Vick has no explanation for rash of fumbles

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The good news for Eagles quarterback Mike Vick is that he had no further interceptions on Sunday at Pittsburgh.

The bad news for Eagles quarterback Mike Vick is that he lost two more fumbles.

The turnovers pushed his total through five games to 11, which means that he surrenders the ball on average 2.2 times per game.

“I wish I could tell you, but I don’t have any explanation,” Vick said after the 16-14 loss regarding his ongoing problems with ball security, according to Geoff Mosher of CSNPhilly.com.

One fumble came near the Pittsburgh end zone, wiping out seven or three points.  In a game ultimately decided by two points, that was potentially significant.

“I wish I could take back the fumble the goal line, but I can’t,” Vick said.  “Ultimately, we put ourselves in a position to win this game, but we didn’t win.  That’s how it goes in the NFL.  You wish you could have some things back and there are plenty of things I wish I could have back through the course of the season, but you can’t get them.”

And while it would be understandable for some Philly defensive players to be getting upset with Vick’s repeated miscues, Vick was indirectly called out by running back LeSean McCoy.

“That’s always frustrating,” McCoy said, who rushed for only 53 yards in his return to Heinz Field, where he played college football.  “That contributed to the loss.  You need to at least score three.  If we get seven, it’s a different ball game.  We have to stop it.”

The Eagles have been saying “we have to stop it” for most of five weeks now.  Sooner or later, perhaps they’ll realize that they it’s not going to stop, and that they simply have to work around it.

53 responses to “Vick has no explanation for rash of fumbles

  1. You’ve never cared about taking care of the football, mofo.

    Maybe that’s the problem. SMH.

  2. 11 Turnovers by yourself? And he is a guy that was miffed when he wasn’t higher on the Top 100 list for NFL players, and thinks his team is in the making of a Dynasty.
    I am not an Eagle Hater, I am actually an Eagle fan. But when you run the type of pass intensive game plan that Reid has put in, you can’t pull it off with some one that is inconsistent (really great sometimes, and not so more often). Reid needs a Brady/Brees/Rodgers/Manning(s) type QB, and they don’t just float around.

  3. While Vick does get deserve a lot of blame, the coaching staff should be held accountable for not giving McCoy the ball at the goal line. Defenses know that Vick is fumble-prone. Give the rock to someone else.

  4. How about mentioning that two of those fumbles were forced by the defense, Vick didn’t just drop the ball. I think Vick temporarily loses consciousness on initial impact, what else could explain it ?

  5. I just don’t understand how you can have a top 5 runningback and STILL find it necessary to have your fumbling prone quarterback run the ball. Just feed Shady the ball 20+ times a game and then have Vick use play action to find his deep play wide outs down the field.

  6. Take the ball out of his hands, why have him try to score on that play when he doesn’t deserve to, he fumbles all the time. He should have to earn the trust of the coaching staff back.

  7. Philly fans hated Donovan McNabb long before he hit the age of 32. Did McNabb ever learn to stop throwing the ball in the dirt? Hell no. Vick is 32. You hear suggestions about how Vick needs to “learn how to secure the ball.” He’s been in the league for ten years. He never learned what he needed to learn about protecting the ball when he was young and those habits are not going to go away now. He doesn’t even know how to slide. Think about that.

    Anyway, you either take the good with the bad with Vick or you get rid of him, but the guy ain’t gonna suddenly unlearn all of his bad habits. It’s just a part of who he is as a quarterback.

    The lesson? Protect him as well as possible and hope to God he doesn’t screw up too much.

  8. no matter , if he hangs onto it and tries to pass , he’ll throw to the other team anyway. enjoy your next few games , vicky, as they will be your last as a starter. you and reid will both be gassed, but some other team will be dumb enough to pay you to be a back-up.

  9. the blame here is 50/50

    you have a QB that keeps committing crucial mistakes, & a HC that keeps putting that qb is bad situations.

    when Vick scrambles, he forgets that these DL can hustle and make 2nd effort plays. Once he moves past that first wave, he relaxes like the play is over,/ holds that ball like a loaf of bread.

