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Packers fans protest at Lambeau Field

Packers fans watch their team play the Seahawks during their Monday night NFL football game at Centurylink Field Reuters

The protests have begun from angry Packers fans who are demanding that the NFL end the referee lockout, after a Monday night debacle in which the replacement officials gave the Seahawks a touchdown on the final play — and gave the Seahawks a game that the Packers thought they had won.

A small group of Packers fans turned out at Lambeau Field this morning, holding signs demanding that the regular officials return.

I’m disappointed with the integrity of the game,” Packers fan Tyler Detke told the Green Bay Press-Gazette as he stood outside the stadium holding a sign denouncing the NFL.

With fans holding up signs with slogans like “We were robbed in Seattle,” cars driving by on Lombardi Avenue honked their horns in support.

“We’re trying to get the refs back. With the refs that we have now, they’re not qualified to do the job like the other refs are. They’re high school and college officials,” Packers fan Seth Wagnitz said. “We really need the refs back because now it has cost us a game and that shouldn’t be happening.”

A protest in Green Bay will obviously be met with support, but the people who need to make the decisions to end the lockout aren’t in Green Bay. So far, there’s been no indication that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is listening to the fans.

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162 Responses to “Packers fans protest at Lambeau Field”
  1. tatatoothy says: Sep 25, 2012 10:13 AM

    I hope these people didn’t take the day off from work for this

  2. jimr10 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:13 AM

    Publish The league off ice phone number.. if everyone that is as pissed off as i am will call. maybe the coward commissioner will come forward… i usually support him.. but not this time.. he is a coward if he does not come before the paying public and explain..

  3. peopletrains says: Sep 25, 2012 10:13 AM

    I am trying to determine if I am more embarrassed being a Packers fan knowing this is happening or if I would be more embarrassed being a Dolphins fan knowing that absolutely nothing would be happening.

  4. reesesteel23 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:13 AM

    And it begins…

  5. harrisonhits2 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:13 AM

    The Packers had what, 5 drives in the first half that ended with punts ?

    If they had done their job the call by the officials would have been meaningless. The officials didn’t cost the Packers the game, the Packers did by playing poorly.

  6. prospero63 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:14 AM

    Goodell is listening to the fans, he’s just not listening to the media hype.

  7. dgrowe213 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:14 AM

    That TD to Tate pushed me ahead in my fantasy league… just barely inched out a victory.

  8. benh999 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:14 AM

    It was originally planned as a protest against indoor plumbing.

  9. geauxjay says: Sep 25, 2012 10:14 AM

    Again, it’s hard for me to feel sorry for the Packers.

    Try playing this season without a coach, interim coach, GM, and second round pick.

    And they can’t even definitively prove why.

  10. justafanofitall says: Sep 25, 2012 10:15 AM

    Get over it….you’ve won games in the past because of bad regualar refs. What about Woodson getting away with interference or bad interference call on Seahawks on GB TD drive. Can’t have it both ways.

  11. seattlerogueburner says: Sep 25, 2012 10:15 AM

    If I was in Green Bay, I’d be right there with them.

    – A Seahawk Fan

  12. zaggs says: Sep 25, 2012 10:15 AM

    Hmm, in 2003 when the “real” NFL refs screwed over the Giants, I don’t recall Giants fans making protests.

  13. bearssth says: Sep 25, 2012 10:16 AM

    they’re not fans, they’re “shareholders” so they are protesting themselves.

  14. The Prophet says: Sep 25, 2012 10:16 AM

    “We’re used to the refs GIVING us every call, not hurting us! Bring back the old refs at once!!!”–Packers and their fans.

  15. FoozieGrooler says: Sep 25, 2012 10:16 AM

    A bad call decided a game?

    OK, everybody act surprised, like you didn’t see this coming…

  16. jhein23 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:16 AM

    I honestly think its time people step up and say fire Roger Goodell. He is no Pete Rozelle or Paul Tagliabue. FIRE GOODELL

  17. checkitd0wn says: Sep 25, 2012 10:17 AM

    Wow, get a life people. Packer fans are hands down the most unintelligent, overweight, classless fans in maybe all of sport. I all most feel bad because these fat losers have no life, so this game is literally life or death.

  18. jacunn2000 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:17 AM

    Get a real life losers. It is just a football game. You obviously do not have a job.

  19. swellbuilt says: Sep 25, 2012 10:17 AM

    It’s not easy being cheesy.

  20. chargrz says: Sep 25, 2012 10:17 AM

    If the Packer fans want to be upset with someone then they should upset with Jennings for trying to intercept the ball instead of just knocking it down like they coached to do. He was just trying to add to his stats. He knocks the ball down , game over.What other purpose does an interception serve in that situation? Just a stupid and selfish player.

  21. logicalthinkersays says: Sep 25, 2012 10:17 AM

    Get a life Packer fans. If this one game is the difference from making the playoffs, then maybe your team should call it a day.

  22. jhein23 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:18 AM

    The Packers played poorly but still totally outplayed the Seahawks the entire 2nd half on the road in hostile environment.

  23. cheeseheadzone says: Sep 25, 2012 10:18 AM

    There were 3 mistakes in the final drive.

    #1 Obviously the interception ruled TD
    #2 Sam Shields being called for defensive pass interference which wasn’t
    #3 Interception overturned on a phantom roughing the passer call.

    Integrity of the game at stake here.

  24. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:18 AM

    Stop the “what if they had done their job” BS.
    Football is 60 minutes, not 30.
    By rule, simultaneous possession can not be had when another player has it first. And since when is bear hugging a defender considered possession of a ball?

  25. mrvikings says: Sep 25, 2012 10:18 AM

    now they know what its like to be a vikings fan

  26. skoobyfl says: Sep 25, 2012 10:19 AM

    47% of them have everyday off.

  27. 69jaredallen69 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:19 AM

    Yes Packer fans your team got screwed but come on get a life…if you played better the first 59:52 and could protect your QB and maybe run the ball more than 3 times in the first half you might have won handily.

  28. kriswd40 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:20 AM

    No one cared until their team lost. It’s been three weeks of terrible calls.

  29. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:20 AM

    Look what happened when Titans tried to knock the pass down.

