T.J. Lang tees off on NFL

Getty Images

As the NFL continues to deal with the aftermath of Monday night’s game, the NFL has to deal with angry players in the Green Bay locker room.

Got f–ked by the refs.. Embarrassing. Thanks nfl,” Packers offensive lineman T.J. Lang wrote on Twitter.

And then this:  “F–k it NFL.. Fine me and use the money to pay the regular refs.”

And then one without profanity:  “Any player/coach in Seattle that really thinks they won that game has zero integrity as a man and should be embarrassed.”

Players, in theory, can be fined by the league office for criticizing the officiating.  In this case, fining Lang would be the same as pouring bourbon onto a bonfire.

We expect more Packers players to chime in today and beyond.  This isn’t the kind of anger that goes away after a good night’s sleep.

139 responses to “T.J. Lang tees off on NFL

  1. The ref’s didn’t call offensive P.I. which allowed Tate to get his one hand on the ball.

    First the Steelers game (15 yard chop block on Ziggy), then the Pats game, and now this.

  2. Don’t blame Seattle. That whole “zero integrity as a man…” doesn’t fly. They were dealing with the same refs that GB was and were rolling the dice as well that they wouldn’t get shafted in the end. Maybe ol’ TJ should be more concerned about his integrity as an offensive lineman after the game that they had last night.

  3. Any chance we can cut the entire offensive line for allowing 8 sacks in the 1st half on 4 man rushes and use their salary?

    Any Packer fan that thinks they deserved to win that game after scoring 12 points when you’re supposed to be “elite” “has zero integrity as a man and should be embarrassed.”

  4. YAY! Now the pissed-off Packers get to take out their frustrations on the same team that Goodell already screwed over by taking away their coach–and nobody really knows why.

    Funny how everybody feels sorry for the former but not the latter.

    And don’t give me the “they were warned,” “they did it,” etc. talking points. At this point, nothing has been proven.

  5. Maybe tj should look at himself too. Packers should not have allowed the game to get to that point. When Rodgers is on his butt most of the game how do u expect to win. I guess blame is better to give than receive

  6. hah….what does he expect a Seahawk coach or player to do or say, “Oh no ref that was clearly an interception , I’m a real man and I can’t stand by your touchdown call.”

    I know the Packers are frustrated, but calm down on the man talk business….

  7. Like most NFL players who can’t think for himself, he only knows what he hears on ESPN.

    Money is only one part of it. The old referees are fighting against having any accountability whatsoever for bad calls so that when Ed Hochuli or one of the other old refs who (I know people don’t want to hear it) have blown games in the past (directly affected the outcome of the game for those who need it spelled out) that they don’t need to worry about irate fans or media. They can go right back to work next week.

    So it is a bit more complicated than “Pay them more money”. Even if it was that simplistic, that scenerio rarely works out, just ask the people who screamed to the rafters to pay Chris Johnson whatever he wants because he was worth it. All that did was make Chris Johnson rich, it didn’t improve or guarantee a quality of play.

  8. I can’t help but wonder, if thi had happened to the Browns on a Sunday noon game, would the outcry be a loud?

  9. The Packers have no room to bitch. Remember last years Giants/Packers games? Both were horribly officiated (by the “real” refs) and damn near every bad call went in favor of the Packers. Karma, its a bitch.

  10. And you sir should be embarrased for getting harrased by the Seattle Dline all night. Also, why should seattle fans be embarrased, they didn’t make the call, the refs did. Another thing, I don’t remember you being a tough guy on twitter after the 9ers game in which your team was gifted a free TD.

    Stay humble..

  11. Yeah the Packers got jobbed on the last play BUT don’t put yourself in that situation the other 59:52 where one play can determine the outcome of the game. Also, someone should tell MD Jennings that he should just KNOCK DOWN THE BALL instead of trying to pick it off.

  12. Everyone who say they are done with the NFL are full of it. NFL is still King the new refs are just learning on the job but the old refs quit on them what is the NFL suppose to do cry to the refs to come back with huge unjustified raise and 0% accountablity.

    PS Fine Lang because regardless if he is right or wrong he was wrong for doing so on Twitter. If I have a problem with my work and I go off on twiter I would be fired the next day.

