Comments on: Non-replacements had a hand in last night’s debacle, too

By: droyer85

droyer85 — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:37:18 +0000

The refs are clearly throwing games all around the league and this isn’t the first one. The media is completely ignoring other calls that have changed the outcome of games over the past 3 weeks. A perfect example of that is 2 touchdowns that the officials robbed the Saints of in a game where they lost by 3 points. And I find it very coincidental that there are 2 teams in the NFL that have a player who was involved in the ALLEGED “bounty program” the Browns and the Saints, and both those teams are the only 0-3 teams in the NFL. Very interesting. I am not a Saints or Browns fan, but I do not trust the NFL and I think something very fishy is going on here to say the least. Idk if the NFL is changing the outcome of games to create more parody in the league or what, but there have been way too many controversial calls in EVERY game around the league that have swung momentum or kept drives alive or in this case blatantly changed the outcome. Somethings going on and the media won’t go anywhere near it. Maybe now they will, but like I said, this is not the first bogus outcome of the year.

By: jkcranshaw

jkcranshaw — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:58:05 +0000

For the people that bring up the Hochuli incident, in my opinion that argument doesn’t hold water. Yes Ed screwed up a call, and it affected the outcome of a game… but the replacement refs have been historically bad the past few weeks from start to finish. It’s not a single call that is affecting outcomes, it is a game worth of blown or missed calls that is killing the integrity of the game.

We understand everyone (replacement or locked out refs) make in game mistakes… I feel that overall the Ravens-Pats game is a better example of how bad they are. It wasn’t a single play, single drive, or single quarter that was called poorly. It was the whole game.

In the first quarter alone the refs potentially took 8 points off of the board for the Pats. It was 3rd and 9 from the 19 when Brady threw a pass into the endzone to Edleman. Ed Reed hit Edleman in the face mask with a forearm and nothing was called. That was a classic hit to the head on a defenseless WR. It should have been 1st and goal from the 4, instead it was 4th and 9 from the 19 and the Pats kick a FG. Later in the same quarter Brady (at the 20) connected on a pass to Edleman for a first own at the 11. The Ravens DB never turned to make a play on the ball and had hands on Edleman during the catch. Instead of 1st and 10 at the 11 the Pats would up kicking a FG from the 20.
That game saw over 200 yards of penalties and brutal missed calls.

By: rufustfireflyjr

rufustfireflyjr — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:56:18 +0000

The people who are screaming for Tate to be called for offensive PI must not watch much football, or are looking through green and gold glasses. When was the last time any of you saw ANY referee, replacement or not, call a penalty on a last second Hail Mary? The reason for this is that they are loath to make a call that decides a game, which is what, in effect, they would be doing, rather than have the players decide it with their play.

By: john42pl

john42pl — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:44:05 +0000

According to peter king “Now, as to the replay: Let’s be clear about what can and can’t be reviewed. Simultaneous possession between the goal lines cannot be reviewed. Simultaneous possession in the end zone can be reviewed. That’s an important distinction that many in the media have not made since Elliott went under the hood.”

By: thewizardofbs

thewizardofbs — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:38:15 +0000

One way to stop this is for the players and coaches to boycott the games. If every player on every team refused to take the field for 10 minutes at the start of the game, instead standing on the sidelines with their arms crossed across their chests, it would cause everyone to think about what is happening. For 10 minutes TV screens across the nation would be showing an empty field. Fans in the stands would start chanting. If it is possible to embarrass the NFL owners (and I’m not sure that anyone can embarrass the NFL owners) this would do it. If you agree with this please copy and post this message on every forum you visit.

By: kevpft

kevpft — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:34:50 +0000

Golden Tate is building up a lot of bad football karma – there was last week’s cowardly cheap shot on Sean Lee, and how he gets away with blatant pass interference and a lame imitation of simultaneous possession.

It always comes around, Tate. Time to clean up the act.

By: rodell77

rodell77 — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:32:16 +0000

These refs are in over their heads.There is no question about that.All the owners in collusion with the league to break the union will feel the pain at some point. (Jerry Jones) and I’m a cowboy fan. No one is talking about the blown review of the first and goal that gave GB the 5 point lead. The call on the field was correct. The booth overturned it. It was clear the QB was down even before the original spot. Maybe its the replay refs we should be looking at. How can you look at a play 20 times and still get it wrong. The game should not have come down to that last play. A field goal should have won it for Seattle. The right team won the game.

