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Replacement ref: We were pawns in a business deal

Jerry Frump AP

With the NFL’s referee lockout over, many of the replacement officials are speaking out. Some of them are incorrectly defending their bad calls, while others are referencing crucifixion. But some are making fair points about the position that they were put in.

One from that last group is Jerry Frump, who refereed regular-season games on each of the last three Sundays and told Time that he thinks the replacements were just people doing the best they could while the owners and the regular officials fought over money.

As I said before, we were pawns,” Frump said. “This really became a business deal. I told my crew when we first got together, I said, ‘Gentlemen, you’re now working for probably one of the largest corporations in the country, maybe even the world. We need to keep that in mind because we need to conduct ourselves professionally and in a way that does not degrade or disrespect what they stand for.’ This was [the NFL’s] choice. They chose to take this position in the negotiation with the union. Whether I would have [taken the job] – if I hadn’t done it, somebody else would have. So, we did the best we could.”

Those feelings aside, Frump said he would have liked to keep working in the NFL, and he enjoyed working with his fellow officials.

“It was kind of a big disappointment,” he said of the end of the lockout. “Kind of a lump in your stomach. You knew it was going to happen someday, and you knew that it was right around the corner. It’s like I said – as a crew, we knew that it was there, but we just were so close and wanted to get one more.”

The rest of us can be glad the replacements won’t get one more.

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  1. skoobyfl says: Sep 28, 2012 3:38 PM

    Did they expect to have a job forever without the proper experience ??

  2. sariff420 says: Sep 28, 2012 3:39 PM

    Media totally overblew this out of proportion . Ridiculous

  3. jameswestphal says: Sep 28, 2012 3:39 PM

    “We were pawns….Wwwwaaaaaahhhhhhh”
    No, you were terrible.

  4. tennis22drew says: Sep 28, 2012 3:39 PM

    Well, yeah.

  5. tooz72 says: Sep 28, 2012 3:40 PM

    soooo..thats why you made so many bad calls? bitterness?

  6. conormacleod says: Sep 28, 2012 3:41 PM

    What?! Say it ain’t so!!

  7. kaprajan says: Sep 28, 2012 3:42 PM

    too bad we’ll miss the “5-year penalty on the offense”

  8. Punk says: Sep 28, 2012 3:42 PM

    Can we stop hearing about these guys now?

  9. clickablecontent says: Sep 28, 2012 3:43 PM

    I give them credit for helping make sure there was still a game for the NFLRA refs to come back to. That said, that’s all they were ever there for. Does this mean these guys will never have a shot at joining the union and the NFL?

  10. araidersfan says: Sep 28, 2012 3:45 PM

    The replacement officials only appeared worse then the regular refs because they were complete newbies (just 3 games experience vs. several years). With time they would’ve risen to the incompetence of the regulars. I’m not quick to forget or forgive the fact that the regulars having been inept for the nearly 40 years that I’ve been watching NFL games. That’s what we had (and will have) with refs who are moonlighters and not subject to constant training, performance reviews, etc.

    So now with the ‘big return’ the officiating will go from dreadful to merely bad. Huge improvement, huh? It’s sadly laughable that the media are saluting these returning clowns.

  11. yaryers says: Sep 28, 2012 3:46 PM

    Duh.

  12. eyeh8goodell says: Sep 28, 2012 3:47 PM

    Don’t feel bad. You’re not the only ones. The league only cares about it’s players with regard to how much paper they can generate, as all the phony “concern” for player safety is just a ploy to fend off lawsuits and protect certain players so they generate even more paper for the owners.

  13. mazblast says: Sep 28, 2012 3:47 PM

    Let’s not tar every replacement crew with the same brush. Was Frump’s crew one that cost anyone a game?

  14. castleofcheese says: Sep 28, 2012 3:48 PM

    The rest of us can be glad the replacements won’t get one more.
    ———
    That’s kind of a low blow. I’m a Packers fan and even I can feel for these guys. They had the opportunity of a lifetime and did as good a job as they were capable of. They were just in way over their heads. It’s understandable that they would hope for one more NFL game… for vindication, if nothing else.

  15. armchairqb says: Sep 28, 2012 3:50 PM

    In chess, even pawns know the rules. So no … you were not pawns.

  16. kwalk4780 says: Sep 28, 2012 3:50 PM

    no kidding, you were a pawn. You were being used. Your 10 minutes of fame is over.

  17. b1unt3d says: Sep 28, 2012 3:51 PM

    Well said, araidersfan.