  13. I think this replacement ref argument is too easy. I think they got that call wrong, but it was a close enough situation that I don’t have 100% confidence regular refs would have gotten it right either. Why have we suddenly elevated regular officiating to some mythical level? Every season, every week there’s a consistant gripe about refs.

    I think when you leave a game to a hail mary in which the offensive receiver has his hands on the ball you’ve left the door open for this mess. This is why you bat that ball down!

  14. Waaah. Go cry in your beer, TJ.

    If your almighty offense could have mustered more than 12 points, or even been able to run out the clock with 2 minutes left, maybe you wouldn’t have been in a situation where a bad call would decide it.

    Be a professional, quit bitching about it on Twitter.

  15. That coupled with the 27 PF on the Lions and the horrendous spot (watch the replays, Shaun Hill goes forward) that put the ball a full yard back.
    Tough weekend for the Rep Refs….

  16. Lang speaks for millions of people with his comment,including most of the players.I never want to hear how the Seahawks got shafted by the refs in any future game,you cant call enough bad calls against them to make up for this debacle which they brag they really won while the real NFL world knows they didnt.

  17. This has gotten way out of hand. Don’t buy the lawyering and spin that Goodell is about to try and sell. This was a great, great football game (in the way it was played). It was RUINED by the terrible officiating throughout. Thus, the “product” is ruined. Obviously, they dont care. Which shows you just how wrong they truly are for this game. POS lying-lawyer, rich-boy, wanna be, two-bit-jagoff, arrogant f**king clown!!! And that is the nicest way I can say it. Call this half wit loser yourself. 212-450-2027. This is his real number, thanks Clay Matthews!

  18. Also, love TJ Lang acting like he and his offensive line did anything to help win that game. Maybe he should focus on practice rather than tweeting.

  19. One last thought, why no anger towards the NFLRA not allowing the top level NCAA refs to replace them? The only reason the NCAA refs aren’t reffing right now is because an NFLRA member is the head of NCAA officiating.

    Seriously, no anger that they are preventing the most qualified replacements from taking the field?

  20. I am not a Seahawks or a Packers fan. But it is clear that the Packers got screwed.

    Lots of bad calls by the refs this season but this one is the worst one yet.

  21. Can’t say that I blame them. The league office is looking real bad right now. The locked out refs are looking more valuable by the game. I usually think labor is being greedy in contract demands and overvalue their worth, but in this case, the locked out refs are worth their weight in gold.

  22. How long will it take until fans start staying home or watching something else. i’ll be watching the ryder cup this weekend.

    Goodell and the owners should be ashamed of themselves, only problem, they have no shame. Goodell just lost his battle with Vilma, now he’s afraid to give in and lose another battle with the refs. He’s quickly becoming a horrible commish

  23. If T.J. and his teammates would have played better, it wouldn’t have come down to the last play of the game.

    I know the media is saying the call was wrong. I know Packer fans are saying it was wrong.

    But this is what I saw and what I understand the rules to be:

    Jennings did have “possession” in the air, but to have “possession” the rules state:

    Quote:
    Going to the ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.

    Tate was the first player to get both feet down. He arguably had “possession” of the ball. He maintained “possession” of the ball throughout after going to the ground.

    Simultaneous “possession” goes to the receiver. When both players were on the ground – both players had possession.

    The ref that ruled interception could not have seen what happened in the air – he was behind the play and to the right. Must have been 5 players between him and the ball.

    The ref that ruled TD had a clear view from the front and of the play as it went to the ground.

    If Jennings would have played the ball correctly – as any good defensive coach will tell you – he should never have tried to intercept the ball. What he should have done was bat the ball out of the endzone – game over.

    Poor coaching by the Packers or poor execution by Jennings – take your pick.

  24. Confession time! Guily Pleasure! As a Raider fan I’m enjoying all the replacement ref nonsense. For years the Raiders have been getting jobbed by the refs, and everyone says stop complaining you didn’t do this or you didn’t do that. One play doesn’t decide a game! Well Well Well! What do you think now! How TUCK does it feel now? The refs have always been an issue. Welcome to the world of a Raider Fan!

    Al Davis Forever!!!
    Just Win Baby!!!

  25. Listen Lang, your performance in the 1st half was an embarrassment. I totally agree that that was a blown call, but just like the Giants/Bucs game it is a 60 minute game. Sure it was decided by that call which is unfortunate but move on to the Saints game and just crush them! It’s week 3 and you’ll overcome it. But I agree, BRING BACK THE REGULARS!!!!

