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T.J. Lang tees off on NFL

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As the NFL continues to deal with the aftermath of Monday night’s game, the NFL has to deal with angry players in the Green Bay locker room.

Got f–ked by the refs.. Embarrassing. Thanks nfl,” Packers offensive lineman T.J. Lang wrote on Twitter.

And then this:  “F–k it NFL.. Fine me and use the money to pay the regular refs.”

And then one without profanity:  “Any player/coach in Seattle that really thinks they won that game has zero integrity as a man and should be embarrassed.”

Players, in theory, can be fined by the league office for criticizing the officiating.  In this case, fining Lang would be the same as pouring bourbon onto a bonfire.

We expect more Packers players to chime in today and beyond.  This isn’t the kind of anger that goes away after a good night’s sleep.

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139 Responses to “T.J. Lang tees off on NFL”
  1. myspaceyourface says: Sep 25, 2012 8:18 AM

    The ref’s didn’t call offensive P.I. which allowed Tate to get his one hand on the ball.

    First the Steelers game (15 yard chop block on Ziggy), then the Pats game, and now this.

  2. skoobyfl says: Sep 25, 2012 8:18 AM

    Somewhere, Ed Hochuli is smiling.

  3. jimthebuilder27 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:19 AM

    If there is any justice in the NFL, they will change the outcome of the game and award the Packers the win…and not fine the Packers players.

  4. blackfootkiller says: Sep 25, 2012 8:21 AM

    Whats the T.J. stand for?
    Turnstile Jones?

  5. stevietimmy says: Sep 25, 2012 8:21 AM

    Don’t blame Seattle. That whole “zero integrity as a man…” doesn’t fly. They were dealing with the same refs that GB was and were rolling the dice as well that they wouldn’t get shafted in the end. Maybe ol’ TJ should be more concerned about his integrity as an offensive lineman after the game that they had last night.

  6. smorkingapple says: Sep 25, 2012 8:21 AM

    Any chance we can cut the entire offensive line for allowing 8 sacks in the 1st half on 4 man rushes and use their salary?

    Any Packer fan that thinks they deserved to win that game after scoring 12 points when you’re supposed to be “elite” “has zero integrity as a man and should be embarrassed.”

  7. geauxjay says: Sep 25, 2012 8:21 AM

    YAY! Now the pissed-off Packers get to take out their frustrations on the same team that Goodell already screwed over by taking away their coach–and nobody really knows why.

    Funny how everybody feels sorry for the former but not the latter.

    And don’t give me the “they were warned,” “they did it,” etc. talking points. At this point, nothing has been proven.

  8. demolition510 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:22 AM

    The man’s gotta point

  9. ericpburt says: Sep 25, 2012 8:22 AM

    Maybe tj should look at himself too. Packers should not have allowed the game to get to that point. When Rodgers is on his butt most of the game how do u expect to win. I guess blame is better to give than receive

  10. The Metal Pigeon says: Sep 25, 2012 8:22 AM

    hah….what does he expect a Seahawk coach or player to do or say, “Oh no ref that was clearly an interception , I’m a real man and I can’t stand by your touchdown call.”

    I know the Packers are frustrated, but calm down on the man talk business….

  11. eagleswin says: Sep 25, 2012 8:22 AM

    Like most NFL players who can’t think for himself, he only knows what he hears on ESPN.

    Money is only one part of it. The old referees are fighting against having any accountability whatsoever for bad calls so that when Ed Hochuli or one of the other old refs who (I know people don’t want to hear it) have blown games in the past (directly affected the outcome of the game for those who need it spelled out) that they don’t need to worry about irate fans or media. They can go right back to work next week.

    So it is a bit more complicated than “Pay them more money”. Even if it was that simplistic, that scenerio rarely works out, just ask the people who screamed to the rafters to pay Chris Johnson whatever he wants because he was worth it. All that did was make Chris Johnson rich, it didn’t improve or guarantee a quality of play.

  12. 34sweetness says: Sep 25, 2012 8:22 AM

    I can’t help but wonder, if thi had happened to the Browns on a Sunday noon game, would the outcry be a loud?

  13. zoxitic says: Sep 25, 2012 8:23 AM

    Only Seattle and the locked out refs are happy this morning.

  14. a1evilboy says: Sep 25, 2012 8:23 AM

    He has every right to be pissed. I’ve never seen anything like what I saw last night.

  15. zaggs says: Sep 25, 2012 8:24 AM

    The Packers have no room to bitch. Remember last years Giants/Packers games? Both were horribly officiated (by the “real” refs) and damn near every bad call went in favor of the Packers. Karma, its a bitch.

  16. mountaindont says: Sep 25, 2012 8:24 AM

    Tate-Gate

  17. bigredcards says: Sep 25, 2012 8:25 AM

    He has every right to be pissed off…

  18. h3min1230 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:25 AM

    And you sir should be embarrased for getting harrased by the Seattle Dline all night. Also, why should seattle fans be embarrased, they didn’t make the call, the refs did. Another thing, I don’t remember you being a tough guy on twitter after the 9ers game in which your team was gifted a free TD.

    Stay humble..

  19. vikesfan4life says: Sep 25, 2012 8:26 AM

    Yeah the Packers got jobbed on the last play BUT don’t put yourself in that situation the other 59:52 where one play can determine the outcome of the game. Also, someone should tell MD Jennings that he should just KNOCK DOWN THE BALL instead of trying to pick it off.

  20. kingmj4891 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:26 AM

    Everyone who say they are done with the NFL are full of it. NFL is still King the new refs are just learning on the job but the old refs quit on them what is the NFL suppose to do cry to the refs to come back with huge unjustified raise and 0% accountablity.

