. With that amount of money and that call, one would be naive not to question if something fishy was going on. Monday night draws the most action as its the last chance for the week. Its also why it gets the ratings it does so if people become reluctant to gamble because of the quality of officiating, those ratings and NFL revenue will decline.

    Wonder how many fantasy matchups where reversed on that call? This impacts the pocket books of the fans and thus NFL needs to conclude the lockout before turning its rabid fan base off.

  54. imjinbrdgr says: Sep 25, 2012 11:00 AM

    PROTEST IDEA!!!

    Fans will keep watching games. Owners know this.

    How much revenue would the owners lose if ALL TV SET WERE TURNED OFF DURING HALF TIME?

    If this were to happen next Sunday, how many advertisers would want to spend money on ads the next week.

  55. globalaxd says: Sep 25, 2012 11:00 AM

    For Seattle fans still maintaining this was a TD catch (and anyone else):

    This is one of those times where you should pretend the jerseys are reversed and then try to argue that the refs made the right call there.

    The difference between the bad call made against the Hawks in the third quarter (and it was a bad PI call) is the Packers still had to drive and score, whereas this last plainly missed (2) call (s) decided the outcome of the game and was the literal last play. Besides, any vitriol you felt for that call was immediately made-up by the bogus roughing the passer call and the even more bogus (I-couldn’t-believe-it-when-I-saw-it bad) PI call on Shields a few plays later. And then not to even mention the dirty hit on Jennings well after the play was over.

    It literally takes nothing from your team to admit that the refs blew that call, nor does it make you less of a fan. Your team still gets the “W” in a very hard fought and evenly played game (Seattle played awesome the first half, and the Packers played better in the second). But blow the decision the refs did. Hard and not even closely.

    Admitting it only means you aren’t (literally and figuratively) blind and have some integrity.

  56. nflovercollegefb says: Sep 25, 2012 11:01 AM

    I wish you guys were even half as upset over the President calling the murder of 4 Americans in Libya “bumps in the road”.

  57. dte421 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:02 AM

    1. One bad call did not cause them to lose the game.

    You’re right. It was three bad calls. The rouging on the INT, the PI on Rice raping Shields, and the TD. Thanks for pointing that out.

    2. The Packers needed to benefit from bad calls to even be in it.

    I assume you refer to the Finley PI, which, while shaky, was better than any call against the Pack on the final drive.

    3. The play was reviewed by a non-scab/non-NFLRA replay official.

    The play could not be overturned once the ref on the field called in a TD. Simultaneous possession is not reviewable. The review merely wanted to be sure the ball didn’t hit the ground. Nice try.

    4. The league’s sticking point is that they want to be able to immediately bench crews that call such bad games — the NFLRA does not want to give them that ability.

    Never in my lifetime has a crew of real refs called a full game as badly as last night, Sunday night, OAK/PIT, or NYJ/MIA this week alone.

    5. We’ve seen bad calls decide close games by regulars enough times (the Mami/Pittsburgh game from a few years back that prompted the rule to review every scoring play comes to mind).

    It’s extremely rare, and again, this wasn’t just one bad call.

    6. In all likelihood games are taking this long because of the eighth official communicating upstairs, not because the replacements are too slow.

    Are you even watching? They throw a flag and then huddle up to decide what they should call. Should it be illegal contact? Defensive holding? PI? F*** it, let’s flip a coin.

    This is an embarrassment, and you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to defend it.

  58. TSizzleBallSoHard says: Sep 25, 2012 11:02 AM

    There are more angles that the media seem to be unwilling to show where it looks like simultaneous possession which is why the play wasn’t overturned. But when you keep replaying the same angle that makes it look like it was an INT then yeah it’s easy to get upset at the refs. There are more angles than just the one or two that the media keeps replaying.

  59. wludford says: Sep 25, 2012 11:03 AM

    Whatever the statement, the NFL cannot bring back credibility to the replacement referees, which has been lost. Not just by this call, but many. Not just judgment calls, but getting the rules wrong, or enforcing the rules wrong.

    But blame for this situation does rest solely with the NFL. It is at least as much due to the intransigence of the NFLRA. The deal presented by the NFL is not out-of-line:

    - Going from a pension to a 401(k) – something just about every major company has done over the past 20 years.

    - Having back-up refs available if the first-string refs have poor performance or are sick/injured- just like players. This is common sense and for the good of the game. The NFLRA needs to drop the ‘job security’ beef and look at what is best for the game of football.

    The rest of the differences are not big and should have been hammered out a long time ago. At this point, I think the best thing is for the NFL and NFLRA to agree on some deal for this year alone, so they can get back on the job, and then negotiate and/or accept binding arbitration for a more permanent deal for next year and beyond.

  60. pariseinminnesotabichez says: Sep 25, 2012 11:04 AM

    How does it feel to be screwed packer fans???? Now u know how us Vikings fans feel about the NFC Championship game back in 09!

  61. jtchernak says: Sep 25, 2012 11:04 AM

    Why about all the bad calls Sunday night

  62. stanklepoot says: Sep 25, 2012 11:04 AM

    benh999 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:44 AM

    1. One bad call did not cause them to lose the game.
    2. The Packers needed to benefit from bad calls to even be in it.
    3. The play was reviewed by a non-scab/non-NFLRA replay official.
    4. The league’s sticking point is that they want to be able to immediately bench crews that call such bad games — the NFLRA does not want to give them that ability.
    5. We’ve seen bad calls decide close games by regulars enough times (the Mami/Pittsburgh game from a few years back that prompted the rule to review every scoring play comes to mind).
    6. In all likelihood games are taking this long because of the eighth official communicating upstairs, not because the replacements are too slow.