  26. The media, analysts & sports announcer stated that the Packers was a better team also was favorite to win last night. Now by my calculation, even though the ref’s made a bad call. Why was Seattle close in this game?
    The packers really underestimated that rookie QB & the Seahawks IMO.
    BTW, I only like the Packers when they play the Cowgirls.
    I really enjoyed the first half.

  27. What’s the point of watching anymore when obvious calls are so blatantly mishandled? The refs screwed the Packers and all NFL fans with this one. Calls go both ways sure, but the video clearly showed a pushoff by Tate and a catch by Jennings, how they managed that call is nothing short of giving the Hawks the game.

  28. When games are managed poorly by the league by the low level officials, only the league can bear the responsibility for for giving their customers a far inferior product at a higher price this season.

    Spitting on the customers and not listening or permitting any communication with their customers is a demonstration of their contempt.

    Smearing their brand with fecal matter also disrespects the pioneers of the game and those who worked so hard for decades to build up league integrity.

    The NFL with bad officials is an adulterated product that is unworthy of respect.

    Penny pinching money grubbing jerks like Jerry Jones who want embarrassingly bad officiating are wrecking the future profitability and moral character of the game.

  29. Boycotts wont work (we cant do it and we know it) What we need is a SINGULAR symbol of our disgust with this. Someone out there smarter and with more means than me, design a logo/symbol that represents our disgust with Goodell the handling of this whole matter. Tweet, FB, get this out there and lets get behind whatever it is. If they see the millions of us unifed, it MIGHT make a difference to them. Although I am now convinced that Jerry (because he keeps opening that hideous plastic mouth) Jones and Goodell are both so arrogant and stupid, it may not.

  30. Refs blew it, but how about the slew of phantom PI calls against Seattle and the million holds by the Pack’s O-Line? It’s bogus that the game had to end on a bad call, but the fact remains the Packers had ample opportunities to WIN because of bad calls. The officiating stunk the whole night, not just for one series.

  31. As a Vikings fan, I feel that te Packers got hosed and I hate the fact that we are leading the NFC North in this fashion. I can’t even feel good about it because it should not be.

    That said, the card carrying union media is backing the union officials and they hate the replacements. Let’s not allow them to confuse things and pin this on the replacements being replacements.

    Remember the Calvin Johnson game winning TD catch in Chicago that was ruled incomplete, eventually costing the Lions a playoff birth?

    Remember the 2009 NFC Championship game costing the Vikings a Super Bowl?

    The old refs were horrible too, and they made plenty of bad calls and had tons of missed calls that had a greater impact than the debacle last night.

    Let’s forget that when the unionized media begins their clamor for their locked out buddies to be rehired.

  32. What’s interesting is those that were/are anti-Union are now pro-Union (in terms of the refs) because it effects something they hold dear, that being football. Hypocritical much?

  33. Maybe Lang should worry about him and the rest of the offensive line giving up 8 sacks in a half instead of whining.
    It went both ways: if the phantom pass-interference call wasn’t called on Chancellor the Pack would never score the go-ahead touchdown.
    It all evens out in the end…

  34. the argument that is a team would’ve played better it wouldn’t have come down to the last play is maybe the worst argument that a fan can ever make. how dumb do you have to be.

  35. The players on Thursday, the first Sunday game, the Sunday night game and Monday should all agree to sit the whole first quarter unless regular refs have an agreement with the league. The fans will still get their games, but it would send a strong enough message to the league to end this ridiculousness.

  36. Whining, quit complaining, be a professional, quit bitching? Some of the stupid comments made by people who obviously know nothing about football!! The Seahawks whipped our butts in the first half but still this was a Packer win if not for these high school referees. The roughing the passer and the pass interference call were bad enough but then the mind boggling call in the end zone?? This is a game played by pros and needs to be refereed by pros!!! As a Packer fan, yes it’s a loss and move on. But as a football fan, this is a disgrace to a game that all of us love.

  37. Expect a phone call today from the league office Mr. Lang. Followed by a very healthy and much deserved fine.

    Control your emotions. And by the way, Block Somebody !!