    PS Fine Lang because regardless if he is right or wrong he was wrong for doing so on Twitter. If I have a problem with my work and I go off on twiter I would be fired the next day.

  21. pixelito says: Sep 25, 2012 8:27 AM

    Waaaaa, bad calls happen, deal with it.

    Next time knock the ball down.

  22. sanchock says: Sep 25, 2012 8:28 AM

    I think this replacement ref argument is too easy. I think they got that call wrong, but it was a close enough situation that I don’t have 100% confidence regular refs would have gotten it right either. Why have we suddenly elevated regular officiating to some mythical level? Every season, every week there’s a consistant gripe about refs.

    I think when you leave a game to a hail mary in which the offensive receiver has his hands on the ball you’ve left the door open for this mess. This is why you bat that ball down!

  23. calolson says: Sep 25, 2012 8:28 AM

    Waaah. Go cry in your beer, TJ.

    If your almighty offense could have mustered more than 12 points, or even been able to run out the clock with 2 minutes left, maybe you wouldn’t have been in a situation where a bad call would decide it.

    Be a professional, quit bitching about it on Twitter.

  24. xpensivewinos says: Sep 25, 2012 8:28 AM

    Maybe Don McLean can write a cool, long song about the Day Integrity Died in the NFL…….

  25. gloxford says: Sep 25, 2012 8:29 AM

    Finally, someone speaks the truth. I said alot worse in my living room, and I not a fan of either team.

    Hey NFL Pay the Ref’s.

  26. howiefeltersnatch says: Sep 25, 2012 8:29 AM

    At first I thought you meant that lesbian singer lady

  27. lostsok says: Sep 25, 2012 8:29 AM

    Want a little whine with that CHEESE?

  28. razsan says: Sep 25, 2012 8:29 AM

    That coupled with the 27 PF on the Lions and the horrendous spot (watch the replays, Shaun Hill goes forward) that put the ball a full yard back.
    Tough weekend for the Rep Refs….

  29. bigdon1024 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:29 AM

    He should be pissed.. they got screwed on that call.. just a terrible way to lose a game

  30. dmartin17 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:30 AM

    And today I learned an offensive lineman’s name!

  31. billh1947 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:30 AM

    Lang speaks for millions of people with his comment,including most of the players.I never want to hear how the Seahawks got shafted by the refs in any future game,you cant call enough bad calls against them to make up for this debacle which they brag they really won while the real NFL world knows they didnt.

  32. richndc says: Sep 25, 2012 8:31 AM

    This has gotten way out of hand. Don’t buy the lawyering and spin that Goodell is about to try and sell. This was a great, great football game (in the way it was played). It was RUINED by the terrible officiating throughout. Thus, the “product” is ruined. Obviously, they dont care. Which shows you just how wrong they truly are for this game. POS lying-lawyer, rich-boy, wanna be, two-bit-jagoff, arrogant f**king clown!!! And that is the nicest way I can say it. Call this half wit loser yourself. 212-450-2027. This is his real number, thanks Clay Matthews!

  33. sanchock says: Sep 25, 2012 8:31 AM

    Also, love TJ Lang acting like he and his offensive line did anything to help win that game. Maybe he should focus on practice rather than tweeting.

  34. bigperm33 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:32 AM

    Good for TJ Lang.

  35. eagleswin says: Sep 25, 2012 8:33 AM

    One last thought, why no anger towards the NFLRA not allowing the top level NCAA refs to replace them? The only reason the NCAA refs aren’t reffing right now is because an NFLRA member is the head of NCAA officiating.

    Seriously, no anger that they are preventing the most qualified replacements from taking the field?

  36. johnnyjagfan says: Sep 25, 2012 8:34 AM

    I love the part about “fine me” and use the $ to pay the regs to come back.

  37. dumbasdirt says: Sep 25, 2012 8:34 AM

    I am not a Seahawks or a Packers fan. But it is clear that the Packers got screwed.

    Lots of bad calls by the refs this season but this one is the worst one yet.

  38. ebr362 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:35 AM

    Can’t say that I blame them. The league office is looking real bad right now. The locked out refs are looking more valuable by the game. I usually think labor is being greedy in contract demands and overvalue their worth, but in this case, the locked out refs are worth their weight in gold.

  39. prince5000 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:35 AM

    telling it like it is – no football fan should have a problem with this.

  40. hoosiermizuno says: Sep 25, 2012 8:36 AM

    How long will it take until fans start staying home or watching something else. i’ll be watching the ryder cup this weekend.

    Goodell and the owners should be ashamed of themselves, only problem, they have no shame. Goodell just lost his battle with Vilma, now he’s afraid to give in and lose another battle with the refs. He’s quickly becoming a horrible commish

  41. daburgher says: Sep 25, 2012 8:36 AM

    Get em TJ

  42. gtodriver says: Sep 25, 2012 8:36 AM

    If T.J. and his teammates would have played better, it wouldn’t have come down to the last play of the game.

    I know the media is saying the call was wrong. I know Packer fans are saying it was wrong.

    But this is what I saw and what I understand the rules to be:

    Jennings did have “possession” in the air, but to have “possession” the rules state:

    Quote:
    Going to the ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.

    Tate was the first player to get both feet down. He arguably had “possession” of the ball. He maintained “possession” of the ball throughout after going to the ground.

    Simultaneous “possession” goes to the receiver. When both players were on the ground – both players had possession.

    The ref that ruled interception could not have seen what happened in the air – he was behind the play and to the right. Must have been 5 players between him and the ball.

    The ref that ruled TD had a clear view from the front and of the play as it went to the ground.

