Ref who ruled Golden Tate touchdown still thinks it was the right call

AP

Lance Easley, the replacement side judge who ruled that Seahawks receiver Golden Tate and Packers defensive back M.D. Jennings simultaneously possessed the final pass of the game on Monday night — handing Seattle an undeserved win — stands by his call.

“It was the correct call,” Easley told TMZ. “I didn’t do anything wrong.”

Unfortunately, in defending the call, Easley seemed to indicate that he still doesn’t understand the NFL’s rules on simultaneous possession.

“You have to not only have the ball but have either two feet or a body part on the ground, and that never happened,” Easley said.

But that’s not what the rules of the NFL say. The rules say, “It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control.” So Jennings didn’t need to have possession with either two feet or a body part on the ground. He just needed to have control of the ball first and then possession.

Easley also said he isn’t pleased that he has become the focal point of all the complaints about the officiating in the NFL.

“I don’t appreciate the negative stuff,” he said.

In that respect, I’m sympathetic to Easley’s point of view. For starters, it should be noted that Easley isn’t the only one who deserves blame. He was one of two officials right on top of the play, and the other official didn’t signal either that it was an interception or that it was a touchdown. Just because the other official was too timid to call anything doesn’t mean Easley deserves all the blame for making the call. And, of course, the referee chose not to reverse the touchdown call on replay. The NFL has backed the ref’s decision, but few outside Seattle and the league office agree with that.

More importantly, the reality is that the replacement officials were thrown into a difficult job with inadequate training. If you’ve got a problem with that (and I do), you should have a problem with the people who put the officials in that position (and I do).

Overall, Easley defends the work that he and his fellow replacements did.

“We did a damn good job . . . for the most part,” Easley said.

Maybe. But good for the most part is not good enough.

180 responses to “Ref who ruled Golden Tate touchdown still thinks it was the right call

  1. ““We did a damn good job . . . for the most part,” Easley said.

    Maybe. But good for the most part is not good enough.”

    ——————————————–

    Good for the most part is about all we expect out of regular refs… I never walk out of a game and say “damn, that referee’ing was top-notch today, they were really on their game.”

  2. Yeah.. when reports came out that some of the officials being used were fired from the “Lingere Football League” for being inadequate, you knew this joke would be over

  3. Lots of refereeing decisions made on the field turn out to be wrong and are overturned. Responsibility lies with whoever made the final call based on the film in the booth. But, even at that point, given it was the final play of the game, either way the decision went, the league COULD HAVE OVERTURNED THE DECISION and made things right. The degree of blame increases at each level. Ref on the spot had to make a split second decision. Guys in the booth had to make a decision in a reasonably short length of time based on the footage available. THE LEAGUE HAD ALL NIGHT AND ALL DAY and all sorts of video evidence to be able to see that the call was wrong.

  4. You know my old man used to have a saying. It doesn’t hold true 100% of the time, but close to it. He would say, “Matt, if 20 people say it’s white and only you are saying its black, it’s probably white.”

  5. I’ll give him this: At least he had the courage to make a snap call and give it.

    Since instant replay was brought back, the regular officials have gotten worse and worse about just standing and looking at each other, afraid to make a call, because what they really want is for instant replay to bail them out.

  6. Poor guy. I seriously hope he hasn’t been losing sleep over this because what’s done is done. It was a tough call to make in the situation, given he was in position to also call the OPI on Tate, and also given it was the last play of the game.

    I bet you the regular officials making that call would have made the same call.

  7. First off, no, you’re still wrong. It doesn’t matter how many times you say you were right.

    And second, well done on heading down to Fresno, CA after the game and celebrating your failures like a champ.

    Back to your cushy job at Bank of America for you.

    Btw, I hate Bank of America.

  8. hahahahaha. C’mon man. Now you just sound like a knucklehead. Reminds me of the guy who gets caught red handed, then says “wasn’t me”. Safe to say we won’t see this guy on an NFL field again.

  9. It was the right call then, and it is STILL the right call now.
    Don’t give in to those that STILL don’t understand the rules, and have the inability to accept defeat.

    You did nothing wrong. However, all those idiots that made threats to you and Tate have serious mental issues.
    Tate had control just as the Packer did.

  10. I get it. Millions of NFL fans were wrong and he was right.

    Then again, how can you say that the other official didn’t signal that it was an interception or touchdown when he clearly signalled a touchback at the same time that Easely was signalling touchdown?

    Easely will go down in professional sports infamy with the umpire who ruled a runner safe at first and ruined the perfect game of a Detroit pitcher.

  11. No way he really believes that. This guy, the NFL front office, and the Seahawks and their fans make for a fascinating psychological study in the power of rationalization.

  12. As a Packers fan and a football fan, I’ll be glad when Sunday gets here so we can finally put this behind us. There are thirteen more games to play to make up for this mess. I don’t think the NFL should have overturned the result of the game because setting that precedent would open the flood gates. Monday nights game will be a bad memory only if the Packers let it by allowing it to ruin the season. I personally can’t wait to see this segment when they film Americas’ Game after winning the Super Bowl this year…

  13. omg, shut up already! even Lang has seemed to move on from this. where is Tim Tebow and the Jets when you need them?

  14. Facepalm. Several days later and he STILL doesn’t have it right. It’s not about possession or feet on the freaking ground. Everyone was reading the wrong freaking rule.

  15. Easley proves beyond all and any doubt that he is the poster boy for “Stupid is as Stupid does.” This total Ignoramous either cannot comprehend the rules as written AND explained to him or he simply refuses to accept responsibility for getting it wrong and keeps hiding behind his own made up non-NFL rule he insists applies to an NFL game. Sort of the Illegals insisting they are not breaking US laws to sneak into the USA and then claiming they have a god-given right to ignore and break out laws.

  16. Okay……..so Easley; Pete Carroll, Golden Tate and the Seattle fanbase are the only ones who think it was the right call.

    IT WASN’T !!

    Someone take the high road and at least admit that Seattle got away with one and should’ve lost the game.

  17. Lolz.

    Seahawks 14*, Packers 12.