  18. eepobee says: Sep 28, 2012 3:51 PM

    the tate TD call wasn’t incorrect. if you think it was than u almost think the miles austin catch against the jets last year was. since both regular refs on that play – and the replay ref – agreed that was a TD, the replay ref on the tate TD (who as also a regular) agreed it was a TD, and the NFL explained why it was the correct call, u can safely put to rest this argument. You can also stop with the “everybody but Seattle Seahawks fans” thought it was an interception. There have been a lot of people – on this blog and elsewhere – who have been able to look at this without the bias that you do.

  19. drgreenstreak says: Sep 28, 2012 3:52 PM

    Frump is right. Somebody was going to help the owners educate football fans about officiating an NFL game. May as well have been who it was, right?

    Notice Jerry Richardson would still be holding out if he ran the league. He represents the mentality of his geographical region.

  20. bosfaninva says: Sep 28, 2012 3:53 PM

    When Phil Luckett steps onto the field, most fans will applaud the NFL for giving one of the replacement refs a permanent job.

  21. mviglianco says: Sep 28, 2012 3:53 PM

    Did they expect to have a job forever without the proper experience ??

    Um, no. That’s why he said. “You knew it was going to happen someday, and you knew that it was right around the corner”

    Enough bashing these guys, they did their best. It’s over now, you can move on people.

  22. daysend564 says: Sep 28, 2012 3:54 PM

    Consider it your 2013 audition when the NFL gets to expand the teams.

  23. johnnyb216 says: Sep 28, 2012 3:55 PM

    Yeah, so what? I’m sure they made more money in one game than they did over their entire careers reffing high school games. What’d he think was going to happen?

  24. crazycane says: Sep 28, 2012 3:56 PM

    Some of them went from nothing to somewhere near $150-200K. I’ll be a pawn for what they probably got paid.

  25. randallflagg52 says: Sep 28, 2012 3:56 PM

    Well for “pawns” you certainly had a big impact on the season. You cost the Ravens a game against the Eagles, and you cost Green Bay a game against the Seahawks, and I’m sure there’s more. I remember in preseason when I heard some refs refer to the teams as “Team A” and “red team” that this was going to be a gigantic debacle.

  26. numberonesteelerhater says: Sep 28, 2012 3:56 PM

    Offiicating is the business of pissing people off. And business is always good. No matter how good or how bad a call is, it will piss somebody off. I am speaking from experience.

  27. rtk23 says: Sep 28, 2012 3:58 PM

    Well, with a name like Frump, I guess I shouldn’t have expected much.

  28. tcostant says: Sep 28, 2012 3:58 PM

    Most scabs are.

  29. peytonwantsaflag says: Sep 28, 2012 3:58 PM

    Nope – you were sacrifices, pawns have a chance. You guys were toast from the get go.

  30. blacknole08 says: Sep 28, 2012 3:58 PM

    Of course you were pawns! He knew what the situation was before he signed up, and knew it would end at the minimum before October (which it did). That was never a secret.

    IMO Players are the biggest pawns. Go out there and perform for all to see while the owners/league make money off you!

  31. ambitoos says: Sep 28, 2012 3:59 PM

    Quit crying. You were paid well and you knew it was temporary. I will admit though, some of you did a decent job but for most, thank god your gone. Take the money and run.

  32. captfoxboro says: Sep 28, 2012 4:01 PM

    Frump presided over the worst officiated game I’ve ever seen …or likely will ever see.
    ( GB / SEA game’s ending was a disgrace – but over-all not on the level of Pats / Ravens )
    Idiotic & gutless display by him and his crew last Sunday.

  33. rolldat says: Sep 28, 2012 4:02 PM

    And “Mongo just pawn in game of life.”

  34. gojags says: Sep 28, 2012 4:04 PM

    Goddell – Thank you for being a nice pawn. See you next time. Well…. I take it back. Wish see you never.

  35. rubicon202 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:05 PM

    C Ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  36. hoopieguy says: Sep 28, 2012 4:05 PM

    I cannot wait until the regular refs completely blow a call costing someone a game. You just know it’s coming. I think allot of you forgot that the regular refs were nothing to write home about either

  37. blackngold4life says: Sep 28, 2012 4:06 PM

    Don’t know why everybody so pissed at theses guys.. its like a nurse tyrna be a Dr..same game but way out her league. BLAME THE NFL

  38. samapoc says: Sep 28, 2012 4:07 PM

    I cannot understand why they were so bad? College games are ref’d fine. But these replacements were absolutely terrible.

