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Jared Allen says his knee is as valuable as Tom Brady’s

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Defensive players are beginning to revolt against the NFL’s protection of the knees of quarterbacks, at the expense of the knees of other players.

Vikings defensive end Jared Allen thinks it shouldn’t be that way.  And he made his point in reference to the block from Jets guard Matt Slauson that took out the knee of Texans linebacker Brian Cushing.

“In a league that talks about taking care of  defenseless players – players in defenseless positions — that is a situation [where there is] nothing he can do to defend himself,” Allen told NFL Network on Friday.  “There is no place [for] that.  If you take a guy’s knee, he may never be the same player after that.  If we are going to talk about player safety, it needs to be equality [for] all players. My knee is just as valuable as Tom Brady’s in my eyes.  There are hits on the [defensive players] that could be illegal and probably save some defensive players.”

We agree, completely.  And we believe the NFL applied the “peel back” block rule in order to send a message that defensive players will be protected, even if the hit on Slauson seemed to fit within the exception to the “peel back” block prohibition, since Slauson’s near shoulder hits the front, not the side, of Cushing’s leg.

We also believe the NFL will consider changing the rules to apply a quarterback-style strike zone to other players.  But if the NFL does that, we don’t want to hear any player complaints that the Commissioner is trying to fundamentally change the game of football into something other than football.

Of course, if defensive players finally got some real protections, maybe they’d quit griping generally about the current rules of the game.

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62 Responses to “Jared Allen says his knee is as valuable as Tom Brady’s”
  1. braddavery says: Oct 12, 2012 2:26 PM

    “Personal boundary” rules should be the same for EVERY player on the field.

  2. Neftali Ramos says: Oct 12, 2012 2:29 PM

    I completely agree with Jared Allen on this.

  3. mybrunoblog says: Oct 12, 2012 2:30 PM

    Well now that he mentions it, in my mind my knee is as important as Tom Brady’s or Peyton Mannings or Jim Browns for that matter.
    Someone tell Jared Allen that the league can’t legislate the contact out of the game. Then we’ll call it flag football.

  4. caseyanthonymunoz says: Oct 12, 2012 2:31 PM

    The difference is you’re not holding a ball and totally defenseless like QBs, Punters, and Kickers. Why is it so hard to understand? When Brady or other QBs tuck the ball they become the same as other players.

    Oh, and btw, it shouldn’t matter but you’re not as valuable.

  5. dg0122 says: Oct 12, 2012 2:31 PM

    what about Matt Schaub’s knee, Jared?

  6. gochargersgo says: Oct 12, 2012 2:33 PM

    Im glad you pointed out how fans like to hang out on both sides of the fence on this issue. I, for one, was thrilled that the NFL bent the rules to fine a player for a hit that was unnecessary.

  7. pleasantsurpriselefty says: Oct 12, 2012 2:33 PM

    Allen is right. Blocking a guy from behind at knee level is wrong. Some players are never the same after the surgery. Outlaw those hits and the game will be better.

  8. mhalt99 says: Oct 12, 2012 2:34 PM

    A special teams kickoff coverage guy’s knee is as important as Tom Brady’s. All players should enjoy equal protection PERIOD.

    How about no more blocking below the waist, no more cut or chop blocks whether or not the player is engaged. Oops…sorry Jaquizz might not be able to stop a blitzing linebacker….keep evolving the offense and bring back a fullback if you need more protection. And yes, more balls will be knocked down at the line of scrimmage. If you want to see 10-12 TD’s per game you are free to watch arena or baylor west virginia whenever you want.

  9. pastabelly says: Oct 12, 2012 2:34 PM

    Jared, don’t compare yourself to Tom Brady. He and other great quarterbacks are meal tickets for the league. There is a special interest in protecting quarterbacks. Maybe you should get more protection. Of course, on the other hand, you would have people like James Harrison complaining about any rule that protects the safety of any player.

  10. zn0rseman says: Oct 12, 2012 2:36 PM

    The game at the NFL level favors offense in a big way. Though the NFL has rules around making it a level playing field, they are selectively enforced.

