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	<title>Comments on: NFL&#8217;s luck runs out, in a big way</title>
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		<title>By: supermariojosh</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nfls-luck-runs-out/#comment-2025517</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[supermariojosh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 18:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[whitemenace2 says: Sep 25, 2012 3:02 PM

Just like boxing or MMA. If you think the judges are biased or can’t figure crap out, you make sure you don’t leave the game in their hands. If you are winning/ losing by 3 points, you are just asking for them to screw something up.
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The Packers were winning by 5.  They attempted to go up by 7 points, but the replacement officials gave Rodgers a slick K ball for the 2 pt conversion.  The Packers didn&#039;t leave it in the refs hands by intercepting Wilson.  Bogus penalty overturned it.  They didn&#039;t leave it in the refs hands by playing stellar pass defense.  Bogus penalty negated that.  They didn&#039;t leave it in the refs hands by intercepting the final pass of the game.  Bogus replay call overturned that.  What more do you want?

I&#039;ll say one more time that I truly believe the calls will even out, and the Pack will be the beneficiary of a terrible call sometime soon - but in this specific case, don&#039;t try to claim the Packers could have done more.  They played very good football against one of the NFL&#039;s elite defenses in the second half.  Come on, man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whitemenace2 says: Sep 25, 2012 3:02 PM</p>
<p>Just like boxing or MMA. If you think the judges are biased or can’t figure crap out, you make sure you don’t leave the game in their hands. If you are winning/ losing by 3 points, you are just asking for them to screw something up.<br />
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The Packers were winning by 5.  They attempted to go up by 7 points, but the replacement officials gave Rodgers a slick K ball for the 2 pt conversion.  The Packers didn&#8217;t leave it in the refs hands by intercepting Wilson.  Bogus penalty overturned it.  They didn&#8217;t leave it in the refs hands by playing stellar pass defense.  Bogus penalty negated that.  They didn&#8217;t leave it in the refs hands by intercepting the final pass of the game.  Bogus replay call overturned that.  What more do you want?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say one more time that I truly believe the calls will even out, and the Pack will be the beneficiary of a terrible call sometime soon &#8211; but in this specific case, don&#8217;t try to claim the Packers could have done more.  They played very good football against one of the NFL&#8217;s elite defenses in the second half.  Come on, man.</p>
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		<title>By: doubleogator</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nfls-luck-runs-out/#comment-2024895</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[doubleogator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Green Bay got robbed, Yes Roger Goodell is a dictator, but if you&#039;re in Green Bay and you feel ripped, try being a Saints fan this year....maybe then you won&#039;t feel so bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Green Bay got robbed, Yes Roger Goodell is a dictator, but if you&#8217;re in Green Bay and you feel ripped, try being a Saints fan this year&#8230;.maybe then you won&#8217;t feel so bad.</p>
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		<title>By: nflnmlb</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nfls-luck-runs-out/#comment-2024249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nflnmlb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 03:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Goodell is destroying the NFL franchise value.   Can the owners be so focussed on destroying the ref union that they would sacrifice the value of the NFL name to do it?  They were the #1 sport in this country but not for long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodell is destroying the NFL franchise value.   Can the owners be so focussed on destroying the ref union that they would sacrifice the value of the NFL name to do it?  They were the #1 sport in this country but not for long.</p>
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		<title>By: nflnmlb</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nfls-luck-runs-out/#comment-2024230</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nflnmlb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 03:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At this point the fans have to start a TV boycott of all football games.  It&#039;s not just Monday&#039;s game, did anyone see Sunday night&#039;s game?  The same goes for most of the other games.  If the NFL doesn&#039;t care what the coaches say, the players or even the fans, they might listen to their sponsors who pay the bills and will not be happy to see no one watching their commercials.  How many $Billions does the league need anyway!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point the fans have to start a TV boycott of all football games.  It&#8217;s not just Monday&#8217;s game, did anyone see Sunday night&#8217;s game?  The same goes for most of the other games.  If the NFL doesn&#8217;t care what the coaches say, the players or even the fans, they might listen to their sponsors who pay the bills and will not be happy to see no one watching their commercials.  How many $Billions does the league need anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: omegaichiban</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nfls-luck-runs-out/#comment-2023602</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[omegaichiban]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[his left hand was inside of the DBs&#039;, he tried to strip it with his right, and then put it on the ball as they were falling.  Control in the air wasn&#039;t a factor as both players had to control it through the ground. one ball, four hands touchdown.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>his left hand was inside of the DBs&#8217;, he tried to strip it with his right, and then put it on the ball as they were falling.  Control in the air wasn&#8217;t a factor as both players had to control it through the ground. one ball, four hands touchdown.</p>
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		<title>By: orcahawk</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[orcahawk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hawks fan here.  Three things:

1)  The incident at the end overshadowed a really good game.  Seahawks defense breaking records in the 1st half and the Packers fighting back and taking the lead in the second.  Too bad it got ruined !

2)  The Pack had the ball and the lead with less than a minute left.  One first down and it was game over.  They put themselves in the position for the outcome to happen.  Also Jennings should have swatted the ball away like a well-coached professional player.

3)  My Hawks can make the plays, but they can&#039;t make the calls too.  Don&#039;t trash-talk the players and fans for what Goodell&#039;s flying monkeys have wrought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawks fan here.  Three things:</p>
<p>1)  The incident at the end overshadowed a really good game.  Seahawks defense breaking records in the 1st half and the Packers fighting back and taking the lead in the second.  Too bad it got ruined !</p>
<p>2)  The Pack had the ball and the lead with less than a minute left.  One first down and it was game over.  They put themselves in the position for the outcome to happen.  Also Jennings should have swatted the ball away like a well-coached professional player.</p>
<p>3)  My Hawks can make the plays, but they can&#8217;t make the calls too.  Don&#8217;t trash-talk the players and fans for what Goodell&#8217;s flying monkeys have wrought.</p>
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		<title>By: jeteddy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeteddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I forsee this getting worse if a bad call precipitates a play that causes serious injury.  Just wait.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forsee this getting worse if a bad call precipitates a play that causes serious injury.  Just wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Myron Mesecke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Myron Mesecke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every game I&#039;ve ever seen where the defense and the offense get the ball at the same time and fight over it the call has always gone to the offense.
But somehow since it happened to the Packers it was the wrong call.
I think Green Bay needs some whine with their cheese.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every game I&#8217;ve ever seen where the defense and the offense get the ball at the same time and fight over it the call has always gone to the offense.<br />
But somehow since it happened to the Packers it was the wrong call.<br />
I think Green Bay needs some whine with their cheese.</p>
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		<title>By: jlynch617</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 20:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Packer fan, I have to say there is no way that I expected the NFL to change the outcome of the game, as has been stated before, this is too much of a can of worms to open.

The problem I see is that  they take the time to make a statement and never admit the failure of the officiating. We need to understand that these officials range from HS refs to one that was let go from the Big Ten because of his performance. For those that think this is whinning, listen to the commentators from ESPN and the assesment they give; many of these people have a long history in the NFL and recognize the harm that this type of thing does to the game, players, fans and good officials.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Packer fan, I have to say there is no way that I expected the NFL to change the outcome of the game, as has been stated before, this is too much of a can of worms to open.</p>
<p>The problem I see is that  they take the time to make a statement and never admit the failure of the officiating. We need to understand that these officials range from HS refs to one that was let go from the Big Ten because of his performance. For those that think this is whinning, listen to the commentators from ESPN and the assesment they give; many of these people have a long history in the NFL and recognize the harm that this type of thing does to the game, players, fans and good officials.</p>
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		<title>By: bearfan1985</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bearfan1985]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While they missed the PI call it is not reviewable. If you freeze the frame at the point of the catch there are 4 hands on the ball. The ref in the box that did the review was NOT a replacement ref but a regular official which is why the Green Bay HC did not comment. That is the rules folks. I don&#039;t care about either team, but am not jumping on the band wagon. Sure the refs should be hired back. Separate issue to this call IMHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While they missed the PI call it is not reviewable. If you freeze the frame at the point of the catch there are 4 hands on the ball. The ref in the box that did the review was NOT a replacement ref but a regular official which is why the Green Bay HC did not comment. That is the rules folks. I don&#8217;t care about either team, but am not jumping on the band wagon. Sure the refs should be hired back. Separate issue to this call IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: warnercc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[warnercc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a game, people.  Move on.  There are more important things to worry about then a football game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a game, people.  Move on.  There are more important things to worry about then a football game.</p>
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		<title>By: whitemenace2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[whitemenace2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just like boxing or MMA. If you think the judges are biased or can&#039;t figure crap out, you make sure you don&#039;t leave the game in their hands. If you are winning/ losing by 3 points, you are just asking for them to screw something up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like boxing or MMA. If you think the judges are biased or can&#8217;t figure crap out, you make sure you don&#8217;t leave the game in their hands. If you are winning/ losing by 3 points, you are just asking for them to screw something up.</p>
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		<title>By: cozboogie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cozboogie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s remember that the NFL is in the Entertainment business.  It has progressively gone from being games on Sunday&#039;s (way back in the day) to having the draft televised and games on Sunday, Monday, and Thursday.  