  39. finfanvin says: Sep 28, 2012 4:08 PM

    I think the issue with the replacement refs was their dubbed name in itself. They weren’t replacing anyone, they were temp refs.

    If everyone called them temp refs, then I feel like we would have looked at them more like substitute teachers… they aren’t necessarily there to teach the lessons, their just there to make sure things don’t fall apart

    Obviously its frustrating when a bad call goes against your team, but only some of the blame can be placed on these guys… the majority of the issue was that that the NFL owners are cheap, and the NFLRA threatened any refs that have truly made a life of refereeing, that they would lose their current job if they took a temp position.

    whatever – lets watch some damn football…

  40. ayoungandres says: Sep 28, 2012 4:09 PM

    These guys are incredibly naive.

  41. cmizzad says: Sep 28, 2012 4:10 PM

    eepobee says: Sep 28, 2012 3:51 PM

    the tate TD call wasn’t incorrect. if you think it was than u almost think the miles austin catch against the jets last year was. since both regular refs on that play – and the replay ref – agreed that was a TD, the replay ref on the tate TD (who as also a regular) agreed it was a TD, and the NFL explained why it was the correct call, u can safely put to rest this argument. You can also stop with the “everybody but Seattle Seahawks fans” thought it was an interception. There have been a lot of people – on this blog and elsewhere – who have been able to look at this without the bias that you do.
    ================================

    Dude, seriously, give it a rest. Packer fans have moved on. Why can’t the Seahawks fans and Packer haters move on as well?

    And BTW, the call isn’t up for debate and it’s not a judgment call. It was blown. Period.

    The above story doesn’t even mention the call. So why even bring it up? Just enjoy the tainted victory and let’s all move on.

  42. maverick5266 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:11 PM

    Ummmm…….Duh we was pawns in a business deal. Glad you figured that one out Einstien. Now back to refin’ high school and juco, after you get done boiling fries at Micky D’s.

  43. ayoungandres says: Sep 28, 2012 4:12 PM

    I’ve never seen a pawn throw his hat on the board and almost cause the bishop’s groin to tear, so no, you weren’t pawns.

  44. seahawks4alltime says: Sep 28, 2012 4:13 PM

    “Can we stop hearing about these guys now?”

    Why Yes, you can stop hearing about them. It’s actually very simple. If you don’t want to hear something, then stop paying attention to the things you don’t want to hear about. For example, if you were to stop reading articles about the replacement refs, then you would stop hearing about them.

    They exist, they made bad calls, the sports media will write about them. Deal with it or stop paying attention.

  45. ramsnation88 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:14 PM

    Try a checkers piece confused as to which game was actually being played.

  46. enrifer says: Sep 28, 2012 4:17 PM

    They should of worn white solid shirts until they earned their stripes

  47. christophershearin says: Sep 28, 2012 4:17 PM

    Did the replacements have some bad calls? Yes, with that said, the Regular Refs have just as many bad calls. Honestly I would rather keep the replacements and kick the regulars to the curb, I swear it looks like the regular officals are paid off to tilt a game the way the NFL wants it to go………

  48. christophershearin says: Sep 28, 2012 4:19 PM

    ayoungandres

    you really are an idiot………. Do you seem to forget the referee who almost cost Courtney Brown an EYE by throwing his flag in his face? Shut up and keep drinking the NFL’s kool aid

  49. coldyron says: Sep 28, 2012 4:20 PM

    Why did they take the jobs then?

  50. deltaoracle says: Sep 28, 2012 4:26 PM

    “Pawns in a business deal” – sort of like… the fans.
    And Seasquawk fans, please stop trying to argue that was a legitimate TD and try convincing people that the Earth is flat. You’ll have more success.

  51. cardmagnet says: Sep 28, 2012 4:29 PM

    Did they expect their scab job to last forever and bring them infinite riches? C’mon man.

  52. eepobee says: Sep 28, 2012 4:30 PM

    cmizzad says:
    Sep 28, 2012 4:10 PM

    Dude, seriously, give it a rest. Packer fans have moved on. Why can’t the Seahawks fans and Packer haters move on as well?

    And BTW, the call isn’t up for debate and it’s not a judgment call. It was blown. Period.

    The above story doesn’t even mention the call. So why even bring it up? Just enjoy the tainted victory and let’s all move on.
    ================================

    Dude, seriously, I’m not a Seahawks fan. But if these guys continue to reference the play and call it “incorrect”, than I’m going to continue set them straight.