  30. mullman76 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:20 AM

    Rodgers was sacked 8x in the 1st half. Enough said.

    Despite the 3rd worst call ever (#1 tuck rule, #2 immaculate deception) the team that deserved to win did. Elite offenses are supposed to score then 12pts. Packers need to look themselves in the mirror before they start barking for appeals and such.

  31. savocabol1 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:20 AM

    I just want to hear what the Commish thinks about the game.

  32. natelifer says: Sep 25, 2012 10:20 AM

    checkitd0wn says: Sep 25, 2012 10:17 AM

    Wow, get a life people. Packer fans are hands down the most unintelligent, overweight, classless fans in maybe all of sport. I all most feel bad because these fat losers have no life, so this game is literally life or death.

    That’s a real intelligent post. And REAL original!

  33. nfl fan says: Sep 25, 2012 10:20 AM

    How about some more whine to go with that cheese?

    Rodgers looked skittish, especially when the invisible man tackled him.

  34. phonymcringring says: Sep 25, 2012 10:20 AM

    Sure it sucks when your team gets jobbed, but get a life.

  35. richndc says: Sep 25, 2012 10:20 AM

    Here is the number 212-450-2027. I am not a Packers fan, but I called and expressed my anger over this idiocy.

  36. greglandry says: Sep 25, 2012 10:21 AM

    It was either protest at Lambeau or another day of watching traffic at the stop light in town.

  37. mjhdmc says: Sep 25, 2012 10:21 AM

    I was at the game, I’m a huge Seahawks fan. Couldn’t tell what actually happened until I got home. HORRIBLE CALL! Win feels dirty and its a bummer what could have been one of the greatest wins in our franchise history was tainted by how it went down. That being said the calls on the Packers TD drive earlier were pure BS and the refs were horrible all night. It’s to bad it went down this way. I was on the bandwagon the real refs can suck it as I as a season ticket holder do not want to pay MORE than I already do as that will be what happens if they get more money but alas we need the real refs back. At least you Packer fans didn’t get robbed of a Super Bowl.

  38. mojosmagic says: Sep 25, 2012 10:21 AM

    Both sides need to get in a room and not leave until a contract is done. Enough is enough is enough!!!

  39. geauxjay says: Sep 25, 2012 10:21 AM

    God, I am so sick of you people playing the “if they would have played better, it wouldn’t have mattered” card.

    Bottom line: they didn’t HAVE to play better to win. They won. And the referees took the game from them. Because Roger and the owners are too stingy. They would make one billion and fifty dollars instead of making one billion period.

    The Saints stunk up the joint Sunday. But that doesn’t mean that the Saints wouldn’t have won in regulation if the referees don’t steal a touchdown from them and Martez Wilson isn’t bear-hugged with no call on the 91-yard run.

    Come on, now. Stop being stupid. You can hate unions and be pro-owner all you want. But defending these people at this point–you’re just being ignorant and embarrassing yourselves now.

  40. thatswhatimsayin says: Sep 25, 2012 10:21 AM

    Both teams got jobbed, the Packers just got jobbed with no time left on the clock.

  41. tombradysbaby says: Sep 25, 2012 10:23 AM

    I officially started my boycott of the NFL Sunday night, and will not watch a game, buy any NFL junk, nor support their sponsors till the NFLPA refs return.

    I spend on average a few thousand a year on tickets, shirts, etc for myself and family. I haven’t spent a dime yet, and nor will I on this season. If more people join me perhaps the owners will finally see the hit on their wallets.

  42. mypasswordisquitesecure says: Sep 25, 2012 10:23 AM

    Goodell wanted to define his term as commissioner through eliminating player discipline problems and improving player safety.

    At this rate, he will have to settle for “the guy who ran the league into the ground by importing officials from the Lingerie Football League.” :)

  43. natelifer says: Sep 25, 2012 10:23 AM

    harrisonhits2 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:13 AM

    The Packers had what, 5 drives in the first half that ended with punts ?

    If they had done their job the call by the officials would have been meaningless. The officials didn’t cost the Packers the game, the Packers did by playing poorly.

    So because it was a close game and not a blowout they deserved multiple bad calls against them? You obviously don’t know much about the sport of football my friend. Keep posting non-sense threads. This isn’t Madden football tough guy.

  44. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:23 AM

    Nice two handed push in the back, Tate! His response when asked about it: “don’t know what you’re talking about”
    Weak!

    Spy gate
    Bounty gate
    Golden gate

  45. ososrule says: Sep 25, 2012 10:23 AM

    Don’t act like classless, rude fans….Karma! Don’t fell bad for you people—-AT ALL!!!!!

  46. dirtysouthironmen says: Sep 25, 2012 10:23 AM

    This and a cup of coffee will get you a cup of coffee.

  47. r8rsfan says: Sep 25, 2012 10:24 AM

    Packers fan – welcome to my nightmare. Signed, Raiders fan. (Immaculate Deception, Tuck Rule, etc.)

  48. raiderlyfe510 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:25 AM

    This old blind real refs would have got the call wrong too. The real refs are worse than the fake ones.

  49. dirtydiapers2011 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:25 AM

    Call roger goodell at 212 450 2027.

  50. cleverbob says: Sep 25, 2012 10:25 AM

    Since Packer fans “own” their team I’m sure they all have Goodell’s personal line on speed dial…

  51. killface4prez says: Sep 25, 2012 10:26 AM

    “harrisonhits2 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:13 AM

    The Packers had what, 5 drives in the first half that ended with punts ?”
    —————–

    Could you possibly craft a more intellectually flaccid argument if you tried?

    Here, let me make your exact argument in reverse. “Seattle had a mere 7 points at that point. They could have scored on any number of other drives throughout the game. They have no right to rely on a hail mary to win the game.”

    So unless a team scores a TD on every offensive possession and is leading 63-0 in the fourth quarter, they have no right to be upset about a galactically bad call to end the game.

  52. rc33 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:27 AM

    Before we all scream in unison (and clearly something has to be done), we need to take a long look at what the referee’s union is demanding. If what Mortenson was saying last night is right, what they’re asking for is absurd and unreasonable. He says the league has already approved raising the average salary from $150K to $189K. They want similar to a teacher’s union scenario where every move has to go thru the union.

