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Seahawks-Packers ref now admits call was “probably” wrong

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A cottage industry emerged last week among a small handful of contrarians who pandered to Seahawks fans by suggesting that the events that concluded the Monday night game between Green Bay and Seattle were handled correctly.

That industry can now officially be disbanded.

Replacement referee Wayne Elliott, who initially defended the call of a touchdown by Seahawks receiver Golden Tate, reluctantly admitted during an interview with Cris Collinsworth and James Brown on this week’s Inside the NFL that the call “probably” should have been an interception.

The heart of the controversy continues to be the difference between control and possession.  If one player controls the ball before the other player, there can be no simultaneous catch.

Elliott also said that he received plenty of calls after “the call,” and that one of them came from Packers coach Mike McCarthy.

“He called me at my house last week, because he had heard I was having a rough week with all the calls and everything,” Elliott said.  “He just had heard that I was having a rough week, and wanted [me] to know that he thought what I did, controversial and maybe he didn’t agree with it, that I handled it with class.”

Asked for some war stories, Elliott said that Bears quarterback Jay Cutler called Elliott an “M-F-in’ replacement ref” during a game, but that Cutler later offered him water, explaining the profanity by saying that was the only way to get Elliott’s attention.

Referee Jim Core shared an observation regarding Bucs coach Greg Schiano:  “He’s college.”  Core went on to explain that wasn’t a compliment.

The full interview is worth a listen.  But here’s hoping it’s the last we hear from or about the replacement officials.

Ever.

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70 Responses to “Seahawks-Packers ref now admits call was “probably” wrong”
  1. textexington says: Oct 4, 2012 11:24 AM

    The Packers are still gonna win Superbowl XLVII!!!

  2. packermama says: Oct 4, 2012 11:24 AM

    Well, I can appreciate that he has the balls to admit he was wrong. And as usual, Mike McCarthy is completley classy.

  3. greymares says: Oct 4, 2012 11:25 AM

    why is this man being harrassed? would you be on the substitute teacher like this if your kid didn’t get that “A”

  4. thraiderskin says: Oct 4, 2012 11:29 AM

    He should not get harrassed, because if I remember correctly, the call was upheld on further review. Mistakes are made, that is why replay was invented. I have an issue with him defending the call long after the game was over, but he made a mistake, and the rest of the process allowed that mistake to persist.

  5. supermariojosh says: Oct 4, 2012 11:30 AM

    greymares says: Oct 4, 2012 11:25 AM

    why is this man being harrassed? would you be on the substitute teacher like this if your kid didn’t get that “A”
    ———————-
    Actually, yes, I believe most parents would. Have you ever been around a helicopter mother whose child got a bad grade?

  6. thegregwitul says: Oct 4, 2012 11:30 AM

    Regarding the Schiano comment; let’s remember that Greg Schiano was brought in for a reason and that reason is to instill discipline and order to a once proud franchise that became a total joke losing ten straight games and quitting on the prior coach, who was in over his head to begin with. So, yeah, maybe some of Schiano’s tactics (toes on the line) and intensity (rushing the line on a kneel down) are “college”, and maybe the young Bucs are 1-3 (losing three games by a combined 15 points), but there is a change for the culture and it is for the better. The roster is getting turned over and the new draft class looks promising. The offense needs to be consistent and take advantage of Freeman’s skillset, which is not to be a catalyst for a run heavy offense. The man needs to throw more, just like he does at the end of games, instead of this vanilla looking offense that is run in the first three and a half quarters. Because that looks “college” and not in a good way.

  7. canadianvikingfaniii says: Oct 4, 2012 11:30 AM

    This is ridiculous. Can we be done with this stupid story. Its being dragged out far too long. If you want to do a story on refs. do one on how bad the real refs have been.

  8. stayclassyasheville says: Oct 4, 2012 11:31 AM

    Oh good Florio! Now will you let this guy fade back into obscurity, or continue to give him the pariah treatment?

  9. zoellner25 says: Oct 4, 2012 11:33 AM

    Jay Cutler being Jay Cutler.

  10. packfaninpackland says: Oct 4, 2012 11:34 AM

    Elliot made some frightening admissions in that piece.