    And if u think the timing of a catch isn’t up for debate, you don’t have any business commenting here or watching football, for that matter.

    Not my victory to enjoy, but the Packers definitely did not earn anything in that game.

  53. fwippel says: Sep 28, 2012 4:30 PM

    The truth is, the replacement refs are the last people fans should be angry at about this whole thing. It’s not their fault they don’t have the experience. There was a job opening, and they took it when no one else would, while the owners and the regular refs were busy not talking to each other.

    What was the alternative? Should the NFL played the games without any refs? No. They could have tried to raid the major college conference refs, but that would have caused even more trouble.

    You want to blame someone? Blame the NFL, the owners and the regular refs. But the replacement refs, as bad as they were, filled a roll no one else was available to fill for the preseason and the first three weeks of the regular season. My guess is most of them did the best they could in a bad situation. At least the games were played.

    And who knows, maybe a few of these guys will get a regular gig someday. Erik Kramer turned a successful stint as a replacement QB in 1987 into a decent NFL career, and QB’d the Detroit Lion’s only playoff win since the 1950s. You just never know.

  54. bsizemore68 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:34 PM

    They took the jobs because they are SCABS. Now they know what it feels like. Bill

  55. filthymcnasty1 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:34 PM

    If you were pawns, you sure forked the Packers.

  56. sweetnlow44 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:37 PM

    crazycane, the replacements got paid 3k/game. 3 games times 3k = 9k. Even if they had ref’d 20 games, that’s 60k. That’s about 1/3 what the originals got before thy cried about wanting more.

  57. randomguy9999 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:41 PM

    nobody had it worse than the replacements… they went out and did the job the best they could so the season could continue….

    we should be thankful people were willing to do the job and games were played at all…..

    it’s not their fault the NFL and the Refs took those positions… nor is it their fault they didn’t have NFL experience because all those guys were on strike….

    the replacements deserve some slack…

    if you wanna blame someone… blame the regular refs for not wanting to be responsible for performance or the NFL for being cheap….

  58. bangithard says: Sep 28, 2012 4:43 PM

    at least now the REFS will be consistently bad – rather than the inconsistency of the first 3 weeks of this year!!

  59. sisqsage says: Sep 28, 2012 4:45 PM

    No fooling that guy…. except on Sundays.

  60. pierrepoint1 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:47 PM

    Poor scabs, they’re crying that the NFL used them. Ya think?

    They could have shown some integrity and not taken the job in the first place, and stayed out the bargaining process.

  61. kane337 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:48 PM

    “It’s time America thanks us all for making the games more exciting.”

    — NFL Replacement refs

  62. steelpalace302 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:51 PM

    What did he think ? Did he really think he was going to keep the job. Typical scab worker

  63. spdy34 says: Sep 28, 2012 4:51 PM

    pawns? absolutely! having the choice however, would you not also have taken a replacement ref job? this was a once in a lifetime opportunity for them to referee at the top. I don’t blame them for the bad calls, they were just ill prepared. the NFL AND the real refs are the ones to blame.

  64. lolatraidersfans says: Sep 28, 2012 4:52 PM

    The majority of these grown men accepted they were going to get intense criticism for their work… much more than what is usual for a ref at a lower level of football. But they showed up anyway and I got to watch the football I’ve been looking forward to. I say thanks for filling in and doing your best.

  65. liondriven says: Sep 28, 2012 4:52 PM

    That is what you get when you take another mans job for which you are grossly under qualified for.

    These scabs deserve whatever the got…good or bad.

  66. melikefootball says: Sep 28, 2012 5:00 PM

    They are absolutely correct, that is why they choose this group and would not allow the division 1 refs.

  67. jrmbadger says: Sep 28, 2012 5:02 PM

    eepobee says:
    Sep 28, 2012 4:30 PM
    cmizzad says:
    Sep 28, 2012 4:10 PM

    Dude, seriously, give it a rest. Packer fans have moved on. Why can’t the Seahawks fans and Packer haters move on as well?

    And BTW, the call isn’t up for debate and it’s not a judgment call. It was blown. Period.

    The above story doesn’t even mention the call. So why even bring it up? Just enjoy the tainted victory and let’s all move on.
    ================================

    Dude, seriously, I’m not a Seahawks fan. But if these guys continue to reference the play and call it “incorrect”, than I’m going to continue set them straight.

    And if u think the timing of a catch isn’t up for debate, you don’t have any business commenting here or watching football, for that matter.

    Not my victory to enjoy, but the Packers definitely did not earn anything in that game.