  38. As a Packer fan, it’s not that Seattle didn’t deserve to win the game. It’s that they didn’t win the game. Oh well. You don’t win 13 championships without overcoming a little adversity.

  39. The last call is the one that stands out but let’s not forget the other bad calls that affected the outcome at least as much as this one.

    The pass interfence call against the Packers on the final drive. Cal it right and the Seahawk drive stops right there.

    The pass interfence call against the Seahawks (on Kam Chancellor) on the Packers TD drive. Call it right and the Packers punt instead of continuing.

    There are others too.

    If they’d got one or more of them right Seattle would likely have been kicking a field goal at worse or trying to run the clock out for a 7-6 win. Does it make this any better? No. But fact is this call wasn’t THE deciding factor, just one of many bad calls.

  40. The scape goat for all fans and players this year is replacement officials. Greenbay should not have put themselves in that situation at end of game. Really what do you think the reg refs would have called. More talk for sports shows today. We all did not think so much of the regular refs becareful what you wish for.

  41. I hate the “you should have scored more points” argument. There is another team on the field with a very good defense playing in perhaps the best home field advantage in sports. You work hard for points in the NFL.

  42. I am getting so sick of the “well you should have played better on the other plays…” argument. It’s true, I guess, but the fact is, at the time of the garbage call the team was in position to win the game.

    The Packers O-Line does look suspect, but that call was garbage and cost them the game. There have been too many of these in many of the other games as well, and I am losing interest in watching any of them.

  43. Tate was the first player to get both feet down. He arguably had “possession” of the ball. He maintained “possession” of the ball throughout after going to the ground.
    ——————————–
    What game were you watching? As everyone who’s seen the replay knows, Tate at one point took his right hand COMPLETELY OFF THE BALL on the way down as he prepared to take another grab at it. On the ground, Tate initially had his arm around Jennings neck while maybe touching the top of the ball. Meanwhile, Jennings clearly caught the ball with both hands and immediately clutched it to his chest where it STAYED throughout his process of going to the ground. There was no simultaneous catch. Jenning caught the ball. Tate gave Jennings a bear hug, which is better than the rediculous mauling he gave Sam Shields.

  44. Regardless of what Green Bays offensive lineman didn’t do in first half, it’s 60 minutes, not 30. They fought and fought and earned that victory. A complete joke of a call. And I’m no Green Bay fan.

  45. The refs aren’t on strike. They’re locked out. The NFL is the one that initiated the work stoppage and the NFL is the one perpetuating the work stoppage.

    As usual, the union bashers don’t know wtf they’re talking about.

  46. I seriously do not understand all of you who say “he played it wrong, he shouldn’t have tried for the pick, he should have batted it down” AFTER just seeing the Titans in the almost exact same situation (the Lions were trying to tie on the play, not win) earlier in the day bat the pass down only for the Lions to catch the deflection for a TD.

  47. gtodriver — My sentiment exactly on both accounts!

    Jennings doesn’t have possession until both feet touch the ground….PERIOD!

    Bottom line for me is that Green Bay has fallen from their pedestal and is a very pedestrian football team this year. Seattle will finish the season at .500 or below and the Packers were in position to lose the game.

  48. Hey idiots saying the players should quit whining answer me one question, did the Packers play well enough to win the game? I thought so. They put in a full week preparing for this game only to be taken away by an AWFUL call. Games are now unwatchable.

  49. What gets me is that I saw some serious (and I mean SERIOUS) offensive holding going uncalled almost every play, yet many of the penalties that were called were either phantom or ticky-tack. There was even a takedown and scuffle in the end zone late in the game between an offensive receiver and a defensive back while an official watched the whole thing transpire standing no more than a yard away. No consistency whatsoever.
    Yeah, the regular refs make plenty of mistakes too, but not nearly at the magnitude of what we’re seeing with the replacements.
    Bring ’em back, PLEASE!

  50. gtodriver says:
    Sep 25, 2012 8:36 AM
    If T.J. and his teammates would have played better, it wouldn’t have come down to the last play of the game.

    I know the media is saying the call was wrong. I know Packer fans are saying it was wrong.

    But this is what I saw and what I understand the rules to be:

    Jennings did have “possession” in the air, but to have “possession” the rules state:

    Quote:
    Going to the ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.

    Tate was the first player to get both feet down. He arguably had “possession” of the ball. He maintained “possession” of the ball throughout after going to the ground.