  53. iamthefootballjerk says: Sep 25, 2012 10:28 AM

    Fans are being snowed by the media. This whole thing is AS MUCH the real refs fault as it is the Owners or the league. The real ref’s demands are RIDICULOUS for part time employees. Better benefits and pensions than NFL employees? You have go to be serious. They have been talking the last few days without ANY budge from the refs. And the media is making us all believe that the owners should be the ones budging. You all have been turned into SHEEP!

  54. corywilliamson06 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:29 AM

    The argument, “They should have just played better” is a ridiculous stance. They did play better, they made halftime adjustments, they outscored Seattle and put themselves into a position to win. The NFL is a game of inches, always has been. Sometimes games come down to final plays, last second field goals, and hail mary’s. But they should never come down to a poor on-field call. It would not have been a pretty win, but it would have been a win and that’s what matters late in the season.

  55. eepobee says: Sep 25, 2012 10:29 AM

    why don’t they demand the regular refs end the lockout by agreeing to reasonable terms? fully-employer funded pensions for part time employees? really? where else do people get those kind of benefits? if they refs have any integrity, they’ll come back out of obligation to the game. if the don’t, they deserve the blame, not the NFL.

  56. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:29 AM

    Inaccurate Reception!

  57. tmac4454 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:29 AM

    CMON Cheezeheads…let it go. Its only a game..Your team should have beat the sheezy out of the Seahawks by a far margin that what was in reality. Blame your team for letting the Seahawks be that close for a comeback.
    Creating drama about something that happened hours ago.

  58. kabasaman says: Sep 25, 2012 10:29 AM

    I’ve been saying this would happen…….But no, Florio and Rodger are on the same page..

  59. commonsensedude says: Sep 25, 2012 10:30 AM

    “I honestly think its time people step up and say fire Roger Goodell. He is no Pete Rozelle or Paul Tagliabue. FIRE GOODELL”

    It’s funny you say that. I tweeted a message last night with the hashtag #FireGoodell, thinking I was starting a trend. But hundreds of other tweets were already out there that had the same hashtag.

    When I don’t want to see Goodell, I can’t seem to get rid of him. He’s constantly on TV, sending me unwanted emails and handing out fines. But now that everyone wants to hear from him, he’s nowhere to be seen.

  60. travishenryskid says: Sep 25, 2012 10:30 AM

    Are Packers fans protesting the pass interference call that led to their only TD? I didn’t think so. You’re not the only team to lose on a controversial call. Get a life.

  61. kardshark1 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:30 AM

    Fairly easy TD call IMO according to rule interpretation. People are forgetting the Calvin Johnson “must complete the play to be a catch” rule. Who had the ball in the air (Jenkins clearly did) is irrelevant. All that matters is who had the ball at the point it is defined as a catch. And at the point that this became a league defined catch (see Calvin Johnson rule) both players were on the ground with both hands on the ball. Everything leading to that point is moot.

    You can’t have a simultaneous catch until you first establish a catch has been made. Then and only then can you determine who has possession of it. Having the ball in the air means nothing.

  62. effthenfl says: Sep 25, 2012 10:30 AM

    Whether you’re a Packers fan or not you have to feel for any team and its fans in that situation. If you think the Packers didn’t get jobbed then you aren’t being objective and you’re probably a Bears fan. I’m not sure the protests are going to do anything but shame on you folks making fun of them for trying to do something – its more than the league or the “real” officials seems to be doing at this time. And each week that goes forward with these replacement (and I use that term loosely) officials is a potential week that could put YOUR team’s game in jeopardy.

  63. eepobee says: Sep 25, 2012 10:30 AM

    iamthefootballjerk, we wrote almost the same post at the same time. at least it’s good to know there’s 1 other sane person out there…

  64. joetoronto says: Sep 25, 2012 10:30 AM

    jhein23 says:
    Sep 25, 2012 10:16 AM
    I honestly think its time people step up and say fire Roger Goodell. He is no Pete Rozelle or Paul Tagliabue. FIRE GOODELL
    ***************************************************
    Ya, I actually remember Rozelle and Tagliabue.

    I don’t think you do.

  65. rjrousseau says: Sep 25, 2012 10:31 AM

    time to organize boycotts, start with the sponsors. Nike for sure. The Thursday night game on NFL network might be a good start as well, don’t watch.

  66. 3octaveFart says: Sep 25, 2012 10:31 AM

    So…where were these protesters during the first two weeks of the season …or weren’t they a problem then?

  67. yamchargers says: Sep 25, 2012 10:31 AM

    What everyone is forgetting is that this has ALWAYS been part of the game. In 2008 Hochuli, who has several SBs on his resume, made a clear error in the last minute of a Chargers/Broncos game that decided who won that game. It was FAR clearer than last nights error as NO ONE could argue it was the correct call. It happens to everyone, even the best. So whoever pretends its all the replacements fault has no grasp of reality.

  68. thepvyharvin says: Sep 25, 2012 10:33 AM

    Was waaa,,,once again,the entitled cheesers cry out loud. Vikings been hosed at Lambeau several times. Get back to the milking parlor,the world needs your cheese!

  69. hooks024 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:33 AM

    Let us not forget that if aaron rodgers had played like a reigning mvp and thrown a td pass or 2, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

  70. upperdecker19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:34 AM

    So far, there’s been no indication that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is listening to the fans.

    He’s busy working on that 18 game schedule and moving a team to London that he tells us that we all want.

  71. 69jaredallen69 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:35 AM

    Actually 2 and 3 where on the 2nd to last drive…I am guessing Woodson did not mug the TE on the last drive too

    cheeseheadzone says:
    Sep 25, 2012 10:18 AM
    There were 3 mistakes in the final drive.

    #1 Obviously the interception ruled TD
    #2 Sam Shields being called for defensive pass interference which wasn’t
    #3 Interception overturned on a phantom roughing the passer call.

    Integrity of the game at stake here.

  72. madpunter88 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:35 AM

    This is cute. Instead of protesting outside the stadium the Packer faithful ought to be asking why their offensive line was so bad last night.