    =================================

    The call was wrong. From the point that both players lept, Jennings had control with BOTH hands and pinned it to his chest.

    I have still photos of both half way down to the ground where Tate’s arm is not even close to the ball while Jennings has both hands on it and its pinned to his chest. And if you think having one arm on the ball when the other player has two arms and is pinning it to his chest is somehow control – you are ridiculous.

    Enjoy what will be forever known as the “golden taint” or the “seattle screw” – take your pick.

    Seahawks 2-1 *

  68. stanklepoot says: Sep 28, 2012 5:03 PM

    That’s the lesson all would be scabs need to realize. No one cares about you. I don’t mean that as an attack on them as individuals, simply as objective fact.

    Scabs have no future with the companies they work for, unless the company simply decides to completely cut ties with their normal workers…and we all knew that was never going to happen in this case. It doesn’t matter how well you might be able to do the job (although in this case that wasn’t an issue). Sooner or later the two sides are going to come to an agreement. When that happens, the union members will not accept your presence, and the company (even if it had its way with the union in negotiations…again not an issue here) will not want to go out of its way to anger the employees it just made labor peace with.

    So, good or bad at the job, when labor peace comes, you’re done. It doesn’t matter how much you might have helped the company in negotiations, they will turn on you in a heartbeat with no second thoughts or compassion.

  69. brady100 says: Sep 28, 2012 5:06 PM

    Mongo is just pawn in game of life.

  70. kingpel says: Sep 28, 2012 5:08 PM

    Oh thank god. Now we have the regular refs back and will never have to endure another mistake or bad call again! Yeeeeeeeeah!

  71. stanklepoot says: Sep 28, 2012 5:08 PM

    melikefootball says: Sep 28, 2012 5:00 PM

    They are absolutely correct, that is why they choose this group and would not allow the division 1 refs.
    _______________________________
    You’ve got in backwards there. It was the division 1 schools that refused to allow the NFL to poach their refs. The last time this happened, the NFL actually hired division 1 refs. While not as good as the regular refs (due to different rules and speed of the game), they were a whole lot better than these replacements were. So, had the league been able to use them, they would have as it would have improved their negotiating position.

    Problem is, this means less time for the division 1 refs to prepare for the division 1 college games. So, after the last time this happened, they passed a rule that said refs could not work for them and moonlight for the NFL during a lockout. Since they know it would only be short-term work, no division 1 ref will give up his job to work for the NFL during a lockout.

  72. rogbill says: Sep 28, 2012 5:12 PM

    You guys will all be whining about the “regular” officials come Monday. I wish the owners would have held tough.

  73. stanklepoot says: Sep 28, 2012 5:13 PM

    clickablecontent says: Sep 28, 2012 3:43 PM

    I give them credit for helping make sure there was still a game for the NFLRA refs to come back to. That said, that’s all they were ever there for. Does this mean these guys will never have a shot at joining the union and the NFL?
    ___________________________________
    No chance in hell. The NFL is a union shop, and unions hate scabs more than anything. The NFLRA would quite simply not accept their presence in the league, and the league will not go out of its way to anger the NFLRA now that they’ve established labor peace for the next 8 years at least. They’ll want to bring in new refs, but they can recruit them from elsewhere. Division 1 refs will be available since we’re talking about full time jobs, as opposed to short-term jobs that would have cost them their full time jobs with the NCAA.

  74. getyourownname says: Sep 28, 2012 5:16 PM

    I’m sure the replacement refs are basically good people, but you are only a pawn if you are forced to do something you don’t want to do, or if the ultimate outcome is being hidden from you.

    Neither was true in this case.

  75. roadtrip3500 says: Sep 28, 2012 5:22 PM

    For all the claims the NFLRA can make about their staffing practices (blacks, Hispanics, etc.), the fact remains that the first female official in the NFL (Shannon Eastin) was a replacement. And with all the bad calls made by the replacements, I didn’t hear any mention of Ms. Eastin’s lack of competency at line judge for the first three weeks.

    If the NFLRA wanted to show some class, they should allow the NFL to hire her as one of the new taxi squad members.

  76. rpiotr01 says: Sep 28, 2012 5:22 PM

    There were one or two crews that I thought did a really good job and are worthy of being real NFL refs. One in particular, the guys who did the opening game NYG-DAL. With a little more experience they’d do just fine, just need to get used to the speed of the game and work on making sure things stay in rhythm. The rest showed why they never made it to the D1 level.