    If Jennings would have played the ball correctly – as any good defensive coach will tell you – he should never have tried to intercept the ball. What he should have done was bat the ball out of the endzone – game over.

    Poor coaching by the Packers or poor execution by Jennings – take your pick.

  43. raider17 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:36 AM

    Confession time! Guily Pleasure! As a Raider fan I’m enjoying all the replacement ref nonsense. For years the Raiders have been getting jobbed by the refs, and everyone says stop complaining you didn’t do this or you didn’t do that. One play doesn’t decide a game! Well Well Well! What do you think now! How TUCK does it feel now? The refs have always been an issue. Welcome to the world of a Raider Fan!

    Al Davis Forever!!!
    Just Win Baby!!!

  44. marauder6 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:38 AM

    Listen Lang, your performance in the 1st half was an embarrassment. I totally agree that that was a blown call, but just like the Giants/Bucs game it is a 60 minute game. Sure it was decided by that call which is unfortunate but move on to the Saints game and just crush them! It’s week 3 and you’ll overcome it. But I agree, BRING BACK THE REGULARS!!!!

  45. tmac4454 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:39 AM

    The media, analysts & sports announcer stated that the Packers was a better team also was favorite to win last night. Now by my calculation, even though the ref’s made a bad call. Why was Seattle close in this game?
    The packers really underestimated that rookie QB & the Seahawks IMO.
    BTW, I only like the Packers when they play the Cowgirls.
    I really enjoyed the first half.

  46. tigers182 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:39 AM

    I’m curious about a fine for Lang. There were well over 100 players throughout the league tweeting similar comments.

  47. calloustongue says: Sep 25, 2012 8:40 AM

    What’s the point of watching anymore when obvious calls are so blatantly mishandled? The refs screwed the Packers and all NFL fans with this one. Calls go both ways sure, but the video clearly showed a pushoff by Tate and a catch by Jennings, how they managed that call is nothing short of giving the Hawks the game.

  48. bobnelsonjr says: Sep 25, 2012 8:41 AM

    When games are managed poorly by the league by the low level officials, only the league can bear the responsibility for for giving their customers a far inferior product at a higher price this season.

    Spitting on the customers and not listening or permitting any communication with their customers is a demonstration of their contempt.

    Smearing their brand with fecal matter also disrespects the pioneers of the game and those who worked so hard for decades to build up league integrity.

    The NFL with bad officials is an adulterated product that is unworthy of respect.

    Penny pinching money grubbing jerks like Jerry Jones who want embarrassingly bad officiating are wrecking the future profitability and moral character of the game.

  49. jtchernak says: Sep 25, 2012 8:41 AM

    Refs 2 packers and patriots 0

  50. richndc says: Sep 25, 2012 8:42 AM

    Boycotts wont work (we cant do it and we know it) What we need is a SINGULAR symbol of our disgust with this. Someone out there smarter and with more means than me, design a logo/symbol that represents our disgust with Goodell the handling of this whole matter. Tweet, FB, get this out there and lets get behind whatever it is. If they see the millions of us unifed, it MIGHT make a difference to them. Although I am now convinced that Jerry (because he keeps opening that hideous plastic mouth) Jones and Goodell are both so arrogant and stupid, it may not.

  51. mattshaubsear says: Sep 25, 2012 8:42 AM

    Maybe the D should have tried to KNOCK IT DOWN and we would not be discussing this today.
    There would be no discussion if the db’s did what they were taught to do.

  52. bla bla bla says: Sep 25, 2012 8:43 AM

    Take a look. interception all the way.

    http://i.imgur.com/hOrH7.jpg

  53. ihaterogergoodell says: Sep 25, 2012 8:43 AM

    Refs blew it, but how about the slew of phantom PI calls against Seattle and the million holds by the Pack’s O-Line? It’s bogus that the game had to end on a bad call, but the fact remains the Packers had ample opportunities to WIN because of bad calls. The officiating stunk the whole night, not just for one series.

  54. tucostacos says: Sep 25, 2012 8:44 AM

    Way to deflect blame from your horrible line play, that was one of
    the worst blocking performances in recent memory…this coming form a Bears fan.

  55. pittsburghavenue says: Sep 25, 2012 8:46 AM

    Goodell has made no public comments about this rediculous mess. What a coward.

  56. flipside715 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:46 AM

    Roger Goodell should get slapped for causing this

  57. zn0rseman says: Sep 25, 2012 8:47 AM

    As a Vikings fan, I feel that te Packers got hosed and I hate the fact that we are leading the NFC North in this fashion. I can’t even feel good about it because it should not be.

    That said, the card carrying union media is backing the union officials and they hate the replacements. Let’s not allow them to confuse things and pin this on the replacements being replacements.

    Remember the Calvin Johnson game winning TD catch in Chicago that was ruled incomplete, eventually costing the Lions a playoff birth?

    Remember the 2009 NFC Championship game costing the Vikings a Super Bowl?

    The old refs were horrible too, and they made plenty of bad calls and had tons of missed calls that had a greater impact than the debacle last night.

    Let’s forget that when the unionized media begins their clamor for their locked out buddies to be rehired.

  58. achilles920 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:48 AM

    What’s interesting is those that were/are anti-Union are now pro-Union (in terms of the refs) because it effects something they hold dear, that being football. Hypocritical much?

  59. sinjin1696 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:48 AM

    Maybe Lang should worry about him and the rest of the offensive line giving up 8 sacks in a half instead of whining.
    It went both ways: if the phantom pass-interference call wasn’t called on Chancellor the Pack would never score the go-ahead touchdown.
    It all evens out in the end…

  60. dfeltz says: Sep 25, 2012 8:50 AM

    If TJ Lang feels this way then it must be true. All Hail a guy we’ve never heard of.