The old saying that &quot;any press is good press&quot; never holds truer.  Would a &quot;normal&quot; Monday night game be splashed all over the interweb?  Would a &quot;normal&quot; game essentially be &quot;front page headline&quot; material.  

While to the fan of the NFL this bad call is a &quot;black eye&quot; on the game, I&#039;m pretty sure that the NFL home office isn&#039;t really fretting too much.  Their sport is getting talked about, it&#039;s a great story arc to the season, and for the pure entertainment aspect of it, it&#039;s wonderful.  

I&#039;m pretty sure advertisers are not threatening to pull their commercials...jerseys are still getting bought.  And while ticket prices for games are simply ridiculous, people are still gonna watch the games at homes, bars, etc.  

In 2 weeks this will be forgotten...hell, in about 3 days this will have been forgotten.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s remember that the NFL is in the Entertainment business.  It has progressively gone from being games on Sunday&#8217;s (way back in the day) to having the draft televised and games on Sunday, Monday, and Thursday.  </p>
<p>The old saying that &#8220;any press is good press&#8221; never holds truer.  Would a &#8220;normal&#8221; Monday night game be splashed all over the interweb?  Would a &#8220;normal&#8221; game essentially be &#8220;front page headline&#8221; material.  </p>
<p>While to the fan of the NFL this bad call is a &#8220;black eye&#8221; on the game, I&#8217;m pretty sure that the NFL home office isn&#8217;t really fretting too much.  Their sport is getting talked about, it&#8217;s a great story arc to the season, and for the pure entertainment aspect of it, it&#8217;s wonderful.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure advertisers are not threatening to pull their commercials&#8230;jerseys are still getting bought.  And while ticket prices for games are simply ridiculous, people are still gonna watch the games at homes, bars, etc.  </p>
<p>In 2 weeks this will be forgotten&#8230;hell, in about 3 days this will have been forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: nofunleague</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nofunleague]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, the one official or semi-official had a clear view of what was a flagrant offensive pass interference....no call.  And second there was not simultaneous possession of the ball but a wrestling match after they were on the ground.  thirdly, the referee should have seperated the two semu-officials, that were making two different calls and sorted that out, then made a call.  But like the rest od sundays games they had no control.  It&#039;s tough to have control when you don&#039;t know the rules.  Jerry Austin, retired, Ref was in the booth and made the correct call about possesion but of course he doesn&#039;t count.  If I was on that crew I would quit football and realize I don&#039;t belong there.  They have embarrassed themselves, the league, and football as a whole.  And now this same inept crew will be doing the Baltimore games on Thursday.  Can&#039;t wait for the fans to rip these clowns a new a-hole.  What a joke.  The owners need to fire Goodell, NOW]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, the one official or semi-official had a clear view of what was a flagrant offensive pass interference&#8230;.no call.  And second there was not simultaneous possession of the ball but a wrestling match after they were on the ground.  thirdly, the referee should have seperated the two semu-officials, that were making two different calls and sorted that out, then made a call.  But like the rest od sundays games they had no control.  It&#8217;s tough to have control when you don&#8217;t know the rules.  Jerry Austin, retired, Ref was in the booth and made the correct call about possesion but of course he doesn&#8217;t count.  If I was on that crew I would quit football and realize I don&#8217;t belong there.  They have embarrassed themselves, the league, and football as a whole.  And now this same inept crew will be doing the Baltimore games on Thursday.  Can&#8217;t wait for the fans to rip these clowns a new a-hole.  What a joke.  The owners need to fire Goodell, NOW</p>
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		<title>By: kachlucca</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kachlucca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree this is a crisis and a disaster for the integrity of the NFL.  But aren&#039;t the replay booth officials the regular guys who do this job all the time, i.e. not part of the lock-out?  