  77. gdublud says: Sep 28, 2012 5:33 PM

    Ummm…. Duh!

  78. bigdingyguy says: Sep 28, 2012 6:02 PM

    Honestly, I think we should all be thanking the “replacement refs”. They sacrificed themselves to the wrath of the fans, so we could all enjoy an NFL season. Kind of like a collective Jesus Christ… Of football.

  79. ytsejamer1 says: Sep 28, 2012 6:12 PM

    Once upon a time, there was an inferior football website run by a couple of part time hacks…they weren’t even part time journalists. But, it got better over time and as usual in life, if you throw enough crap at the wall, something sticks.

    Give the replacements a break…they kept the machine running because both the regular (and sometimes just as incompetent) refs and owners were being too greedy. They did their job as best they could and I am happy we had games to watch.

  80. richc111 says: Sep 28, 2012 6:18 PM

    Anyone who calls these guys scabs are losers! The only thing that makes people call them scabs is because the word Union is involved. If the word Union wasn’t associated with the group all the regular ref’s would have been was a bunch of greedy rich guys but for some reason your in a union and you immediately become the victim. A victim that makes 150-200K plus benefits for working a season part time job!

  81. saintswillwin says: Sep 28, 2012 6:19 PM

    Let them officiate the Pro Bowl!

    No one will care if they blow that game!

  82. packerman1968 says: Sep 28, 2012 6:21 PM

    Hopefully some of these guys and gal, get a chance at training and at a shot at the taxi squad.

  83. skolvikesskol says: Sep 28, 2012 6:33 PM

    No one seems to acknowledge that the league had regular refs and representatives in the booth and at the stadiums. They seemed to basically agree with most calls that were made on the field and never stepped in to help or correct the officials. Ya think they were hanging these guys out to dry? I do.

  84. stanklepoot says: Sep 28, 2012 6:37 PM

    richc111 says: Sep 28, 2012 6:18 PM

    Anyone who calls these guys scabs are losers! The only thing that makes people call them scabs is because the word Union is involved. If the word Union wasn’t associated with the group all the regular ref’s would have been was a bunch of greedy rich guys but for some reason your in a union and you immediately become the victim. A victim that makes 150-200K plus benefits for working a season part time job!
    ____________________________
    I think you miss the whole point of using a derogatory word like scab. Of course it’s only used when unions are involved, because that’s the only time that you have serious negotiations between labor and ownership. When there’s no union, ownership simply states the way things are going to be (provided it falls within the nation’s labor laws). Scabs are referred to in a derogatory tone because they are workers who undercut other workers’ ability to negotiate the best possible deal with ownership. In other words, they’re hurting their own kind for nothing more than a moderate short-term gain. Even the owners have no real respect for them. Once a deal is reached with the union, owners toss them out like garbage. The same is true in pretty much every industry.

  85. bigdingyguy says: Sep 28, 2012 6:38 PM

    Let them officiate the Pro Bowl!

    No one will care if they blow that game!
    ………………………..

    Possibly the most awesome idea I have heard all day. Hell, I might even tune in for that

  86. mgdsquiggy17 says: Sep 28, 2012 6:53 PM

    “Nope – you were sacrifices, pawns have a chance. You guys were toast from the get go.”

    Yep and the media and blogs like this were going to make sure that was the case. They had already decided before they even stepped foot on the field.

  87. mgdsquiggy17 says: Sep 28, 2012 6:57 PM

    Was anyone else hoping the Browns would score on the last second hail mary after the personal foul penalty last night? That would have been fantastic to see the Ravens crowd reaction after they gave them a standing ovation.

  88. mgdsquiggy17 says: Sep 28, 2012 6:58 PM

    “Dude, seriously, give it a rest. Packer fans have moved on. ”

    Uhm NO they haven’t. You still see them crying everywhere about it.

  89. randallflagg52 says: Sep 28, 2012 7:05 PM

    blackngold4life says:Sep 28, 2012 4:06 PM

    Don’t know why everybody so pissed at theses guys.. its like a nurse tyrna be a Dr..same game but way out her league. BLAME THE NFL

    ==================================

    So you’d be cool having a nurse do surgery on you over a trained medical doctor? Right.

  90. stanklepoot says: Sep 28, 2012 7:11 PM

    ytsejamer1 says: Sep 28, 2012 6:12 PM

    Once upon a time, there was an inferior football website run by a couple of part time hacks…they weren’t even part time journalists. But, it got better over time and as usual in life, if you throw enough crap at the wall, something sticks.