    Like most labor disputes, the issue is not so much about money as much as it is keeping jobs cushy. Just look at the teachers in Chicago who declined massive pay raises because they did not want to be accountable to their superiors.
    ______________________________
    1. Could the Packers have made sure they were in a position that one bad call couldn’t cost them the game? Yes, but the call in question was the last call of them game, and no more plays were possible afterwards. So, this one call literally changed the outcome of the game.

    2. The Seahawks would have been out of the game earlier had it not been for bad calls that favored them. There were bad calls all around. None of that excuses what happened at the end of the game.

    3. The play was partially reviewed by a non-scab official. As a scoring play, it had to be looked at under the new rules. Unfortunately, however, the only thing the review official could determine was whether or not a catch of some sort had been made. The fact that it was Jennings who caught the ball rather than Tate was not up for discussion because the simultaneous catch call is not reviewable under the rules.

    4. The sticking point for the Refs is their pension. They’ve even offered to accept a grandfather deal in which the current Refs would keep their pensions and all new Refs would receive the 401k the league wants to give them.

    5. Yes, the real Refs are human and have made some mistakes. Not this many at this level however. Oh, and they’re actually willing to make a call. Where was the head Ref in this case? It was his job to get the other Refs together and come to a consensus decision. He never entered the fray, however, and we were left with one Ref correctly calling it an INT and saying touchback while the other Ref ruled it a TD.

    6. Games are taking this long because too many of the replacements are so afraid of making a bad call that they hesitate to make any call. Way too many conferences and too much uncertainty over the most common calls. All of this leads to chaos on the field. Additionally, the Refs lack of control over these games means way too much after the play bs from players who know they can take advantage of the Refs hesitation.

  63. derekczajkowski says: Sep 25, 2012 11:04 AM

    if they strip the win im done with football forever…regular refs make mistakes too..get over it..packers fans are the biggest whiners ever id know i live there.

  64. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:04 AM

    These refs weren’t even good enough for the Pac10

    Now I see why.

  65. popcrowl says: Sep 25, 2012 11:04 AM

    After further review, these refs (still) suck.

  66. monkeesfan says: Sep 25, 2012 11:08 AM

    It is not possession when the player is in the air – when we look at all the replays, Jennings does not have control of the ball by the time he touches the ground; Tate has his hands already there and takes the ball. The tie always goes to the receiver.

    That it’s the same angles shown is part of the Lamestream Sports Media’s agenda to indict the “replacement” referees.

    As noted in the opening post, this labor dispute is about keeping jobs cushy; it’s also about whether the owners, who are the ones who spend the money to make the money (for all involved) are supposed to be required to spend still more money than they already do.

  67. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:08 AM

    How did the Packers not deserve to win, clown?

  68. prince5000 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:09 AM

    The NFL needs to have full time officials, year round – like the NBA and MLB have. Yes, i know there is only 16 games, but giving all the new rules with player safety I think it is time to hire them year round and in the offseason they study the league, just like coaches do.

  69. salventuri says: Sep 25, 2012 11:09 AM

    I think there’s more to this referee thing than people know about.

    IMO, they should just keep the replacements for now and start training young, smart and in-shape guys immediately as full-time NFL refs and have them ready by next year. I’m tired of these geezer refs with their agenda’s. In many respects, they’re just as bad as the replacements.

  70. killface4prez says: Sep 25, 2012 11:09 AM

    Holy crap people.

    WE GET IT. THE PACKERS DID NOT PLAY VERY WELL LAST NIGHT. This fact does not excuse the officiating travashamockery on the final play.

    Here, try this little mental exercise. It’s not that hard. Just pretend it was YOUR team instead of the eeeeeevil Packers that got jobbed.

    There, now can we all agree that something needs to be done with the amateur ref situation?

  71. TSizzleBallSoHard says: Sep 25, 2012 11:10 AM

    Lets talk about the fact that the ref who called it a TD was right there while the ref who called it an INT was 40 yards away from the play.

  72. sfsaintsfan says: Sep 25, 2012 11:10 AM

    After what Goodell did to the Saints this year with no evidence all I can say to the fans of the other 31 teams is that Karma is a Bitch, and she is called Roger Goodell.

  73. monkeesfan says: Sep 25, 2012 11:12 AM

    Here’s what the NFL should do – fire the “real” referees and only hire those who want to work and aren’t pushing for the cushiness the union wants.

  74. latrainian says: Sep 25, 2012 11:13 AM

    gammynomnom says:
    Sep 25, 2012 10:53 AM

    It does NOT matter if Jennings had his hands on the ball first while he was high in the air. Its not a catch or interception untill your feet hit the ground.

    Tates feet CLEARLY hit the ground first and if he had both hands on the ball by then, it is his ball.

    Its funny to me when people say he was barely touching the ball, yet Jennings, laying on top of him could not pull it from his grasp.

    TouchDown Seahawks. Plain as day.

    ========

    Yes, it certainly was a “plain as day” TD. That’s why everyone in the sports world is still debating it the next morning.