They didn&#039;t overturn the call.  No &quot;incontrovertible evidence&quot;?  I would assume if the refs on the field ruled it an interception, the replay booth officials would not have overturned that call either.

There is no guarantee the regular refs would have gotten this one right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree this is a crisis and a disaster for the integrity of the NFL.  But aren&#8217;t the replay booth officials the regular guys who do this job all the time, i.e. not part of the lock-out?  </p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t overturn the call.  No &#8220;incontrovertible evidence&#8221;?  I would assume if the refs on the field ruled it an interception, the replay booth officials would not have overturned that call either.</p>
<p>There is no guarantee the regular refs would have gotten this one right.</p>
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		<title>By: giark1</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reverse the game&#039;s outcome?  Has everyone gone crazy?  Live with it, even those of you certain of your view and opinion.   This isn&#039;t exactly life-and-death and even bad calls must sometimes stand.  At any rate, it must be again pointed out that ref calls form a statistical bell curve over a season--with thousands of decisions over hundreds of games, these things even out for all teams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reverse the game&#8217;s outcome?  Has everyone gone crazy?  Live with it, even those of you certain of your view and opinion.   This isn&#8217;t exactly life-and-death and even bad calls must sometimes stand.  At any rate, it must be again pointed out that ref calls form a statistical bell curve over a season&#8211;with thousands of decisions over hundreds of games, these things even out for all teams.</p>
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		<title>By: greg2geez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[greg2geez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. The touchdown call was correct for simultaneous possession.

2.  The offensive PI was obvious in slo-mo replay but in real time on a jump ball in the endzone you won&#039;t get that call 9 out of 10 from ANY official.

What are u going to do when the &quot;real&quot; refs come back and blow calls routinely in the future as they have in the past?  

Congratulations on making everybody Raider fans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. The touchdown call was correct for simultaneous possession.</p>
<p>2.  The offensive PI was obvious in slo-mo replay but in real time on a jump ball in the endzone you won&#8217;t get that call 9 out of 10 from ANY official.</p>
<p>What are u going to do when the &#8220;real&#8221; refs come back and blow calls routinely in the future as they have in the past?  </p>
<p>Congratulations on making everybody Raider fans.</p>
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		<title>By: igglesfan13</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[igglesfan13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No matter what the outcome or how the outcome came to pass you CAN NOT reverse the outcome of a game.  Can you imagine what kind of precedence this would start.  If the NFL starts doing that I will turn to college football.  Mistakes are made by both teams and the official.  What ever the outcome it must stay that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what the outcome or how the outcome came to pass you CAN NOT reverse the outcome of a game.  Can you imagine what kind of precedence this would start.  If the NFL starts doing that I will turn to college football.  Mistakes are made by both teams and the official.  What ever the outcome it must stay that way.</p>
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		<title>By: packerbadger</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holding the player thats holding the ball does NOT constitute dual possession.  I think he may have had a hand on it for a second.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holding the player thats holding the ball does NOT constitute dual possession.  I think he may have had a hand on it for a second.</p>
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		<title>By: naheeshc</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nfls-luck-runs-out/#comment-2021244</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There were many, many bad calls in the game.  It is hard to say that the last bad call decided the game.  

A bad call in the 1st quarter can decide a game.  If the game was another 2 minutes, Seattle could have lost on a bad call.  