  73. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:39 AM

    Jennings clearly had ball. Never juggled. Pinned on his chest. No simultaneous possession. Blown call, no doubt.

  74. detroitnorth says: Sep 25, 2012 10:39 AM

    For Lions fans just another example of calls that can effect the outcome of games. At least in the Lions cases it affected the rules. Now we have The “process” for a catch. aka “The Calvin Rule” and a turnover now must be reviewed as per the Lions 49ers game last year. Nice to hear the Pack wine for a change.

  75. aintasinner says: Sep 25, 2012 10:39 AM

    Dear Packers Fans,
    It sucks when the decisions of one person, Goodell, affects your ability to win a game. Just think how you would feel if it affected your entire season.

    Sincerely,
    Saints Fans Everywhere

  76. revolution311 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:44 AM

    I’m really not a fan of people using the argument that better play would have won the game anyways when it regards bad officiating.

    So what happens when two teams play greatly and then a call at the end of the game is screwed up by the officials? Is it okay then? What about the opposite?

    Point being: it should never matter. Officials should never even be a part of the conversation no matter how greatly or poorly a game is played by either team. That should be the NFL’s main objective.

    Poor officiating can result in a team playing poorly itself. Whether it be bad calls or simply prohibiting the flow of the game by taking forever to make correct ones.

    People aren’t perfect. When officials get things wrong, players respond as most any other normal person would that wants to win: upset. Since they’re paid professionals we expect them to rise above it. But when calls are so routinely made incorrect that professionalism can only be tested so long. Responses change, habits are effected. They are still people after all.

    There comes a point where saying “rise above it” just isn’t enough. It past that point far ago. It’s now time to fix the problem. Poor employees get fired or moral goes down to the tubes and business suffers. Business is suffering.

  77. natelifer says: Sep 25, 2012 10:44 AM

    thepvyharvin says: Sep 25, 2012 10:33 AM

    Was waaa,,,once again,the entitled cheesers cry out loud. Vikings been hosed at Lambeau several times. Get back to the milking parlor,the world needs your cheese!

    Shouldn’t you be out wrastling around with Brock Lesnar or fighting with the Navy Seals overseas? I don’t know how you find time to post on here with all the bada$$ things you do Pervy! I really want to be like you! A TRUE American hero you are!

  78. fresno500 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:45 AM

    The GB team disagreed with the call, that I understand.

    But for the extrapoint team to walk off before the game was over was childish.

    Not even Randy Moss left the field before the offense was done.

    Total temper tandrum!!

  79. wldkat says: Sep 25, 2012 10:45 AM

    Mr Goodell, Pay the refs already ! It’s bad enough for this to happen in the regular season, what if this happens in the playoffs or superbowl ?

  80. bradshawlives says: Sep 25, 2012 10:45 AM

    If the roles were reversed and Seattle was robbed, would Packer fans be protesting the intergrity of the game?

  81. iamthefootballjerk says: Sep 25, 2012 10:46 AM

    eepobee says:
    Sep 25, 2012 10:30 AM
    iamthefootballjerk, we wrote almost the same post at the same time. at least it’s good to know there’s 1 other sane person out there…
    ====================================
    Amen to that, eepobee. In fact, the more I think about, the more I am starting to believe that the real refs own more than 50% of the blame. Besides the ridiculous demands, they have been ROOTING for a game like this to happen so they could strengthen their position.

    What are the real refs opposed to? Let’s take a look:

    1) Going from pensions to 401k’s for a part timer? ridiculous

    2) Having three back up crews to replace injured or under-performing refs? ridiculous (this in fact strengthens the game people!)

    3) The raises that are currently being offered, and higher than the current inflation rate, is NOT enough. ridiculous

    And you all blame Goodell, who doesn’t even make the final decisions on this negotiation. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

  82. wcollins111 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:47 AM

    If people are so upset with the NFL right now, why do they continue to watch? When ratings go down they may do something then. Until then, the money is still coming in, so no need to change anything. All the drama makes it worth watching even more….

  83. slammincamnewton says: Sep 25, 2012 10:48 AM

    The replacement refs help the Seachickens get a win, but the normal refs screwed them out of a Super Bowl. This makes up for that right? RIGHT!?

  84. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:48 AM

    I’m sure the players weren’t even thinking about PAT.

    Get a grip.

  85. jmsincla says: Sep 25, 2012 10:49 AM

    Good grief. This should be embarrassing for any American…

    Government has been trash for 12+ years? Nothing.

    My team loses on a bad call by replacement officials? PROTEST!

  86. racksie says: Sep 25, 2012 10:50 AM

    Yes, the Packer fans are worried about the integrity of the game. The game they lost.

  87. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:50 AM

    Even Larry Fitgerald said it was a terrible call. He even said at no time did Tate possess the ball. And even stated Tate is a good friend of his. LOL. He’s on The Herd right now.

  88. borbinski says: Sep 25, 2012 10:50 AM

    Brings back memorries of the tuck game. Still mad about that, it hurts.

  89. latrainian says: Sep 25, 2012 10:50 AM

    iamthefootballjerk says:
    Sep 25, 2012 10:28 AM

    Fans are being snowed by the media. This whole thing is AS MUCH the real refs fault as it is the Owners or the league. The real ref’s demands are RIDICULOUS for part time employees. Better benefits and pensions than NFL employees? You have go to be serious. They have been talking the last few days without ANY budge from the refs. And the media is making us all believe that the owners should be the ones budging. You all have been turned into SHEEP!

    =====

    Ridiculous or not, I’d say the officials have a lot of leverage on the table.

  90. mnlogic says: Sep 25, 2012 10:51 AM

    Any Packer shareholders, lawyers in that crowd? I know the real owners won’t break ranks, however maybe some shareholder can force the issue of bringing back the real refs for the protection of their team and the integrity of the league? The Saints players got a judge to overturn the bounty!
    I’m just saying

  91. theroc5156 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:51 AM

    You don’t win or lose a game on one single play. Sorry, but the Packers had other opportunities to win the game. Perhaps they shouldn’t have let their QB get murdered all game? Rodgers overthrew an open receiver in the end zone as well.

    I hate saying this because I respect the Packers but, yes, you did get royally screwed but you also put yourselves in that situation in the first place.