By: monkeesfan

monkeesfan — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:31:27 +0000

gowhitten nails it – It is NOT possession while you’re in the air.

dragonfly is wrong – Jennings didn’t have secure possession to the ground; Tate had his hands on it. Tie always goes to the receiver.

Remember it was reviewed and upheld.

By: jeffchadwick

jeffchadwick — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:24:15 +0000

What is this “tie goes to receiver” nonsense? This isn’t baseball. Based on the NFL rulebook, a simultaneous reception is darn near impossible.

By: trademarkelane

trademarkelane — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:22:40 +0000

The Packers had so many chances to stop the Seahawks but didn’t, either way the call went the Packers have nothing to complain about except their Defense not stopping the Hawks on the fourth down prior or the 4 following downs….

By: monkeesfan

monkeesfan — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:04:41 +0000

Yes it was simultaneous possession. Jennings didn’t catch the ball; they both did; Jennings never had control of the ball – the tie always goes to the receiver. That’s why when it went to review they had to agree it was a touchdown.

There is no need to make a deal with the NFLRA – they do not have any case, either for the pension they want (because by now it’s too obvious that pensions are economic poison) or for indicting the “replacement” refs. The Seahawks call was the correct call.

By: gowhitten

gowhitten — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:03:39 +0000

Idiot! Jennings cauagth while he was in the air. Posession happens when you hit the ground! At that point, both receivers had posession and it goes to the receiving team.

By: jazzytrav

jazzytrav — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:01:50 +0000

Why not just call it an incomplete pass? Take M.D. Jennings completely out of the equation. Did Golden Tate catch and control the football all the way to the ground and through the catch?

Incomplete pass. Game over.

By: golonger

golonger — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:57:54 +0000

Simulataneous possession my a$$. Anyone with average eyesight can see the Packer caught the ball. So, I guess going forward, if it is intercepted, the other team’s receiver should just hug the player who caught the ball right?….simulataneous possession. The true refs are laughing right now. I could potentially understand making the wrong initial call, but, how can one not review this and clearly see what it was, an interception. Ridiculous.

By: stanklepoot

stanklepoot — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:44:54 +0000

No, Florio, simultaneous catch ISN’T reviewable. Whether or not a catch was made at all is reviewable however, and all scoring plays are now required to be reviewed. So, the real review official was required to take a look at the play, but prevented by the rules from overruling the one thing that actually needed to be overturned. So, all he could really do was take a look at the play and say that a catch had actually been made. The fact that it was Jennings rather than Tate making the catch was something he wasn’t allowed to consider. So, the league screwed the Packers from pretty much every angle on that play.

By: dragonfly99

dragonfly99 — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:30:27 +0000

It is obvious to all non-Seahawk fans, two major mistakes were made on the final play, the obvious offensive pass interference and the secure possession of the football by the defensive player all the way to the ground. Unfortunately these two missed calls cost Green Bay the win. This play will be shown over and over for many years to come as an example of a horrible call. After this weekend the NFL has got to take immediate action to save the integrity of the game. These games are becoming a farce and making the hallowed NFL look like a joke.

By: gowhitten

gowhitten — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:29:49 +0000

Remember Super Bowl XL? The “regular” refs screwed that one up. I say you fire the refs, write off this season, and hire all new professional, full-time refs.

By: mobazinga

mobazinga — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:28:43 +0000

After all, the members of the NFL Referees Association who moonlight as supervisors of officiating at major college conferences made clear that anyone who accepts a short-term assignment as a replacement official with the NFL will lose his regular college gig.

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I have heard this a number of times. However, I haven’t been able to find any articles/reports to substantiate this. While I tend to believe it….has anybody got any links to info on this?

By: branbosc

branbosc — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:24:55 +0000

Come on, people. If just putting two hands on the ball after somebody else pulled it to their chest constitutes a “simultaneous catch,” why wouldn’t every WR and DB just do that on every single play. All you have to do it touch the ball and it’s yours?