The last call did not decide that game though.  The whole thing was a mess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were many, many bad calls in the game.  It is hard to say that the last bad call decided the game.  </p>
<p>A bad call in the 1st quarter can decide a game.  If the game was another 2 minutes, Seattle could have lost on a bad call.  </p>
<p>The last call did not decide that game though.  The whole thing was a mess.</p>
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		<title>By: supermariojosh</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nfls-luck-runs-out/#comment-2021165</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ truthserum4u

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I agree with you for the most part - and like I said, I do honestly believe these (and this call specifically will even out).  I cited the bad calls in that Viking game (and yes, they were bad calls) because I believe that was an example of things evening out from the Dolphin game.  The Packers almost certainly would have won that Dolphin game without the bogus illegal formation play.        

All I&#039;m saying is it&#039;s not a direct comparison, as last night the awful call came on the very last play of the game, when the Packers had literally no ability to respond (outside of Twitter).  While I agree lots of teams have lost games almost directly because of bad calls, it&#039;s rare for events like last night to happen where you can literally pinpoint the one call that irrefutably decided the game.

And again, all that said, I don&#039;t believe they should reverse the call today or anything - and I do think it will even out over the season.  The Packers will get a break sometime in the next 13 games that will likely benefit them to the point where it&#039;s significantly easier to win.  That doesn&#039;t change how bad the calls last night were though.

As for the holding in the second half - I didn&#039;t see it (and maybe I had my Packer fan blinders on, to be fair) - but Clay Matthews gets held every other play and it&#039;s rarely called.  Not to mention that there was a ridiculous amount of holding (again) on that last hail mary play - in addition to the offensive PI non call.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ truthserum4u</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I agree with you for the most part &#8211; and like I said, I do honestly believe these (and this call specifically will even out).  I cited the bad calls in that Viking game (and yes, they were bad calls) because I believe that was an example of things evening out from the Dolphin game.  The Packers almost certainly would have won that Dolphin game without the bogus illegal formation play.        </p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is it&#8217;s not a direct comparison, as last night the awful call came on the very last play of the game, when the Packers had literally no ability to respond (outside of Twitter).  While I agree lots of teams have lost games almost directly because of bad calls, it&#8217;s rare for events like last night to happen where you can literally pinpoint the one call that irrefutably decided the game.</p>
<p>And again, all that said, I don&#8217;t believe they should reverse the call today or anything &#8211; and I do think it will even out over the season.  The Packers will get a break sometime in the next 13 games that will likely benefit them to the point where it&#8217;s significantly easier to win.  That doesn&#8217;t change how bad the calls last night were though.</p>
<p>As for the holding in the second half &#8211; I didn&#8217;t see it (and maybe I had my Packer fan blinders on, to be fair) &#8211; but Clay Matthews gets held every other play and it&#8217;s rarely called.  Not to mention that there was a ridiculous amount of holding (again) on that last hail mary play &#8211; in addition to the offensive PI non call.</p>
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		<title>By: jopalar</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nfls-luck-runs-out/#comment-2021136</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BOYCOTT. It&#039;s the only way the NFL will pay attention. Don&#039;t know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but if so, I am all for it! Do you want to pay as much as you do for this quality of officiating?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BOYCOTT. It&#8217;s the only way the NFL will pay attention. Don&#8217;t know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but if so, I am all for it! Do you want to pay as much as you do for this quality of officiating?</p>
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		<title>By: electstat</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nfls-luck-runs-out/#comment-2021120</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is NOT what the sports media was fearing would happen, this is what they have been begging for since the first preseason game. The announcers and the sports media have been overly critical of every single penalty called, or not called from day one. 

Let&#039;s look at last night from a non-emotional perspective (especially since it doens&#039;t mean anything to the normal viewer anyway). 

Was there pass interference on the last play: Definately. But, both the broadcast former ref admitted that rarely if ever gets called on the final play, and Gruden has said many times that it doesn&#039;t get called...even if he wouldn&#039;t answer Tireco. Would the regular refs have called it PI...debatable, but probably not.

Let&#039;s not forget that GB was the beneficiary of a PI call that was not a PI allowing them to score earlier.