    For example, pushing off by a WR is rarely called. Receivers can usually push off with wreckless abandon. Sometimes a receiver will push off, drop the pass, and then get an illegal contact penalty. It’s a joke. Likewise hits on defensive players are lauded, while hits by defenisve players are heavily scrutinized. I remember just a few years back Jared Allen, suffered a dislocated shoulder and was wearing a brace. He got blocked to the ground by a Texans player but somehow managed to get a piece of Matt Schaub, which unfortunately caused an injury. He was demonized but he was blocked to the ground and made the tackle… With. A. Dislocated. Shoulder. Meanwhile he gets regular shots to his knees by RB’s and offensive linemen every week, often while facing double teams and nobody cares. It’s like that all around the league. As a defensive player, they should get the same protections AND latitude that offensive players get.

  11. alltee says: Oct 12, 2012 2:37 PM

    this is a rediculous argument, qb’s are asked to do a job that often allows them not to see what is coming at them, defensive players more often have a better view and more control of thier surroundings.

    there are exceptions to every situation but by and large no players get blindsided as often as qb’s

    and sadly qb’s are more important then jarred allen, more season have been lost by a qb going down then a team losing one lineman

  12. mjacobs45 says: Oct 12, 2012 2:38 PM

    No one pays to see Jared Allen ( and his stupid mullet) play….we pay to see Tom Brady. Thus, making his knee much more valuable.

  13. canadianvikingfaniii says: Oct 12, 2012 2:39 PM

    I agree with Jared Allen, but I think he forgot he took out Shaub with an illegal hit.

  14. thegreatgabbert says: Oct 12, 2012 2:39 PM

    Jared’s knee is as valuable as Tom Brady’s. However, the ten cent brain brings the price of the overall package down considerably, accounting for the vast disparity in their respective net worth.

  15. baloneyjohn says: Oct 12, 2012 2:39 PM

    Knees are vulnerable, even more so on the field.
    While watching the replays, games on TV, when you see a hit on the knee, regardless of the position, that guy will likely be wheeled off the field.
    I don’t blame ANYONE griping about hits on the knees

  16. rabidbillsfan says: Oct 12, 2012 2:44 PM

    Allens right, but they need to ammend the rules to include “Malicious intent.” I know I may sound like a Bills homer, and I am, but hits like Kyle Willims on Brady should not draw fouls, or if they do, they should be 5 yarders. Theres driving through the legs, and hitting the legs. Kicker and punters have running into, and roughing, QB’s should be treated the same way. I’m okay with the rules on contacting the head, but it is Football after all, and hits below the waist will happen from time to time. @ Caseyanthoney. I’d say defensive players are just as valuable, ecspecially DE’s. It is the Giants front 4 that won the past 2 Superbowls for the Giants after all. Also, can you describe a defensless player? Is it a player with no means to protect himself because they are in the porcess of completing an action that pulls them away from their surroundings? QB’s throwing passes are just as defenseless as gunners covering kicks. Jared Allen’s right, and I wouldn’t mind seeing some tweaks to the rules.

  17. seahawks4alltime says: Oct 12, 2012 2:47 PM

    caseyanthonymunoz,

    “Oh, and btw, it shouldn’t matter but you’re not as valuable.”

    Jared Allen may not get the paycheck that Tom Brady does but they are both human beings and as such one is NOT more valuable than the other.

  18. normswifevera says: Oct 12, 2012 2:48 PM

    “He whose contract is worth more has knee that is worth more.”

    Got it in a fortune cookie once.

  19. purpleguy says: Oct 12, 2012 2:51 PM

    Hey mjacobs, plenty of people pay to see defensive players as opposed to pretty boy babies like Tom Brady. What’s good for the offensive goose, is good for the defensive gander.

  20. judsonjr says: Oct 12, 2012 2:57 PM

    Now the real question is who’s liver is more valuable?

  21. rc33 says: Oct 12, 2012 2:58 PM

    Dear Jared,
    You meant to say as valuable as Brady Quinn’s knee, right?
    Sincerely,
    The Commish.

  22. jpb12 says: Oct 12, 2012 2:58 PM

    Yeh… Just to be clear… You can’t hit a guy high. You can’t hit a guy low. And now you can’t hit a defensive player high or low.

    Flag football.

  23. jimyritz says: Oct 12, 2012 2:59 PM

    Jared Allen has almost $30 million coming to him this year and next year…It’s not as if he isn’t getting paid…Allen’s pretty valuable….The league should protect all players…

  24. 8to80texansblog says: Oct 12, 2012 2:59 PM

    How many knees and ankles has this guy ruined over the years. Jared Allen is the king of hitting your QB low.

    I agree with what he said, but to hear it from him is almost hypocritical.