  92. bluebongzilla says: Sep 25, 2012 10:53 AM

    Get a job and get off the free lunchwagon, Pack fans. My back hurts from hauling you around. Man, you’d think Goodell punished the Packers for not breaking any rules or something. Or tripped a WR with his hat. Or let unnecessary head shots go unflagged two weeks in a row.

    Welcome to 1-2.

  93. frenzy95 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:55 AM

    harrisonhits2 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:13 AM
    The Packers had what, 5 drives in the first half that ended with punts ?

    If they had done their job the call by the officials would have been meaningless. The officials didn’t cost the Packers the game, the Packers did by playing poorly.
    ____________________________________________________
    Going by this logic the Seahawks had no yards in the second half till that final drive. The Packers over came a bad first half, executed a modified game plan in the second half and got screwed three times in the fourth quarter alone. I have not else to say to that.

  94. kowallazy says: Sep 25, 2012 10:56 AM

    “So far, there’s been no indication that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is listening to the fans.”

    Truer words never spoken. Get Goodell gone.

  95. snoop24 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:58 AM

    This is awesome……Green Bay fans protesting a sorry football game! Just goes to show you where the priorities are in Wisconsin.

    Couldn’t have happened to a better team.

  96. leroysbutler says: Sep 25, 2012 10:58 AM

    Both the owners (and attack dog Goodell) and the NFLRA are at fault. Although I’m pro-union, it’s time to resolve this situation. Here’s my suggestion:

    Fire all the officials, locked out and replacements. Start hiring FULL TIME officials from a pool of Division 1 officials, locked out officials, and competent replacement officials. Pay them well with 401k retirement and require ongoing training and evaluation. Have a pool of trained officials that would replace bad officials that continually score low during game evaluations.

    This is the only way to return the integrity to the game and improve the product at the same time.

  97. JSpicoli says: Sep 25, 2012 10:58 AM

    I am as big a sports fan as there is. However America has become a nation of distracted morons.

    The fact that we can allow the current administration to build up a $16 trillion debt while we sit and fumble our thumbs over a football game and actually think it’s important, is sad

    It is important, there are just way more important things going on right now

  98. bucsfan5000 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:02 AM

    Drew Brees needs an explanation.

  99. Great Caesar's Ghost says: Sep 25, 2012 11:02 AM

    Attention ignoramuses

    Not every NFL game can be 42-35. The Packers played well enough to win a 12-7 game. The refs are to blame, period. Stop blaming the Packers for what was a terrific defensive performance by both teams.

  100. ernie ernie says: Sep 25, 2012 11:02 AM

    I can tell you how you stop this immediately. All the fans, and I mean all the fans with tickets, start screaming loud and clear your staying home next week and working on the yard.
    As soon as the owners realize there ain’t gonna be any beer sales or food sales, this sucker ends and ends now.
    And I’m being serious about this. When it starts to effect the owners wallets is when things happen.

  101. knackstermyea says: Sep 25, 2012 11:02 AM

    Not a Packer or Seahawk fan. But as a fan of Football, Green Bay got the shaft. Nobody would be liking that call if it were against their team. When the refs start to determine the outcome of games, it’s time for action.

  102. dkrauss93 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:03 AM

    I did an invertagation and came to a conclussion… The ref who signalled touchdown has Golden Tate on his fantasy team and he won because of that TD!

  103. walletweb says: Sep 25, 2012 11:03 AM

    @jimr10

    League Head Office phone # 212-450-2000

  104. pack93z says: Sep 25, 2012 11:04 AM

    I don’t think this invokes change.. IMO.

    If it raises support maybe.. but directly this is like swatting gnats for the NFL.

    To invoke change is to reduce the revenue input.. does the fan base have enough discipline to invoke to watch and affect the revenue. Stop walking through the gates blindly to spend money on their brand.
    History tells us no. I side with history.

    But it would be a great lesson for the nation as a whole.. standing and fighting the big money machines of this country. Government first.. then entertainment. lol.

  105. salventuri says: Sep 25, 2012 11:04 AM

    Sorry fudgepackers but your team is back on the road to mediocrity. You’ll be looking at an 8-8 team at best for the next 10 years. LOL!

  106. pariseinminnesotabichez says: Sep 25, 2012 11:04 AM

    Packers suck! Skol Vikings

  107. ernie ernie says: Sep 25, 2012 11:04 AM

    I’m anti union and anti refs who don’t even know the rules of the game. Lets get the real guys back and lets turn over the two bad calls against the Pats and the Packers and move on. Seattle lost and so did the Ravens the other night. Lets set those records straight.

  108. EJ says: Sep 25, 2012 11:05 AM

    r8rsfan says:
    Sep 25, 2012 10:24 AM
    Packers fan – welcome to my nightmare. Signed, Raiders fan. (Immaculate Deception, Tuck Rule, etc.)

    How about this one:
    Buffalo Bills Fan- Music City Miracle/The Non-Lateral Pass That was a big game to lose and we had the regular refs at the time!

  109. ernie ernie says: Sep 25, 2012 11:05 AM

    I am as big a sports fan as there is. However America has become a nation of distracted morons.

    The fact that we can allow the current administration to build up a $16 trillion debt while we sit and fumble our thumbs over a football game and actually think it’s important, is sad

    It is important, there are just way more important things going on right now

    Who you calling distracted????

  110. eepobee says: Sep 25, 2012 11:09 AM

    jgava19 says:
    Sep 25, 2012 10:50 AM
    Even Larry Fitgerald said it was a terrible call. He even said at no time did Tate possess the ball. And even stated Tate is a good friend of his. LOL. He’s on The Herd right now.

    ——–

    Oh, so Larry Fitzgerald thinks he knows the rules now? And if he thinks Tate didn’t possess the ball, he’s gonna get suspended for smokin crack.

  111. theprocessoflosingmymind says: Sep 25, 2012 11:09 AM

    Or Jennings could have swatted the ball away instead of going for the interception on the LAST play of the game. Man up. Theres no crying in football.

    Don’t like the call? Score more than 12 points against Seattle and this is a non-issue. Maybe Aaron Rodgers could have actually passed for at least one touchdown.