  75. leroysbutler says: Sep 25, 2012 11:13 AM

    Both the owners (and attack dog Goodell) and the NFLRA are at fault. Although I’m pro-union, it’s time to resolve this situation. Here’s my suggestion:

    Fire all the officials, locked out and replacements. Start hiring FULL TIME officials from a pool of Division 1 officials, locked out officials, and competent replacement officials. Pay them well with 401k retirement and require ongoing training and evaluation. Have a pool of trained officials that would replace bad officials that continually score low during game evaluations.

    This is the only way to return the integrity to the game and improve the product at the same time.

  76. monkeesfan says: Sep 25, 2012 11:14 AM

    killface4prez – I already did that in the Patriots game and the missed FGA. That Golden Tate’s play is controversial is only because of the agenda to indict the “replacement” referees.

  77. SOBEIT says: Sep 25, 2012 11:14 AM

    2012 NFL Season *

  78. nyjetsfan08 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:14 AM

    “It does NOT matter if Jennings had his hands on the ball first while he was high in the air. Its not a catch or interception untill your feet hit the ground.

    Tates feet CLEARLY hit the ground first and if he had both hands on the ball by then, it is his ball.

    Its funny to me when people say he was barely touching the ball, yet Jennings, laying on top of him could not pull it from his grasp.

    TouchDown Seahawks. Plain as day.”

    You’re a moron and a troll. You need to get your eyes checked! Jennings had the ball with both hands on his chest, while Tate was lying underneath him with one armed draped over Jenning, grabbing the ball. It was NOT simultaneous catch. You need to watch video of what a simulataneous catch looks like. If both players were clutching the ball and touching both of their chests, then that’s simulatenous catch.

  79. theprocessoflosingmymind says: Sep 25, 2012 11:15 AM

    Or Jennings could have swatted the ball away instead of going for the interception on the LAST play of the game. Man up. Theres no crying in football.

    Don’t like the call? Score more than 12 points against Seattle and this is a non-issue. Maybe Aaron Rodgers could have actually passed for at least one touchdown.

  80. gopack15 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:16 AM

    Its not just the packer/Seahawks game. Its all the other games that replacement refs can not get calls correct. The game is too fast for these guys. They do not have the real understanding of the rules. I think the Monday night game really brings this to a head. There were 3 questionable calls on the last drive. Several bad calls in the game that went both ways.
    As players, and coaches, this is thier life. Its not a game to them. The NFL promotes the integrety of the Sheild mumbo jumbo..To have some incompotent officials making questionable calls is a slap to thier face and the integrity of the game.
    FOR ALL TEAMS.
    As for us fans of the game….I feel we deserve better for what ever team you cheer for.
    Yes the Regular refs do make some bad calls…but not to this degree week in and week out. in several games.

  81. VegasKJ says: Sep 25, 2012 11:16 AM

    Drew Pearson pushed off.

  82. nygiantstones says: Sep 25, 2012 11:16 AM

    I’m so glad this happened (no offense to GB fans). The replacement refs suck and that’s all there is to it. If the NFL is going to place their product on a pedestal and expect us all to worship at the ground of it, then they should be committed to putting the Mother Teresa of products on the field. It’s insulting to anyone’s intelligence that they thought lingerie refs and the like would be capable of reffing an NFL game. The players are the top .1%, so are the coaches, the referees should be as well. The NFL has been completely disingenuous the entire time, basically behaving as if the aluminum pipes could be used for nuclear missile silos. I’m sick of the NFL trying to emulate the government. Give us the sports and remove all the rubbish we have to put up with everywhere else in our lives!

  83. sjs779 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:17 AM

    Gammynomnom: “It does NOT matter if Jennings had his hands on the ball first while he was high in the air. Its not a catch or interception untill your feet hit the ground.

    Tates feet CLEARLY hit the ground first and if he had both hands on the ball by then, it is his ball.

    Its funny to me when people say he was barely touching the ball, yet Jennings, laying on top of him could not pull it from his grasp.

    TouchDown Seahawks. Plain as day.”

    Gammynomnom, Your and idiot. You don’t even understand the rules. The receiver must have possession all the way to the ground. If your rule were correct, Calvin Johnson would’ve had a touchdown and the new rule wouldn’t have ever come about. It was in Jennings arms all the way to the ground and Tate had one hand on it. The play was already dead before Jennings was on top of Tate and “won” possession.

  84. packerfanfordecades says: Sep 25, 2012 11:18 AM

    We saw about 5 camera angles last night before the extra point was kicked. All of them were either inclusive or clearly showed it was a INT.

    Jennings was in control of the ball.

    If I reach around with one hand and hold a guy’s wallet in his back pocket, that’s not simultaneous possession.

    I just saw another story where out of about 46,000 votes, only 11% agreed with the call. You can get 11% of the people to agree with anything.

    I think the league office should avoid the simultaneous possession subject, throw a late flag on the offensive pass interference, and reverse the outcome of the game. Anything less than that isn’t fair and can’t remain unfixed, IMHO. I think that the NFL should risk disappointing the 11% vote group and fix this one. You’d have lots of postive reaction from the bigger vote group.
    .
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  85. jackychilds says: Sep 25, 2012 11:18 AM

    Why didn’t the head ref get his group together to talk about why one ref signaled TD and one ref signaled INT?????

    Why did the ref who signaled TD have preference over the ref who signaled INT????

  86. noeffinway says: Sep 25, 2012 11:18 AM

    This doesn’t even come close to evening things up with all the favorable calls GB has gotten at lambeau over the last umpteen years. I’m LOVIN’ it!!!!!!!!!!
    We finally have no favoritism in the reffing ranks!