  61. hoosiermizuno says: Sep 25, 2012 8:52 AM

    the argument that is a team would’ve played better it wouldn’t have come down to the last play is maybe the worst argument that a fan can ever make. how dumb do you have to be.

  62. anythingbutyanks says: Sep 25, 2012 8:53 AM

    The players on Thursday, the first Sunday game, the Sunday night game and Monday should all agree to sit the whole first quarter unless regular refs have an agreement with the league. The fans will still get their games, but it would send a strong enough message to the league to end this ridiculousness.

  63. gbpack50 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:54 AM

    Whining, quit complaining, be a professional, quit bitching? Some of the stupid comments made by people who obviously know nothing about football!! The Seahawks whipped our butts in the first half but still this was a Packer win if not for these high school referees. The roughing the passer and the pass interference call were bad enough but then the mind boggling call in the end zone?? This is a game played by pros and needs to be refereed by pros!!! As a Packer fan, yes it’s a loss and move on. But as a football fan, this is a disgrace to a game that all of us love.

  64. gmsingh says: Sep 25, 2012 8:55 AM

    Wait, shouldn’t a member of Green Bay’s O-line be apologizing for the 8 sacks they gave up in one half before going after the officials?

  65. greglandry says: Sep 25, 2012 8:57 AM

    Expect a phone call today from the league office Mr. Lang. Followed by a very healthy and much deserved fine.

    Control your emotions. And by the way, Block Somebody !!

  66. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 25, 2012 8:57 AM

    As a Packer fan, it’s not that Seattle didn’t deserve to win the game. It’s that they didn’t win the game. Oh well. You don’t win 13 championships without overcoming a little adversity.

  67. donnymacjack says: Sep 25, 2012 8:59 AM

    The last call is the one that stands out but let’s not forget the other bad calls that affected the outcome at least as much as this one.

    The pass interfence call against the Packers on the final drive. Cal it right and the Seahawk drive stops right there.

    The pass interfence call against the Seahawks (on Kam Chancellor) on the Packers TD drive. Call it right and the Packers punt instead of continuing.

    There are others too.

    If they’d got one or more of them right Seattle would likely have been kicking a field goal at worse or trying to run the clock out for a 7-6 win. Does it make this any better? No. But fact is this call wasn’t THE deciding factor, just one of many bad calls.

  68. melikefootball says: Sep 25, 2012 9:00 AM

    The scape goat for all fans and players this year is replacement officials. Greenbay should not have put themselves in that situation at end of game. Really what do you think the reg refs would have called. More talk for sports shows today. We all did not think so much of the regular refs becareful what you wish for.

  69. jmble says: Sep 25, 2012 9:01 AM

    I hate the “you should have scored more points” argument. There is another team on the field with a very good defense playing in perhaps the best home field advantage in sports. You work hard for points in the NFL.

  70. severinsmith says: Sep 25, 2012 9:01 AM

    I am getting so sick of the “well you should have played better on the other plays…” argument. It’s true, I guess, but the fact is, at the time of the garbage call the team was in position to win the game.

    The Packers O-Line does look suspect, but that call was garbage and cost them the game. There have been too many of these in many of the other games as well, and I am losing interest in watching any of them.

  71. truthisbest says: Sep 25, 2012 9:03 AM

    Tate was the first player to get both feet down. He arguably had “possession” of the ball. He maintained “possession” of the ball throughout after going to the ground.
    ——————————–
    What game were you watching? As everyone who’s seen the replay knows, Tate at one point took his right hand COMPLETELY OFF THE BALL on the way down as he prepared to take another grab at it. On the ground, Tate initially had his arm around Jennings neck while maybe touching the top of the ball. Meanwhile, Jennings clearly caught the ball with both hands and immediately clutched it to his chest where it STAYED throughout his process of going to the ground. There was no simultaneous catch. Jenning caught the ball. Tate gave Jennings a bear hug, which is better than the rediculous mauling he gave Sam Shields.

  72. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:03 AM

    Regardless of what Green Bays offensive lineman didn’t do in first half, it’s 60 minutes, not 30. They fought and fought and earned that victory. A complete joke of a call. And I’m no Green Bay fan.

  73. bla bla bla says: Sep 25, 2012 9:03 AM

    The refs aren’t on strike. They’re locked out. The NFL is the one that initiated the work stoppage and the NFL is the one perpetuating the work stoppage.

    As usual, the union bashers don’t know wtf they’re talking about.

  74. ahostiletakeover says: Sep 25, 2012 9:04 AM

    I seriously do not understand all of you who say “he played it wrong, he shouldn’t have tried for the pick, he should have batted it down” AFTER just seeing the Titans in the almost exact same situation (the Lions were trying to tie on the play, not win) earlier in the day bat the pass down only for the Lions to catch the deflection for a TD.

  75. jimboinlimbo says: Sep 25, 2012 9:05 AM

    gtodriver — My sentiment exactly on both accounts!

    Jennings doesn’t have possession until both feet touch the ground….PERIOD!

    Bottom line for me is that Green Bay has fallen from their pedestal and is a very pedestrian football team this year. Seattle will finish the season at .500 or below and the Packers were in position to lose the game.

  76. tritz32 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:06 AM

    Hey idiots saying the players should quit whining answer me one question, did the Packers play well enough to win the game? I thought so. They put in a full week preparing for this game only to be taken away by an AWFUL call. Games are now unwatchable.

  77. getadealdonealready says: Sep 25, 2012 9:08 AM

    Hey Packers I have an idea you should bring in cutler to yell at and push around your O-line, because it is the worst I have ever seen!