  25. icecubeusedtobeangry says: Oct 12, 2012 3:02 PM

    mjacobs45 says:Oct 12, 2012 2:38 PM

    No one pays to see Jared Allen ( and his stupid mullet) play….we pay to see Tom Brady. Thus, making his knee much more valuable.
    ———————————————
    He hasn’t had a mullet in years chief.

  26. kurly00 says: Oct 12, 2012 3:04 PM

    Jared Allen is right about all knees being created equal. Just ask Matt Schaub about how much Jared Allen cares about knees.

  27. thetokyosandblaster says: Oct 12, 2012 3:05 PM

    Wow.

    Hey cheap hitter, are you just trying to remind everyone that you didn’t retire by spitting this inane babble?

    1) qbs are more important than defensive linemen.

    2) this particular Qb has been an MVP and won Super Bowls

    3) you play for the VIKINGS

    4) Tom Brady still contributes to the success of his team.

    End summation.

  28. contra74 says: Oct 12, 2012 3:08 PM

    8to80texansblog says:Oct 12, 2012 2:59 PM

    How many knees and ankles has this guy ruined over the years. Jared Allen is the king of hitting your QB low.

    I agree with what he said, but to hear it from him is almost hypocritical.
    ——-
    There is a difference between hitting a player in the knee/ankle area and wrapping up a player in the knee/ankle area. For the most part, Jared wraps them up in that area. Every now and then a D-lineman or a linebacker will stumble and HIT low but, as almost every player will agree, they are not out there to end someone elses career.

  29. donnymacjack says: Oct 12, 2012 3:11 PM

    Look no further than the Seahawks to see both sides of what happens when hitting/blocking a defensive player.

    Preseason game 3 Hawks vs Cheifs – Chiefs Eric Berry gets blindly blocked low by Leon Washington, literally flipping Berry 360 degrees in the air. No penalty, no nothing said, yet Berry could have EASILY have had a knee blown out like he did last year. In fact, surprising he didn’t.

    Regular season game 3 Hawks vs Cowboys – ‘Boys lineback Lee gets knocked silly by Hawks WR Golden Tate. The hit is quite high, with Tates helmet just barely touching Lee. Tate is fined, but had he gone low, Lee would have likely lost a knee.

    In both cases the defender was going full speed chasing down the ballcarrier. Had they not been blocked they would have made the tackle against the ball carrier.

    Both were pretty much in a “defenseless” position. So what’s the blocker to do, not block them at all? Fact is, football is a dangerous sport with risks. You cannot legislate the danger out of the game without adservsely affecting it. If you legislate all blindsided blocks then you also have to legislate defenders from chasing down ballcarriers. Who in the world would want to see that? Not me!

  30. blackqbwhiterb says: Oct 12, 2012 3:15 PM

    from the time the kids are in pop warner, they’re taught to “Put your numbers on the other guy’s numbers”, hit and wrap up and tackle. As they grow older and move up, the basic fundamentals get lost….and injuries get magnified

  31. rjkilla says: Oct 12, 2012 3:20 PM

    if they add a “strike zone” than how do you expect the 5’10 200 lbs safety to take down a guy like brandon jacobs or the gronk one on one in the open field?

  32. contra74 says: Oct 12, 2012 3:28 PM

    thetokyosandblaster says:Oct 12, 2012 3:05 PM

    Wow.

    Hey cheap hitter, are you just trying to remind everyone that you didn’t retire by spitting this inane babble?

    1) qbs are more important than defensive linemen.

    2) this particular Qb has been an MVP and won Super Bowls

    3) you play for the VIKINGS

    4) Tom Brady still contributes to the success of his team.

    End summation.
    ——
    Here comes the Packer faithful trying to ruin a positive Viking post. tokyowhateverguy, if you take anything away from this article you should take this – Jared Allen made a valid point, Green Bay Whiners just cry over anything. So yes, there is a point between making a point and being labeled as the whiniest team and fanbase in the league.

  33. whatjusthapped says: Oct 12, 2012 3:30 PM

    This is real rich coming from the guy who ended Matt Schaub’s season with a low blow.

    Somebody bust out the breathalyzer, I think Jared is back on the juice.

  34. lbpackfan says: Oct 12, 2012 3:32 PM

    The big question is, whose super bowl rings are more valuable?