  87. mjdkid100 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:20 AM

    Anyone who thinks that wasnt an interception is either a Seahawks fan, or not very smart. Tate’s hand comes off the ball leaving him with just one hand inbetween Jennings grabbing it with both.

    Clear. As. Day.

    Dont even get me started on the Offensive PI NON-call, on the guy eventually ruled to have made the catch.

  88. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:21 AM

    Dilfer on Herd right now. Said he was 10 yards away with a clear view, and he and Young couldn’t believe what transpired. Said the ref who called the TD was in no position to even make the call. Enough said.

  89. hoosiermizuno says: Sep 25, 2012 11:21 AM

    Roger Goodell is going to give all the fans the finger and then kiss his bicep.

    He knows no one will quit watching and the money will continue to pour in.

  90. lionsplayoffs says: Sep 25, 2012 11:21 AM

    If the NFL even tries to spew some condescending BS about how that play was anything except an interception, fans should boycott.

  91. donnymacjack says: Sep 25, 2012 11:24 AM

    This was simply the straw that broke the camels back. There were many or bad calls and non-calls in this game, each of them would have had an impact on how the final minutes played out.

    Beyond that, there have been other games won/lost on bad calls. Think Vinny Testeverde’s helemt being mistaken for the ball and called a TD thereby giving the Jets a victory over the Seahawks in the playoffs and ushering in the replay era. Then think of Ed Hoculi’s mistake in the Denver game. Mistakes happen sadly enough.

  92. bolts0621 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:24 AM

    Hey – Lets get Regular Ref Ed Hochuli on ESPN to explain how Refs should never impact a game!

    Come on – this stuff happens every year – suck it up Packer fans!

  93. brownsfrown says: Sep 25, 2012 11:25 AM

    Sheez! Why can’t my Browns get a break like the Seahawks got? Might be their only hope for winning a game this year!

  94. muskyhunter2542 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:25 AM

    No he wasnt… Ive seen that play 1 million times and he wasnt over. Your mind lets you see what you want to see.
    He wasnt over the LOS

  95. nostalgic1988 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:25 AM

    The statement will read…..(In an officiating audible) Holding on Jerry Jones…

  96. theravenlives2 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:26 AM

    I say Goodell should hold a press conference and explain everything that is going on. From updates on Bounty-Gate, to where they are on negotiations with the refs, to how the FG in the Ravens Pats game was good, and also to what happened last night.
    =================================
    Hey, you’re right. I mean there was only an official under the upright looking STRAIGHT UP at the kick in the Ravens-Patriots game, but I’m sure you’re a much better judge than he is and had a much clearer view from your couch a thousand miles away. Or the NFL is out to screw the Patriots, right. Come on, dude. Quit crying!

  97. weepingjebus says: Sep 25, 2012 11:27 AM

    We’ve taken to calling this the Season of Lies. You can’t believe the calls, you can’t believe the standings, and you sure can’t believe your own eyes. The entire thing has been compromised.

  98. wcdunkenfield says: Sep 25, 2012 11:29 AM

    Funny about all these people who will stop watching the NFL due to this little controversy.

    I predict the NFL tv ratings will not twitch even one ten-thousandth of a point.

    And, BTW, this is not just Goodell’s fault. This is Goodell and the owners, all sitting in that little clown car that rolls out every once in a while.

    “Panem et circenses”

  99. geniusesq says: Sep 25, 2012 11:29 AM

    The game was exciting, but the NFL has to really get their act together. The amount of money in dispute is well worth the integrity of the game.

    It’s getting ridiculous.

  100. papasteeler says: Sep 25, 2012 11:29 AM

    Does this make you Seahawk fans feel better for the so called blown calls in the super bowl?!? To watch Pete Carol jump around like a three year old and celebrate that bulls#@t win made me sick!! I never thought I’d say this but these so called officals are actually worse than the regular refs!!

  101. vegasvinnie says: Sep 25, 2012 11:31 AM

    Mary Jo White will say that the video shows that it was a TD.

  102. richndc says: Sep 25, 2012 11:31 AM

    One bad call did not cause them to lose? Obviously you have never played. To say that it did not is to suggest that if the Packers were truly a better team, they would not have been in that position, which is a pathetically idiotic regurgitation of circular logic used for a long time against people who complain about the officials. This called singularly changed the final score. Period. End of story. We have become immune to bulls*it and spin from watching too much political talk on TV. Its like all these know-nothing idiots going on about 8 sacks in the first half. Think this through and quit trying to pretend you are smarter than you actually are.

  103. zn0rseman says: Sep 25, 2012 11:32 AM

    I strongly disagree. The old officials were horrible too. They missed just as many calls as the replacements. The difference is that the union players and union media hate the replacements and want their union buddies back on the job. Me, I’m still bitter about the old refs rigging the 2009 NFC Championship. Those punks can stay home and rot for all I care.

  104. refshavegottogo says: Sep 25, 2012 11:33 AM

    Protesting TV wont work. I don’t know what you people do not understand about this. Ratings are determined by Neilson boxes. There are about 25000 of these in the ENTIRE country. 25000 out of 300+million people. If you don’t have one it doesn’t matter what you do because they will never know.

    No to protest you have to do it AT the games.

  105. marklanderson says: Sep 25, 2012 11:36 AM

    Bottom line: The answer isn’t getting the old refs back. The NFL needs to change the way games are officiated. Let’s upgrade the system instead of complaining about bad calls. The technology already exists to reduce human error and restore integrity to the game.