  78. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:08 AM

    First we had the “Immaculate Reception”

    Now we have the “Inaccurate Reception”

  79. guitarrebel says: Sep 25, 2012 9:09 AM

    What gets me is that I saw some serious (and I mean SERIOUS) offensive holding going uncalled almost every play, yet many of the penalties that were called were either phantom or ticky-tack. There was even a takedown and scuffle in the end zone late in the game between an offensive receiver and a defensive back while an official watched the whole thing transpire standing no more than a yard away. No consistency whatsoever.
    Yeah, the regular refs make plenty of mistakes too, but not nearly at the magnitude of what we’re seeing with the replacements.
    Bring ‘em back, PLEASE!

  80. Canned Heat says: Sep 25, 2012 9:10 AM

    gtodriver says:
    Sep 25, 2012 8:36 AM
    If T.J. and his teammates would have played better, it wouldn’t have come down to the last play of the game.

    I know the media is saying the call was wrong. I know Packer fans are saying it was wrong.

    But this is what I saw and what I understand the rules to be:

    Jennings did have “possession” in the air, but to have “possession” the rules state:

    Quote:
    Going to the ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.

    Tate was the first player to get both feet down. He arguably had “possession” of the ball. He maintained “possession” of the ball throughout after going to the ground.

    Simultaneous “possession” goes to the receiver. When both players were on the ground – both players had possession.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You have absolutely no idea what the term simultaneous catch means. I have officiated at the high school and college level for 21 years and have seen it all of 3 times in that span….it’s almost impossible. On your own back with your left hand maybe touching the ball, your right hand around a player’s neck while the player with the ball has his back between you and the ball and has said ball tucked to his own chest is not POSSESSION to begin with. Tate had possession of Jennings, plain and simple.

    When people talk about selling ocean front property in Arizona…they’re selling it to people like you.

  81. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:10 AM

    Anyone who thinks Tate had possession of the ball is a complete tool. Must be a Seattle fan.

    Who had the ball tucked against their chest???

  82. webofbelief says: Sep 25, 2012 9:11 AM

    Aren’t all scoring plays reviewed by regular NFL employees in the booth? If so, doesn’t that mean that they upheld the decision by the replacement refs? I’m just curious because if the call was truly reviewed and upheld, then I don’t see why this is the indictment of the replacement officials that people are making it out to be.

  83. jmsincla says: Sep 25, 2012 9:12 AM

    Good. Maybe now more people will feel what the Saints, Redskins, and Cowboys have been feeling for months. The NFL does not care about you, only you’re money. They don’t even care about the players as long as they can put a product on the field.

    DHB almost died Sunday due to the NFL’s lack of care.

  84. skeetys says: Sep 25, 2012 9:14 AM

    Those who think he has a right to say this may be right. But why don’t you go cuss out your boss in public on the internet and see what happens. And with this being the NFL and twitter you might as well just say it to your bosses face.

    Let us know what happens…

  85. skeetys says: Sep 25, 2012 9:16 AM

    The replacements may have screwed up once here, but look at what the regular refs let happen in the NFC Championship game with Vikings vs Saints. That was one of the bountygate games. The Saints got away with trying to knock Favre out of the game about 15 times. I think only one roughing the passer call was made.

  86. jlinatl says: Sep 25, 2012 9:17 AM

    Hey T.J.

    Maybe if you hold it down to only a half dozen sacks, it doesn’t come down to the last play of the drive.

  87. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:19 AM

    First time a QB has thrown the game winning interception.

  88. slatetundra07 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:20 AM

    Haters are going to hate. The world and even Hawks fans knew the Pack got jobbed!

  89. guitarrebel says: Sep 25, 2012 9:21 AM

    For those of you stating that you’re going to quit watching NFL games until the regular officials are back, PuLEASE…I suspect you’ll still be there watching every chance you get, just like me.
    It will however, help if you change your mindset to look at it more of in a ‘professional wrestling’ kind of way.
    Next up, Bill Belechick brings a folding chair to the sideline of the Pat’s next game, waiting for a ref to turn his back to him after another asinine call.

  90. nesby2 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:22 AM

    Lang has some nerve.. Cry all you want about the Refs but these are the same refs who extended your drive on a phantom P.I. call that ended in a TD for you to go ahead 12-7.. Instead of blaming the refs you punk (Played with Lang @ EMU) cry about how you & your boys gave up 8 sacks in the 1st half.. Cry about how your offense is performing terribly.. If you played better offensively you wouldn’t be in this position to lose off an Hail Mary pass! You wanna blame somebody T.J. blame yourself!!

  91. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:24 AM

    Refs in booth can not change who caught the ball. Lets get that straight. What I don’t get is the refs on field had no conversation. One ruled an int, the ruled TD.

  92. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:26 AM

    Stop complaining about the other calls. That crap happens. But the officials actually changed the outcome of a game. Their is no excuse for that.

  93. lucky5936 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:29 AM

    I love the bat the ball down comments! Two thoughts come to mind

    1. Perhaps batting the ball down would have been a lot easier to do if one of the defenders was not pushed to the ground by Tate right before he jumped for the ball.

    2. We all saw how well batting the ball away worked in the Titans-Lions game. After all the ball was batted away and ended up in a Titus Young’s hands for the score.

    The point is there are no guarantees that batting the ball away is the key to winning last night’s game. What does work? Having refs who can successfully interpret and apply the ENTIRE rule about simultaneous catches to the last play of the game.

  94. truthserum4u says: Sep 25, 2012 9:32 AM

    Funny how TJ doesn’t make a single comment about the constant holding done by his position group during the second half that went unflagged. Incredibly this is also when the Packers were able to move the ball.

