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	<title>Comments on: Seattle-Green Bay call caused huge swing in Vegas</title>
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		<title>By: iknowzeroaboutsports</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2022539</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@borbinski  Whatever you think of the Packers-Seahawks officiating, the Pats-Raiders play was accurately called.  Cry more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@borbinski  Whatever you think of the Packers-Seahawks officiating, the Pats-Raiders play was accurately called.  Cry more.</p>
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		<title>By: chi01town</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2021986</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chi01town]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IT IS WHAT IT IS... The packers lost the game so move on. If Greenbay was so much better than seattle then why was the game so close all night?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT IS WHAT IT IS&#8230; The packers lost the game so move on. If Greenbay was so much better than seattle then why was the game so close all night?</p>
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		<title>By: andyreidsbuffet</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[andyreidsbuffet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The casino couldn&#039;t care less. In football you have a point spread and a money line. If 80% of the gamblers are betting the Packers, Vegas adjusts the money line. For instance, if the Opening money line is -150 Green Bay(meaning you have to bet 150 to win 100), and then gamblers begin betting heavy on Green Bay the money line might change to -260 or -270. It then swings the other direction for Seattle to maybe +200 or so. Vegas is always covered, they get their % regardless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The casino couldn&#8217;t care less. In football you have a point spread and a money line. If 80% of the gamblers are betting the Packers, Vegas adjusts the money line. For instance, if the Opening money line is -150 Green Bay(meaning you have to bet 150 to win 100), and then gamblers begin betting heavy on Green Bay the money line might change to -260 or -270. It then swings the other direction for Seattle to maybe +200 or so. Vegas is always covered, they get their % regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: jack30043</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jack30043]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The real season doesn&#039;t start until the real refs are on the field.  This reminds me of the year the replacement players started half the games the playoffs were all screwed up that year.  We are looking at a potential playoffs where none of the premier teams make it because of these refs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real season doesn&#8217;t start until the real refs are on the field.  This reminds me of the year the replacement players started half the games the playoffs were all screwed up that year.  We are looking at a potential playoffs where none of the premier teams make it because of these refs.</p>
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		<title>By: droyer85</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[droyer85]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The refs are clearly throwing games all around the league and this isn’t the first one. The media is completely ignoring other calls that have changed the outcome of games over the past 3 weeks. A perfect example of that is 2 touchdowns that the officials robbed the Saints of in a game where they lost by 3 points. And I find it very coincidental that there are 2 teams in the NFL that have a player who was involved in the ALLEGED “bounty program” the Browns and the Saints, and both those teams are the only 0-3 teams in the NFL. Very interesting. I am not a Saints or Browns fan, but I do not trust the NFL and I think something very fishy is going on here to say the least. Idk if the NFL is changing the outcome of games to create more parody in the league or what, but there have been way too many controversial calls in EVERY game around the league that have swung momentum or kept drives alive or in this case blatantly changed the outcome. Somethings going on and the media won’t go anywhere near it. Maybe now they will, but like I said, this is not the first bogus outcome of the year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The refs are clearly throwing games all around the league and this isn’t the first one. The media is completely ignoring other calls that have changed the outcome of games over the past 3 weeks. A perfect example of that is 2 touchdowns that the officials robbed the Saints of in a game where they lost by 3 points. And I find it very coincidental that there are 2 teams in the NFL that have a player who was involved in the ALLEGED “bounty program” the Browns and the Saints, and both those teams are the only 0-3 teams in the NFL. Very interesting. I am not a Saints or Browns fan, but I do not trust the NFL and I think something very fishy is going on here to say the least. Idk if the NFL is changing the outcome of games to create more parody in the league or what, but there have been way too many controversial calls in EVERY game around the league that have swung momentum or kept drives alive or in this case blatantly changed the outcome. Somethings going on and the media won’t go anywhere near it. Maybe now they will, but like I said, this is not the first bogus outcome of the year.</p>
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		<title>By: aljack88</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aljack88]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[borbinski says:
Sep 25, 2012 10:55 AM
now everyone can understand the feeling of raider fan when we got tucked.
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Not as bad as Ben Dreith giving the Raiders the playoff win over the Pats in 76.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>borbinski says:<br />
Sep 25, 2012 10:55 AM<br />
now everyone can understand the feeling of raider fan when we got tucked.<br />
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<p>Not as bad as Ben Dreith giving the Raiders the playoff win over the Pats in 76.</p>
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		<title>By: bangitfootball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bangitfootball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[QUESTION: I thought the line was suppose to spread the action out roughy 50/50 on each team. If too much money lands on one team the line starts moving.  How do they books end up with 80% on one team?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QUESTION: I thought the line was suppose to spread the action out roughy 50/50 on each team. If too much money lands on one team the line starts moving.  How do they books end up with 80% on one team?</p>
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		<title>By: ninerdynasty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ninerdynasty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[im wondering.. is the ref that called a TD on that play the same ref that called PI on shields and missed the PI on tate on the TD play?  if thats true.. the nfl should look into it.. thats a lot of calls that were messed up by one ref...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im wondering.. is the ref that called a TD on that play the same ref that called PI on shields and missed the PI on tate on the TD play?  if thats true.. the nfl should look into it.. thats a lot of calls that were messed up by one ref&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gabbo</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2021249</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil, you’re correct, it’s too small a sample size. In week 3, home teams were 6-10 on covering the point spread. But anyone who says the refs were on Ravens side isn’t looking at the statistics. The only thing that saved the Pats were all the penalties called on the Ravens. Pats gained 9 first down from just penalties, Ravens 5. Ravens were also called for more penalties and had 60+ penalty yards more as well. 

