Even if Seahawks wanted to change QBs, Flynn’s not ready

AP

Even if the Seahawks wanted to change quarterbacks right now, which they don’t, they can’t.

Rookie Russell Wilson threw three picks in yesterday’s loss to the Rams, and some of the early hysteria has cooled in the Pacific Northwest.

But Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said on 710 ESPN this morning (via John Boyle of the Everett Herald) that backup Matt Flynn’s sore elbow would keep him from going through a normal week’s work right now.

That gives Wilson at least a temporary reprieve, though it’s clear the Seahawks want to make it work with him.

“The issue that we have — we think that Russell is busting his tail to do everything and he’s getting better. . . we have a little bit of a problem with Matt,” Carroll said. “Matt’s still not full speed. Anybody that thinks, ‘Let’s go with the other guy,’ well he can’t practice yet. He could go in and throw it and make it through a game. He throws 15 throws a day a couple days a week, so that’s not really enough to get him ready in a game plan. . .

“So that’s not even an issue for us yet.”

The distinction’s an important one. Flynn hasn’t appeared on an injury report yet, since he’s well enough to take the No. 2 share of reps in practice (which would ostensibly be few so Wilson could get all he could).

But if he had to take starter reps on Wednesday and Thursday, that might not be the case.

So until he is, the quarterback controversy is a moot point in Seattle.

42 responses to “Even if Seahawks wanted to change QBs, Flynn’s not ready

  1. So Flynn’s not injured?

    Or is he is injured?

    Or is he injured only so the coach can say he’s injured so that fans wont want the coaches head for not playing the best QB that Seattle currently has?

  2. How does a backup that doesn’t even get practice time get hurt? This sounds more like a coach that made a QB decision, that has turned out to be bad, not wanting to admit his mistake.

  3. Time to take the training wheels off of Wilson then, Pete. Unless Pete’s ok with losing games like they did yesterday, he needs to do something. Open up the playbook instead of coddling him. Enough of the overly conservative play calling. It’s costing the Seahawks wins.

  4. The Seahawks have a good enough team around the QB position to compete now. They can’t afford to throw a season away for a rookie to go through growing pains. Wilson deserves some more time, but if he continues to struggle, you got to put Flynn in there.

  5. To Wilson’s defense, each of the 3 picks in that game were not entirely his fault. Baldwin dropped ball, Lynch giving up on his block, and McCoy falling down on a timing route. It would also be nice to have the same starting 5 O-lineman out there at the same time.

  6. There’s no question the ‘Hawks passing offense has been pretty anemic, but only one (and maybe none) of the picks Sunday were Wilson’s fault.

    The first was in and out of the hands of the receiver BEFORE the interception,and really should have been a reception. The second went wild as Wilson’s arm was hit by a pass rusher while he was throwing. Wilson should have stepped up or sensed the rush – on the other hand, pass protection was a problem all day. The third pick occurred when the Seahawks TE slipped (slipped!) on an out route – if he completes the route it’s at minimum not an INT and probably goes for a reception as well.

    Wilson seems a lot more mobile than Flynn. With the way the Seahawks are blocking, that’s probably the key consideration as to who should be starting.

  7. Russel Wilson is the best QB on the Seahawks roster right now.

    Are you going to get upset with the QB when the defense catches a tipped ball? Are you going to get upset with the QB when McCoy falls on his face and doesn’t make the first down play? As a fan I don’t think it’s wise to get on Wilson for those interceptions.

    It does mean that, as a coach, you need to get Wilson to do a better job of reading the defense and making better choices. Maybe if Wilson goes throws to the left instead of the right the ball doesn’t get tipped. Maybe if McCoy stays on his feet the ball doesn’t end up in the hands of the Rams defense and the Seahawks move the chains.

    Russell Wilson is the quarterback in Seattle. He is a great QB. But he’s not perfect. Who is?

  8. zn0rseman says:
    Oct 1, 2012 3:57 PM
    So Flynn’s not injured?

    Or is he is injured?

    Or is he injured only so the coach can say he’s injured so that fans wont want the coaches head for not playing the best QB that Seattle currently has?