    Oh wait…

  35. bluereign says: Oct 12, 2012 3:35 PM

    How about they get rid of all of those ridiculous rules and let them play the game it was designed to be played.

  36. koenig61 says: Oct 12, 2012 3:42 PM

    A lot of posters are missing the point. It’s not about which player is more valuable to a team, it’s about safety. The commissioner is up on his high horse telling everyone and anyone that the league is all about player safety. (Which we all know is total horse manure, and they are worried about future law suits)

    But if Mr. Goodell is going to tout player safety, then it needs to be player safety for all. Offensive coordinators love cut back blocking, and as such most coaches don’t want to alter the rule. That’s why the rules committee wont change the rule. Any normal logical person can watch that play and know that hitting or falling at the back of a players knees is unsafe, especially when the players involved are usually over 250 lbs.

    As one poster commented, there needs to be some judgment entered into these hits, especially as it comes to the fines, and suspensions. While it’s not always possible to determine a players intent, I’d guess that its reasonable for any logical football person to at least be 75% correct on whether helmet to helmet was incidental, or intentional. Whether touching a QB below the knee was incidental, or the defender drove through the hit.

    Oh and it shouldn’t matter if the message comes from Allen, or any other player who you personally hate. It’s the message that matters, not the person giving the message.

  37. sultan420 says: Oct 12, 2012 3:43 PM

    Well let’s go ahead and protect police officer’s from getting shot at. We can do this by not letting them enforce the law. Sounds good there.

    Ok let’s start protecting boxers from getting knocked. They’re head’s are valuable too. Not hits on the head in boxing. Cool

    Maybe firefighters can sue the city if they get burned??

    Or maybe some parents can sue McDonald’s because they spend every day shoving it down theirs kids face and now they are fat.

  38. albertmn says: Oct 12, 2012 3:46 PM

    Jared is great. I don’t think his knee is quite as important as Brady’s, though it is close. But, that doesn’t lessen the rest of his point, even if you argue that his knee is 90% as important as Brady’s, because he would be easier to replace in the lineup than a future HOF QB.

  39. essentialsausage says: Oct 12, 2012 3:51 PM

    The complaint rings hollow coming from a dirty player like Jared Allen.

  40. sultan420 says: Oct 12, 2012 3:52 PM

    Again what’s lost in all this complaining about injuries, is that it represents a cycle in football.

    For every star player that gets injured, there is someone else waiting for their opportunity to become a star. If it weren’t for injuries, someoned else may not get their shot.

    Bledsoe-Brady

    Montana-Young

    Trent Green- Kurt Warner

    Manning-Luck

    Fred Jackson-CJ Spiller

    Kolb-Vick

    etc. etc, and so on and so on

  41. contra74 says: Oct 12, 2012 3:53 PM

    lbpackfan says:
    Oct 12, 2012 3:32 PM
    The big question is, whose super bowl rings are more valuable?

    Oh wait…
    —-
    Again, another packer fan taking a positive point and turning it into something it’s not. Great, the packers have lombardis, congrats to them but not you mr pretend owner due to buying a share. Let me ask you this, how are the ghosts of lombardis past affecting that 2-3 stain you have NOW? Thought so…

  42. sultan420 says: Oct 12, 2012 3:55 PM

    I think the media won’t stop till they muddle up the game so much that it’s turned to flag football. This is obviously catering to the ego of media members so they can have the feeling (illusion is what it is really) that they can play if they wanted to. But alas, no. They can’t Not even if were flag football.

  43. thetokyosandblaster says: Oct 12, 2012 4:14 PM

    Contra can dish it out but can’t take it. Go figure.

    He must be 10 years old.

  44. lbpackfan says: Oct 12, 2012 4:24 PM

    @contra74

    I am actually laughing at this. “Taking a positive point and turning it into something it’s not…”

    Wow.

    That’s pretty funny coming from you.

  45. contra74 says: Oct 12, 2012 4:26 PM

    thetokyosandblaster says:Oct 12, 2012 4:14 PM

    Contra can dish it out but can’t take it. Go figure.

    He must be 10 years old.
    —-
    I can definitely take it. Green Bay Whiners have proven they can dish it but cant take it because when its dished back all they do is whine! Everyone knows that fanbase’ game – If your team is doing great then talk about today but if not then talk about yesterday. No one cares about yesterday, people care about today and unfortunately today is 2-3 for you. Soon to be 2-4.