Now for the catch/interception. Here is what I saw: The defender had his hands on the sides of the ball and the receiver had one hand between the defender&#039;s arms under the ball, and the other on top of the ball by the time they hit the ground. That&#039;s a tough call for anyone to make (let alone a nation of sports media begging for a controversial call to happen). The ruling was a simultanious catch. If you actually look at the replay and see the receivers left hand under the ball, it&#039;s understandable to see that call being simultanious. From there, it doesn&#039;t matter if there is instant replay or not. The call can not be overturned. It&#039;s the rule. That rule doesn&#039;t matter who is reffing the game. 

From there, it all got out of control...which is the biggest problem I had. The refs didn&#039;t know what to do, but they also have league representation which must not have known either. 

It&#039;s not like some regulars don&#039;t know what the rules are either. Genius Belichick said he was trying to find out if the field goal was reviewed. By rule, all scoring plays are reviewed. They don&#039;t need to take 10 minutes if the initial review indicates there isn&#039;t enough to overturn the call. 

Gruden last night said that the touchdown should be reviewed. Really? Especially since, once again, all scoring plays are reviewed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is NOT what the sports media was fearing would happen, this is what they have been begging for since the first preseason game. The announcers and the sports media have been overly critical of every single penalty called, or not called from day one. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at last night from a non-emotional perspective (especially since it doens&#8217;t mean anything to the normal viewer anyway). </p>
<p>Was there pass interference on the last play: Definately. But, both the broadcast former ref admitted that rarely if ever gets called on the final play, and Gruden has said many times that it doesn&#8217;t get called&#8230;even if he wouldn&#8217;t answer Tireco. Would the regular refs have called it PI&#8230;debatable, but probably not.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that GB was the beneficiary of a PI call that was not a PI allowing them to score earlier.</p>
<p>Now for the catch/interception. Here is what I saw: The defender had his hands on the sides of the ball and the receiver had one hand between the defender&#8217;s arms under the ball, and the other on top of the ball by the time they hit the ground. That&#8217;s a tough call for anyone to make (let alone a nation of sports media begging for a controversial call to happen). The ruling was a simultanious catch. If you actually look at the replay and see the receivers left hand under the ball, it&#8217;s understandable to see that call being simultanious. From there, it doesn&#8217;t matter if there is instant replay or not. The call can not be overturned. It&#8217;s the rule. That rule doesn&#8217;t matter who is reffing the game. </p>
<p>From there, it all got out of control&#8230;which is the biggest problem I had. The refs didn&#8217;t know what to do, but they also have league representation which must not have known either. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like some regulars don&#8217;t know what the rules are either. Genius Belichick said he was trying to find out if the field goal was reviewed. By rule, all scoring plays are reviewed. They don&#8217;t need to take 10 minutes if the initial review indicates there isn&#8217;t enough to overturn the call. </p>
<p>Gruden last night said that the touchdown should be reviewed. Really? Especially since, once again, all scoring plays are reviewed.</p>
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		<title>By: kfreder</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nfls-luck-runs-out/#comment-2021106</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t forget, everyone, that the Packer&#039;s only touchdown came just a few plays after a bad pass interference call on 3rd and long, so, in effect, the Packers were handed a touchdown by the refs too.  Otherwise, it would have been 4th and long and they would have kicked a field goal.  There were a few bad calls on the last drive, but there were already game-changing calls before that point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget, everyone, that the Packer&#8217;s only touchdown came just a few plays after a bad pass interference call on 3rd and long, so, in effect, the Packers were handed a touchdown by the refs too.  Otherwise, it would have been 4th and long and they would have kicked a field goal.  There were a few bad calls on the last drive, but there were already game-changing calls before that point.</p>
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		<title>By: truthserum4u</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nfls-luck-runs-out/#comment-2021066</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ supermariojosh 

You&#039;re talking about a call made that simply kept a drive alive during a tied game. Those happen quite frequently.  While the Viking game affected actual points being scored or taken away.  If called correctly and the Viking game turns into a Packer loss the Packers don&#039;t make the playoffs so they can&#039;t get to the Super Bowl.

I aslo notice you don&#039;t include the constant holding by the Packers&#039; O-line during the second half.  You&#039;re not going to call all of it, but there was way too much blatant holding that simply had to be flagged and wasn&#039;t.