It’s like last night’s game, selective memory from the last drive has completely skewed the fact that Seahawks still had more penalties and penalty yardage, and less first downs gained from Packers penalties or that Packers TD was in fact aided by a phantom PI.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil, you’re correct, it’s too small a sample size. In week 3, home teams were 6-10 on covering the point spread. But anyone who says the refs were on Ravens side isn’t looking at the statistics. The only thing that saved the Pats were all the penalties called on the Ravens. Pats gained 9 first down from just penalties, Ravens 5. Ravens were also called for more penalties and had 60+ penalty yards more as well. </p>
<p>It’s like last night’s game, selective memory from the last drive has completely skewed the fact that Seahawks still had more penalties and penalty yardage, and less first downs gained from Packers penalties or that Packers TD was in fact aided by a phantom PI.</p>
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		<title>By: skinsfanwill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[skinsfanwill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[primetime0552 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:24 AM

I thought point spreads are used to get half the bettors to bet on one team, the other half on the second team. When that happens, the bookie does not care who wins. He gives the looser’s money to the winners and keeps a 10% commission of the loosing bets for himself.

The old saying goes: The one person in sports betting that does not gamble is the bookie.

Any odds make that sets the line such that 80% is bet on one team deserves to take a bath every now and then.

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Since when did Vegas sportsbooks or other sportsbooks get a commission? That may be the way that bookies work(bookies are also illegal), but Vegas(and other legit sportsbooks) dont have a commission. Say the spread is -110. You bet $110 to win a $100. You win the bet you get the $110 you bet back + the $100 you won. You dont get $189 back because they take 10%.

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For every winner there is a loser or two. This is how the commission is collected. We both walk in and bet $1100 to win a $1000. That&#039;s $2200. I lose and you win. I lost $1100 and you won $1000. Where is the the other $100? Now multiply that times several hundred or thousand betters. That&#039;s their commission.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>primetime0552 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:24 AM</p>
<p>I thought point spreads are used to get half the bettors to bet on one team, the other half on the second team. When that happens, the bookie does not care who wins. He gives the looser’s money to the winners and keeps a 10% commission of the loosing bets for himself.</p>
<p>The old saying goes: The one person in sports betting that does not gamble is the bookie.</p>
<p>Any odds make that sets the line such that 80% is bet on one team deserves to take a bath every now and then.</p>
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<p>Since when did Vegas sportsbooks or other sportsbooks get a commission? That may be the way that bookies work(bookies are also illegal), but Vegas(and other legit sportsbooks) dont have a commission. Say the spread is -110. You bet $110 to win a $100. You win the bet you get the $110 you bet back + the $100 you won. You dont get $189 back because they take 10%.</p>
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For every winner there is a loser or two. This is how the commission is collected. We both walk in and bet $1100 to win a $1000. That&#8217;s $2200. I lose and you win. I lost $1100 and you won $1000. Where is the the other $100? Now multiply that times several hundred or thousand betters. That&#8217;s their commission.</p>
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		<title>By: joewilliesshnoz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[joewilliesshnoz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 16:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gambling is a sickness, and I&#039;m sick that I didn&#039;t bet Seattle last nite !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gambling is a sickness, and I&#8217;m sick that I didn&#8217;t bet Seattle last nite !</p>
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		<title>By: laffers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[laffers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roger
On behalf of a grateful, world wide gambling industry, thank you $250,000,00 times. Keep up the good work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger<br />
On behalf of a grateful, world wide gambling industry, thank you $250,000,00 times. Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: philsgoodman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[philsgoodman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it&#039;s time to roll with the home team for as long as this thing lasts.