    End of the regular season, total number of wins

    Packers 13, Seahawks 9*

  18. while i sympathize to a degree, a few things must be said:

    first, what made him think he could make the jump from junior college to the nfl?

    second, if he still thinks he made the right call, he clearly doesn’t understand the nfl rulebook.

    third, if you don’t appreciate the negative stuff, don’t scab someone else’s job, and then screw it up.

    finally, i did a damn good job driving home, for the most part…. just that accident that totaled my car ruined my damn good record…. perhaps RGZero believes that too……….

  19. and not calling Tate for shoving that defender in the back down to the ground . . . no Off PI there either . . . but you got to admire his obtuseness! I assume we’ll see him running for office soon, because this kind of denial in the face of reality and fact is a very important political skill . . .

  20. Apparently The replay official also thought it was correct because he didn’t reverse the call. the replay official has been an nfl official for 20yrs so it wasnt just a call made by the replacements. if the film showed enough evidence to reverse the call, I would think the replay official, who is an experience nfl ref would have reversed it.

  21. No Mr Easley you DID NOT!!!!!! do a damn good job.

    I am not a packers fan but that was the worst call I have ever seen In 49 years of watching football.

    If you didn’t know the rule ( and you obviously didn’t ) then you should have had a quick conversation with your felow official to get the call right!!!! Thats the bottom line after all is getting the call right! That is why the NFL should have overturned the call the next day. I’m not for the NFL doing that but in this case the call was so bad that even the average NFL fan could see you missed it.

  22. MDS wrote
    ” The NFL has backed the ref’s decision, but few outside Seattle and the league office agree with that.”

    1, Isn’t the NFL and the league office the same thing?

    2. Goodell announced they did not back the decision. He said Tate pushed the Green Bay player to the ground which was offensive pass interference which would have negated the play entirely. However, Goodell did say the play had to stand.

  23. To my eyes, Jennings, touched the ball first(not control). While in the air, Tate got his hands on the ball. He pulled the ball closer to his body and lands on his back. Jennings lands on top of Tate, both of them possessing the ball.

    Jennings cant establish control and possession in the air. When they land, the ball is in Tates chest. Jenning rolls it away from Tates Body, but its still in Tates hands.

  24. “You have to not only have the ball but have either two feet or a body part on the ground, and that never happened,” Easley said.

    Um, if that never happened, then wouldn’t it have been an incomplete pass (versus an interception or touchdown)?

  25. Lance Easley, the blind duffus who made the “Call Seen ‘Round the World”, is the VP of Small Business at Bank of America’s Santa Maria, CA branch.

    His only experience was refereeing ‘small time’ basketball and football games – mostly for high school students and junior college players.

    Send this dimwit your appreciation.

  26. You’re wrong about the other official not making a call. He made the signal that the play was dead, which is usually done immediately before signaling change of possession.

    Watch this Sunday (or even tonight) when there is a turn over. The ref will first wave his arms and then signal possession, which is exactly what the replacement ref was about to do until he saw the other ref signal touchdown.

    As far as Easly not appreciating the negative stuff, he can relax. No one will ever pay any attention to anything he does for the rest of his life.

  27. Too bad he couldn’t just come out and say he blew it because we will never hear from him again. None of the replacements will ever be a D-1 or NFl ref in their careers.

  28. “We did a damn good job . . . for the most part,” Easley said.

    I disagree with the word “most.” Int he Pats/Ravens game there were 24 penalties called and 13 first downs as a result of penalties (many of them phantom calls). It was a disaster and effected the outcome of the game by allowing failed drives to continue and result in scores. So, no, it was not a damn good job for the most part and yes, the NFL should be ashamed for putting them out there without more training and preperation.

  29. I know I’m in the minority, but I agree with the ref here. When Jennings first touches the ball, he was in mid air. He does NOT possess the ball until he “completes” the catch (or at least that’s what we’ve been told by the league–see Calvin Johnson) because there is contact. Also, when Jennings first contacts the ball, Tate had his left hand in there. On the way to the ground and before anyone is “down” (ie before the catch is “completed”), Tate gets his right hand on the ball too. When the 2 players hit the ground (I think Tate was down first), they both had both hands on the ball. It doesn’t matter if Jennings looks like he had “more” of a possession. Tate had BOTH hands on the ball when the catch was completed. If both players had both hands on the ball when they are marked down, then that’s simultaneous possession, and that goes to the offensive player.

    Forget the fact that Tate should have been called for o.p.i. To me, that’s where the refs messed up. It would have made who caught the ball irrelevant.

  30. “He was one of two officials right on top of the play, and the other official didn’t signal either that it was an interception or that it was a touchdown.”

    The other official looked at Easley before signaling the play off.

  31. Meaning, stating that Jennings had possession first was clearly not a part of the ruling on the field and review, and stating that as fact now == strawman.

    (again, whether it is true or not is a different matter).

    But I see what you did there..

  32. Let the guy get on with his life already. Its a football game and he did what he thought was right. It was the NFL that put these people in this position without sufficient training. They gave everything they had…It would be like asking me to play QB for the Pats this weekend…afterall, I played there at recess in the 6th grade…ONCE.

  33. Why wouldn’t the standard NFL rules of posession apply? They clearly state posession can’t occurred until something touches the ground. Why would simultaneous posession be different? Let’s face facts it was a tough call. Let’s make no mistake about it, the media is making it look way more questionable than it is because they’re so eager to get headlines with the ref isssues at a head.

  34. Will be interesting to see when the refs make a bad call if the game callers in the booth go carazy as they have with the replacements. We will hear a lot of ” Good no call”

  35. Find the footage that shows the angle from the opposite endzone (its all over the Seattle area) and you will clearly see Tate had his hands on the ball BEFORE Jennings. Yes, one hand came off during the tumble to the ground, but that doesn’t mean Tate didn’t FIRST control the ball before Jennings.

    Tate established control first, and despite a great effort by Jennings, he never lost control of the ball and at the first point possession could be ruled there was no other way to rule it than a simultaneous possession which goes the way of the Offense.

    Quit whining. The refs made several bad calls all night long, but to insist they made a mistake on the Simultaneous Possession rule is foolish. As the NFL already stated, missing the push off is the real blown call here (even though its not often called). Otherwise we’re just looking at a really tough call that was technically called correct (just like the Calvin Johnson controversy).

  36. Oh well, now he has proven himself to be an idiot twice. It’s over, on to the Saints.

    Contra, why am I not surprised to see you here?