    For example, when Newhouse, during the TD drive, was behind Clemons with his arm wrapped across Clemons’s chest. Exactly like the call against Okung on Matthews, except Newhouse didn’t let go like Okung did.

    I’m quite sure that had the Pack won, TJ wouldn’t have felt the numerous missed holding calls cost Seattle the game.

  95. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:32 AM

    First we hear Golden Tate saying “don’t know what you’re talking about” when asked about the push off. Now we have to listen to the Seattle fans in denial.

    Man up Chumps and admit your team got a gift, and quit acting like bear hugging a defender is considered possession of a ball.

    Delusional Dolts.

  96. bluebongzilla says: Sep 25, 2012 9:33 AM

    Am I the only person that remembers a really bad phantom offensive pass interference call on Winslow by the regular refs in the 2010 week 15 Bucs/Lions game that negated a TD and caused the Bucs to lose and opened up the last playoff berth for the Packers, who went on to win the Super Bowl that year? Make that …obvious… call correctly and the Packers watch the playoffs from their couches. Just sayin’.

  97. swu32733 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:33 AM

    About time the Seahawks are on the right end of an officiating screw job.

  98. mountaindont says: Sep 25, 2012 9:34 AM

    Golden-Gate

  99. bjeff3200 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:35 AM

    This guy has every right to be pissed. Tate had a PI and MD had the ball. But, the funny thing was the refs looking at each other and calling a TD and clock stoppage for the turnover. Two different calls and missing the obvious, WOW that just signifies this season.
    Lang’s frustration doesn’t justify the poor play by the O-line in the first half. Just like Tate’s interview statement when asked if he pushed off “I don’t know what you are talkin bout, I don’t know what your talkin bout”. Being a fan of both teams, I can see both sides of this argument and when the play happened my immediate thought was why the PI was not called. But, all we can do is laugh at the poor quality of play and officiating in the game. We can also say we watched two good defenses last night to.
    Was the game entertaining: Yes
    Was the game called poorly by the replacement refs: Yes
    Could have the Packers played better: Yes
    Could have Seattle admitted to the PI: why would you when the refs didn’t call it…

  100. Canned Heat says: Sep 25, 2012 9:38 AM

    jgava19 says:
    Sep 25, 2012 9:26 AM
    Stop complaining about the other calls. That crap happens. But the officials actually changed the outcome of a game. Their is no excuse for that.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Agreed…..what also gets lost in this debacle is the atrocious roughing the passer call against the Packers that gave Seattle a first down it had no business getting. If there IS some sort of crookedness going on between the NFL and the Vegas odds makers, it would come as no surprise based on the first few weeks of football.

  101. rambo888 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:39 AM

    Screw the NFL for there use of crappy refs

  102. truthserum4u says: Sep 25, 2012 9:42 AM

    jgava19 says:Sep 25, 2012 9:26 AM

    Stop complaining about the other calls. That crap happens. But the officials actually changed the outcome of a game. Their is no excuse for that.

    ————————–

    But those calls altered the game as well.

    If I remember correctly, two years ago Packer fans told Viking fans to stop whining when the refs incorrectly took away a TD that would have won the game for the Vikes. If called correctly the Packers don’t make the playoffs and don’t win the Super Bowl.

    Bad calls happen to every team. It’s early in the season and the Packers have one of the easier schedules in the NFL this year. If they don’t make the playoffs it’s not going to be because of this game; it’ll be because that offense doesn’t look as dangerous and that defense can be had by a good offense.

  103. gbpack50 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:43 AM

    Lang has some nerve.. Cry all you want about the Refs but these are the same refs who extended your drive on a phantom P.I. call that ended in a TD for you to go ahead 12-7.. Instead of blaming the refs you punk (Played with Lang @ EMU) cry about how you & your boys gave up 8 sacks in the 1st half.. Cry about how your offense is performing terribly.. If you played better offensively you wouldn’t be in this position to lose off an Hail Mary pass! You wanna blame somebody T.J. blame yourself!!

    REALLY??

    The offense did play poorly in the FIRST HALF but the second half they played much better. So I suppose a team has one bad half justifies the high school refs to take the game away from you. I guess the Packers deserved the insane roughing the passer and the pass interference call too because they had a bad first half!! Blame T.J., I don’t think so!

  104. hoosiermizuno says: Sep 25, 2012 9:43 AM

    Either fans stop watching the games and send a message to the owners and Goodell or they quit complaining.

    Nothing is going to change unless fans actually stop watching. I think this will happen. Fans gave the refs the benefit of the doubt first couple weeks, but now everyone is getting fed up.

    We have the Ryder Cup this weekend. turn off the NFL and watch some golf. For the Steeler fan, if you’re not into golf, get your dog drunk.

  105. bluebongzilla says: Sep 25, 2012 9:52 AM

    “This guy has every right to be pissed. Tate had a PI and MD had the ball. But, the funny thing was the refs looking at each other and calling a TD and clock stoppage for the turnover”

    You’re using just a little bit of license there. The ref signaled play over by the customary method of crossing his arms repeatedly over his head. If he thought it was a turnover he would have or should have signaled touchback. He looked to the ref that had the superior vantage point to make the call. The clock stops anyway because it was a pass, and the only outcomes were incompletion, completion for a TD or interception for touchback.

  106. stevietimmy says: Sep 25, 2012 9:52 AM

    “geauxjay says:
    Sep 25, 2012 8:21 AM
    YAY! Now the pissed-off Packers get to take out their frustrations on the same team that Goodell already screwed over by taking away their coach–and nobody really knows why.

    Funny how everybody feels sorry for the former but not the latter.

    And don’t give me the “they were warned,” “they did it,” etc. talking points. At this point, nothing has been proven.”