  112. musicman495 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:10 AM

    eepobee says: Sep 25, 2012 10:29 AM

    why don’t they demand the regular refs end the lockout by agreeing to reasonable terms? fully-employer funded pensions for part time employees? really? where else do people get those kind of benefits?
    ———————————
    Uh, the regular refs have been getting this type of pension for decades. The owners in an NFL that makes $9 Billion per year want them to give it back, on the phony premise that refs who are critical to the integrity game should have the same pension plan as team office secretaries. Please. The refs have even offered to settle the dispute if the league would grandfather all current refs with the existing plan and use the 401K for new refs – a split approach that has worked well in other industries. The league has refused that compromise.

    The Owners and their power mad commissioner have created this mess, it is up to them to fix it.

  113. Great Caesar's Ghost says: Sep 25, 2012 11:10 AM

    JSpicoli says: Sep 25, 2012 10:58 AM

    I am as big a sports fan as there is. However America has become a nation of distracted morons.

    The fact that we can allow the current administration to build up a $16 trillion debt while we sit and fumble our thumbs over a football game and actually think it’s important, is sad

    It is important, there are just way more important things going on right now

    ________

    No there aren’t.

    Football and entertainment help keep our minds off the folly that is government and politics. Sports and the arts showcase man’s achievement; politics – man’s folly.

    Government screwing up is a given. Entertainers are professionals in the private sector who must give their all or risk losing business.

    If you really think obsessing over the money government will spend one way or another is more important, more power to you. The pursuit of happiness is different for different people. I applaud those who demand quality football. Packers fans have their heads on straight.

  114. bnwpnw says: Sep 25, 2012 11:13 AM

    Bad call – a stretch to even call it “questionable.” But before we clamor to get the “real” refs off the bench, keep in mind that they once screwed up an entire Super Bowl and took years to admit it.

  115. seahawkfan4evr says: Sep 25, 2012 11:13 AM

    Green bay fans are being morons tell you what I’m gonna start protesting for Super Bowl 40 and for the Denver sandiego game and for the Tennesee Detroit game and Goethe ect…. It’s ridiculous how about you guys lay down a block. The game was terribly officiated for both sides I was screaming about a pass interference call that game you a first down when you had no right to it which fame you the go ahead score it was ridiculous or all the holds try called on our o line and all he ones they missed on yours game could have gone either way do whatever. All I can say is I’m happy to wake up this morning being on the positive side of a controversy for the first time in northwest sports

  116. hoosiermizuno says: Sep 25, 2012 11:14 AM

    as bad as the officials are, who has time to protest on a work day? get back to work! unless of course Obama is taking care of you. Then all is good.

  117. hoosiermizuno says: Sep 25, 2012 11:15 AM

    as bad as the officials are, who has time to protest on a work day? get back to work! unless of course Obama is taking care of you. Then all is good.

    Can we get a replacement president soon!

  118. j1bruner says: Sep 25, 2012 11:17 AM

    Really poor refs, how do they miss both calls. Major push off right in front of the ref, no flag. Then Green Bay has the ball tight to his body. Roger and the owners need to give the fans the best refs, best players deserve it.

  119. 3octaveFart says: Sep 25, 2012 11:17 AM

    JSpicoli says:
    “..I am as big a sports fan as there is. However America has become a nation of distracted morons.
    The fact that we can allow the current administration to build up a $16 trillion debt…”

    Too bad you’re not a fan of facts.
    $12 trillion of that came from Bush…

  120. rabidbillsfan says: Sep 25, 2012 11:17 AM

    Here’s the deal. That play should have started ALL OVER from the beggining as soon as the ball was thrown. Why? Wilson took one heck of a shot to the chin, from a Packers player who launched at him. It’s a roughing call, and a weak one, but it should have been called. So they Missed that and the OPI, so it should have offset and replayed the down. Quit your whining. There were bad calls all game long, those bad calls made this one stand out the most. Want to complain about the PI call on the pass to Rice? The ref who threw the flag saw the Packers player pull Rice’s jersey, not Rice’s hand on his back, which was blocked from his view. There were bad calls, but atleast the refs threw the flags. Sunday night was absolute craziness, I’ll take a tightly officiated game over a “Let ‘em go” game anyday of the week, sure, it’s more fun, but it loses the profesional label. Either way, the real Ref’s are the ones to blame, it’s no secret what they are asking for, and now they want the pay from the games they missed? I don’t think so. Also, who honestly thinks that the week the Ref’s come back, the game will be back to normal? Almost all crews have been off since the end of December, 10 months away from officiating a game, at real speed. Mistakes will still be made, and then nobody will have something to point a finger at. As much as fans want to think so, this has nothing to do with them, only 1/2 of fans are affected weekly, 100% of players are affected every day, this needs to get done for them, no more DHB incidents.

  121. shiftyshellshocked says: Sep 25, 2012 11:20 AM

    Like I said before, after watching my Vikings take it in the exhaust pipe time and time again with rotten calls or no call at all. It’s good to see the Packers get the same in return. Suck it up Packers fans. Hope it hurts.

  122. j1bruner says: Sep 25, 2012 11:20 AM

    Roger Goodell’s # 1 212 450-2027 give him a call. Try not to be rude, I know it will be hard

  123. clbrwns says: Sep 25, 2012 11:23 AM

    Come on people. This is stupid. Doesn’t anyone have anything else to do? Oh wait, It’s Green Bay so I guess they don’t.

  124. crush22 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:24 AM

    pariseinminnesotabichez says:
    Sep 25, 2012 11:04 AM

    Packers suck! Skol Vikings

    __________________________________

    Saying “SKOL” sucks.

    Sincerley,
    Everybody

  125. eepobee says: Sep 25, 2012 11:29 AM

    musicman495 says:
    Sep 25, 2012 11:10 AM

    Uh, the regular refs have been getting this type of pension for decades. The owners in an NFL that makes $9 Billion per year want them to give it back, on the phony premise that refs who are critical to the integrity game should have the same pension plan as team office secretaries. Please. The refs have even offered to settle the dispute if the league would grandfather all current refs with the existing plan and use the 401K for new refs – a split approach that has worked well in other industries. The league has refused that compromise.