    Vicks awareness accuracy and decision making have all be well below average this season. Andy keeps putting the ball in his hands 60 +% of the time.

    Thats a perfect recipe for failure.
    It’s (been) time to re-evaluate the gameplan sirs..

  10. It’s funny how we talk about Vick but don’t talk about Phillys defense giving up a late drive to Pitt in which the running back had a long run. To set up the game winning field goal but hey if the defense fails I guess that’s vicks fault to just sad.

  11. Anybody think it’s possible that keflar vest he’s wearing this year is keeping him from holding the ball tight to his body, on designed running plays like the goal line run. I know the open field plays are him being careless trying to make a play but that shouldn’t come into play when he knows he has to run.

  12. very, very disappointing loss and one they should have won. however if they can beat detroit at home next week they will enter the bye week at 4-2. They usually play much better in nov/dec. than sept/0ct.

    of course they will probably lose in the playoffs but that’s another matter.

  13. footballgenius55 says: Oct 8, 2012 9:08 AM

    It’s funny how we talk about Vick but don’t talk about Phillys defense giving up a late drive to Pitt in which the running back had a long run. To set up the game winning field goal but hey if the defense fails I guess that’s vicks fault to just sad.
    —————-
    The defense gave up only 16 points.. That is a great performance, especially on the road and especially since the QB gave them a couple extra possessions by way of turnovers.

  14. The best coaching treatment I’ve ever heard of for this problem is how Coach Joe Gibbs handled it back in the early ’90s when Mark Rypien went through a string of games fumbling the ball. Gibbs created a cure which took just one week of daily sessions. He’d have Rypien take snaps from center and then get hit immediately from his blind side by an unblocked defender each time. He’d do this over and over each session.

  15. Vick’s been better about throwing picks lately, now the fumbles need to stop. The eagles are lucky to have a winning record at this point, but if they get their turnover problem fixed they will be ok.

  16. Mike Vick:

    2004: 16 fumbles
    2005: 11 fumbles
    2006: 9 fumbles
    2010: 11 fumbles
    2011: 10 fumbles
    2012: 8 fumbles already

    This is just fumbles, not counting his INTS.

    He has no idea whats happening? Did he have a clue in 2006? This guy is & has always been a coach killer & a turnover machine.

    He has never had back to back winning seasons, he’s a career 2-3 in the playoffs. Does anyone remember his INT against GB in his only playoff appearance since signing here? We will never win a damn thing with this guy at QB!

    He is without a doubt the most overrated player in NFL history.

  17. “I wish I could tell you, but I don’t have any explanation,” Vick said…

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    Actually, the explanation is quite easy. A player at that level in ANY sport, played at that kind of speed, can’t reasonably concentrate on more than one thing. They can’t truly focus on just one key component of what they’re doing. Vick’s focus is on making the big play, the game-changer play to most benefit his team. His focus is clearly NOT on protecting the football. He relies on instinct and his pure athletic talent to do that. Most of the time, that’s good enough. Unfortunately, once or twice a game, it’s not good enough. It’s a matter of “mental priority”. Why do you think the fullback, on the rare occasion when he actually does get the ball, rarely fumbles? They know that for that one play, their #1 objective is to hang onto the ball. In Vick’s case, his #1 priority on every play is to maximize the yardage gained.

    I’m not a Vick (or Eagles) fan. I’ve been involved in athletics at a very high level. I just know the mental side of sports, that’s all.

  18. rugbyisbetter says:
    Oct 8, 2012 8:17 AM

    11 Turnovers by yourself? And he is a guy that was miffed when he wasn’t higher on the Top 100 list for NFL players, and thinks his team is in the making of a Dynasty.

    I am not an Eagle Hater, I am actually an Eagle fan. But when you run the type of pass intensive game plan that Reid has put in, you can’t pull it off with some one that is inconsistent (really great sometimes, and not so more often). Reid needs a Brady/Brees/Rodgers/Manning(s) type QB, and they don’t just float around.