    Yeah, but they were warned. Sorry that you can’t just sweep that under the rug like everything else.

  107. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:56 AM

    He did signal touchback. And the guy in the back of the end zone had the better view, NOT the one who signaled TD. Open your eyes.

  108. blackqbwhiterb says: Sep 25, 2012 9:58 AM

    TJ Lang didn’t get screwed by the refs, he got embarrassed by the Seattle defense, is what happened….
    BTW, where was that Chris Clemons when he was in DC? Since going to Seattle, he’s been an absolute beast

  109. lucky5936 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:02 AM

    I hate Roger Goodell for even letting it come to this. Second season in a row he has ruined with his stealth negotiating tactics.

  110. bigdaddybullwhip says: Sep 25, 2012 10:03 AM

    As a bipartisan fan this was my observation.

    First, there should have been a flag for offensive pass interference, from the push, thus ending the game. Second, a player must maintain possession thru the catch. Looked to me Seattle was gaining more control as the players went to the ground. Simultaneous possession. TD

  111. veinsofgod says: Sep 25, 2012 10:07 AM

    It’s totally understandable that he is angry, but I can’t understand why these grown men take to Twitter to vent their feelings. That’s something my high schooler niece does.

  112. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:14 AM

    There was no simultaneous possession whatsoever. You could clearly see Gate with one arm touching the top of ball then reaching his free arm in as he was laying on ground. Wake up, fool.

  113. apmn says: Sep 25, 2012 10:14 AM

    It’s just a football game, ladies.

  114. jgava19 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:16 AM

    By rule, you can’t gain simultaneous possession after another player had it first. Case closed.

  115. 2ndaryinsanity says: Sep 25, 2012 10:16 AM

    Um, TJ….did the replacement ref’s sack your QB almost 10 times last night? You are the LAST person that should be whining about losing because of the ref’s. Yes, they stink. But if you and your fellow linemen protected Rogers better, your offense would have scored more points and would have won in spite of the rancid replacement ref’s.

  116. headonaswivel says: Sep 25, 2012 10:19 AM

    Actually, he is right, Pete Carroll has absolutely zero integrity.

  117. kevinb73 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:25 AM

    I think we are overlooking the big point here. If one team truly played definitively better than the other team, then we wouldn’t have to talk about referees. The players are playing sloppy, dirty, ball, trying to get away with all kinds of stuff.

    The players need to play better ball. Play better than the other guy and it won’t come down to a hail-mary at the end of a game where you put the decision in the hands of inexperienced referees. We should be more mad at the sloppy, undisciplined play of the NFL players than some poor schlep that has to decide an outcome of a game.

  118. warhawk137 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:30 AM

    People putting the blame on the Packers are kind of missing the point. Sure, they didn’t play very well. BUT, that’s not the issue here. The real issue isn’t whether or not the Packers should have played better to overcome the refs, the issue is that this is a conversation we shouldn’t have to be having IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    We should never have to have a debate over whether a team played well enough to beat the refs. On Tuesday, the conversation about Monday Night Football SHOULD be about one team not playing well enough to beat THE OTHER TEAM. If Tate had clearly caught the ball clean, we’d be talking about the Packers not playing well enough on offense to win, and if the refs had gotten the call right as it was, we’d be talking about the Seahawks squandering a great effort on defense by not producing anything on offense. The fact that the conversation now centers around the bad call is a problem in and of itself, and it means that the debate over the Packers’ level of play is pretty much irrelevant.

    I don’t begrudge people for pointing out that the Packers could have won anyway if they’d played better – the point is, if you’re making that argument, you need to be cognizant of the fact that we shouldn’t be in the kind of situation that you feel compelled to make it.

  119. bluebongzilla says: Sep 25, 2012 10:31 AM

    Sorry jgava19, the ref that signaled play over was at least 10-15 yards away near the goal posts when the ball was caught. He sprinted over, looked to the other ref and waited for that ref’s signal. He was nowhere near the play and never signaled touchback. A signal for touchback is one arm swung up and down at the side, not hands crossed above the head.

  120. detroitnorth says: Sep 25, 2012 10:36 AM

    For Lions fans just another example of calls that can effect the outcome of games. At least in the Lions cases it affected the rules. Now we have The “process” for a catch. aka “The Calvin Rule” and a turnover now must be reviewed as per the Lions 49ers game last year. Nice to hear the Pack wine for a change.

  121. tsi431 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:40 AM

    The signal for touchback is stopping the clock then calling touchback watch a game for once.

  122. bluebongzilla says: Sep 25, 2012 10:41 AM

    jgava19, you also do not have possession of the ball until you have both feet on the ground.

  123. tsi431 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:41 AM

    It is impossible to have simultaneous possession when the ball is against the opponents chest.

  124. daysend564 says: Sep 25, 2012 10:52 AM

    Guess you shouldn’t have been part of a line that gave up almost 10 sacks. You have 0 integrity to whine about the way you lost.

  125. jdubkc says: Sep 25, 2012 10:57 AM

    I watched the game and I too felt robbed of my time, not so much the “who came up with the ball” controversy but that unbelievable pass interference… I mean WOW!!! BTW not a packers fan…

  126. Nevis says: Sep 25, 2012 11:01 AM

    I don’t even like Green Bay and I’m with Lang 100%. If I’m the Packers, I consider a mutiny. All players should until the owners and league get it.