    Most notably: “For me, I learned a rule, by screwing up a rule” and also “that’s the best way for me to learn (a rule) is to screw it up”.

    Oh dear God.

    Plus, his cavalier attitude and smirking throughout all of it, is really bizarre.

    Essentially saying “Yep, I bleeped up, tough sh–“. Unreal.

  11. lbpackfan says: Oct 4, 2012 11:35 AM

    Helly kattykathy, where are you with your “Packers are classless” comments????

  12. linemanguy74 says: Oct 4, 2012 11:37 AM

    sorry just like vikes- packers 2010 game

  13. n0hopeleft says: Oct 4, 2012 11:37 AM

    Can we move past this already?

    The Packers benefited from so many bad calls in 2011.

    It is what it is.

  14. dericivy says: Oct 4, 2012 11:38 AM

    So, are we going to have story about this Monday Night game each week of the season?

    Seriously, time to move on.

  15. beecee71 says: Oct 4, 2012 11:40 AM

    Leave the guy alone. In the end it got the labor issue resolved. I know packers fans won’t agree but it did more good than bad for the NFL.

  16. thetokyosandblaster says: Oct 4, 2012 11:43 AM

    Shhh, don’t tell the Vikings fans that!

    The way they tell it, golden Tate was wide open in the end zone, after fighting off three illegal hits from the packers, and made a stunning one handed catch on a perfect ball thrown by a qb who is way better than Rodgers, all while Rodgers was beating up children, blowing off cancer patients, and complaining about Gas prices.

  17. packfaninchitown says: Oct 4, 2012 11:44 AM

    Lot of good it does now, but at least it got the regular guys back.

  18. thepvyharvin says: Oct 4, 2012 11:44 AM

    We forgive you,,,was just the Packers

  19. whatjusthapped says: Oct 4, 2012 11:45 AM

    Now compare Mike McCarthy’s approach to the call to that of Pete Carroll. Carroll continues to try to convince the rest of the world that it was a correct call instead of just shutting up and taking the free gift.

    It’s like winning the lottery and then bragging about how smart you are in picking the numbers. Pete Carroll shows no class, Golden Tate is a disgrace to the ethical standards of his alma mater Notre Dame and karma has yet to extract its full revenge on the Seahawks.

  20. barroomhero80 says: Oct 4, 2012 11:45 AM

    Enough already

  21. gcsuk says: Oct 4, 2012 11:45 AM

    greymares says: Oct 4, 2012 11:25 AM

    why is this man being harrassed? would you be on the substitute teacher like this if your kid didn’t get that “A”
    ———————————————————————-

    If the substitute teacher graded my kid’s paper wrong, and her grade went down because of the substitute teacher’s mistake, then yeah, I would be all over that teacher.

  22. knackstermyea says: Oct 4, 2012 11:49 AM

    This guy is hangin on to his 15 minutes of fame. Or Infamy. As Iron Mike would say… “Stop It” !

  23. cuffhimbanano says: Oct 4, 2012 11:49 AM

    Move on please. You would have a long time ago if the teams were reversed.
    Now that’s the tragedy.

  24. smdigh1 says: Oct 4, 2012 11:49 AM

    You would be on the substitute teacher if they gave your kid an “F” he didn’t deserve

  25. PackersHome.com says: Oct 4, 2012 11:51 AM

    ^^^ if it wasn’t obvious, Packers fan here and this is enough already. Yeah, it sucked, it’s an L and nothing can change it. Hopefully it’s a lesson learned in the future. That said, the Packers can say they were better than 31 other teams and the referee’s when they win the Super Bowl this season. :)

    That’s right, I said it!!!

  26. vikefan says: Oct 4, 2012 11:52 AM

    i find it laughable that a franchise that berates all bout championships & history leaves it up to the final play of a game with replacement officials to bitch bout a loss. be a better team by winning my more than 1 score & u would not have this problem EVER….replacement officials or otherwise!!

  27. photoguy13 says: Oct 4, 2012 11:52 AM

    I’m really glad that Mike McCarthy has shown such class in this situation. Hopefully this game deciding call will not keep the Packers out of the playoffs.

  28. belgaron says: Oct 4, 2012 11:53 AM

    The biggest difference to having the real refs back is they don’t cave to the peer pressure of the fans, this is a prime example.