    The Owners and their power mad commissioner have created this mess, it is up to them to fix it.
    ——-
    Um, if they believe that kind of pension in this environment, they’re delusional. who gets that? if full-time employees aren’t getting it, then these guys have no beef whatsoever.

  126. imjinbrdgr says: Sep 25, 2012 11:29 AM

    imjinbrdgr says: Sep 25, 2012 11:13 AM

    PROTEST IDEA!

    Fans will keep watching games. Owners know this.

    How much revenue would the owners lose if ALL TV SET WERE TURNED OFF DURING HALF TIME?

    If this were to happen next Sunday, how many advertisers would want to spend money on ads the next week.

  127. mgifford7 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:35 AM

    Oh god. The packers were lucky to even be leading in that game with how terrible they played. If you’re going to protest anything, protest that teams shoddy offensive line play.

  128. axespray says: Sep 25, 2012 11:49 AM

    2 interceptions resulting in a phantom roughing the passer call and a TD for the seahawks…smh

    If this were the Packers that got these calls in their favor – you wouldn’t be hearing, “Well if seattle played better” crap or “Seattle fans are just whiners / get a life!” sort of comments…

    You’d be hearing non stop whining from spiteful Packer haters … as is usual whenever they win, but now they get royally screwed and … people say “play better” ? … smh

  129. nortonfest says: Sep 25, 2012 11:49 AM

    @mnlogic brings up a good point, and something I thought about this morning – with the Packers being owned by shareholders instead of one owner, couldn’t they force the issue in a different manner? You would think that they could put a lot of pressure on the Packers President to do something or be forced out of office.

    Just saying, a lot of unhappy shareholders makes for a different voice than one owner.

  130. nizzle84 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:55 AM

    For a good time call Roger @ 1 212 450-2027

  131. neer music says: Sep 25, 2012 11:55 AM

    great.. a green bay crying festival.

  132. rickrock6661982 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:58 AM

    Clearly these fans are protesting their supposed “high power” offense that was shutdown the entire game.

    Much less, rendered a laughingstock in the first half.

  133. flickaboogie says: Sep 25, 2012 11:58 AM

    Wow, I must have missed all of the protests in Detroit today! Oh right, Lions fans have more class than that.

  134. glenne81 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:58 AM

    You’re kidding right? The Pack should just tuck their tails and go home. A good team would have throttled them so badly that McCarthy should be run out of town. Go ahead and blame the Refs. But you guys stunk up the place. Super Bowl Favorites??? You are kidding!!!!!

  135. goods65 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:01 PM

    First off,i am a seahawk fan and i say that GB play intercepted the ball.Second,he should of knocked it down game over we are not having this conversation,and last Green Bay and Seattle both played horribly on offense.Green Bay has the better QB and WR’s and should of beat Seattle hands down.If everyone watched that game,there were a lot of bad calls called on both teams not just the last play,but i agree these refs got it totally wrong last night.Goodell and the owners got to get their heads out of their ass and bring back the real refs!!!

  136. bobleblah says: Sep 25, 2012 12:02 PM

    Union-busting Wisconsin governor Scott Walker wants a better product; he demands wealthy owners play union refs what they are worth.

  137. bbking0420 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:07 PM

    Me being a Chicago Bears, fan if the Green Bay Packers keep getting screwed the Bears will be NFC North camps in no time!!!!Keep losing Packers,and if yall such a powerhouse team you guys should put up 40 against the sorry seahawks!!! You guys only scored 12.LOL

  138. chrisvegas says: Sep 25, 2012 12:09 PM

    You think they would be more upset about the government robbing us of our liberties and spending trillions of dollars in our names bringing us into a debt that we will never be able to pay off.

  139. pappageorgio says: Sep 25, 2012 12:11 PM

    Sorry….but if the regular refs would have made the same call against a non media darling team (like the bucs, bengals, lions, ect.) Mike P would be on the airwaves right now quoting the rule book (page 345, section 7, paragraph 3, line 4) and qualifying how the refs actually got it correct despite what your lying eyes tell you.

    But since a call actually went against the pack for a change and they’re the replacment officials……The entire state of Wisconsin goes into mourning/protest and we’re getting mob together to attack the replacments.

    I believe the wrong call was made but it was a lot closer that most are claiming and I’ve seen way worse at the end of games by the normal guys…..only they claim they haven’t made a mistake since 1946.

  140. VikesPrincess (Lisa) says: Sep 25, 2012 12:15 PM

    What a bunch of whiny babies. Not the first team to be impacted, not the last. Even “real” officials have made horrendously bad calls awarding a game to the wrong team. Lambeau. 2010. Vikings vs Packers.

  141. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Sep 25, 2012 12:15 PM

    At the end of the season, the fans will be happy they lost this game because it means a higher draft pick.

  142. taintedsaints2009 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:17 PM

    This only proves my point that the perversion of the nfl culture in this country has exceeded beyond obsession. It’s just downright pathetic.

  143. reddog1955 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:17 PM

    Seriously, when was the last time a pass interference penalty was called on a Hail Mary play? Doesn’t happen….they could throw the every time if they wanted to. Doesn’t matter how blatant it is or not…like how you can’t be *a little bit preggers*.

    The person with the final say ruled the call stands and nothing is ever going to change that.

    It sucks but these calls happen every now and then(being a Lion’s fan, I just consider it like the cost of doing business)

  144. xplicitpits says: Sep 25, 2012 12:30 PM

    What about Green Bays lead changing drive when Chancellor got called for a imaginary pass interference? If the refs don’t call that then Crosby kicks a 50 + yarder and Seattle kicks a game winner at the end, instead of the catch, & win 10 to 9. About time Seattle ended on top of the NFL’s BS apology garbage! *XL#

  145. dumpgoodell says: Sep 25, 2012 12:31 PM

    This was not the only blown call in this game. Just look back at the Packers last scoring drive. The Packers O-line was strangling Seahawk pass rushers on multiple critical plays. Don’t forget the phantom pass interference against the Seahawks. I’m not a fan of either team, but I was angry before the final play.