  106. sclement65 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:36 AM

    Many fans around the league said the Saints should stop whinning and take their punishment. I can only say to them to stop whinning about last night’s loss and remember that you loved goodell just a few weeks and months ago when he was handing out suspensions to he Saints with no proof.

  107. monkeyhuey says: Sep 25, 2012 11:36 AM

    re: 3. The play was reviewed by a non-scab/non-NFLRA replay official.

    the replay official was limited on what he could do. he cannot review possession on a mandatory scoring review. this rendered him essentially powerless since the ball was caught. therefore he could not overrule the call on the field. that is why the call on the field stuck despite being reviewed.

    the bad ruling was made on the field. when two officials make differing calls on a play, the ref on the field must make the executive decision and choose one to be the “official” ruling on the field. He chose the touchdown call as the official ruling. obviously this was the incorrect call.

    what is more puzzling is why Tate’s shove of Shields did not constitute Offensive pass interference. all of the officials missed that call!

  108. earpaniac says: Sep 25, 2012 11:37 AM

    As a Bears fan, all I have to say is “Don Majkowski was over the line of scrimmage.”
    -Gor76

    This is the first thing I thought! That, and all those stupid, “After further review, the Bears still suck.” tshirts I’ve seen over the years. And then I thought about karma.

  109. dickmac says: Sep 25, 2012 11:38 AM

    nflovercollegefb says: Sep 25, 2012 11:01 AM

    I wish you guys were even half as upset over the President calling the murder of 4 Americans in Libya “bumps in the road”.

    Evidently, the poster watches too much Fox News and Rush – the statement wasn’t referring to the loss of life, but to the unrest in the Mid-East.

    Time for Roger to apologize, and seal the deal with the officials union.

  110. richndc says: Sep 25, 2012 11:38 AM

    Bottom line: this situation is screwing up our games, what the corporate azz-clowns call their product. From our perspective, they dont seem to care because if the current infallible NFL popularity. Those that make their living off this explosive wave, want to continue to ride it, so they often will not say what they know we all feel.

  111. olcap says: Sep 25, 2012 11:39 AM

    It’s time for US to go out on strike, which means a boycott of the NFL until such time as they see fit to BRING BACK THE REAL OFFICIALS!

    Tired of you and your crap Goodell.

  112. shiftyshellshocked says: Sep 25, 2012 11:39 AM

    Ladies and Gentlemen your division leading Minnesota Vikings. You got to love it!

  113. rocketcrab says: Sep 25, 2012 11:42 AM

    People, people, people…………..we’re missing the essential point in all of this – just how ugly the Seahawks unifroms are!!

  114. dkhhuey says: Sep 25, 2012 11:43 AM

    Wow – to hear all of the announcers and fans pissing and moaning about how bad the replacement refs are really sounds no different than all of the announcers and fans pissing and moaning about how bad the refs were last year, and the year before that, and the year before that all the way back to when football began. If your team has to rely on a outcome of a penalty call then you had already lost the game prior to the call. Suck it people and move on to the next game.

    Sorry, the real refs have completely overstepped their boundries by demanding full time pay and benefits for a part time gig.

  115. dvdman123 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:44 AM

    Oh Packer fans enough is enough please quit the crying and get ready for the Saints. Now those got screwed big time for an ENTIRE SEASON. At least you guys have a Head Coach and GM.

  116. thewizardofbs says: Sep 25, 2012 11:44 AM

    I hold Miami Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland completely responsible for this mess!

  117. kevpft says: Sep 25, 2012 11:44 AM

    I seem to have been blocked from making this comment before, but let’s try it again and see if it works.

    The big issue, to me, isn’t whether replacement officials get calls right.

    It’s how awful their presence is revealing the players and coaches of the NFL to be.

    With the replacement refs on the field, it’s been a disgusting display of everyone trying to get away with everything they can, with no shame. Cheap hits, illegal moves, pressuring the refs on calls/timeouts/challenges – it’s been appalling to watch how pathetic and blatantly dishonest so many players and coaches are, when given the slightest chance.

    This isn’t the No Fun League – it’s the No Fair-play League. Sportsmanship and character seem to be dead in this game. Maybe it has been for a while now, and that’s been covered up by the refs keeping it in check.

    I think this season of football has been the most awful and depressing I’ve ever seen, and it’s all on the players and coaches. Who wants to watch a bunch of cowardly cheats?

  118. monkeesfan says: Sep 25, 2012 11:45 AM

    Actually the bottom line is the agenda to indict the “replacement” refs is what’s driving this controversy. The wave of protest for the Packers is entirely based on hatred of the “replacement” refs and is not driven by any objective analysis, which would say Tate got the ball, Jennings never established control of it, and the tie (which it was) goes to the receiver. Always. PLUS it was reviewed and upheld by a non-replacement official. Golden Tate is being denied the chance to enjoy one of the greatest plays ever seen because people so hate “replacement” refs that they want to call the call wrong when it was not wrong. The touchdown call was correct.

  119. simplesimon1 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:46 AM

    Packers fans….. You may have gotten screwed last night… move on soon and go beat the Saints… All you can do

    I remember how many of the same fans today freaking about yesterday were the same ones calling Lions fans whiners over the “Calvin Johnson no-catch” a couple years ago and the same ones calling the Vikings fans whiners when the Saints “beat” the Vikings in the NFC championship game a couple years ago. Not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot, hey?!!!