  29. yeayoubetcha99 says: Oct 4, 2012 11:54 AM

    More whining from puckers fans when are you girls gonna quit crying about one call

  30. gbpbacker84 says: Oct 4, 2012 11:55 AM

    I’m a Packer fan. They lost the game. The NFL wasn’t in on it. People make mistakes. Learn from it. Get over it. Move on. Go Pack!

  31. dino2997 says: Oct 4, 2012 12:01 PM

    I get the feeling this man was harassed to the point where he finally gave in and admitted to being ‘wrong” to get the media off his back.

  32. jetsfan136 says: Oct 4, 2012 12:04 PM

    The ref went on to say that the Titanic “probably” sank

  33. Big John Little says: Oct 4, 2012 12:06 PM

    The bigger story is the league directive to ignore pass interference in a hail mary situation.

  34. MasMacho says: Oct 4, 2012 12:14 PM

    The horror… there is a horse laying on the ground over there. I think it’s dead. At least I thought it was dead 2 weeks ago…. that guy in the Green shirt won’t stop beating it.

    It is very sad.

  35. eepobee says: Oct 4, 2012 12:17 PM

    yeah, but it actually was the right call. ppl who don’t think so haven’t seen the slo-mo videos and don’t know the rules.

  36. scytherius says: Oct 4, 2012 12:18 PM

    And this Packer fan (for 50 years) would like to add . . . if you guys (Pack) had been up by 3 TDs we wouldn’t be having this conversation. As any athlete will tell you (played FB in college), the refs don’t lose the game for you, YOU lose the game yourself.

    Go Pack!

  37. thetokyosandblaster says: Oct 4, 2012 12:20 PM

    Lost amongst all this puny Viking fan hatred and packer fan awesomeness is the bit about Cutler being Cutler, one of the most deplorable people in the league. What a little girl.

  38. whatnojets says: Oct 4, 2012 12:23 PM

    No interfience calls on “Hail Mary” passes!?!?!!

  39. goldrush36 says: Oct 4, 2012 12:24 PM

    Please like the real refs weren’t exactly great. Wilson got away with repeatedly pulling on Crabtree and Manningham or throwing armbars because he repeatedly got beat from the line every play. There has been bogus calls again in every game. Just nothing as catastrophic……. YET

  40. tenaciousod says: Oct 4, 2012 12:33 PM

    It might be helpful to mention that he wasn’t the one that initially made the ruling (since he was positioned behind the QB on the play, and nowhere near the endzone), and only came to that conclusion after seeing the play for the first time on the Jumbotron. Comments are better when placed in the right context.

  41. wrabblewrouser says: Oct 4, 2012 12:38 PM

    “The heart of the controversy continues to be the difference between control and possession. If one player controls the ball before the other player, there can be no simultaneous catch.”

    ============

    and the problem you’re having is that you don’t know what control means. can a player control a ball with 1 hand? clearly they can. so tate had control of the ball first (which you’d know if you’ve watched the slo-mo vids) and possession first (because his feet were on the ground before jennings).

    this seems be a mental block that you just can’t seem to get past despite a mountain of evidence to support that the call was correctlyl made.

  42. 7ransponder says: Oct 4, 2012 12:44 PM

    thetokyosandblaster says:Oct 4, 2012 11:43 AM

    Shhh, don’t tell the Vikings fans that!

    The way they tell it, golden Tate was wide open in the end zone, after fighting off three illegal hits from the packers, and made a stunning one handed catch on a perfect ball thrown by a qb who is way better than Rodgers, all while Rodgers was beating up children, blowing off cancer patients, and complaining about Gas prices.
    ———————-
    Actualy no, all the Vikings fans I know think you truly got jobbed. We’re just laughing at how much you’re overreacting considering all the flack we’ve got from our Pack fan friends in the area for complaining about refs in the past. Divine justice.

  43. mvp43 says: Oct 4, 2012 1:05 PM

    vikefan says:
    Oct 4, 2012 11:52 AM
    i find it laughable that a franchise that berates all bout championships & history leaves it up to the final play of a game with replacement officials to bitch bout a loss. be a better team by winning my more than 1 score & u would not have this problem EVER….replacement officials or otherwise!!