    Gotta say I’m glad your Vikes won on Sunday because the officials stunk that one up too. I would have hated for two games to turn out wrong because of the replacements.

    Thank goodenss that’s over with.

  37. He made the wrong call without saying it. What he thought the rule was and what the rule is is to totally different. If u don’t know the NFL rules you shouldn’t be on the field or in the league period.

  38. He probably believes Manny Pacquiao lost his last fight too. All kidding aside they did the best job they could given the situation they were put in……but really it is time to go. Thanks replacements. (at least we had football).

  39. kenmasters and bcgreg sound like good candidates to be replacement officials to me. I’m sure the same thing has been explained to you two geniuses and to him, as the rule states there is no simultaneous possession if the defender controls the ball first, whether he has one foot, two feet, or none on the ground matters not. This is an open and shut case to and person with an ounce of objectivity who has seen the footage. The fact that there are still people with enough of a functioning brain to type words coherently that still don’t get this absolutely amazes me.

  40. Bcgreg you seem to have a serious reading comprehension problem. It’s not about possession. It’s about control. You can control the ball while in mid air. Quit talking about completing the catch. YOU’RE READING THE WRONG RULE.

  41. “It was the correct call,” Easley told TMZ. “I didn’t do anything wrong.”

    Except it was the incorrect call, so you did do something wrong. I understand these refs can’t keep up with the speed of the game, but please just admit you made the wrong call. So glad the regular referees are back in place.

  42. NFL replay official Luckett (who is a very experienced ref) confirmed the call at the time. This very same ref is still employed by the NFL and will continue to employeed by the NFL. The replacement ref was not the final word on the field at the time on that call.

    While admitting that the ref should’ve called a PI on the play the NFL confirmed that the ref made the correct call in the end zone.

    This is the same as the Calvin Johnson rule. I still believe Calvin had a TD on that play but the regular refs keep telling me that it was incomplete.

  43. Kylexitron…. Dude. Go read the Simultaneous Catch rule like the rest of the people that know what they’re talking about. It’s only been posted a million times. It’s not about possession. It’s about control.

  44. Kattykathy you need to get your eyes checked out, tate was holding jennings not the ball, how can you have the ball when your on your back reaching around jennings just to touch the ball

  45. You people keep saying ALL Seattle fans think it was the right call. SHUT UP ALREADY, Im a Seahawks fan and they blew that call (out of many). Its over and no one but the NFL can change the outcome, quit crying over it and move on….

  46. Given the understandable lack of competence of the replacements to perform this incredibly highly skilled job, it seemed that the whole season was devolving slowing down, game by game, to potential chaos.

    What if this incredibly wrongheaded call came when a playoff birth was on the line and it went against the HOME team (unlike the Seattle game), knocking them out of the playoffs, and the stadium was filled with rabid juiced up fans? I could certainly foresee a riot. Or worse. Players, feeling cheated, might do something wrong, too. And what if the NFL refused to acknowledge the error, as we have here now? It could really get ugly.

    The regular refs will also make mistakes and fans will complain and players and coaches will grumble. But the difference is that everyone knows that the regulars are the best there is, while the fans, the players, and the coaches had no respect for the replacements, though it was not their fault.

    At least now we have way more confidence in the final score. For that I am thankful.

  47. I don’t understand some of the mean troll comments on here. The man might of made a mistake, but at least he isn’t caving to the mob mentality and is sticking to what he called.

    He sounds contrite, and I wish him the best. And yea, he wasn’t qualified to do this job, but all of these insults towards someone you don’t know are really unnecessary!

  48. If the team looses on its own then that is acceptable but when the refs steal a win the that is infuriating. That is why even as a Vikings fan I still think the Packers got the shaft and I don’t feel that the result is acceptable. As a Vikings fan we all know how many times the Vikings have had games stolen from them. Especially the 09 NFC Championship. Still makes me shake my head in disgust.

  49. It appears to the naked eye that Jennings has “more” control or “more” possession than Tate does, but there is no such thing in the rules as degrees of control/possession. It doesn’t matter if one guy has 2 hands on the ball and the other only has 1. Simply, they both had control and both had possession on the ground, therefore it’s a simultaneous catch. Touchdown Seattle.

  50. Dear Mr Weasley:

    Could you please give me an explanation on the Sam Shields defensive pass interfence call just minutes earlier? I would love to hear you defend that call? You, my friend, cost that team the game. And probably at the very least a home playoff game. To the cl0wns who are saying the Packers didn’t play well enough to win that game anyways I ask one question, without that BS call did they have more points than the Seahawks when the clock showed 00? Your horrendous calls have changed the entire playoff picture for the NFC. Enjoy!

  51. The Packers weren’t complaining about the refs when they called a offensive pass interference call on Kellen Winslow that ultimately decided the season in 2011 for both teams.

    If you remember the refs apologized for the f-up call and without that horrible call the Packers don’t make the playoffs or win the super bowl.

    Yours truly,

    Payback Call

  52. Well I might as well beat this dead horse one last time as well. I’m not a fan of either team, the problem I had was not with what the ruling wound up being, but with the manner the ruling was reached. Had it been a regular crew, we would have viewed the white cap running down the field to confer with his two guys before throwing up a signal. Instead what we saw was the absolute chaos and disorganization that all of these replacement crews conveyed. No one is perfect, and we all know the reuglar refs make plenty of questionable or downright bad calls. But at least they don’t look at eachother for a split second and then proceed to throw up conflicting signals after zero discussion.

  53. Seahawks outplayed the packers. 9 sacks ring a bell? One call doesn’t make the game outcome wrong. PI call on seahawks was completely wrong and set GB up for touchdown, without which the last play wouldn’t have mattered. You call PI on Tate you gotta call it on the 3 GB defenders that MUGGED Charly Martin. OPI hasn’t been called on a hail mary in 5 years. Just a few reasons Seahawks should not apologize for anything or give up the win. They earned it and DO NOT deserve the abuse they and Golden Tate are taking. Neither does that ref.

  54. “No way he really believes that. This guy, the NFL front office, and the Seahawks and their fans make for a fascinating psychological study in the power of rationalization.”