    Give the replacements a break…they kept the machine running because both the regular (and sometimes just as incompetent) refs and owners were being too greedy. They did their job as best they could and I am happy we had games to watch.
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    I’m sorry, but I have big problems with three of these statements.

    1. You simply can’t compare the replacements to the real refs. Have the real refs made some bad calls? Of course, they’re human after all. The real problem with the replacements wasn’t simply bad calls (although there were quite a few), it was that all too often they hesitated to make calls or were too intimidated by the players, coaches, and fans. Say what you want about the real refs, but they don’t get intimidated easily.

    Btw, the real refs haven’t made as many bad decisions as people say they have. Too many people fail to differentiate between bad calls and unpopular calls. I’ve heard and read all kinds of complaining when the officials correctly call rules that fans don’t like. The Tuck rule and the defenseless receiver rule (to the extreme degree it seems to go sometimes) might not be popular, but it’s the officials job to call them nonetheless.

    2. The replacement refs did not “keep the machine running”. Do you really think the owners would have given up all that revenue due to a dispute over a few million dollars? No way. If the league had not been able to put together a crew of replacement refs, a deal would have been reached much earlier.

    3. Exactly how were the refs being greedy? The big stumbling point for negotiations was the pension plan. How is it being greedy to want to keep something you’d been guaranteed to have for years?

    No, in this case the owners were the aggressors plain and simple. While their revenue is increasing, they wanted to cut their contribution to the refs’ retirement fund. The league wanted to bring in some full time refs and “increase the bench”, but they weren’t willing to pay for these new employees. They expected the refs to accept these new employees, despite the fact that their salaries would come out of the same unchanged pool of money their salaries came out of.

    So, what was the final result? Even after all hell rained down on the league, the refs were still willing to compromise. The refs keep their pension plan for the next 5 years, then it rolls over to a 401k style retirement plan. The league will get their deep bench over time (they will be trained and brought along by the NFLRA until they’re ready for full membership), but the league will pay for these new employees. The refs will get a little bit of a raise, but their salaries will rise at a much lower rate than the league’s increase in revenue will.

    All in all, this is a deal the refs would have signed in the preseason. It’s is deal in which both sides made compromises. Unfortunately, it took the extremely poor performance of the replacements, and the ire of the fans, league partners, and even the President before the league was will to make this deal. Why? Because the owners have been feeling all powerful lately. They think they can simply make demands of everyone, and others have no choice but to comply. Ironically, the owners were outdone this time by the very thing people said sarcastically during the lockout of the players: the Refs had real jobs.

  91. roadtrip3500 says: Sep 28, 2012 7:47 PM

    stanklepoot says: Sep 28, 2012 7:11 PM

    Btw, the real refs haven’t made as many bad decisions as people say they have. Too many people fail to differentiate between bad calls and unpopular calls. I’ve heard and read all kinds of complaining when the officials correctly call rules that fans don’t like. The Tuck rule and the defenseless receiver rule (to the extreme degree it seems to go sometimes) might not be popular, but it’s the officials job to call them nonetheless.
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    The real refs’ frequent bad calls are the reason why we have the replay review system, which is not only updated annually as to what can be reviewed, but now has mandatory reviews of all scoring plays and turnovers. If they were so great, it wouldn’t have ever been necessary.

  92. richc111 says: Sep 28, 2012 7:52 PM

    Hey Stan , A little bit of a raise!!!!! Their salariy will increase by 50K over the next 8 years. What do you do for a living work on Wall Street! Answer me this , why should the Ref’s or the players for that matter get raises because the league is generating more revenue?. I ask you, where do you work? If they grow REVENUE , do you get a raise? I can say in almost 100% of the case the answer is no!. So why does the fact the revenue growing make their jobs worth more? Are they doing a better job? So Stan what exactly do you propose. Anytime a Union wants something give it to them? Because that is what it sounds like you are saying. Answer me this question Stan. Why do the Ref need a Union. Are they under compensated for their work?. Are the poor working conditions? If the issue was the pension, why did they get a huge raise (note not a “little bit of a raise”) plus you name me 1 other job that you get a pension for working a part time seasonal job. Mark my words the next time this happens in 8 years the NFL will pull out the hat a whole bunch of trained replacement. That is how things work in business.

  93. eepobee says: Sep 28, 2012 7:54 PM

    jrmbadger says:

    The call was wrong. From the point that both players lept, Jennings had control with BOTH hands and pinned it to his chest.