NFL historical home-field advantage: 57.3%

2012 home-field advantage: 64.6% (31-17)

Close, controversial, game-deciding call on SNF: goes in favor of the home team (Baltimore) 

(Not that) close, controversial, game-deciding call on call MNF: goes in favor of the home team (Seattle)

48 games played is not a big enough sample size to completely confirm this trend, but it has been theorized that a large portion of HFA in pro sports is the result of officials being influenced by crowd noise. I wouldn&#039;t be the least bit surprised if these amateur, overwhelmed, rookie replacement refs are much more susceptible than the old pros.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s time to roll with the home team for as long as this thing lasts.</p>
<p>NFL historical home-field advantage: 57.3%</p>
<p>2012 home-field advantage: 64.6% (31-17)</p>
<p>Close, controversial, game-deciding call on SNF: goes in favor of the home team (Baltimore) </p>
<p>(Not that) close, controversial, game-deciding call on call MNF: goes in favor of the home team (Seattle)</p>
<p>48 games played is not a big enough sample size to completely confirm this trend, but it has been theorized that a large portion of HFA in pro sports is the result of officials being influenced by crowd noise. I wouldn&#8217;t be the least bit surprised if these amateur, overwhelmed, rookie replacement refs are much more susceptible than the old pros.</p>
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		<title>By: vegasvinnie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vegasvinnie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only other game I can compare this to took place on November 16, 2008. San Diego was playing at Pittsburgh and was down 11 - 10 with seconds left. The Steelers were a 4 and a half point favorite and had just kicked a FG with 11 seconds left to go ahead. On the ensuing kickoff, SD tries a series of laterals which ends up with Troy Polamalu picking up the ball and scoring a TD as time expired. I&#039;m at the Green Valley Ranch sportsbook and the place explodes because a majority of the bettors in that game took the Steelers and now they suddenly think that they&#039;ve pulled out a miracle cover. Suddenly, there&#039;s a review and the play is overturned, even though it doesn&#039;t directly affect the outcome of the game. Confusion reigns and it&#039;s almost 45 minutes after the game ends before an official announcement is made that the 11 - 10 score stands. Now, all of the Steelers bettors have lost while the few Chargers bettors are suddenly trying to get back tickets that they&#039;d torn up or thrown away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only other game I can compare this to took place on November 16, 2008. San Diego was playing at Pittsburgh and was down 11 &#8211; 10 with seconds left. The Steelers were a 4 and a half point favorite and had just kicked a FG with 11 seconds left to go ahead. On the ensuing kickoff, SD tries a series of laterals which ends up with Troy Polamalu picking up the ball and scoring a TD as time expired. I&#8217;m at the Green Valley Ranch sportsbook and the place explodes because a majority of the bettors in that game took the Steelers and now they suddenly think that they&#8217;ve pulled out a miracle cover. Suddenly, there&#8217;s a review and the play is overturned, even though it doesn&#8217;t directly affect the outcome of the game. Confusion reigns and it&#8217;s almost 45 minutes after the game ends before an official announcement is made that the 11 &#8211; 10 score stands. Now, all of the Steelers bettors have lost while the few Chargers bettors are suddenly trying to get back tickets that they&#8217;d torn up or thrown away.</p>
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		<title>By: gooboy6</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most of the customers in the sports book were not happy with the final call,” said John Avello, director of the race and sports book at the Wynn in Las Vegas. “The shift was 100 percent. After the [Seahawks] score, all bets were reversed.”
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that statement is incorrect, not all bets were reversed. what if you had teased the Packers or Seahawks with another game/bet ?  same result]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the customers in the sports book were not happy with the final call,” said John Avello, director of the race and sports book at the Wynn in Las Vegas. “The shift was 100 percent. After the [Seahawks] score, all bets were reversed.”<br />
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<p>that statement is incorrect, not all bets were reversed. what if you had teased the Packers or Seahawks with another game/bet ?  same result</p>
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		<title>By: Gabbo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gabbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This game was one of those public vs sharps. The public is always going take the Packers on a short spread. The sharps and consortiums were on Seattle. There’s a reason that despite 80-85% of the public on one side, the spread wasn’t increasing. 