    Simultaneous “possession” goes to the receiver. When both players were on the ground – both players had possession.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You have absolutely no idea what the term simultaneous catch means. I have officiated at the high school and college level for 21 years and have seen it all of 3 times in that span….it’s almost impossible. On your own back with your left hand maybe touching the ball, your right hand around a player’s neck while the player with the ball has his back between you and the ball and has said ball tucked to his own chest is not POSSESSION to begin with. Tate had possession of Jennings, plain and simple.

    When people talk about selling ocean front property in Arizona…they’re selling it to people like you.

  51. Aren’t all scoring plays reviewed by regular NFL employees in the booth? If so, doesn’t that mean that they upheld the decision by the replacement refs? I’m just curious because if the call was truly reviewed and upheld, then I don’t see why this is the indictment of the replacement officials that people are making it out to be.

  52. Good. Maybe now more people will feel what the Saints, Redskins, and Cowboys have been feeling for months. The NFL does not care about you, only you’re money. They don’t even care about the players as long as they can put a product on the field.

    DHB almost died Sunday due to the NFL’s lack of care.

  53. Those who think he has a right to say this may be right. But why don’t you go cuss out your boss in public on the internet and see what happens. And with this being the NFL and twitter you might as well just say it to your bosses face.

    Let us know what happens…

  54. The replacements may have screwed up once here, but look at what the regular refs let happen in the NFC Championship game with Vikings vs Saints. That was one of the bountygate games. The Saints got away with trying to knock Favre out of the game about 15 times. I think only one roughing the passer call was made.

  55. Hey T.J.

    Maybe if you hold it down to only a half dozen sacks, it doesn’t come down to the last play of the drive.

  56. For those of you stating that you’re going to quit watching NFL games until the regular officials are back, PuLEASE…I suspect you’ll still be there watching every chance you get, just like me.
    It will however, help if you change your mindset to look at it more of in a ‘professional wrestling’ kind of way.
    Next up, Bill Belechick brings a folding chair to the sideline of the Pat’s next game, waiting for a ref to turn his back to him after another asinine call.

  57. Lang has some nerve.. Cry all you want about the Refs but these are the same refs who extended your drive on a phantom P.I. call that ended in a TD for you to go ahead 12-7.. Instead of blaming the refs you punk (Played with Lang @ EMU) cry about how you & your boys gave up 8 sacks in the 1st half.. Cry about how your offense is performing terribly.. If you played better offensively you wouldn’t be in this position to lose off an Hail Mary pass! You wanna blame somebody T.J. blame yourself!!

  58. Refs in booth can not change who caught the ball. Lets get that straight. What I don’t get is the refs on field had no conversation. One ruled an int, the ruled TD.

  59. Stop complaining about the other calls. That crap happens. But the officials actually changed the outcome of a game. Their is no excuse for that.

  60. I love the bat the ball down comments! Two thoughts come to mind

    1. Perhaps batting the ball down would have been a lot easier to do if one of the defenders was not pushed to the ground by Tate right before he jumped for the ball.

    2. We all saw how well batting the ball away worked in the Titans-Lions game. After all the ball was batted away and ended up in a Titus Young’s hands for the score.

    The point is there are no guarantees that batting the ball away is the key to winning last night’s game. What does work? Having refs who can successfully interpret and apply the ENTIRE rule about simultaneous catches to the last play of the game.

  61. Funny how TJ doesn’t make a single comment about the constant holding done by his position group during the second half that went unflagged. Incredibly this is also when the Packers were able to move the ball.

    For example, when Newhouse, during the TD drive, was behind Clemons with his arm wrapped across Clemons’s chest. Exactly like the call against Okung on Matthews, except Newhouse didn’t let go like Okung did.

    I’m quite sure that had the Pack won, TJ wouldn’t have felt the numerous missed holding calls cost Seattle the game.

  62. First we hear Golden Tate saying “don’t know what you’re talking about” when asked about the push off. Now we have to listen to the Seattle fans in denial.

    Man up Chumps and admit your team got a gift, and quit acting like bear hugging a defender is considered possession of a ball.

    Delusional Dolts.