    Suck it up…. Move on…. The game should not be changed, it is done…. Not like anybody is running away in the NFC right now…. Just go play another day and use this as motivation

  120. keeppounding says: Sep 25, 2012 11:51 AM

    Interception Green Bay. Putting both your hands on the ball while it’s intercepted and tucked is not simultaneous possession.

    -Panthers fan

    Starting to feel like these games are rigged. Just saying.

  121. psuravens19 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:54 AM

    I’m a huge Ravens fan and season ticket holder and don’t miss a snap of any of their games. With that being said, the way the NFL is run, I have stopped watching all the games like I used to; once the Raven game is over, I turn something else on. I know that isn’t going to cause the NFL to go into financial troubles, but if enough fans start doing the same they might see a decline in ratings, revenue, etc.

  122. njsteelersfan says: Sep 25, 2012 11:55 AM

    This play should of been blowed dead way before the pass for a block in the back and noless the pushoff in the end zone the knocked the Def player down and so on and so on

  123. bigbeefyd says: Sep 25, 2012 11:55 AM

    Drew Brees demands an explanation.

  124. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:57 AM

    dickmac says: Sep 25, 2012 11:38 AM

    “Time for Roger to apologize, and seal the deal with the officials union.”

    It’s time for Roger to resign, and take the walk of shame into history as the worst commissioner in football history.

  125. badboyken says: Sep 25, 2012 11:57 AM

    Hey did you all hear?!?!? The Seattle Defense held the HIGH POWERED Green Bay offense to just 12 POINTS! Bad calls made on both sides and Aaron Rodgers said it best, “We should not have been in that position in the first place.” Sorry to the Packer fans it had to end like this. Reminds me of the Steelers-Seahawks Super Bowl, oh wait, those were the real NFL Officials.

  126. njsteelersfan says: Sep 25, 2012 11:58 AM

    And to all the ppl that think this is Goodells doing your wrong its the owners rules committee that deals with this God is only the middle man in this one he has no say in it at all

  127. gdjim2 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:01 PM

    If the fans really want to get their voice heard UNLIKE and UNFOLLOW the NFL on FB and Twitter temporarily until the ref issue has been resolve. Currently NFL has 6.3 million fans in FB and 3.8 in Twitter. I would say dont watch the games but that wouldn’t have an immediate impact nor people will actually boycott watching the NFL games. Spread the word to all Football fans so we can have our Football back!

  128. killface4prez says: Sep 25, 2012 12:01 PM

    refshavegottogo says: Sep 25, 2012 11:33 AM

    “Protesting TV wont work. I don’t know what you people do not understand about this. Ratings are determined by Neilson boxes. There are about 25000 of these in the ENTIRE country. 25000 out of 300+million people. If you don’t have one it doesn’t matter what you do because they will never know.”

    ——————————–

    Slightly off topic (well, more than slightly) but this is simply not true. Most cable providers can and do record your TV watching habits if you have digital cable and a DVR.

  129. drasarp says: Sep 25, 2012 12:02 PM

    Commissioner Roger Goodell says, “its the integrity of the game that must not be diminished” and that player safety is of paramount importance. Yet, in order to break the game official’s union, he and the owners are glad enough to completely disregard the integrity of the game and the safety of the players. How? By putting unqualified and incompetent replacement officials on the field. That is, officials who have neither enough knowledge nor enough experience nor enough understanding of the professional game to control play or protect the players. (Think – Lingerie League officials)

    In essence what Goodell and the owners are doing is defrauding the fans and viewing public, in my opinion. They say they are offering officially sanctioned NFL football as their product when what they are now putting forth (by shamelessly using these replacement officials) is a disorderly, confusing and ruleless scuffle! In a word, what Goodell and the owners are doing is a sham.

    Because the fans are addicted and have to get their weekly football fix, they are putting up with the sham. Everyone is accepting these uncontrolled scuffles as the real deal. Goodell and the owners are laughing all the way to the bank; integrity of the game and player safety be damned. And, the Packer fans are miserable and crying “FOUL!”

    As for me, I’ll resume watching NFL football when the dispute between Goodell and the game officials is resolved. That is, when the regular officials are back on the field and the real game of NFL football resumes. Until then, I’m not letting myself be duped. I’ll watch some honest entertainment like a good movie.

  130. righton989 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:03 PM

    On Feb 2010 the NFL owners gave Goodell a new five-year contract. The contract expires in Mar 2015.

    At the time, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, a member of the league’s compensation committee said, “I think we’re confident that Goddell and his team will do what’s for the best long-term interest of the league.”

    And Falcons owner Arthur Blank, who chairs the compensation committee said, “I speak on behalf of 32 NFL club owners in saying we are fortunate to have Roger Goodell as our commissioner.”

    Blank continued with, “NFL ownership recognizes his already significant list of accomplishments and is fully behind his strategic vision for the future of our league.”

    Other members of the compensation committee are: Tom Benson (New Orleans), Pat Bowlen (Denver), Jerry Richardson (Carolina) and Stephen Ross (Miami).

    The owners, through Goodell, knowingly hired incompetent people to determine the outcome of games and they are only ones who can bring back the real deal refs.

    Give your respective team owners heat and maybe, just maybe, we can get the real deal refs back before more damage is done.

