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Jets’ flirtation with Schaub may not have changed much

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As the Texans prepare to visit the Jets on ESPN’s Monday Night Football, the ESPN hype machine has gone into hyperdrive.

And with the Tim Tebow teat milked drier than a Bible belt ‘burgh at noon on Sunday, Bristol needed to go in a different direction.

Enter ESPN analyst and former Jets coach Eric Mangini, who tells ESPN Jets reporter Rich Cimini that the Jets tried to trade for Matt Schaub in 2006, Mangini’s first year with the organization.

We tried like hell to get him,” Mangini told Cimini.

The Jets offered defensive end John Abraham, and the Falcons instead opted to part with a low first-round pick to get the pass rusher.  (The Falcons eventually traded Schaub to the Texans in 2006, just weeks before a dogfighting operation was discovered on Mike Vick’s rural property in Virginia.)

So what if the Jets had pried Schaub away from Atlanta?  Cimini suggests that the Jets wouldn’t have pursued Brett Favre in 2008, and that the Jets in turn wouldn’t have had to draft Mark Sanchez in 2009, or then to trade for Tim Tebow in 2012.

This presumes that Schaub would have been deemed to be good enough to prompt the Jets to believe that tickets and PSLs could be sold without making a play for Favre when he became available in 2008.  Given Schaub’s performance once he became a starter in Houston, that’s a bit of a stretch.

It’s more likely that the Jets would have still become infatuated with the possibility of landing Favre in 2008, prompting them to dump Schaub overboard the same way they gave up on Chad Pennington.  So while it’s mildly intriguing that the Jets wanted Schaub, it hardly would have triggered a dramatic reshuffling of the deck, with Favre going to team like Tampa in 2008 and someone else drafting Mark Sanchez in 2009.

So, in other words, the boys in Bristol should stick with Tebow.

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27 Responses to “Jets’ flirtation with Schaub may not have changed much”
  1. flabberghoster says: Oct 6, 2012 10:58 PM

    Schaub looks darn good to me. I don’t see how it wouldn’t have mattered.

  2. timb12 says: Oct 6, 2012 11:13 PM

    Would the Jets offense be running on mostly check downs? I live in Houston and I’m not a Schaub guy. I think his numbers are misleading. He’s a very solid qb, but he’s got a pretty good supporting cast. Yates looked pretty good last year everything considered, I think it’s probably 70% system 30% Schaub.

  3. tfbuckfutter says: Oct 6, 2012 11:17 PM

    Schaub has posted QB ratings of 90+ every year since becoming a started aside from his first (87). Granted he has been a bit fragile, but he is easily one of the most underrated QBs in the NFL and has been for awhile.

    And you forgot the most important part in that analysis…..we never would have had to see Brett Favre’s dingaling.

  4. flsnupe says: Oct 6, 2012 11:21 PM

    I think he is saying that the Jets cared more about being the lead story on the back page of the New York Post than they do building a football team to win. I would say I have to agree with that sentiment.

  5. kylecleric says: Oct 6, 2012 11:39 PM

    If they had Schaub, they’d have treated him like they did Sanchez, and then unlike Sanchez, Schaub would have actually succeeded since he’s actually a good QB.

  6. gettingpwned says: Oct 7, 2012 12:02 AM

    Schaub had 1 really good statistical year a few years back. He also gets hurt a lot. Has one of the better WRs in the league. An awesome running game and a great defense. And the Jets have….
    It’s all about how the organization is run. And that’s the difference between the Jets and the good teams. Not what QB they have.

  7. danieladubay says: Oct 7, 2012 12:14 AM

    Schaub is the new king underrated. People forgot how good he is after what Yates did.

  8. dgcaz says: Oct 7, 2012 12:16 AM

    It wouldn’t have mattered because he would have been joining the Jets… That whole organization is a mess; If you put Sanchez on a team with good coaches, who can put a game plan together that maximizes his strengths, he would be a top 10 qb…. Look at how much Smith improved in SF when the got a good coach.

    Rex is funny, and a good D coordinator; he sucks as a head coach…

  9. mikevicksdoggydaycare says: Oct 7, 2012 12:19 AM

    Not having andre johnson makes his job harder especially since the jets never really had a great offense in over a decade

  10. changsteinelgamal says: Oct 7, 2012 12:55 AM

    He looks good now, but at the time it was not so clear, plus the injuries.
    I tend to agree with Florio on this one.

  11. ishudbgm says: Oct 7, 2012 12:55 AM

    Schaub has a top 5 RB as well as a top 5 WR. Doesnt hurt having a top 5 D either. Schaub has never been a top tier QB and NEVER will be. He can take you to the play-offs and maybe the SB but you will never in your life mention his name and “elite” in the same paragraph. He struggles to stay healthy most of the time.

  12. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 7, 2012 12:58 AM

    With the defensive-driven Texans now relevant in Super Bowl discussions, quarterback-obsessed ESPN is in “hyperdrive” to promote Schaub as the reason for the Texans’ success … because a team can’t possibly win or challenge for a Super Bowl with, you know, an ESPN-approved “elite” quarterback…
    ESPN has been shoving its quarterback propaganda down America’s throat for over 30 years now.