    ———————

    First I am a Hawks fan, live in Washington and I have heard a lot about this. I wanted to win, same as everyone in that stadium that night wanted the Hawks to win, because we wanted recognition. However no one at the Clink or watching on the tv here wanted to win and get recognition that way.

    I love how people blame the fans like we have the ability to change the call. And face it, if those lame refs didn’t call Kam Chancellor for DPI on a third and out this would be a very different conversation. But all this what ifs don’t change the fact that it happened. But the fans did nothing so please don’t lump us into this assumption that we agree.

    We just can’t change it, so we accept it.

  55. Let’s grant that by the book, the call was wrong. I’m giving you that one.

    However, now let’s get to the part all you armchair referees should be ashamed of: the treatment of the replacement official over his call.

    Yes – with the benefit of slo-mo replay, we can see he was wrong. However, at full speed, is there anyone here that can honestly say a “simultaneous possession call” based on what was seen during the catch and after was a bad call? It was absolutely a reasonable call on the field at full speed – just as a call the other way would have been equally reasonable – at full speed, this play was just that close, plain and simple.

    Where this was blown – and the officials that should be taking the heat for blowing the call – are the replay officials – and THEY are NOT replacements.

    So to sum up:

    Call on the field by replacement official: reasonable

    Review in the booth by regular offical: blown

    If we’re going to crucify an official over this, can it at least be the right one?

  56. Easley is obviously a fool who should never officiate another football game at any level. The NCAA rules also state that the play was NOT sinultaneous posession. The defender had control of the ball when he came down in the end zone (or field of play). Easley could not work a high school game if he thinks he’s correct. He was wrong – dead wrong.

  57. This guy would command much more respect if he came out and said he blew it. But, the fact that it was upheld is even more mindblowing. So, whomever upheld the call is worse than this guy. Easley didnt have the benefit of instant replay. How anyone with the benefit of instant replay can STILL call this a TD is beyond mind-blowing!

  58. good for him for standing behind his call, be it an unpopular stance at least he isn’t backing down from it. it was a judgement call, his judgement is just different than most.

    i don’t remember this much fuss when the “real” refs some how screwed up and gave the redskins and extra down inside the 10 yard line, 5 downs instead of the “usual” 4, to score and beat the bucs at the end of a game. the league came out and said “yep, they screwed up, sorry”. where was all the “omg the sky is falling” news stories back then?

    it was a call, a bad call, it happens, move on. if green bay misses the playoff by one game, 2 points then they don’t deserve to be in there. yes the call went against them but they had 59 minutes and 50 seconds to score 3 more points and couldn’t, time for the packers to pull up their big boy pants and move on

  59. “even Lang has seemed to move on from this.”

    If there is one person who shouldn’t be saying anything about someone doing a bad job its Lang and the assclowns on the GB oline. 8 sacks in a half? PATHETIC. Maybe you should learn to block instead of crying on twitter all day.

  60. The Packers needed bad calls to score their only Touchdown. Without a bogus pass interference among other calls the Packers would have never seen the Endzone. The right team won

  61. kylexitron says:
    Sep 27, 2012 3:03 PM
    Why wouldn’t the standard NFL rules of posession apply? They clearly state posession can’t occurred until something touches the ground. Why would simultaneous posession be different? Let’s face facts it was a tough call. Let’s make no mistake about it, the media is making it look way more questionable than it is because they’re so eager to get headlines with the ref isssues at a head.

    Simultaneous possession is concerned with who gets control first. Control does NOT equal possession.

    The reason it’s different is because of the following scenario. Let’s say a DB jumps and catches the ball eight feet above the ground. He then falls upon the receiver who had already fallen and was lying on the ground. As soon as the DB falls on the receiver the receiver snatches at the ball with two hands.

    The DB isn’t down yet because he’s laying on the receiver. By your thinking the receiver gets simultaneous possession despite doing nothing except latch onto a ball that is already controlled by the DB. It would be stupid.

  62. If Mr. Easley doesn’t like the heat, get out of the kitchen. Officials in all sports are criticized and scrutinized during and after every game. It’s not an easy job, and not everyone can do it.

    And since he is too stubborn, obstinate or incompetent to see/admit his error, I highly doubt Mr. Easley will ever come near the NFL kitchen again.

  63. kattykathy says:
    Sep 27, 2012 2:43 PM
    It was the right call then, and it is STILL the right call now.
    Don’t give in to those that STILL don’t understand the rules, and have the inability to accept defeat.

    You did nothing wrong. However, all those idiots that made threats to you and Tate have serious mental issues.
    Tate had control just as the Packer did.

     Lady, You are A. Delusional and B. Clearly don’t comprehend the rules. Simultaneous catch is when BOTH players catch and control the ball at the same time… That did NOT happen in this instance( although I have seen it before) as Jennings caught it with BOTH hands and Tate was only able to get one.Control goes to Jennings catch goes to Jennings no uproar. If in fact it WAS the correct call, why is the whole country up in arms about it? I live in the Seattle area and was pulling for the Hawks even MOST of the Seahawks fans I know are embarrassed. I am a Redskin fan for life, if this was a game my team was involved in I would fly to NY to talk to Rog(called him as it is) to voice my opinion. This IS NOT OVER EITHER. What happens when the Seahawks and Packers both finish at 10-6 hypothetically? The Seahawks get the tie breaker and get a wild card, the Packers go home. Talk to Mr Easley then. Anyway KattyKathy go back to Your craft booking hobby you were good at that. The Claim

  64. This man is incompetent, he should go back to pop warner football. If he honestly thinks they did a damn good job by blowing a huge call then he’s delusional.

  65. Can we just move on from this? All the freaking whining is worse than the actual officiating was.

    Bad calls happen. Ask the Seattle Super Bowl team a few years ago.

    The regular refs sucked. Why is it a headline that these guys sucked a little worse?

  66. Someone should ask him if he won his fantasy game as a result of the touchdown. That should clear up this issue.

  67. It was the right call then and the right call now? WTH?

    Dude, the three frickin blind mice seen that it was an interception!

    Why is it so hard for some folks to just say “yeap, made a mistake”? I could respect him for owning it, not for pretending we’re all idiots and can’t read the rules and accurately interpret the rules of the NFL.

    Maybe he’s just waiting for the Government to bail him out?