In the end, the Packers are still to blame for allowing all those sacks. Seattle still had more penalties, more penalty yardage. Packers got more first downs from penalties, so it’s not like the refs were on Seattle’s side. Packers should definitely have taken a safety on purpose rather than punting with 50 seconds left.

Is this a good way to end the game? No. But sadly, this ending is probably one of the best things that could happen to the NFL. Look at all the free publicity and advertising they get. Count how many times, you read, hear, talk about the NFL today. I also wouldn’t follow the media blindly. They make money with all the controversy. Without watching the replay, listen to the last call by Tirico, even he thought it was simultaneous catch at first. No one is going to say otherwise for fear of getting blackballed in the industry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This game was one of those public vs sharps. The public is always going take the Packers on a short spread. The sharps and consortiums were on Seattle. There’s a reason that despite 80-85% of the public on one side, the spread wasn’t increasing. </p>
<p>In the end, the Packers are still to blame for allowing all those sacks. Seattle still had more penalties, more penalty yardage. Packers got more first downs from penalties, so it’s not like the refs were on Seattle’s side. Packers should definitely have taken a safety on purpose rather than punting with 50 seconds left.</p>
<p>Is this a good way to end the game? No. But sadly, this ending is probably one of the best things that could happen to the NFL. Look at all the free publicity and advertising they get. Count how many times, you read, hear, talk about the NFL today. I also wouldn’t follow the media blindly. They make money with all the controversy. Without watching the replay, listen to the last call by Tirico, even he thought it was simultaneous catch at first. No one is going to say otherwise for fear of getting blackballed in the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: ernie ernie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ernie ernie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like someones little bastard kid doesn&#039;t go to college now. All because some dumb ass ref didn&#039;t know the game of football but was paid anyways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like someones little bastard kid doesn&#8217;t go to college now. All because some dumb ass ref didn&#8217;t know the game of football but was paid anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: gambleonsports</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020866</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gambleonsports]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Primetime you clearly don&#039;t know much about gambling. First of all -110 isn&#039;t the spread, -3.5 was for the packers. 110 is what you have to bet to win 100, for either side. The bookie pays out 100 for the winning side, while keeping 110 from the losing side. Do you not see the 10% still?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Primetime you clearly don&#8217;t know much about gambling. First of all -110 isn&#8217;t the spread, -3.5 was for the packers. 110 is what you have to bet to win 100, for either side. The bookie pays out 100 for the winning side, while keeping 110 from the losing side. Do you not see the 10% still?</p>
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		<title>By: maverick5266</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maverick5266]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NFL as far as wagering is concerned right now is the equivalent of pro wrestling.

If you want to make some dough, bet the storyline not the moneyline.

The best bet right now is to stay away from the NFL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NFL as far as wagering is concerned right now is the equivalent of pro wrestling.</p>
<p>If you want to make some dough, bet the storyline not the moneyline.</p>
<p>The best bet right now is to stay away from the NFL.</p>
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		<title>By: kleppnasty</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020833</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kleppnasty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[primetime