    Who might I ask is this best QB you’re talking about?, surely not the saviour who had his job (yeah, the one handed to him without competition) taken from him because he SUCKED.

    Flynn will forever be a backup….His rightful place.

  9. Wilson is the only QB that can score TDs by throwing interceptions. You pretty much have to stick with that kind of advantage.

  10. A bit of a messy situation.

    They pay Flynn to come in and be the starter and then they go with the rookie right out of the gate–
    Wouldn’t it have made more sense to let Wilson sit and learn for a few weeks and see if Flynn had the ability to lead the offense?

    I know Wilson looked better in camp, but what’s the rush? It’s not like he ran away with it.

    The good news is that with that defense they’ll be alright either way. I hope they get this thing figured out. They’re an exciting up and coming team.

  11. Why would they even be thinking about this after one bad game? The guy is a rookie, and is going to have some tough games. They accepted that when they decided to give him the job. I don’t think that there should really be any questions until Wilson stings a couple of stinkers together. Most veteran QB’s have a couple of 3 pick games per season anyway.

  12. A lot of teams are winning and losing close games this year, but I have to think if the Seahawks had a QB that could throw for 230 yards a game to go with a league leading rusher who is 100+ yards money, a top 5 defense and a pretty good special teams, these two thisclose losses and the GB win would have been more comfortable and you’d have a 4-0 team winning fairly comfortably every week. Sunday was everything that could go wrong in the passing game did go wrong and Leg-a-tron

  13. For those who think this is an excuse for the Seahawks to keep Wilson in, it should be noted that Flynn’s arm issues, while always vague, have been mentioned pretty consistently by Carroll since mid-way through training camp. A few weeks ago, when nobody was really calling for him, a reporter asked about Flynn’s status and Carroll said the same thing then – Flynn still can’t fully participate in practices.

    I’m starting to think that barring this issue Flynn would have been the starter and that the Seahawks chose to start Wilson over keeping Jackson around. At the very least it means the kid gets some experience.

  14. offthelows says:
    Oct 1, 2012 4:49 PM
    A lot of teams are winning and losing close games this year, but I have to think if the Seahawks had a QB that could throw for 230 yards a game to go with a league leading rusher who is 100+ yards money, a top 5 defense and a pretty good special teams, these two thisclose losses and the GB win would have been more comfortable and you’d have a 4-0 team winning fairly comfortably every week. Sunday was everything that could go wrong in the passing game did go wrong and Leg-a-tron

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    doubtful. they have a good defense but far from dominant like a ravens or niners d. the offense has many holes that extend beyond QB. OL is suspect, receivers are decent but not going to demand double coverages, and as far as coaching goes, Pete’s getting thoroughly outcoached by the rest of the NFC West.

    seahawks are much better personnel wise than they were 2 years ago but when u gut a team it will take more than 2 offseasons to turn it into a legit contender. and honestly i don’t think pete’s going to be around long enough to see that happen.

  15. I was at the game in St Louis and zero of the picks can be attributed to Wilson. Certainly he is working on building pocket awareness, but it’s a marathon and not a sprint. Have the defense get off the field a couple of times in 3rd and ten or more and you’ll find out the 4th ranked defense allowed 5 conversions on ridiculous long conversions. Flynn got beat out in camp, Wilson has a much better upside with the o-line woes right now, just need the coaches to let him sling a few times and back the safetys off.

  16. Looks like Coach Carroll doesnt mind getting fired at seasons end.

    Russell might be good some day, but he isnt today. How long are the Seahawks going to let that talent stew in order to make Coach Carroll think he makes good choice on the quarterback position? QB has been Seatles weakest link since Hasselbeck faded.

  17. “Russell Wilson is the quarterback in Seattle. He is a great QB.”

    …I like Wilson’s potential, but you really need to look at his stats (even with a “questionable” Hail Mary TD) before calling him great.

  18. Lets be honest, Seattle is actually 1-3. Wilson has not played better than average all season. He’s 5’10” and no matter how much people want to say that doesn’t matter, it actually does matter. Offensive lineman are 6’5″ and up, a lot closer to 6’7″. He has to drop way back in order to see and has to pass from a lower level than the arms coming at him.