  127. jdubkc says: Sep 25, 2012 11:08 AM

    Please people do not say “pay the refs”… that’s not it, it’s a pension thing. If the damn regular refs would get off their high horse and accept a pay raise with no pension this would all go away! It’s a 401k world now… The NFL as a whole did away with pensions and PART-TIME refs union are crying more than anyone, obviously. I have to mention the irony here being in Wisconsin and all, erm… collective bargaining ring a bell? The regular refs are the people to blame here, not Goodell, not the replacements. Although I do support a hefty life insurance plan for the replacement refs, i bet they will be looking over their shoulders for a long long time.

  128. kate773 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:16 AM

    These people saying “Get over it” are so full of it. Like you wouldn’t be complaining had it happened to your team.

    And I’m not a Packer or Seattle fan.

  129. seahawkfan4evr says: Sep 25, 2012 11:19 AM

    Green bay fans are being morons tell you what I’m gonna start protesting for Super Bowl 40 and for the Denver sandiego game and for the Tennesee Detroit game and ect…. It’s ridiculous how about you guys lay down a block. The game was terribly officiated for both sides I was screaming about a pass interference call that gave the pack a first down when you had no right to it which fame you the go ahead score it was ridiculous or all the holds try called on our o line and all he ones they missed on yours game could have gone either way do whatever. All I can say is I’m happy to wake up this morning being on the positive side of a controversy for the first time in northwest sports

  130. docsweeney says: Sep 25, 2012 11:23 AM

    Did the Packers get jobbed? Sure looks like it. However, a lot of people are getting criticized for saying the Packers could have scored more than 12 points. I thought this was a SB caliber team. Didn’t they win 15 games last year and establish one of the highest point totals in NFL history? Wasn’t Rogers speculating he could throw for 5,000+ yards this season? How many 1st Q points have thet scored in three games? (A: Zero).

    You have a lot bigger problems than if you did/didn’t intercept a ball in the end zone.

  131. bubs9 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:49 AM

    GB should have won the game and the call was an absolute joke. I am with Lang on that. However, to call out Seattle for taking the win is arrogant and after watching the O-line for the Pack, they don’t have any room to be arrogant. I know that there were replacement refs, but how many Packers O-linemen were replacements? TJ?

  132. rickrock6661982 says: Sep 25, 2012 11:54 AM

    Not only did T.J. Lang embarrass himself on the field but off the field as well!

    Can’t throw stones at the refs when you didn’t do your job either, Mr. Self Proclaimed Best Packer Guard.

  133. axespray says: Sep 25, 2012 12:09 PM

    smorkingapple says:
    “Any Packer fan that thinks they deserved to win that game after scoring 12 points when you’re supposed to be “elite” “has zero integrity as a man and should be embarrassed.”

    ——————
    we scored 9 points when we beat the jets in our superbowl season… Cowboys only scored 7 on seattle’s d… not every game is a shootout – sometimes you’ve gotta win a slugfest… we played good enough to win a slugfest – our Defense forced 3 & outs – then the refs decided to take away 2 interceptions, miss two obvious Offensive PI calls on Tate & Sidney Rice…

  134. axespray says: Sep 25, 2012 12:12 PM

    Anyone trying to rip on the Packers after they got jobbed by the refs …. should just stop claiming to be a football fan…

    If a team gets jobbed – not one sports fan with integrity would be ripping on the team that was robbed.

  135. thankheavenfornumberseven says: Sep 25, 2012 12:20 PM

    At least the Packers are taking the high road on this one.

  136. contrasuxbalz says: Sep 25, 2012 12:22 PM

    smorkingapple says: Sep 25, 2012 8:21 AM

    Any chance we can cut the entire offensive line for allowing 8 sacks in the 1st half on 4 man rushes and use their salary?

    Any Packer fan that thinks they deserved to win that game after scoring 12 points when you’re supposed to be “elite” “has zero integrity as a man and should be embarrassed.”
    ___________
    The Packers played down to the Seahawks level the entire game. They did begin to beat them at their own game in the second half. Did they deserve to lose? Maybe. However losing on that type of call is nauseating. Clearly NOT simultaneous possesion. Tate had one hand on the ball at times. If I won like that I would admit we probably did not deserve it. Why not admit it? It won’t change the outcome.

  137. eyeh8goodell says: Sep 25, 2012 1:11 PM

    This is karma after years of Seahawks fans pissing and moaning about XL. And this is getting far more attention than any minor gaffes from that game ever got that Seattle lost in every category anyway.

  138. gipper66 says: Sep 25, 2012 9:03 PM

    Anyone who is TICKED OFF that NFL still has the replacement officials in the game, and want the lock-out ended of the regular officials, better be glad that the team that was “victimized” last night was the darlings of the NFL … the Green Bay Packers !!, and not the Ravens or the Raiders !!! Had the controversy involved either of those two teams, no one would be upset today, (outside of their two respective fan bases). THE NFL’s ruling today, just goes to show that they are trying their damn-est to convince the general public that it doesn’t matter. Well, sooner or later they may very well find out that the integrity of their game is suffering from a PR standpoint. The NFL has to get this thing settled soon, or they will start to see some decline in the ratings. As for the REAL REFS, never thought I’d see the day that NFL FANS were ready to give those men a COMPLETE STANDING OVATION !!! But they are !!

  139. bosspower says: Sep 26, 2012 4:55 PM

    I really dnt like the phrase “the Packers were not suppose to let it get to that point.” I mean the Packers scored 12 but the other team only scored 7 so the Packers were where they needed to be b4 the Hail Mary, Now let this be a lesson Jennings ((the rookie)) it was 4th down……..U didn’t need to catch the ball to win the game, U should have swatted that ball out of bounds, it was 4th Down. I kno u caught the ball and wanted to be the hero with a gamesaving INT but with these Refs poor eye sight U needed to just get rid of the ball. Jennings U left it up to chance, when U could have swatted it behind U.

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