  131. navyeoddavee9 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:05 PM

    i think if this game in in GB, the call gets reversed, i think the refs were intimidated by the Seattle crowd. they reverse the call=Riot.

  132. borderline1988 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:07 PM

    TSizzle:

    The ref who called the INT was right behind them..are you sure you’re talking about the same game?

    Ultimately, I think that both refs made a call, and the head ref just figured that they’ll look at replay to ensure the call was correct. Except that simultaneous possession isn’t reviewable, which is why it couldn’t be reversed. The refs couldn’t award possession after the fact to Jennings. So the only question was whether the pass was complete or incomplete. And it obviously wasn’t incomplete…

    Something else that people are not understanding…simultaneous possession is defined as having ‘joint control’ of the ball. Per NFL rulebook: “It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an
    opponent subsequently gains joint control.”

    It doesn’t matter if Jennings’ feet hadn’t touched the ground yet. He had control initially and throughout, so the fact that Tate may have gotten another hand in there upon hitting the ground doesn’t matter.

    Note that control isn’t decided when a player’s feet hits the ground. The rule of 2 feet hitting the ground is for deciding if there is a catch or not. The NFL rulebook says that a receiver must retain control throughout the process of hitting the ground (i.e. when 2 feet are down). Control therefore starts initially.

    End of story. Bad call. It shouldn’t be overturned, but hopefully it will induce an agreement between the refs union and the NFL>

  133. packerfantastic says: Sep 25, 2012 12:07 PM

    Somebody should do an investigation into whether any of the officials in the game last night have ties to Vegas gambling that may have affected how they called the game.

  134. packerfantastic says: Sep 25, 2012 12:15 PM

    gammynomnom says: Sep 25, 2012 10:53 AM

    It does NOT matter if Jennings had his hands on the ball first while he was high in the air. Its not a catch or interception untill your feet hit the ground.

    Tates feet CLEARLY hit the ground first and if he had both hands on the ball by then, it is his ball.

    Its funny to me when people say he was barely touching the ball, yet Jennings, laying on top of him could not pull it from his grasp.

    TouchDown Seahawks. Plain as day.

    ————————-
    Did you not watch the post game analysis. I did not hear one commentator say it was even remotely close to the right call.

  135. shiftyshellshocked says: Sep 25, 2012 12:15 PM

    So much fun rubbing it in today. Get over it chumps. Isn’t that what you told us after ’09 NFC Championship game. Skol Vikes!

  136. pologroundsvet says: Sep 25, 2012 12:21 PM

    Whatever this “explanation” is going to be, it’s probably going to be entertaining. Even Clarence Darrow could not defend the indefensible with a staright face. I don’t know how to bring the lockout to an end but the whole mess has gotten beyond endurance.

  137. dickmac says: Sep 25, 2012 12:28 PM

    Several posters have mentioned “refs” in last night’s game. There is only ONE “ref”, who supervises the other officials during the course of an NFL game.

  138. theblowtorchreview says: Sep 25, 2012 12:28 PM

    Upon further review, the runner did not touch second base……..TOUCHDOWN CELTICS!!!!!!

  139. wludford says: Sep 25, 2012 12:35 PM

    I’ve looked at the hail mary play in slow-motion and stopped it right when the ball hit their hands. Jennings had two hands on the ball, and Tate had one (between Jennings chest and the ball) and then the other one as they came down to the ground.

    It was clear that Jennings had more control of the ball than Tate, with it up close to his chest, but Tate still had his hands on it, and Jennings was not able to tear it away from him.

    We know that the rule says simultaneous possession goes to the passing team. But is that simultaneous possession?

    If you had to prove that Tate did not have any possession whatsoever for it not to be simultaneous possession, that’s a hard case to make.

    Tate committed unquestionable offensive pass interference prior to that, which could have easily been called, but frequently is not on hail mary plays.

    Other questionable calls at best include the PI call on Shields a couple plays earlier, and a call against Seattle that allowed the Packers to continue what turned out to be a touchdown drive.

    Bottom line, up until the hail mary pass, the bad calls were about even in their effects on each team. And you could make a case either way for the hail mary possession.

  140. squeakywheeler says: Sep 25, 2012 12:38 PM

    Nothing but bad calls this season affecting all kinds of games. The end of the Vikes game was terrible too – allowing Jim H to bully the refs into a few extra challenges. I can only imagine the backlash locally if it would have cost the purple the game for example. Bad calls, missed spots, terrible flow of the game, no control, not knowing the rules, and many more blunders.

    Because of the Sabol family we the fans have the best looks at all these bad calls and yet the NFL always comes out and defends these bad calls even though they know they’re not fooling anyone.

    Way to honor the shield, the fans who support the game and the Sabol family as well with their lifelong work giving us all the evidence to see this garbage unfold – all while Goodell and the owners continue to say there’s nothing troubling about this. Regardless of the labor situation & who’s wrong or right – get it figured out. This isn’t football anymore – not the game I grew up loving anyway. Signed – just sports fan without team bias.

  141. simplesimon1 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:40 PM

    borderline1988:

    “Note that control isn’t decided when a player’s feet hits the ground. The rule of 2 feet hitting the ground is for deciding if there is a catch or not. The NFL rulebook says that a receiver must retain control throughout the process of hitting the ground (i.e. when 2 feet are down). Control therefore starts initially.”