Sorry, you may have gone to Vegas, you just aren&#039;t good at math.  You bet $110 to win $100.  That is the commission.  When everyone bets $110 to win $100, it means everyone is giving up $10 (roughly 9%) to the house.  If you bet football, both sides of the spread pay -110.  If you bet other sports, you will notice that the spreads do not match up.  You will not see a -110 on one team and 90 on the other.  You&#039;ll see -110 and 100, which means that Vegas is not risking money as long as they get 50/50.  Though in the second case they would be possibly not making money if the -110 wins since they&#039;d just be breaking even.  The only risk they have is when a team is a huge underdog (Stanford over USC a few years ago when they were -42 spread).  In those cases, betting straight up on the underdog puts Vegas at risk, but since the huge underdogs almost never win, betting on them is usually a big win for Vegas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>primetime</p>
<p>Sorry, you may have gone to Vegas, you just aren&#8217;t good at math.  You bet $110 to win $100.  That is the commission.  When everyone bets $110 to win $100, it means everyone is giving up $10 (roughly 9%) to the house.  If you bet football, both sides of the spread pay -110.  If you bet other sports, you will notice that the spreads do not match up.  You will not see a -110 on one team and 90 on the other.  You&#8217;ll see -110 and 100, which means that Vegas is not risking money as long as they get 50/50.  Though in the second case they would be possibly not making money if the -110 wins since they&#8217;d just be breaking even.  The only risk they have is when a team is a huge underdog (Stanford over USC a few years ago when they were -42 spread).  In those cases, betting straight up on the underdog puts Vegas at risk, but since the huge underdogs almost never win, betting on them is usually a big win for Vegas.</p>
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		<title>By: gmsingh</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gmsingh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing seems to be lost in the shuffle: the Packers much vaunted offense scored 16 points against the Bears and 12 points against the Seahawks.  Sure, they got screwed against by the refs, but shouldn&#039;t we worry first about when they&#039;re going to play like a good team?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing seems to be lost in the shuffle: the Packers much vaunted offense scored 16 points against the Bears and 12 points against the Seahawks.  Sure, they got screwed against by the refs, but shouldn&#8217;t we worry first about when they&#8217;re going to play like a good team?</p>
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		<title>By: steeelfann</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020818</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steeelfann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seattle had no offense at all.

Wilson, though greatly hyped by Gruden per usual, threw for a whopping 65 yards outside of his first td pass to Tate (nice pass) and the lying Tate second pass complete with interference as well.

Truth of the matter was that when Green Bay started running it on Seattle, they were dominating.  

Seattle has Zero offense outside of the beast Lynch.

Really pathetic when you think about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seattle had no offense at all.</p>
<p>Wilson, though greatly hyped by Gruden per usual, threw for a whopping 65 yards outside of his first td pass to Tate (nice pass) and the lying Tate second pass complete with interference as well.</p>
<p>Truth of the matter was that when Green Bay started running it on Seattle, they were dominating.  </p>
<p>Seattle has Zero offense outside of the beast Lynch.</p>
<p>Really pathetic when you think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: borbinski</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020782</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[borbinski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[now everyone can understand the feeling of raider fan when we got tucked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now everyone can understand the feeling of raider fan when we got tucked.</p>
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		<title>By: mvp4mer</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020723</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mvp4mer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look at the amount of money involved.  How tempting would it be for a replacement ref to call the game in  a way that changes the outcome.  The NFL didn&#039;t even check to find out the one replacement ref was all over Facebook as a Saints fan.  Do we really think they have checked for connections to gamblers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the amount of money involved.  How tempting would it be for a replacement ref to call the game in  a way that changes the outcome.  The NFL didn&#8217;t even check to find out the one replacement ref was all over Facebook as a Saints fan.  Do we really think they have checked for connections to gamblers?</p>
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		<title>By: sippindasyzurp</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020719</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sippindasyzurp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the ref comes out and says after reviewing the play, the call stands... 

What he was really saying was &quot; After confirming with Nevada and Online Sportsbooks, the call on the field stands!&quot;

The NFL better be careful because Vince McMahon might try and steal these refs for up coming WWE PPV!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the ref comes out and says after reviewing the play, the call stands&#8230; </p>
<p>What he was really saying was &#8221; After confirming with Nevada and Online Sportsbooks, the call on the field stands!&#8221;</p>
<p>The NFL better be careful because Vince McMahon might try and steal these refs for up coming WWE PPV!</p>
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		<title>By: bspuryear</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020678</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bspuryear]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My buddy was at the Wynn last night and he said that he will never forget the reaction of the people in there after the call.. He bet on the Packers as did many others that got screwed.. As long as people keep going to the games nothing will change and the refs will still be out there because the NFL is still making millions every week kinda sad...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My buddy was at the Wynn last night and he said that he will never forget the reaction of the people in there after the call.. He bet on the Packers as did many others that got screwed.. As long as people keep going to the games nothing will change and the refs will still be out there because the NFL is still making millions every week kinda sad&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: swagger52</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020674</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[swagger52]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you think this never happens with Regular Refs?  Think Again!