  146. droyer85 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:36 PM

    The refs are clearly throwing games all around the league and this isn’t the first one. The media is completely ignoring other calls that have changed the outcome of games over the past 3 weeks. A perfect example of that is 2 touchdowns that the officials robbed the Saints of in a game where they lost by 3 points. And I find it very coincidental that there are 2 teams in the NFL that have a player who was involved in the ALLEGED “bounty program” the Browns and the Saints, and both those teams are the only 0-3 teams in the NFL. Very interesting. I am not a Saints or Browns fan, but I do not trust the NFL and I think something very fishy is going on here to say the least. Idk if the NFL is changing the outcome of games to create more parody in the league or what, but there have been way too many controversial calls in EVERY game around the league that have swung momentum or kept drives alive or in this case blatantly changed the outcome. Somethings going on and the media won’t go anywhere near it. Maybe now they will, but like I said, this is not the first bogus outcome of the year.

  147. juliusanonymous says: Sep 25, 2012 12:53 PM

    Maybe the Packers fans should protest their offensive line for giving up 8 sacks in the first half and getting shut out. If they had scored on even ONE of those drives, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

  148. tvguy22 says: Sep 25, 2012 12:58 PM

    A little whine with your cheeseheads?

  149. brewcrewfan54 says: Sep 25, 2012 1:04 PM

    As a Packer fan I have to say go home guys and get over it. It happened. It sucks but it happened. The only way anything is going to get done with the referee situation is if America collectively chooses to not watch football and that’s not gonna happen.

  150. aintasinner says: Sep 25, 2012 1:09 PM

    Hey bucsfan5000, enough with the Drew Brees needs an explanation comments. It’s old and stupid. Turns out the NFL DOESN’t have an explanation for Bountygate. And at least Brees had the cajones to speak up about the officiating both before AND after the MNF game. And his team is playing the Packers this week. He could just be laughing at them and saying things like oh shut up and accept the NFL’s decision, you know the same advice the Saints were given.

  151. bearzfan says: Sep 25, 2012 1:20 PM

    Where were the protests by Packer fans when Cobb was gifted a return TD with the aid of 2 blocks in the back against SF? Where were the protests when AJ Hawk punched Gabe Carimi and Carimi pushed him back with Hawk “flying” 10 yards as a drama queen or a 12 men on the field with the 12th man clearly off the field that extended a packer scoring drive agains the Bears?

    These few examples illustrate the the hypocrisy of Packer fans. Just because it happens on the last play does not mean that the final outcome isn’t influenced by bad calls at other times of the game. It is finally happening to the packers, so no sympathy here.

  152. contra74 says: Sep 25, 2012 1:46 PM

    Packers 1-2 at the bottom of the division right where they belong.

  153. biggestsaintsfanever says: Sep 25, 2012 1:53 PM

    harrisonhits2 says:Sep 25, 2012 10:13 AM

    The Packers had what, 5 drives in the first half that ended with punts ?

    If they had done their job the call by the officials would have been meaningless. The officials didn’t cost the Packers the game, the Packers did by playing poorly
    ==================================

    Doesn’t matter how the packers offence played, they were winning 12-7, and SHOULD’VE won, 12-7

  154. iluvbears says: Sep 25, 2012 3:05 PM

    This should put to bed once and for all the claim by Packer fans that there is more to do in Green Bay than support the local football team. These fans need to realize that standing outside Lambeau in protest will not do a thing. It just makes you and your city look sad.

  155. RedRuffensor says: Sep 25, 2012 3:19 PM

    After the 2009 NFCCG — in which the refs made 5 or 6 horrendous calls that allowed the Saints to eke-out a victory over the Vikings — Packers fans chided Vikings fans with comments like “you lost; suck it up”, “don’t whine about the refs”, “bad calls happen” etc.. Shoe, meet other foot.

  156. Mr. Wright 212 says: Sep 25, 2012 3:46 PM

    If we hadn’t won the Super Bowl last year, I’d have zero sympathy for them. But I feel for them, especially after the 2002 Wild Card game ended on similar incompetence.

  157. cobaltdriver says: Sep 25, 2012 10:43 PM

    After the 2009 NFCCG — in which the refs made 5 or 6 horrendous calls that allowed the Saints to eke-out a victory over the Vikings —you mean when the vikes turned over the ball 5 times?

  158. cobaltdriver says: Sep 25, 2012 10:44 PM

    Packers 1-2 at the bottom of the division right where they belong.

    Enjoy that for a week..after the Lions bury your butts

  159. cobaltdriver says: Sep 25, 2012 10:46 PM

    Maybe the Packers fans should protest their offensive line for giving up 8 sacks in the first half and getting shut out. If they had scored on even ONE of those drives, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation.

    Kinda like the Cryking fans who have been crying for the last 3 going on 4years about their game in the 2009 NFC champ..perhaps y all shouldn’tve turned the ball over 5 count em 5 times.

  160. choppa2lis says: Sep 28, 2012 6:40 PM

    viqueen fans still crying about 2009 is a joke. the saints were penalized MORE in that game. these idiot viqueen fans seem to ignore that blatant fact. i saw plenty of bogus insanely bad calls go against the saints all game long. so these wussbag viqueen chumps can keep crying. you will be forever RINGLESS HAHAHA

  161. bigbuck54246 says: Oct 1, 2012 5:45 PM

    So, just curious, everyone on here, including myself, are far more hardworking than the protesters. Everyone using terrible grammer and spelling are way smarter than all Packer fans. There’s nothing to do in Green Bay, except whine, oh and get fat. Have I covered all the bases? Good. The Packer fans are protesting something they feel strongly about, very much like most of you are bashing a team and fan base on an internet site, which you obviously feel very strongly about. Please, explain to me the difference. If you really believe that the Packers have been given every call in games, I’m sorry to disagree with you, but that just isn’t true. Just like every team, the Packers have both benefited and suffered at the hands of the officials. If you had a problem with a call that didn’t go your way, and you really cared about your team, why weren’t you protesting? Were you to busy looking at a football web-site at work?

  162. bigbuck54246 says: Oct 1, 2012 5:48 PM

    Oh, I neglected to ask how this is in any way related to politics. People can still care about more than one thing, right? Or should I quit liking puppies because I also care about the National Deficit?

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