  63. Am I the only person that remembers a really bad phantom offensive pass interference call on Winslow by the regular refs in the 2010 week 15 Bucs/Lions game that negated a TD and caused the Bucs to lose and opened up the last playoff berth for the Packers, who went on to win the Super Bowl that year? Make that …obvious… call correctly and the Packers watch the playoffs from their couches. Just sayin’.

  64. This guy has every right to be pissed. Tate had a PI and MD had the ball. But, the funny thing was the refs looking at each other and calling a TD and clock stoppage for the turnover. Two different calls and missing the obvious, WOW that just signifies this season.
    Lang’s frustration doesn’t justify the poor play by the O-line in the first half. Just like Tate’s interview statement when asked if he pushed off “I don’t know what you are talkin bout, I don’t know what your talkin bout”. Being a fan of both teams, I can see both sides of this argument and when the play happened my immediate thought was why the PI was not called. But, all we can do is laugh at the poor quality of play and officiating in the game. We can also say we watched two good defenses last night to.
    Was the game entertaining: Yes
    Was the game called poorly by the replacement refs: Yes
    Could have the Packers played better: Yes
    Could have Seattle admitted to the PI: why would you when the refs didn’t call it…

  65. jgava19 says:
    Sep 25, 2012 9:26 AM
    Stop complaining about the other calls. That crap happens. But the officials actually changed the outcome of a game. Their is no excuse for that.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Agreed…..what also gets lost in this debacle is the atrocious roughing the passer call against the Packers that gave Seattle a first down it had no business getting. If there IS some sort of crookedness going on between the NFL and the Vegas odds makers, it would come as no surprise based on the first few weeks of football.

  66. jgava19 says:Sep 25, 2012 9:26 AM

    Stop complaining about the other calls. That crap happens. But the officials actually changed the outcome of a game. Their is no excuse for that.

    ————————–

    But those calls altered the game as well.

    If I remember correctly, two years ago Packer fans told Viking fans to stop whining when the refs incorrectly took away a TD that would have won the game for the Vikes. If called correctly the Packers don’t make the playoffs and don’t win the Super Bowl.

    Bad calls happen to every team. It’s early in the season and the Packers have one of the easier schedules in the NFL this year. If they don’t make the playoffs it’s not going to be because of this game; it’ll be because that offense doesn’t look as dangerous and that defense can be had by a good offense.

  67. Lang has some nerve.. Cry all you want about the Refs but these are the same refs who extended your drive on a phantom P.I. call that ended in a TD for you to go ahead 12-7.. Instead of blaming the refs you punk (Played with Lang @ EMU) cry about how you & your boys gave up 8 sacks in the 1st half.. Cry about how your offense is performing terribly.. If you played better offensively you wouldn’t be in this position to lose off an Hail Mary pass! You wanna blame somebody T.J. blame yourself!!

    REALLY??

    The offense did play poorly in the FIRST HALF but the second half they played much better. So I suppose a team has one bad half justifies the high school refs to take the game away from you. I guess the Packers deserved the insane roughing the passer and the pass interference call too because they had a bad first half!! Blame T.J., I don’t think so!

  68. Either fans stop watching the games and send a message to the owners and Goodell or they quit complaining.

    Nothing is going to change unless fans actually stop watching. I think this will happen. Fans gave the refs the benefit of the doubt first couple weeks, but now everyone is getting fed up.

    We have the Ryder Cup this weekend. turn off the NFL and watch some golf. For the Steeler fan, if you’re not into golf, get your dog drunk.

  69. “This guy has every right to be pissed. Tate had a PI and MD had the ball. But, the funny thing was the refs looking at each other and calling a TD and clock stoppage for the turnover”

    You’re using just a little bit of license there. The ref signaled play over by the customary method of crossing his arms repeatedly over his head. If he thought it was a turnover he would have or should have signaled touchback. He looked to the ref that had the superior vantage point to make the call. The clock stops anyway because it was a pass, and the only outcomes were incompletion, completion for a TD or interception for touchback.

  70. “geauxjay says:
    Sep 25, 2012 8:21 AM
    YAY! Now the pissed-off Packers get to take out their frustrations on the same team that Goodell already screwed over by taking away their coach–and nobody really knows why.

    Funny how everybody feels sorry for the former but not the latter.

    And don’t give me the “they were warned,” “they did it,” etc. talking points. At this point, nothing has been proven.”

    Yeah, but they were warned. Sorry that you can’t just sweep that under the rug like everything else.