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    Enuff said!!! Wow, it wasn’t too long ago that he, himself, was talking (in spite of the fumbles) that he and his teammates were having fun and enjoying winning games (albeit just two at the time). The thing is, Mr. Vick, sooner or later (sooner as the games have shown), teams are really going to figure you out and, specifically, figure out how to maximize taking full advantage of your fumbles.

    I dunno, I am not an Eagle fan, but I sure would be frustrated and downright angry to be following a team that doesn’t seem to be seeing the same picture I am seeing as a fan. He keeps this fumblefest all season long and it will, undoubtedly, be another losing year for Philly.

  19. Why doesn’t Andy Reid understand that Lesean McCoy is the best player on this team? Why is he not the focal point of this offense? This team is not built for the pass like Reid thinks. The o-line can’t pass protect. Shady can make guys miss though so why the hell isn’t he getting the ball more than 16 times? The eagles have either a one lose record or undefeated when McCoy touches the ball 20+ times. Why is the ball in the hands more of a guy that turns the ball over 2.2 times a game?Looks like the stubbornness of Andy Reid is showing its ugly head again. Keep trusting Vick and he’ll keep disappointing. This will most likely be be Vicks last year as an eagle, thank god. This is what Reid and morhenwig turned him into.

  20. I have a few explanations for ya Mike. You are to stupid to read a defense, you a careless with the ball and your athletic ability can only take you so far.

    Period!!!

  21. Stop blaming Vicks turnovers on Marty & Andy! He was a turnover machine looong before getting here. He did the same kinda thing in Atlanta.

    Maybe THIS is the problem:

    Mike Vick is not a west coast system QB! Successful west coast QB’s can read defenses, do not turn the ball over & make the right decision with the ball. None of the things Vick is famous for. West coast offenses do not run more than throw guys, they use the pass to set up the run! With Mike Vick at QB, that’s not a possibility. Mora ran the same offense in Atlanta & he failed miserably there as well.

    That’s where Andy has failed, not what he “turned” Mike Vick into. Where the failure exists is that he needs to be in a conventional offense, run first & max protection. Not a west coast offense.

  22. What bothers me even more than the ridiculous fumbles, is Vick’s response to the problem. He acts like its no big deal, and that there’s nothing he can do about it. Andy Reid shares just as much blame as butter-finger Vick. Reid should be feeding the ball to McCoy. Period. Everyone saw what the Eagles were able to do vs the Giants. McCoy ran wild in the 2nd half. So why in the hell isn’t McCoy getting the ball? Either Reid is an idiot, or too stubborn for his own good.

  23. For some reason Vic reminds you of another QB in Phily that had a lot of hype and no championships.

  24. Qb draw on 1st and goal from the 3… fumble injury prone qb… top tier hb…. this makes andy an idiot… later in the game in the redzone… check down to shady… see what happens when u give the ball to him… learn to coach

  25. ” bleedeaglegreen says:
    Oct 8, 2012 9:48 AM
    Mike Vick:

    2004: 16 fumbles
    2005: 11 fumbles
    2006: 9 fumbles
    2010: 11 fumbles
    2011: 10 fumbles
    2012: 8 fumbles already”

    There is a big gap in your stats during the years 2007-2009, when he was constantly fumbling the SOAP, and being hit from behind, coughing up the balls, etc. But in his defense, he also ‘took one for the team’ many times as well.

  26. You guys calling for Shady to run the ball 20-25 times a game obviously don’t wanna see him succeed over the long haul. RBs that have 400 touches in a season don’t last long. Sure the easy thing is to say give the ball to Shady 25 times a game. But that’s not in his or the team’s best interest. Get a clue….

  27. Sorry haters, but this team is still pretty good with a truly unreal amount of turnovers that won’t continue forever, be it Vick plays better or he gets hurt and we go to a rookie qb gameplan (which we should be running with Vick anyway… run to set up pass… what a concept…)

    They lost a non-conference game in one of the more hostil environments in the league on a last play FG after drining to take the lead in the 4th, again. Even with a loss NEXT week, they’d still be 3-3 going into the bye and pretty healthy… but the falcons and saints are after that, so let’s not lose next week, shall we?