  13. dg0122 says: Oct 7, 2012 1:52 AM

    and if my aunt had…

  14. briscocountyjr says: Oct 7, 2012 1:53 AM

    In summary, the Jets wouldn’t be diagnosed with Sanchize and Tebowmania if their negotiation team had their game-face on in 2006 A.D.

  15. discosucs2005 says: Oct 7, 2012 4:23 AM

    Schaub didn’t always look this good, and there was a time when Pennington didn’t look too bad, so it’s pretty believable that they would have still gone with Favre.

  16. cool10857 says: Oct 7, 2012 5:21 AM

    Bench Sanchez now.

  17. randomguy9999 says: Oct 7, 2012 6:34 AM

    “the boys in Bristol should stick with Tebow.”

    —————————————————

    only if they are looking to get outscored…. a lot…..

  18. sclazo says: Oct 7, 2012 6:50 AM

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  19. joeypickles says: Oct 7, 2012 8:00 AM

    Mike, for the layman reader this probably makes sense. To a jets fan it is rediculous to draw a line between pennington and schaub in 2008. Chad was a year on year off player his whole career, and schaub was still young enough to entice, injured or not.

    Basically, do us all a favor and right about something relevant. Not some hypothetical from 7, 5, or 4 years ago. In NFL terms, that’s all ancient history…

  20. baloneyjohn says: Oct 7, 2012 8:04 AM

    Originality and ESPN are an oxymoron. Their show and their articles are primarily shills for their telecasts.
    I wish there had better competition.

  21. CKL says: Oct 7, 2012 8:13 AM

    bobzilla1001 says:
    Oct 7, 2012 12:58 AM
    With the defensive-driven Texans now relevant in Super Bowl discussions, quarterback-obsessed ESPN is in “hyperdrive” to promote Schaub as the reason for the Texans’ success … because a team can’t possibly win or challenge for a Super Bowl with, you know, an ESPN-approved “elite” quarterback…
    ESPN has been shoving its quarterback propaganda down America’s throat for over 30 years now.
    ________________________________
    The QB centric-ness does get irritating doesn’t it? The best part is when they talk about having to have an elite QB to win a SB but they forget that a fair amount of the “elite” guys weren’t considered elite even by them (and rightfully so as none of them WERE elite then even if you think they all are now)when they won their first SBs: TB in 01? Not elite. Eli in 07? Not elite. BR in 05? Not elite.

  22. hehateme2 says: Oct 7, 2012 8:25 AM

    “If you put Sanchez on a team with good coaches, who can put a game plan together that maximizes his strengths (picks, fumbles, no leadership skills, that deer-in-the-headlights look, scared to take a hit, etc.), he would be a top 10 qb”????????????????????

    I have to stop you there. Your comment is a s t r e t c h. Sancheeze will never be a top 10 QB. Male model maybe, but a good QB…. not likely.

  23. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 7, 2012 9:13 AM

    CKL:
    There’s a long laundry list of teams that’s won Super Bowls without so-called “elite” quarterbacks.
    The ’05 and ’08 Steelers with Roethlisberger are still near the top of my personal list. One TD pass in two Super Bowl wins is astounding.
    ESPN has gone to great lengths over time to create the illusion that QBs somehow have the equal importance of MLB’s power-pitchers, even giving them won/loss records. That’s absurd.
    Vince Young: 31-19.
    Really?
    And Mark Sanchez: Could Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning excel in that Jets Mess? I think not.
    Football is the ultimate team sport. Which explains the reason teams that don’t have an ESPN-approved superstar QB (Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett, Brad Johnson, Joe Thiesman) are more likely to win more championships than, say, Dan Marino or Fran Tarkenton.
    ESPN-hyped QBs, however, do keep the casual fans interested, don’t they?

  24. soia311 says: Oct 7, 2012 10:38 AM

    If the Jets landed Schaub in ’06, guys like Favre, Sanchez, Tebow, and Rex would have been playing and coaching elsewhere. Mangini wouldn’t be sitting behind a desk at ESPN. The Jets woulda used the Sanchez pick on Michael Crabtree.

    A lot would have been different. To suggest the Jets would have still jumped head first into the Favre pool is just silly.

  25. CKL says: Oct 7, 2012 10:43 AM

    Bobzilla,

    I blame fantasy football for part of it. FF is the devil. :D It’s so stats driven that TV has to gear more towards those people to keep their audience interested.

    I am with you: there is very little I despise more football talking heads wise than giving a QB a W-L record. It’s preposterous. ONLY teams and HCs have W-L records. Period.

  26. bobzilla1001 says: Oct 7, 2012 12:08 PM

    CKL:
    I often wish the NFL was more obscure — kind of like the NHL — so that the fantasy geeks, gamblers and casuals would leave the sport to those of us who actually appreciate the beauty of a TEAM functioning as a TEAM.

  27. CKL says: Oct 7, 2012 1:18 PM

    Bobzilla,
    I hear you, but I admit I do love all the coverage the sport gets. I just filter out all the FF stuff. Thanks goodness for DVRs!

    “Back in the day” of network tv only and no internet, we were lucky to get much info about our favorite players and teams. I’ll take the good with the bad, and emphasize the good. I’m just glad fans like you are still out there. :)

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