  19. Don’t worry, he will look like Montana against the terrible secondary of the Panthers.

  20. I have the solution to the whole problem…send him back to Green Bay and the Seahawks can have Harrel and a years supply of frozen steaks. A one armed Flynn is better than a 100% Harrel. The guy nearly singlehandedly cost GB the game with one snap.

  21. Went to the STL vs KC preseason game back in Aug-had free tix-why not? At any rate I came away from that game with impression that the Rams were much improved and would surprise a lot of ppl this year. Their 1’s vs KC 1’s were noticeably superior.

    Going off record alone, AZ is currently the best team in the NFC West with STL and SF tied and SEA bringing up the rear. Taking all things into account however, I think it’s currently a toss up between SF and AZ for best in the west with SEA bringing up the rear.

    This division is going to become a perennial dog fight for the foreseeable future. All 4 teams play solid to suffocating defense and it will come down to who can build an offense to match.

  22. This is just to buy Wilson another week – now Carroll thinks we are dumb?

    Next thing you know he’ll be seeking to change our name from “12th Man” to “12 Idiots”.

  23. Carroll’s handling of the QB position, starting with forcing Hasselbeck out, has been atrocious. He does a lot of things right, but not this.

    He is driven by going against the grain in every decision he makes, and that attitude is no more evident than his QB roulette.

  24. so if there is only wilson and flynn and flynn is injured. if wilson gets taken out in a game we dont have a QB at all. But Wilson sucks anyway so Hauschka start learning plays you are our only hope.

  25. Still don’t understand why Hasselbeck isn’t still in Seattle.

    Great running game. Great defense. Veteran QB away from being a legit contender. Instead they’re .5oo.

  26. To my eyes it really seems like the play-calling has been down right awful. The Seahawks are THE MOST predictable offense in the league…

    To the person questioning the defense… Hmm ur right the Hawks are not on the level of the Ravens.. WAYY better in almost every statistical category and younger! Get real homie. Ray Lewis is my Favorite player of all time.. its hurts me but hes old.. The Ravens are good top 10 but no shutdown defense…

    The seahawks have a lot of offensive wholes, their O-line has been banged up and constantly adjusting they have poor communication. The WR’s are not beating man coverage so teams are able to load up the box. Beast Mode is getting soo many yards but its not because he has gaping wholes or running lanes.. He’s dragging defenders on a regular basis…
    The hawks offense is baddddd… But its not Wilsons fault, they dont even call plays downfield.. All checkdowns, easy reads, theres just not many opportunities.

    Literally you as a fan can watch a game and guess each play. Until they let the Kid win and loose games he wont learn. And all this playing time will have been wasted because he’ll still needs to make mistakes… The 3 INT’s werent all his fault he had 1 ball he shouldve thrown earlier. Poor 3rd down conversions are killing this team but with a rookie QB they should struggle…

    The hawks have a playoff defense… Not sure anyone is going to blow them out! But the team cant rely solely on a defense to produce points and give up few and expect to win a lot of games with little offense and 4th quarter drives… Especially with a first year starter either Wilson or Flynn!

    ******BTW the team and Local Media/Fans LOVE PETE… He has NO CHANCE of loosing his Job! The team has THE MOST talented, athletic, player upside, and youth with experience in ALL THE NFL.. They lack a few pieces and experience at QB.. But he is responsible for building that depth of players! People hate his Excitement, Passion,Swagger, Enthusiasm, and his Competitive nature.. All reasons why hes been soo successful and why players Love playing for him!

  27. Rams have 8 picks through 4 games. They made Stafford look bad, contained RG3, held Cutler in check and now Wilson.

    I despise the hags, but Wilson has played good enough 25% into the season. Give him some time ffs.

    Loving the NFC West these days

  28. So a coach lying to media about their players…..doesn’t this happen everyday? No news here.

    Well said allidoiswin55. I don’t know if it’s Bevell or what, but the plays are horrible. I don’t understand no quick outs or slants…just to get things going. Dink & Dunk, then you can take your occasional shots down field.

    Also I don’t know why Seattle’s def can’t stop people on 3rd and long. They gave up I think 5 3rd and longs. The game against St. Louis if they just stopped a few of those.

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