  68. —Enmity01——————

    First I am a Hawks fan, live in Washington and I have heard a lot about this. I wanted to win, same as everyone in that stadium that night wanted the Hawks to win, because we wanted recognition. However no one at the Clink or watching on the tv here wanted to win and get recognition that way.

    I love how people blame the fans like we have the ability to change the call. And face it, if those lame refs didn’t call Kam Chancellor for DPI on a third and out this would be a very different conversation. But all this what ifs don’t change the fact that it happened. But the fans did nothing so please don’t lump us into this assumption that we agree.

    We just can’t change it, so we accept it.
    Your coach and receiver should be as reasonable but they weren’t.. They both acted like kindergarten kids. “didn’t see it” Carroll. and “don’t know what your talking about”Tate. Classy..Well handled like Men

  69. So… he and Pete Carroll make two people who think that way. That’s about it….

    I don’t really think for even 1 minute that Roger Goodell agrees with him, no matter what the commish says.

    Goodell had to support the refs, had to not make them look too desperate in the negotiations, and needed to avoid bringing up the whole can of worms about reversing the outcome of the game, which would have otherwise been a reasonable request since no on-field action occurred after the botched call & review. That would be a bad precedent though, as people would wonder when another game would be decided off the field.

  70. You sad sack of cow stuff. You screwed the pooch buddy, and you’re not happy being the focal point of peoples’ frustration? Ass clown just wait for January. Hope and pray GB hosts a playoff game. If GB has 2 go on the road, say Seattle, I hope you pull a Greg Williams and get out of the country. You will be the butt of every joke, and where ever you go, people will know it was YOU that didn’t know the rules and cost GB the game. BTW, HOW DID YOU MISS GOLDEN TAINT SHOVE SAM SHEILDS? Way to help Seattle beat the 3.5pt spread…you on the take?

  71. I saw a poll that showed 10.5% of respondents thought it was the right call. Who knew the Seahawks were really America’s Team all along? Seriously though, I’m so glad the official officials are back. Yes, they make bad calls too, but at not even close to the rate of the scabs. And they at least KNOW THE RULES. No more bizarre clock snafus that even most of the fans immediately recognize. Now everybody can get back to hating on RG3. In Bob we trust!

  72. Can anyone take responsibility for anything anymore?

    The refs are not to blame because they were put in a bad position, the owners are not to blame because Goodell represents them, Goodell is not to blame because he represents the owners, etc.

    Is it so bad for the NFL to just admit they screwed up? If these pompous asses would admit they’re wrong just once, perhaps the fans would forgive and forget.

  73. The officials have never awarded a change of possession while the DB has two feet in the air. You have to come down with two feet in bounds and make a football move. A DB, who gets his hands on the ball in the open field, may lose control when he makes contact with the ground. This never results in a change of possession. Hence, Jennings had to come down and have exclusive control at some point. This he did not. If he doesn’t have exclusive control then it is simultaneous possession because the rules do not provide for anything less than 100% control for an interception.

  74. And I thought he didn’t reverse the call because he was too afraid what might happen to him with that raucous crowd in Seattle that night. But he really thinks he made the right call. Just wow.

  75. Well one good thing came of this…I finally understand why Green Bay fans are so whiny. They’re just imitating their players! Isn’t that adorable??

  76. One part is right – it can’t be a catch until your feet, or torso, etc touch the ground. Just having it in the air is not a catch… At least give him that much…

  77. …let’s start with the basics here.

    Cudos to this guy for having the balls to stand up for himself.

    Rasberries to this guy for not having the balls to call pass interference when it occurred three feet in front of his face in the first place.

    He’d be solid and still working if he had.

  78. Jennings cant establish control and possession in the air. When they land, the ball is in Tates chest. Jenning rolls it away from Tates Body, but its still in Tates hands.
    ————————————————
    HaHaHaHaha…
    Now you know how polling works in America.

    Rick is ten feet away from Jerry when he trips on the sidewalk and falls. Jerry is physically too far away to be responsible for Ricks fall. The news catches it on camera and plays it in slow motion, obviously showing that Rick tripped on the sidewalk and Jerry couldn’t have caused it. 100 viewers watch it and remarkably 2 or 3 of them will insist that Jerry tripped him. Some folks are just crazy.

  79. Wasn’t Ed Hercules SEVERELY criticized for making the call that Jay Cutler was in the process of forward motion of a pass against SD? Went to review and was not overturned because HE had blown the play dead?

    Lol didn’t that cost SD the game??????? And PARDON ME if the opponent wasn’t SD… you all know what I’m referring to!!!

    Lol my point is… even regular refs make bad calls. It’s just the poor delusional fans now making that an EXCUSE as to why their team is losing games and/or not looking as good as you think they should be.

    Stop calling for this poor bastard’s head… he made a bad call. In real time, there was absolutely way to tell who had ended up with the ball initially. Nobody on earth is talking about the PI call against Seattle that lead to Green Bay’s go-ahead TD in the 4th quarter.

  80. Wait wait wait. A guy can Intercept the ball without touching the ground; but a wide receiver must catch the ball and get two feet in bounds while also “completing the catch”? The NFL rules are what is completely screwed up, not the call from Monday. Just stupid.

  81. Not a fan of either team.

    Lost in all this is how dominant Seattles defense was. All GB needed to do was get ONE first down on their final possesion to win the game. They only scored a total of 12 points. Don’t deserve the game any more than Seattle did. GB’s defense looked good too, but it was against a somewhat pathetic Seattle offense. Seattles defense OUTPLAYED the vaunted GB offense throughout the game.

    Great teams (which GB is, or at least was) overcome adversity.

  82. I’m not a Seahawk’s fan, but i agree, he got the call right. The problem is with the rules. It’s not a ‘catch’ until you fulfill the elements of a catch which require your feet are on the ground, and when Jennings feet are on the ground, Tates also got possession of the ball. And Tate touches the ground first.

    The simultaneous rule DOES state that a player who has control FIRST has possession. The problem is that Tate has his left hand on the ball first. And I maintain that many a player has ‘controlled’ and made a catch with one hand, so Tate could be considered to have ‘control’ with his one hand.