    I have still photos of both half way down to the ground where Tate’s arm is not even close to the ball while Jennings has both hands on it and its pinned to his chest. And if you think having one arm on the ball when the other player has two arms and is pinning it to his chest is somehow control – you are ridiculous.

    Enjoy what will be forever known as the “golden taint” or the “seattle screw” – take your pick.

    Seahawks 2-1 *
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    i have a pic of tate’s hands on the ball first. also, under what set of criteria is having the ball “pinned” to your chest more “controlled”? if you look at the definition of a catch, you’ll see feet have to be on the ground inbounds. tate’s feet were on the ground first too. so tate had his hands on the ball first and his feet were on the ground first; how is this an interception exactly? are you saying tate didnt’ catch the ball?

    not sure why we’re suppose to enjoy it, but thanks for giving me permission.

  94. markaaron2012 says: Sep 28, 2012 7:59 PM

    No whining! I agree you were pawns, but the argument that if you didn’t do it, someone else would doesn’t hold water with me. You saw a chance to make a buck and you took it. Simple as that. Why don’t you thank your lucky stars that you got to be on the field with these guys for a little while? Did you really have to subject yourself to being a “pawn”? I really doubt it. Absolutely ZERO sympathy from this fan. I am glad you got the chance, and I know Jerry Jones was being an a$$, but you chose to be party to it. Suck it up and be a man!

  95. allidoiswin55 says: Sep 29, 2012 5:30 PM

    Joint Possession is fulfilled by the Tate/ Jennings play.. A Rational person tells you its an interception. However with all the Bashing of a team, refs, an coaches by the media.. There are people like myself that go to look (OBJECTIVELY) at the video evidence frame by frame. And upon futher review you call all but TOTALLY DISREGARD.. an INT being called…
    Its almost impossible to prove a INT with real hard evidence and with the ways the rules have been written becuase of the grey area between the definitions of Control & Possession! According to the rules.. Its a CATCH and therefore a SEA Touchdown!!!

    Thats the purpose for my original post on here. Ill stop and “take my tainted victory” when people remove their heads from there a** and realize it called right! my eyes tell me INT.. the Media and every other biased outlet says the same.. But the facts show different.. To be unable to see this and simply proclaim the call as 100% inaccurate is beyond stupid!

    They put the replacement refs in a terrible situation.. Hard enough to do your job.. Their Integrety, personal lives, and careers were all questioned becuase of this. I mean people accusing them of cheating with Vegas.. Come on get real!
    The replacement refs were NFL puppets all along and in one of the worst positions becuase of how easily you could point the finger! Referees have a hard enough job yet alone the media jumping all over every single error in a game. It was better TV to call out the refs. At first they were defending the replacements.. That equated to NO EXTRA viewings.. But the moment they switched there stance.. BOOM… Mobb style media, feeding people what they want to hear, building drama, all the articles all the TV shows..then you put a call that was made on MNF.. and about 90% of people believe it was an INT (Me included while watching) and the Sh*t storm goes crazy! Even the President comments on a football play!!!
    The reg refs come back and now bad calls **Have magically never been made before, no games won or lost based on a call, all is forgiven between players and refs** Thats quite literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard and to not see that is pathetic!. As if bad calls dont happen in football on a more regular basis than any other professional sport. No matter the REFS! The whole idea of “I think we should take a knee..” Go ahead, but you better donote your checks refund all ticket costs and even cable costs then fools. A bad call made effects outcomes, but they regularly happen. On Monday you benefited from quite a few and lost to a couple! Sh*t happens..But since you wouldnt go paycheckless why threaten ruining a game people use to “get away” from their daily struggles…
    Now that the reg refs are back,
    **Now Finally teams can point their fingers at THEMSELVES**

  96. ytownjoe says: Sep 29, 2012 8:58 PM

    The NFL was the laughingstock of professional sports. Television shows, morning, noon and night had a good time poking fun at the NFL. Even the women’s gossip show, The View, seemed bewildered about it.
    Thee non-sports world thanks the NFL for all the laughs.

  97. pappic says: Oct 5, 2012 7:11 PM

    Has anyone thought of the idea that these “replacement” refs are still refs….regardless of where they come from, they are refs…..and sometimes bad calls and mistakes could happen if these refs stuck together. As in all for one, if we do a bad job, fans and teams will complain and work out a deal to get our brother refs back at the deal they wanted….and thats what happened.

  98. clrkcm says: Oct 5, 2012 7:40 PM

    they gave a great effort got overwhelmed at times and allowed us fans to enjoy football glad the regular refs are back

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