  28. I wouldn’t call on Shady to run too much more. Just 100% of the time on 1st and goal inside the 5.

  29. He needs to grip the ball with the same strength and fortitude as he did when he had his hands wrapped around the neck of the losing canine.

  30. Yes I am a Giants fan and no I do not like the egals but
    Here is what I do not understand
    You play the giants you do not fumble or throw an Int and shady is plays alot.

    Everyone else its fumbles ints and no shady?

    If it worked to sneak a win againest the World Champs why not use it againest another really good team?

    And I am looking forward the week 17 game

  31. This team has been overrated for at least the past 5 years. Just like Dallas, always billed to be a playoff team pre season. Both dissapoint. Let’s be real, Eagles are lucky to have their current record, a play or 2 away from being 0-5…

  32. Ill hand it to Vick he stoodup there and answered all their questions but give it to McCoy when your on the 1 yard line and its time to throttle Vicvk back now the magics long gone.

  33. Less Vick and More McCoy is what works in Philly, and the “genius” is going to coach the team into an early offseason because he wants to get cute and cut McCoy’s workload.

  34. Mike Vick did throw a pass on 3rd down for two yards and Shady couldn’t get in with 2 tries which resulted in a FG last week. leads to thinking about a QB running the ball who obviously can’t protect it vs. throwing. I’m concerned that AR is concerned about Vick fumbling the handoff to McCoy or throwing another redzone pick. WoW.. that’s some QB there. And then again he can at least bury his own D.

  35. If Vick cared enough he would rarely fumble. He never tucks the ball away. It took him years in Philly to finally stop carrying it in one hand down by his hip. If he is gonna act like a RB he needs to be trained by a RB coach.

    Hopefully he will realize after single handedly blowing the Steelers game that the problem is him and he needs to start caring.

  36. Really think its the fault of the play caller Marty M. Come on buddy run that f’ing rock. Is it not common sense in this league that you have to establish the run before you can throw the ball. Why do the Eagles continue to put the game in the hands of the QB when they arguably have one of the best running backs in the league??? O-line seems to do good job run blocking but cant pass block so come on dummy. Maybe its time to get a new coaching staff? Lets start talking to Cower!!!

    On the other hand Vicky is a moron. He is an incredible athlete but has the intelligence of a 10 year old. Why cant this guy slide for? Why cant he tuck the ball and use two hands to secure it? Why does he extend every play when he should take 5 steps back and release the ball in a few seconds if no one is open throw it away!!! You are made of glass, dont get hit on every play!!!

  37. The Eagles will not do anything until Reid is gone. This has been long speculated, and finally confirmed this season. If I were Jeff Lurie, I would be working on a quality available coach as I write this, such as Dungy, Cowher, Gruden or Billick. As soon as I had a commitment, say noon today, Andy and his top lieutenants: Morningwheg and Castillo would be gone.

    The 3-2 record is not a reflection of Reid’s performance. We should have lost the Ravens and Giants games. I’ll never forget that smug look on Reid’s face when he called that timeout to ice Tynes.

    There is so much talent on this team and it is being wasted. There is more talent here than on the 49ers roster, and the 49ers have won their last 2 games by a combined score of 77-3. I mean no disrespect to the 49ers, it is just how I feel.

    Vick is responsible for his fumbles. He has never been good at holding on to the ball. And yet, he keeps being put in risky situations where losing the ball is a higher probability.

    Nothing aggravates me more than Reid saying “I have to put my players in better positions to win games.” That is like nails on a chalkboard. He continues to do exactly the opposite.

    And finally, even though Brian Dawkins retired as an Eagle, I will never get past that disaster. Ray Lewis is not a Cowboy because of that and the Eagles have not won a playoff game since. Reid could have had Dawkins back last year with D.J. Williams for a 2nd round pick. Andy wouldn’t go past a 3rd. With his draft skills, Reid should have made that deal. Maybe Dawkins doesn’t suffer that neck injury, and maybe he is around this year as well.

    When Lurie finally dumps Reid, I won’t feel an ounce of sympathy. It’s not like he wasn’t warned. Reid just arrogantly continues to operate in a vacuum.

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