    As for Jennings having control first, he only has one hand at first on the ball, not two as some have stated. As he attempts to pull the ball in to his chest, the football is moving, and as we all know a receiver or defender does not have ‘control’ when the ball is moving.

    By the time the ball stops moving, it’s on Jennings chest(actually on Tates left hand) and tates right hand is on top.

    No matter how much you review the play in slow motion, you cannot ascertain as to who has control first.

    Therefore, the only time you can see control, is when both players are on the ground both clutching it.

    The rules are conflicting, you can’t have a catch until your feet are on the ground, and you can’t have control, if the balls moving.

    There is nothing definitive to say either player had control of the ball in the air, as the ball is moving up until the point both players have all 4 hands on it.

    Some might say 2 hands is more control than 1, but if that’s the case then how can a receiver like randy moss make a 1 handed TD catch? Are you saying he can’t control it unless he has 2 hands?? doesn’t make sense.

    Its just easier to blame the officials. It’s ironic, they blew so many calls during the first 3 weeks, but when this play is broken down, they actually got it correct.

  83. I understand he thinks he made the right call, but the right thing to do would’ve been to conference with the other officials who may have had a better angle to see the play and discuss how the rules affected such an important play. They did not follow the proper procedure which caused all the uproar. These guys did the best they could but they were clearly in over their heads.

  84. theclaim says:Your coach and receiver should be as reasonable but they weren’t.. They both acted like kindergarten kids. “didn’t see it” Carroll. and “don’t know what your talking about”Tate. Classy..Well handled like Men

    so, they should have handled it like the chicago bears coach handled megatrons touchdown two years ago? why didn’t anyone rip him for saying this:
    “I saw it exactly the way (the referee) did. Didn’t really think they had to look at the replay. The rule says you have to come down and complete the catch all the way through. The ball came out at the end, so I thought it was pretty cut-and-dry.” – Lovie Smith.

    there sure are a ton of packer homers on this site. i do seem to notice all kinds of fan affiliations commenting either in favor of the call, or at least saying it was difficult in real-time…not an open-and-shut case as florio is reporting.

  85. To the Seahawks fans who keep harping on the PI call on Cam Chancellor, yes it was a bad call. However, you can’t say that it had a huge impact on the game.

    Here’s some math. Basically that took the Seahawks from a 58% chance of winning to 41% chance of winning, assuming the Packers would have punted and got a touchback. The key here is that there is still time left for things to “play out”.

    The lesson is that bad calls are not equal. How much time is left in the game is probably most important, with down/distance and field position coming next.

    And the next drive for Seattle more than made up for it:

    Overturned INT on bogus roughing:
    Packers went from a 91% chance of winning to 72%

    Bogus PI on Shields:
    Packers went from 69% chance to 43% chance of winning

  86. the most educational aspect of this thread is the number of people who don’t bother to read (or perhaps aren’t capable of reading) any of the posts by the countless posters above who have explained in chapter and verse the difference between “control” and “possession”. i know, it takes at least a 4th grade reading level to get through…………..

    Then after failing to read and/or comprehend what has been said, these bright bulbs feel the need to illuminate us with their version of the fractured fairytales rules of football.

  87. Here’s my solution: Make it against the rules to throw to a spot and have a group of receivers in one area thus creating a “jump ball” situation where 10 players are grabbing for a ball. Really not a fair situation for anyone trying to referee that kind of a scenario.

  88. The Packers got sacrificed for what the NFL considered the greater good, and there won’t be any apologies. It’s a tough world out there. So it goes

  89. I am not a Packer fan but somehow the Seahawk fans, and coach have a ha ha you lose mentality. Don’t they know at the end of the day things tend to even out and they will suffer for this victory? Book it.

  90. one more post. i’m an eagle fan. i hate the packers as much as any non nfc east team, but football refs will award control to the man with both arms wrapped around the ball which is clutched to his chest over a man with one hand wrapped around the ball clutched to the other man’s chest every time. unless of course the ball comes out. which it didn’t. Its not even a debateable point.

    Any seattle fan who thinks there is a large segment of people outside wisconsin who say it was a completed pass, they sure don’t live in new jersey because no one ive talked to had that opinion.

    and what pray tell does it matter whether randy moss can catch a ball one handed running down the field by himself? Pretzel Logic, i suppose.

  91. We wanted this call…we have been waiting for this call for 3 weeks… and at the end of the day we needed this call. Without this call we would not have the regular refs on the field tonight. Don’t blame the inexperienced ref who made the call, blame the NFL for thinking that such an inexperienced ref would get it right. You cannot take high school, junior college, or college refs and put them on an NFL field and expect them to perform at the same level as experienced NFL refs. There is only one person to blame for this.

  92. The replay officials, regular guys employed by the NFL, blew the call as well. They could have and should have reversed it.
    It was NOT a simultaneous call, Tate grabbed the ball once fthey were on the ground

  93. Let’s ask this: Is 30% of control/possession still a catch? This is really the basis of anyone supporting that it was a TD.

    We all agree that you can make a one handed catch right? It can easily be argued that Tate has the ball pinned to Jennings, much like Tyree has the ball pinned to his helmet. The ball isn’t going anywhere. The simultaneous catch rule is perfect for this scenario. Most people won’t agree with the ruling, just like the Tuck Rule. Yet years later, most accept Tuck Rule as fact. Is it rules lawyering, yes. But it’s still a TD.

    Tate’s left arm is locked in between the ball and Jennings’s chest from the beginning. That is why Jennings can’t roll away and can’t rip the ball from Tate.

    As for supporters, ESPN did a poll yesterday out of ~1500 anonymous random people and 22% said it was a touchdown. And no, I don’t expect anyone in the media to support a TD for fearing being blackballed in the industry.

  94. wow it amazes me these refs dont even know the rules of the game. how is it that every casual fan in America can tell that was an interception, but yet these refs, who supposedly were trained for this, dont know what a catch is.

  95. If both players had been on their feet but falling out of bounds they never would have awarded an INT to Jennings. Tate had too much control and Jennings too little for a clean pick.

  96. griff21 says:
    Sep 27, 2012 3:08 PM
    Find the footage that shows the angle from the opposite endzone (its all over the Seattle area) and you will clearly see Tate had his hands on the ball BEFORE Jennings. Yes, one hand came off during the tumble to the ground, but that doesn’t mean Tate didn’t FIRST control the ball before Jennings.