  71. TJ Lang didn’t get screwed by the refs, he got embarrassed by the Seattle defense, is what happened….
    BTW, where was that Chris Clemons when he was in DC? Since going to Seattle, he’s been an absolute beast

  72. As a bipartisan fan this was my observation.

    First, there should have been a flag for offensive pass interference, from the push, thus ending the game. Second, a player must maintain possession thru the catch. Looked to me Seattle was gaining more control as the players went to the ground. Simultaneous possession. TD

  73. It’s totally understandable that he is angry, but I can’t understand why these grown men take to Twitter to vent their feelings. That’s something my high schooler niece does.

  74. There was no simultaneous possession whatsoever. You could clearly see Gate with one arm touching the top of ball then reaching his free arm in as he was laying on ground. Wake up, fool.

  75. Um, TJ….did the replacement ref’s sack your QB almost 10 times last night? You are the LAST person that should be whining about losing because of the ref’s. Yes, they stink. But if you and your fellow linemen protected Rogers better, your offense would have scored more points and would have won in spite of the rancid replacement ref’s.

  76. I think we are overlooking the big point here. If one team truly played definitively better than the other team, then we wouldn’t have to talk about referees. The players are playing sloppy, dirty, ball, trying to get away with all kinds of stuff.

    The players need to play better ball. Play better than the other guy and it won’t come down to a hail-mary at the end of a game where you put the decision in the hands of inexperienced referees. We should be more mad at the sloppy, undisciplined play of the NFL players than some poor schlep that has to decide an outcome of a game.

  77. People putting the blame on the Packers are kind of missing the point. Sure, they didn’t play very well. BUT, that’s not the issue here. The real issue isn’t whether or not the Packers should have played better to overcome the refs, the issue is that this is a conversation we shouldn’t have to be having IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    We should never have to have a debate over whether a team played well enough to beat the refs. On Tuesday, the conversation about Monday Night Football SHOULD be about one team not playing well enough to beat THE OTHER TEAM. If Tate had clearly caught the ball clean, we’d be talking about the Packers not playing well enough on offense to win, and if the refs had gotten the call right as it was, we’d be talking about the Seahawks squandering a great effort on defense by not producing anything on offense. The fact that the conversation now centers around the bad call is a problem in and of itself, and it means that the debate over the Packers’ level of play is pretty much irrelevant.

    I don’t begrudge people for pointing out that the Packers could have won anyway if they’d played better – the point is, if you’re making that argument, you need to be cognizant of the fact that we shouldn’t be in the kind of situation that you feel compelled to make it.

  78. Sorry jgava19, the ref that signaled play over was at least 10-15 yards away near the goal posts when the ball was caught. He sprinted over, looked to the other ref and waited for that ref’s signal. He was nowhere near the play and never signaled touchback. A signal for touchback is one arm swung up and down at the side, not hands crossed above the head.

  79. For Lions fans just another example of calls that can effect the outcome of games. At least in the Lions cases it affected the rules. Now we have The “process” for a catch. aka “The Calvin Rule” and a turnover now must be reviewed as per the Lions 49ers game last year. Nice to hear the Pack wine for a change.

  80. I watched the game and I too felt robbed of my time, not so much the “who came up with the ball” controversy but that unbelievable pass interference… I mean WOW!!! BTW not a packers fan…

  81. I don’t even like Green Bay and I’m with Lang 100%. If I’m the Packers, I consider a mutiny. All players should until the owners and league get it.

  82. Please people do not say “pay the refs”… that’s not it, it’s a pension thing. If the damn regular refs would get off their high horse and accept a pay raise with no pension this would all go away! It’s a 401k world now… The NFL as a whole did away with pensions and PART-TIME refs union are crying more than anyone, obviously. I have to mention the irony here being in Wisconsin and all, erm… collective bargaining ring a bell? The regular refs are the people to blame here, not Goodell, not the replacements. Although I do support a hefty life insurance plan for the replacement refs, i bet they will be looking over their shoulders for a long long time.

  83. These people saying “Get over it” are so full of it. Like you wouldn’t be complaining had it happened to your team.

    And I’m not a Packer or Seattle fan.