In any case, every team in the league has lost more than one game due to a bad call or calls, this one included.  But this game doesn&#039;t even hold a candle to some of the games I&#039;ve witnessed over the years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ supermariojosh </p>
<p>You&#8217;re talking about a call made that simply kept a drive alive during a tied game. Those happen quite frequently.  While the Viking game affected actual points being scored or taken away.  If called correctly and the Viking game turns into a Packer loss the Packers don&#8217;t make the playoffs so they can&#8217;t get to the Super Bowl.</p>
<p>I aslo notice you don&#8217;t include the constant holding by the Packers&#8217; O-line during the second half.  You&#8217;re not going to call all of it, but there was way too much blatant holding that simply had to be flagged and wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>In any case, every team in the league has lost more than one game due to a bad call or calls, this one included.  But this game doesn&#8217;t even hold a candle to some of the games I&#8217;ve witnessed over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: jl9830</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As bad a call as it was, you can&#039;t overturn the game result. How many times have teams lost because of bad calls? It happens every week. This was egregiously bad, but still bad nonetheless. Can&#039;t overturn a game based on officiating, because then we&#039;ll get multiple appeals every week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As bad a call as it was, you can&#8217;t overturn the game result. How many times have teams lost because of bad calls? It happens every week. This was egregiously bad, but still bad nonetheless. Can&#8217;t overturn a game based on officiating, because then we&#8217;ll get multiple appeals every week.</p>
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		<title>By: bringingthepain</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/nfls-luck-runs-out/#comment-2020939</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The games outcome had nothing to do with GB giving up 8 sacks, or GB going three and out on the 4 to give the Seahawks the ball with such good field position to attempt that pass, or the GB defender not swatting the ball away instead of letting it go.  Nope, had nothing to do with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The games outcome had nothing to do with GB giving up 8 sacks, or GB going three and out on the 4 to give the Seahawks the ball with such good field position to attempt that pass, or the GB defender not swatting the ball away instead of letting it go.  Nope, had nothing to do with that.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, the outcome of the game should NOT be changed. There has been other games where the NFL has let what happened stay: Music City Miracle. If the NFL changes this game then I expect them to change the outcome of the Buffalo Bills/Tennessee Titans game where it was proven that the pass on the final play was a forward pass and not a lateral pass which gave the Titans the game. The Seahawks/Packers game should be left alone, unless the NFL wants to re-visit and change the Bills/Titans game too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the outcome of the game should NOT be changed. There has been other games where the NFL has let what happened stay: Music City Miracle. If the NFL changes this game then I expect them to change the outcome of the Buffalo Bills/Tennessee Titans game where it was proven that the pass on the final play was a forward pass and not a lateral pass which gave the Titans the game. The Seahawks/Packers game should be left alone, unless the NFL wants to re-visit and change the Bills/Titans game too.</p>
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		<title>By: kcsam76</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, yeah, sure. Give the Pack the win afterwards. While you&#039;re at it, go ahead and give my Raiders the win on the &quot;Tuck Rule&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, yeah, sure. Give the Pack the win afterwards. While you&#8217;re at it, go ahead and give my Raiders the win on the &#8220;Tuck Rule&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: leroysbutler</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Both the owners (and attack dog Goodell) and the NFLRA are at fault. Although I’m pro-union, it’s time to resolve this situation. Here’s my suggestion:

Fire all the officials, locked out and replacements. Start hiring FULL TIME officials from a pool of Division 1 officials, locked out officials, and competent replacement officials. Pay them well with 401k retirement and require ongoing training and evaluation. Have a pool of trained officials that would replace bad officials that continually score low during game evaluations.

This is the only way to return the integrity to the game and improve the product at the same time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both the owners (and attack dog Goodell) and the NFLRA are at fault. Although I’m pro-union, it’s time to resolve this situation. Here’s my suggestion:</p>
<p>Fire all the officials, locked out and replacements. Start hiring FULL TIME officials from a pool of Division 1 officials, locked out officials, and competent replacement officials. Pay them well with 401k retirement and require ongoing training and evaluation. Have a pool of trained officials that would replace bad officials that continually score low during game evaluations.</p>
<p>This is the only way to return the integrity to the game and improve the product at the same time.</p>
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