    Tate established control first, and despite a great effort by Jennings, he never lost control of the ball and at the first point possession could be ruled there was no other way to rule it than a simultaneous possession which goes the way of the Offense.

    Quit whining. The refs made several bad calls all night long, but to insist they made a mistake on the Simultaneous Possession rule is foolish. As the NFL already stated, missing the push off is the real blown call here (even though its not often called). Otherwise we’re just looking at a really tough call that was technically called correct (just like the Calvin Johnson controversy).

    ———————

    The refs made two horrendous calls against the Packers, missed a big one against the Seahawks, then blew the call to end the game. Sorry bro, the footage shows Jennings pull the ball in with two hands into his chest while Tate has an arm in there. Congrats Seattle, the refs gave you a win.

  97. Say what you will about the call. I think it was wrong and I think GB was robbed. But anyone saying that the NFL should have overturned it after the fact is an idiot. This wasn’t even in the top ten of worst calls to cost a team a game.

    Coin Toss
    Vinny’s head, and not the ball, crossing the line leading to a game winning td
    the Immaculate Reception
    (these next two hurt b/c i’m a 9ers fan but…)
    the non PI call against the 9ers in the playoffs comeback vs the Giants
    the non fumble of Jerry Rice a few plays before TO and “The Catch 2”
    etc etc

    Teams get screwed out a win all of the time, sometimes in much much bigger games. The league can’t over turn them the next day b/c where does it stop. The coin toss is the worst mistake ever, but can you overturn the entire OT to start it right or do you just fix mistakes that happen on the last play of the game?

  98. Seahawk fans do not have a “haha you lose mentality”.

    Seahawk fans got no outpouring of national support after they got hometowned big time in the Super Bowl.

    Coming into this game, many pundits underestimated Seattle, calling the DBs soft and saying Cedric Benson would be a huge factor, granted they gave him a few holes in the beginning of the 2nd half.

    Now we are stuck watching “you robbed NFL royalty” about many unrelated issues to this call, the game, and the outcome including personal attacks on anyone related to the play, the coaching, or the team.

    If the Seahawks were your team today, how would you respond?

    At the end of the day we got the win, and for that we are thankful, not for “the call” but that our team played well enough to be there for the win. We have a young team that is improving every week, if you discount them now over your hurt feelings, you will see for yourself soon enough. They are good, deep, young, and on the way up.

  99. mojosmagic says: Sep 27, 2012 4:46 PM

    I am not a Packer fan but somehow the Seahawk fans, and coach have a ha ha you lose mentality. Don’t they know at the end of the day things tend to even out and they will suffer for this victory? Book it.

    I am a Seahawks fan and Seahawks fans don’t have a haha you lose mentality? You know why? Because Seahawks fans have suffered these losses with the REGULAR REFS. Reference the 98 Jets-Seahawks phantom touchdown or Super Bowl XL. So in a lot of minds this evens out…especially the Jets game that cost them the playoffs that year.

    Until next time know what you’re talking about or shut up. Book that.

  100. So sad…the zebra still thinks that touchdown was a right call. Still hasn’t realized that it was a Seahawk’s offensive series and Jennings was not an offensive player. Head ref didn’t know what to do about the Tate shove either. Easley referred to it as a ‘balk’ and wanted to award #43 green two free-throws and a penalty kick from the spot of the foul.

  101. The replay official that reviewed the play is the best in the game according to HOL writer and ESPN Anylist John Clayton. Based on the rules, he did not see enough evidence to overturn the call. Period.

    Besides, once again the only successful drive the Packers had was only because of a bogus PI call. They would not have seen an endzone with out the aide of a bad call. Taste it Packer fans

  102. uschawk says: Sep 27, 2012 5:14 PM

    I am a Seahawks fan and Seahawks fans don’t have a haha you lose mentality? You know why? Because Seahawks fans have suffered these losses with the REGULAR REFS. Reference the 98 Jets-Seahawks phantom touchdown or Super Bowl XL.

    I’m more perplexed than ever. Didn’t the Jets go to Superbowl III?

  103. I’m getting really tired of people criticizing me and the replacement refs.
    They are good guys. I’m keeping the line judges on staff as personal financial consultants because I value their decision making so much.

    If I don’t see this criticism relenting soon I’m going to have to start handing out suspensions. There’s no other way.

    love you. 😉

  104. @elvoid,
    I have been saying the same thing since Monday night and I agree with you 1oo% up until where you say the call was blown. The review process requires that there be clear and indisputable evidence (or similar wording) that shows the call was wrong. I don’t think that play could have been reversed regardless of which way the original real-time call went. I think it can be said that Jennings had more control than Tate (2 hands vs 1) but it cannot be said that Tate had no control at all–and the rules do not specify anything having complete control vs shared control of the ball with another player–until you get into “simultaneous possession”

  105. Lance, it wouldn’t hurt you to take a lesson from the whole Jim “no perfect game for you” Joyce story. Admission of a mistake, even if you thought you were right at the time, isn’t the disgrace it used to be.

    And if you want positive Mr. Easley, you won’t have to pay for a cup of coffee in Seattle for a long time.

  106. I have nothing but contempt for any man who stoops so low as to steal another man’s job. Easley is not only a scab but a selfish moron as well.

  107. All I know is that the officiating must be PERFECT the rest of the season. The call Monday was wrong and I’m appalled by it but a part of me thinks the liberal media is sacrificing the replacement officials so they can hunker down with union buddies….

  108. As far as I concerned on that play Easley made the right call…it’s not a completed catch till the player has complete control of the ball and 2 feet or a foot and knee on the ground. Jennings only had one foot down with another players hands on the ball. It was a tie….goes to the passing team..get over it.

  109. how could we trust him or what he thinks he saw when he couldn’t even see that the guy he thinks caught the pass had the most flagrant OPI anyone has seen in years?
    let him think what ever he want, as long as he goes back to the bank and stays away from the field!