    ———————————————–
    The Packer players & the coaches themselves have acknowledged fact that they didn’t play well in that game, particularily the first half. As a matter of fact, Aaron Rodgers said as much on his radio interview Tuesday. That being said, it doesn’t take away from the fact that it was a blown call that lost the game for them.

  44. tsi431 says: Oct 4, 2012 1:26 PM

    The issue isn’t the bad call/missed call. They happen all the time.

    The issue is he didn’t even know the rule. That is what stands out, and what is wrong with this whole ordeal.

  45. jrmbadger says: Oct 4, 2012 1:30 PM

    Wow…. that’s incredibly classy on the part of Mike McCarthy.

    That guy’s a great coach and seems like a great human being.

  46. ghoul11 says: Oct 4, 2012 1:42 PM

    @scytherius “And this Packer fan (for 50 years) would like to add . . . if you guys (Pack) had been up by 3 TDs we wouldn’t be having this conversation. As any athlete will tell you (played FB in college), the refs don’t lose the game for you, YOU lose the game yourself.”
    ——————————————
    You’re right, we wouldn’t, because if they were up by 3 TD’s Seattle likely wouldn’t have thrown a hail mary.

  47. nbcruinedpft says: Oct 4, 2012 1:49 PM

    thetokyosandblaster says:
    Oct 4, 2012 12:20 PM
    Lost amongst all this puny Viking fan hatred and packer fan awesomeness is the bit about Cutler being Cutler, one of the most deplorable people in the league. What a little girl.

    _____________________________

    Yeah – used a bad word to get the refs attention. Then offered him water.

    What a soulless MONSTER.

    Then again, I’m assuming someone who names themselves after a lame Conan O’Brien poop joke probably just gets ALL their opinions from t.v. instead of reality, so…

  48. filthymcnasty1 says: Oct 4, 2012 1:53 PM

    I think it would be hilarious if the Packers still ended up winning the division even though the refs spotted the also rans a game.

  49. thetokyosandblaster says: Oct 4, 2012 1:56 PM

    7ransponder says:
    Oct 4, 2012 12:44 PM
    thetokyosandblaster says:Oct 4, 2012 11:43 AM

    Shhh, don’t tell the Vikings fans that!

    The way they tell it, golden Tate was wide open in the end zone, after fighting off three illegal hits from the packers, and made a stunning one handed catch on a perfect ball thrown by a qb who is way better than Rodgers, all while Rodgers was beating up children, blowing off cancer patients, and complaining about Gas prices.
    ———————-
    Actualy no, all the Vikings fans I know think you truly got jobbed. We’re just laughing at how much you’re overreacting considering all the flack we’ve got from our Pack fan friends in the area for complaining about refs in the past. Divine justice.

    Then you don’t know any of the Viking fans on this site. Look above. Not one packer fan whining about the call. More people saying packer fans are whining than anything else. This article was posted because its news, not by the packers, not for the packers.

    Divine justice? That happens when (not if) the packers won the Super Bowl.

  50. getyourownname says: Oct 4, 2012 1:56 PM

    “But here’s hoping it’s the last we hear from or about the replacement officials. Ever.”

    If that’s a promise never to write about it again, count me in.

    Skeptical, but in.

  51. cmdv8 says: Oct 4, 2012 2:09 PM

    if it were the jaguars or browns nobody would care

  52. gdeli says: Oct 4, 2012 2:27 PM

    too little too late like our vikes losing to the aint’s(yes the ain’ts) then finding out about bountygate. BUT the dang vikes did it to themselves by 5 turnovers. Farve had some bad decisions there too.

  53. tsi431 says: Oct 4, 2012 2:38 PM

    cmdv8 says: Oct 4, 2012 2:09 PM

    if it were the jaguars or browns nobody would care

    ——————————————–

    True, because rarely is a Jaguar or Brown game ever within one score.

  54. doctoraud says: Oct 4, 2012 2:41 PM

    I’m so tired of people saying that the Packers should have never let the game get to the point where a Hail Mary would beat them. Has anyone watched the rest of the games this year? A majority of them have come down to final possesions and 2 minute drives. Most of the point spreads are 3-4 tops. The NFL is a very even league and any team can win on any given Sunday. To say the Packers or anyother team should alway win by 2-3 scores is just plain ignorant to how the NFL is today.