Several Bills claimed one said &quot;just give it to them&quot; (referring to first down yardage) in the huddle. Television instant replays showed that he was short of first down yardage, but the NFL had discontinued use of instant replay the previous season. This was followed by a questionable pass interference call made in the end zone on what would have been the game&#039;s final play. Bledsoe hit Ben Coates for a touchdown on the final untimed play of the game. In protest, the Bills left the field and let the Patriots kicker Adam Vinateri walk in for a meaningless two-point conversion. Doug Flutie, then the Bills&#039; quarterback, later quipped &quot;They gave them the game, we figured we might as well give them the extra point.” 

The Regular Refs need term limits.  It is exactly the big money in Vegas that has bought them already.  Obviously, from the article the Replacement Refs don&#039;t care the impact in Vegas.  

This is really the issue with the Regular Refs.  It is the corruption with Gambling and the Unions that Roger is trying to rid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you think this never happens with Regular Refs?  Think Again!</p>
<p>Several Bills claimed one said &#8220;just give it to them&#8221; (referring to first down yardage) in the huddle. Television instant replays showed that he was short of first down yardage, but the NFL had discontinued use of instant replay the previous season. This was followed by a questionable pass interference call made in the end zone on what would have been the game&#8217;s final play. Bledsoe hit Ben Coates for a touchdown on the final untimed play of the game. In protest, the Bills left the field and let the Patriots kicker Adam Vinateri walk in for a meaningless two-point conversion. Doug Flutie, then the Bills&#8217; quarterback, later quipped &#8220;They gave them the game, we figured we might as well give them the extra point.” </p>
<p>The Regular Refs need term limits.  It is exactly the big money in Vegas that has bought them already.  Obviously, from the article the Replacement Refs don&#8217;t care the impact in Vegas.  </p>
<p>This is really the issue with the Regular Refs.  It is the corruption with Gambling and the Unions that Roger is trying to rid.</p>
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		<title>By: cleverbob</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020635</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cleverbob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And this is why there won&#039;t be any appeals process...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is why there won&#8217;t be any appeals process&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dalucks</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020612</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dalucks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait until we find out the referee was part of the fix?  The plot will thicken.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait until we find out the referee was part of the fix?  The plot will thicken.</p>
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		<title>By: primetime0552</title>
		<link>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/seattle-green-bay-call-caused-huge-swing-in-vegas/#comment-2020611</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[primetime0552]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought point spreads are used to get half the bettors to bet on one team, the other half on the second team. When that happens, the bookie does not care who wins. He gives the looser’s money to the winners and keeps a 10% commission of the loosing bets for himself.
 
The old saying goes: The one person in sports betting that does not gamble is the bookie.
 
Any odds make that sets the line such that 80% is bet on one team deserves to take a bath every now and then.

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Since when did Vegas sportsbooks or other sportsbooks get a commision? That may be the way that bookies work(bookies are also illegal), but Vegas(and other legit sportsbooks) dont have a commission. Say the spread is -110. You bet $110 to win a $100. You win the bet you get the $110 you bet back + the $100 you won. You dont get $189 back because they take 10%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought point spreads are used to get half the bettors to bet on one team, the other half on the second team. When that happens, the bookie does not care who wins. He gives the looser’s money to the winners and keeps a 10% commission of the loosing bets for himself.</p>
<p>The old saying goes: The one person in sports betting that does not gamble is the bookie.</p>
<p>Any odds make that sets the line such that 80% is bet on one team deserves to take a bath every now and then.</p>
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<p>Since when did Vegas sportsbooks or other sportsbooks get a commision? That may be the way that bookies work(bookies are also illegal), but Vegas(and other legit sportsbooks) dont have a commission. Say the spread is -110. You bet $110 to win a $100. You win the bet you get the $110 you bet back + the $100 you won. You dont get $189 back because they take 10%.</p>
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