  110. kattykathy needs to watch the play again… Jennings had the ball against his chest and his butt on the turf before Tate had both hands on the ball…
    America knows the call was bogus…

  111. I find it funny that some people are still making the comment that Tate “also had control of the ball.” Video and still photos clearly show his right forearm was on top of the ball during the initial catch. He did not have his left hand/arm anywhere near the ball. Now, if you can take a football, hold it away from your body and place it under your forearm and hold onto it, I will absolutely buy your argument that Tate had control of the ball.
    What? The ball fell to the floor? My point exactly.

  112. Easily the worst officials of all the scabs, …they were responsbile for the skins/rams the week before, …one of the worst, ..then they give them the monday nighter?? Easy there easily 🙂

  113. You have to not only have the ball but have either two feet or a body part on the ground, and that never happened,” Easley said.

    But that’s not what the rules of the NFL say. The rules say, “It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control.” So Jennings didn’t need to have possession with either two feet or a body part on the ground. He just needed to have control of the ball first and then possession.

    Madbears fan read the story before you post.

  114. No one can say the regular refs haven’t made mistakes, just as the players on the field have made mistakes. But what makes a professional? You make a minimum of mistakes.

    I have the NFL package and have watched many games. The level of competence by the replacements was atrocious. The game was too fast and too big for them. Every game I watched had horrible calls, phantom calls, etc. The game I watched on Monday night was the worst officiated game I have ever seen. The calls were bad for both sides. As a Packer fan, I was actually mortified at some of the calls that went against Seattle. The players on each team looked confused, like they didn’t know what was going to happen next. The last play was one of the worst calls in NFL history.

    But I don’t blame the replacement refs. I blame Goodell and the owners for penny pinching with the lowest paid people on the playing field and thinking that rank amateurs could officiate in a billion dollar business. No matter what happens with the Packers the rest of the year, this season has been tainted for me.

  115. Hey KattyKathy,

    The NFL rules governing simultaneous possession are very precise & carved in stone. Neither you or side judge Lance Easley can alter them to suit your wishes. He erred in his call(s), (don’t forget about the missed offensive pass interference, also). This is the 2nd forum on which I have witnessed your posts and all I can say is you & Mr Easley are either ignorant, delusional or in denial of the rules.

  116. The problem is the call should have never been ruled a simultaneous catch i believe steve young said for that to be the right call the two players have to be chest to chest witch never happened ball was intercepted case closed

  117. For those that feel this is the worst call they have ever seen, welcome to NFL football. It is a frustrating journey. Anyone who has watched the game for 30 years or so can easily come up with calls that trump that one. For me the worst is the time the Redskins halfback ran 75 yards up the sideline for the winning touchdown, only to be called out of bounds by a ref on the other side of the field. They didnt make the playoffs because of the loss. NFL films the following week showed he was never clser than one yard from the sideline. Oh well. Keep watching. Even now with replay they come up with bad calls.

  118. I was the right call. If you really look you can easily find footage where the simultaneous catch appears to be the case…and the ball goes to the wr in such an occurrence. In real speed its a very tough call to make..and he may well believe that it was the correct call

  119. If you look at the footage you see tate holding jennings not the ball the ball is in jennings chest every analyst has said it wasn’t the right call even chris carter who is a former wide receiver said it wasn’t the right call so i guess there all wrong and you morons are right?

  120. None of you? Generalizing all NFL enthusiasts as ignorant to the rules? I’m sure you’re not a TOTAL moron.

  121. The rule clearly states whoever has possession “in the air first”. If you think Tate had possession in mid air first, you are obviously a seahawk fan. At one point during the game, the production team put up a magnified bubble around Tate’s right arm which clearly showed he had yet to put that hand to the ball while M.D. Jenning had both hands on the ball. Nothing else matters! Jennings doesn’t have to land with the ball in his hands to show possession. That was already shown! Thems the rules boys and girls from Seattle.

  122. I see a lot of comments about the replay booth on this issue. This is how I understand replay in this instance.

    The replay official cannot rule on possession of the football under any circumstances. The replay official had no grounds to determine possession of the football, nor could he say GB had the ball and Seattle did not. It is not within his authority to make a call on possession.

    So, quit saying “the replay official said it was good”. Truth is, the replay official told the Referee that he could not make a judgement on posession because the rules state he cannot. The play stood as called because the call was made as a touchdown on the field and couldnt be reviewed. No review, no reversal. The call on the field was wrong and that is that. The replay official only looked at whether or not the pass was incomplete. It never touched the ground so the play stood as called on the field.

    Furthermore, the back judge and side judge didnt discuss the play as they had seen it prior to making the call. It appears to me that the side judge threw up his arms because he thought the back judge was signalling touchdown. It is obvious that the back judge was signalling for the play to end on a clock stoppage with a change of possession as a touchback.

    Anyway, it is what it is. Week 3 is over and week 4 is underway.

  123. the tate TD call wasn’t incorrect. if you think it was than u almost think the miles austin catch against the jets last year was. since both regular refs on that play – and the replay ref – agreed that was a TD, the replay ref on the tate TD (who as also a regular) agreed it was a TD, and the NFL explained why it was the correct call, u can safely put to rest this argument. You can also stop with the “everybody but Seattle Seahawks fans” thought it was an interception. There have been a lot of people – on this blog and elsewhere – who have been able to look at this without the bias that you do.

  124. I was at this game. That last Seahawk drive looked as fixed as one could be. The bogus Roughing call againest the Packers, followed by the bogus PI call, sandwiched in between were two more flags, and then after the PI another flag before the Hail Mary. I really think this ref took some dough for the outcome of the game. Wouldn’t these replacements be the perfect target for the gamblers to score big? No spread had the Hawks winning by 1 point. Easley took some money I say. There had to be twenty flags thrown, probably more. It seemed every other play a flag was laying on the ground. National TV, refs who were never on the tube, I’m sorry this whole game has stink all over it. It would not be so hard to slide a replacement a little cash, they were screwing up so bad, they figured no one would notice, and no one did.

  125. shlort:

    “The replay official cannot rule on possession of the football under any circumstances. ”

    Not true – thought you’d want to know.

    From an NFL statement about the play:

    “Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.”

    As I said in an earlier post – I have no problem with the ref’s call at full speed – that’s how it looked to him, and he called it as he saw it. But on replay – it could have been – and probably SHOULD have been – clearly stated to the ref that simultaneous possession had not occurred and the call therefore overturned.

    Anyway – you’re right – time to move on.

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