  55. muklodge says: Oct 4, 2012 2:51 PM

    Funny, he has defended it multiple times, but is now starting to back pedal… Can we say ‘Media pressure?’

  56. ericf70 says: Oct 4, 2012 2:59 PM

    NFL fans have released an official statement: And I quote…”DUH!”

  57. mannyfresh209 says: Oct 4, 2012 3:03 PM

    The full interview is worth a listen. But here’s hoping it’s the last we hear from or about the replacement officials.

    Ever.

    that’s just mean lol

  58. florida727 says: Oct 4, 2012 3:14 PM

    Was “probably wrong” is a lot like saying it rained “a little bit” when Noah made a boat.

  59. animal30 says: Oct 4, 2012 3:28 PM

    “vikefan says:
    Oct 4, 2012 11:52 AM
    i find it laughable that a franchise that berates all bout championships & history leaves it up to the final play of a game with replacement officials to bitch bout a loss. be a better team by winning my more than 1 score & u would not have this problem EVER….replacement officials or otherwise!!”

    ————————————————–

    I find it laughable that you are even able to speak about championships since your team has NEVER won a Superbowl.

  60. gizzmonic says: Oct 4, 2012 3:59 PM

    Teams on the rise know when they have turned the corner by picking up fans nationally. I think the way Carrol, and Tate have responded durring this whole thing will make it less likely that football fans from outside the seattle area will start to root for them or buy the jerseys.
    They got the W, but the fan backlash will cost them in the long run.

  61. scoobaj says: Oct 4, 2012 5:08 PM

    The call was correct when you see the local Seattle affiliate tv angle of kcpq 13 fox, but nobody in the media really wants to say they over reacted and the scab refs were actually right. Sorry packers, keep crying tho

  62. jonny42671 says: Oct 4, 2012 5:40 PM

    NFL needs to give that game back to the Packers and the loss to San Fran and the Giants loss last year. They really didn’t lose those games. Just ask them or any of their fans

  63. nab0404 says: Oct 4, 2012 6:58 PM

    What is Cutler’s obsession with getting water? Is he Bobby Bouche’?

    From now on I guess every time Cutler is questioned about something his excuse or solution will be about getting water for himself or others.

  64. rayguyreturns says: Oct 4, 2012 7:03 PM

    We’re still waiting for Walt Coleman to recant.
    (Crickets)

  65. mojosmagic says: Oct 4, 2012 8:19 PM

    So he finally got it right and it only took 2 weeks.

  66. jason9696 says: Oct 4, 2012 8:39 PM

    Classy move by Mike McCarthy. I bet Pete Carroll didn’t even think to call him.

  67. koenig61 says: Oct 4, 2012 9:17 PM

    This guy has been ridiculed non stop since the play happened. hes been brow beaten by every two bit hack with a column or a microphone, I’m surprised he also hasn’t confessed to the Lindbergh baby kidnapping or being the man on the grassy knoll. And let’s not forget. Full time official in the booth didnt overturn it. Sometimes it’s best to just understand some things are out of our “control”

  68. offthelows says: Oct 4, 2012 10:12 PM

    Well, his admission after a string of death threats and the weight of the sports and non sports media world coming down on him makes an admission the equivalent of making a hostage video. I still don’t believe this site has shown/linked to any of the back of the end zone video or photographic evidence of the play that later emerged, which you’d think would be provided for full disclosure.

  69. larryboodry says: Oct 4, 2012 11:52 PM

    Kudos to Mike McCarthy…Very classy move on his part.

  70. larryboodry says: Oct 5, 2012 12:02 PM

    thetokyosandblaster says:
    Oct 4, 2012 12:20 PM

    “Lost amongst all this puny Viking fan hatred and packer fan awesomeness is the bit about Cutler being Cutler, one of the most deplorable people in the league. What a little girl.”

    Right, because guys like Sam Hurd, Plaxico Burress, Michael Vick, and Big Ben are such classy role models.

    Cutler visits sick kids in the hospital and doesn’t bother advertising it to the world, and he refuses to kiss the royal behinds of the media…What a HORRIBLE guy!

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