  84. Green bay fans are being morons tell you what I’m gonna start protesting for Super Bowl 40 and for the Denver sandiego game and for the Tennesee Detroit game and ect…. It’s ridiculous how about you guys lay down a block. The game was terribly officiated for both sides I was screaming about a pass interference call that gave the pack a first down when you had no right to it which fame you the go ahead score it was ridiculous or all the holds try called on our o line and all he ones they missed on yours game could have gone either way do whatever. All I can say is I’m happy to wake up this morning being on the positive side of a controversy for the first time in northwest sports

  85. Did the Packers get jobbed? Sure looks like it. However, a lot of people are getting criticized for saying the Packers could have scored more than 12 points. I thought this was a SB caliber team. Didn’t they win 15 games last year and establish one of the highest point totals in NFL history? Wasn’t Rogers speculating he could throw for 5,000+ yards this season? How many 1st Q points have thet scored in three games? (A: Zero).

    You have a lot bigger problems than if you did/didn’t intercept a ball in the end zone.

  86. GB should have won the game and the call was an absolute joke. I am with Lang on that. However, to call out Seattle for taking the win is arrogant and after watching the O-line for the Pack, they don’t have any room to be arrogant. I know that there were replacement refs, but how many Packers O-linemen were replacements? TJ?

  87. Not only did T.J. Lang embarrass himself on the field but off the field as well!

    Can’t throw stones at the refs when you didn’t do your job either, Mr. Self Proclaimed Best Packer Guard.

  88. smorkingapple says:
    “Any Packer fan that thinks they deserved to win that game after scoring 12 points when you’re supposed to be “elite” “has zero integrity as a man and should be embarrassed.”

    ——————
    we scored 9 points when we beat the jets in our superbowl season… Cowboys only scored 7 on seattle’s d… not every game is a shootout – sometimes you’ve gotta win a slugfest… we played good enough to win a slugfest – our Defense forced 3 & outs – then the refs decided to take away 2 interceptions, miss two obvious Offensive PI calls on Tate & Sidney Rice…

  89. Anyone trying to rip on the Packers after they got jobbed by the refs …. should just stop claiming to be a football fan…

    If a team gets jobbed – not one sports fan with integrity would be ripping on the team that was robbed.

  90. smorkingapple says: Sep 25, 2012 8:21 AM

    Any chance we can cut the entire offensive line for allowing 8 sacks in the 1st half on 4 man rushes and use their salary?

    Any Packer fan that thinks they deserved to win that game after scoring 12 points when you’re supposed to be “elite” “has zero integrity as a man and should be embarrassed.”
    ___________
    The Packers played down to the Seahawks level the entire game. They did begin to beat them at their own game in the second half. Did they deserve to lose? Maybe. However losing on that type of call is nauseating. Clearly NOT simultaneous possesion. Tate had one hand on the ball at times. If I won like that I would admit we probably did not deserve it. Why not admit it? It won’t change the outcome.

  91. This is karma after years of Seahawks fans pissing and moaning about XL. And this is getting far more attention than any minor gaffes from that game ever got that Seattle lost in every category anyway.

  92. Anyone who is TICKED OFF that NFL still has the replacement officials in the game, and want the lock-out ended of the regular officials, better be glad that the team that was “victimized” last night was the darlings of the NFL … the Green Bay Packers !!, and not the Ravens or the Raiders !!! Had the controversy involved either of those two teams, no one would be upset today, (outside of their two respective fan bases). THE NFL’s ruling today, just goes to show that they are trying their damn-est to convince the general public that it doesn’t matter. Well, sooner or later they may very well find out that the integrity of their game is suffering from a PR standpoint. The NFL has to get this thing settled soon, or they will start to see some decline in the ratings. As for the REAL REFS, never thought I’d see the day that NFL FANS were ready to give those men a COMPLETE STANDING OVATION !!! But they are !!

  93. I really dnt like the phrase “the Packers were not suppose to let it get to that point.” I mean the Packers scored 12 but the other team only scored 7 so the Packers were where they needed to be b4 the Hail Mary, Now let this be a lesson Jennings ((the rookie)) it was 4th down……..U didn’t need to catch the ball to win the game, U should have swatted that ball out of bounds, it was 4th Down. I kno u caught the ball and wanted to be the hero with a gamesaving INT but with these Refs poor eye sight U needed to just get rid of the ball. Jennings U left it up to chance, when U could have swatted it behind U.

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!