Is that the precedent you want set in this league???

By: nyjetsfan08

nyjetsfan08 — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:22:53 +0000

“The rulebook also states when a simultaneous catch is ruled, you can’t review who made the catch. You can only review if it was complete or incomplete.”

Here’s the thing: It wasn’t a simultaneous catch! Jennings had the ball first and he had it on his chest; THEN, reached his arm around the ball, while underneath him on the ground.

Not only was the push off BS — but even the regular refs don’t call that on hail mary passes, fine — the official got it wrong, too. One ref rules a touchdown, and the other rules a touchback. The official should’ve spoken with the refs and got the call right.

The WORST thing is the replay system failed. From what I understand, the replay system can rule if it was a “touchdown”, and that language means, in this case, if the ball was inbounds and the players were inbounds, if there was a catch, not who who caught the ball. That is total BS! The reply system was designed to catch the officiating mistakes and correct them! You mean to tell me the NFL’s replay system can’t be used to make the correct call on a game-deciding play?!? TOTAL BS! They need to change this rule not in the off-season but immediately.

When there is a touchdown and if it’s being reviewed, the replay system should permit the officials to review EVERYTHING on that play, from offensive pass interference, to who caught the ball and had control. There is no excuse for this nonsense!

By: Gravy

Gravy — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:22:30 +0000

If you must watch these games click to cooking shows when the NFL ads come on. Be as public as possible about it.

You do not need a Toyota anyway.

By: branbosc

branbosc — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:22:12 +0000

You don’t have to boycott all games. Watch your own team. Just don’t watch any other* games. That means every person only watches 1 out of 5 possible games. That means an 80% drop in potential viewership. That means tons of lost advertising revenue. That means the NFL could actually be hurt, while people still get to watch their team play each week.

By: Gravy

Gravy — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:19:57 +0000

Crime continues
to pay for Pete Carroll.

By: mrbullgator

mrbullgator — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:15:54 +0000

The problem was the ruling on the field of a Touchdown could not be reversed by the replay unless they decided to call in an incomplete pass which would have been impossible to do. The real refs are taught to make the call so that it can be reversed, like when there is a fumble and the defense picks it up runs it for a score the refs let it play out cause that is a reversible call. Where blowing it dead the defense can challenge and get the ball at the spot of recovery but who says they score? The refs on the field should’ve gotten together, there was clearly confusion as one ref signalled TD and the other was signalling a timeout which means there was an interception.

By: idkid1980

idkid1980 — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:13:57 +0000

Wasn’t it reviewed because it was in the last two minutes of the game? And also because it was a scoring play? Didn’t have anything to do with it being a controversial call.

By: washstnative

washstnative — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:13:37 +0000

For all the complaining the players are doing- why not join their union brothers and walk. That may get the owners checkbooks out faster than all of us complaining.

By: fullbagg

fullbagg — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:11:19 +0000

Oh yeah!

If the Packers had any ……

They would have refused to enter the field.

And if they did, just go offsides over and over again.

By: jking44

jking44 — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:09:30 +0000

this is straight from the nfl website this morning….

The play was reviewed, and the touchdown stood.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 of the NFL rulebook discusses a simultaneous catch.

“If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control,” the rule states.

That strongly indicates Jennings should have been awarded an interception. Tate never seemed to truly gain joint control. A little known part of the rule explains why it wasn’t overturned.

The rulebook also states when a simultaneous catch is ruled, you can’t review who made the catch. You can only review if it was complete or incomplete.

By: metitometin

metitometin — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:03:08 +0000

I am done with the NFL for the year or until the regular refs come back. The Pats were cheated out of a win on Sunday night. This has become an absolute farce. Why watch the game when you know the refs will screw it up in the end? I’m getting way too agitated watching this crap. Pats were screwed on Sunday.

By: endzonepete

endzonepete — Tue, 25 Sep 2012 13:58:35 +0000

The NFL has amended their rule book to include the new Hug Rule.

“Anyone who catches the ball and then is subsequently hugged by an opposing player will immediately lose possession as long as two different refs make two different calls simultaneously and neither of them know what to do.”