    Not true. Sorry but you’re changing the wording here. First touch and control are not the same thing. It actually does matter who does and does not have control when feet hit the ground. It doesn’t matter that one player had two hands on the ball and one had only one hand on the ball. It actually was a lot closer than people are letting on right now. It actually is who has control when both players have gone through the process, not who touches the ball first, otherwise, in your example, Green Bay could lose control and Tate would still not have a TD…. It opens up way too much grey area.

    Now, that being said, I can see the play both ways. I probably would have said INT, but not because of the improper explanation of the rules you just said.

  142. FinFan68 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:40 PM

    I think it was a bad call and the Packers got hosed. That said, the call was not as cut and dried as everybody is claiming. The refs claim that both players had possession and the replay would have to be indisputable to reverse it. There is an argument to be made that Tate also had the ball (but to me it looked like the Packer player had more control) Had the opposite been called on the field that wouldn’t have been reversed either. The main issue I have is that the refs were not in an adequate position to make the call immediately. Maybe the regular guys would have been better positioned but they could have easily made the same call as well. When the ref gets there late it looks like the Packer player is pulling the ball away from Tate after they hit the ground…if that is what the official sees it is not ridiculous for the call to be TD.

  143. footballchic777 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:50 PM

    NEEDED THE BS CHANT THAT WAS BEING CHANTED AT THE RAVENS STADIUM SUNDAY! The NFL can no longer claim these guys are “adequate”. They aren’t even close! This is out of hand, and the NFL needs to IMMEDIATLELY lift the lockout, and allow the regular officials to return to their jobs, and continue with negotiations WHILE upholding the integrity of the game!

  144. borderline1988 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:54 PM

    Wludford:

    You’re missing the point. The NFL rulebook says 2 things about simultaneous possession:

    1) Simultaneous possession is defined as joint control.

    2) Simultaneous possession doesn’t occur if one player initially has control, and then afterwards, the second player gains joint control.

    Jennings had control initially, just as you said, when he was in the air. I seriously doubt that Tate having one hand touching the ball is defined as control by anyone. That means Jennings had initial control (note control has nothing to do with having 2 feet on the ground…).

    Thereafter, we can debate if Tate got his second hand in there on the ball, even though it was pressed against Jennings’ chest, just as they were hitting the ground. But it shouldn’t matter anymore, because once one player has control, simulatenous possession cannot occur.

    The whole concept of simultaneous possession is when two players catch the ball at the same time, both of whom have control and are fighting to retain it, throughtout the entire process of the catch. Jennings and Tate didn’t catch the ball at the same time. It’s that simple. Jennings caught it first, and then Tate got his 2nd hand in to jointly control the ball.
    It does not occur when one player has control first, and then the second one gains joint control.

    This wasn’t necessarily a bad mistake by the refs. It could have been hard to see that in game action. But once simultaneous possession was called, it couldn’t be reversed.
    It was a bad call, but I won’t blame the refs for that.

    I will, however, blame the refs for not calling the OPI on Tate right before the disputed catch, or calling Shields on that ridiculous DPI for that 35 yard gain, or the over-turned INT that would have liekly ended the game right there. Those were terrible calls due to incompetent officiating.

  145. borderline1988 says: Sep 25, 2012 1:05 PM

    simplesimon1:

    I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.
    There would be no grey area. If one player has control, and then the 2nd player takes it away completely, that’s a takeaway/completed catch by the 2nd player. The point is, when one player has control and then subsequently, there is joint control, possession is awarded to the first player.

    It does matter if one player has one hand and the other 2. How can you argue that Tate is controlling the ball with one hand?

    And again, nowhere in the NFL rulebook does it mention that control only happens when a player hits the ground. In fact, the rulebook says control must be maintained through the catch and the process of coming to the ground. That clearly indicates that control can be awarded before a player hits the ground.
    Looking at the replay, it seems clear that Jennings caught the ball with 2 hands while in the air, and seemingly maintains (initial) control, considering he brings the ball back to his chest. At that point, Tate doesn’t have control…he only has one hand on the ball, at best.

    I’m not sure what you’re arguing….

  146. fwippel says: Sep 25, 2012 1:22 PM

    I hate to say this, but I find it troubling that there is more public outrage over incompetent referees in our NFL games for one season than there is over incompetent teachers in our failing public schools throughout the nation for decades now.

    Priorities people. I love the NFL, but it isn’t life or death.

  147. RedRuffensor says: Sep 25, 2012 3:11 PM

    Here’s the internal memorandum issued by the NFL office to the owners:

    The world is unfolding as it should, with the owners’ pockets flush with cash. Why pay for competent refs, discipline/fire refs for bad or biased calls or invest in the training, processes and technology that would virtually eliminate bad calls? That only cuts into the bottom line. Remember, no publicity is bad publicity.

  148. khuxford says: Sep 25, 2012 3:36 PM

    Heh…so much for it being unlikely that the NFL would say they got the call right.

  149. monkeesfan says: Sep 26, 2012 10:42 AM

    borderline1988 – you’re missing that establishing control of the ball with one hand is eminently doable (just ask Randy Moss and David Tyree), that Tate did have both hands on the ball, and nowhere does Jennings establish control of the ball – to do that then he has to yank the ball out of Tate’s hands altogether; on the ground he’s still fighting Tate for the ball.

    That’s why it could only be called a simultaneous catch. The call was correct. The controversy stems from the stupid agenda against the “replacement” refs.

  150. monkeesfan says: Sep 26, 2012 10:43 AM

    Also, OPI does not exist in a Hail Mary scenario. Ever.

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