  46. stellarperformance says: Oct 12, 2012 4:27 PM

    Allen has a point…to a point. He is singularly focused on getting to the ball handler, that’s it. And even though he does a good job of it, he doesn’t have to have his head on a swivel at all times like a QB, and make a play happen at the same time. A QB is finesse. A DE is a grunt. The “More Valuable Knee Award” goes to…… The QB.

  47. rooneyruleblues says: Oct 12, 2012 4:52 PM

    These new rules make you wonder how the game has worked for so long. Soon guys will wear flags. The league gets softer every day it seems.

  48. ejmat2 says: Oct 12, 2012 5:01 PM

    For those of you picking on the “my knee is as valuable…” comment, why don’t you step back and think about it? What makes Tom Brady’s knee or anyone’s knee more valuable than someone elses? Absolutely nothing. Allen and all defensive players have family’s to feed and lives to live. For those of you that think he was wrong with his statement, take a step back and think about if you would say the same thing. I would. In my eyes, my knee is just as valuable as Tom Brady’s or anyone else’s knee. Without it, I can’t do my job and provide for my family. Some of you take things to a level where it should be left alone.

  49. steeltuff says: Oct 12, 2012 5:07 PM

    In today’s NFL world, it’s hard to be a defensive player. The rules are markedly in favor of the offense, especially in the passing game. It’s about time, even in addition to the safety aspect, that the rules be modified to make it harder for a QB to get a cheap pass interference penalty on third-and-25.

  50. EJ says: Oct 12, 2012 5:32 PM

    Policing every tackle and play makes the game boring, but he is right this time. If the NFL is going to protect the Quarterback, you’ve gotta protect the guy going after him. Tom Brady = Jared Allen.

  51. emoney826 says: Oct 12, 2012 5:54 PM

    Packer fans can talk about the past because theres always going to be something positive to talk about. The vikings have nothing positive to talk about with regards to their past.

    And don’t forget how much Viking fans whined and STILL whine about the loss to the saints three years ago.

    Look, I get it. You hate the packers and all of the attention they receive. It’s like the ugly sibling being jealous of the other. The packers are more beloved than your vikings. If I were you, I would be jealous too. Fortunately I was raised to cheer for a proven winner. Not a team who ever 10 years has a great fluke season that always ends the same way every other season does in Minnesota history.

  52. vikingsgohard says: Oct 12, 2012 6:01 PM

    thetokyosandblaster | Oct 12, 2012, 12:05 PM MST
    Wow.

    Hey cheap hitter, are you just trying to remind everyone that you didn’t retire by spitting this inane babble?

    1) qbs are more important than defensive linemen.

    2) this particular Qb has been an MVP and won Super Bowls

    3) you play for the VIKINGS

    4) Tom Brady still contributes to the success of his team.

    End summation.
    —————————
    What an idiot!!
    He doesn’t throw TDs…. he gets sacks and was closer then anyone to beating the current record last year with 22 sack only 1 away he’s very good at his job an very important to the team…. this kinda crap is what makes this site not worth coming to … It’s like going to some place were there’s a bunch of idiots that know nothin about nothin!!…no morals,common sense or good will

  53. critter69 says: Oct 12, 2012 6:08 PM

    bluereign ??

    You mean play without helmets, or maybe leather helmets?

    Without face guards?

    No forward pass?

    After all, that is how it was played originally (aka ‘designed’).

    And don’t forget that some universities (Harvard , for example) originally played with a round ball, not a pointed one. Should we go back to that rule, also?

  54. gator2006 says: Oct 12, 2012 7:08 PM

    Slippery slope is actually happening. Wow.

  55. contra74 says: Oct 12, 2012 7:11 PM

    emoney826 says:Oct 12, 2012 5:54 PM

    And don’t forget how much Viking fans whined and STILL whine about the loss to the saints three years ago.
    ——
    Im over the saints call and for the most part so are Vikings fans. But I will tell you what – no Vikings fan ever created or wore a T shirt saying “Worst Call Ever” with the date on the bottom. I can only think of one whiny fanbase who did…thats right…the packers.

  56. davikes says: Oct 12, 2012 7:16 PM

    If the NFL wants to send a message, they should change the rule, not fine a guy whose hit was arguably within the rule.

  57. lambeauandlombardi says: Oct 12, 2012 10:02 PM

    contra74 says:Oct 12, 2012 3:28 PM

    Again, another packer fan taking a positive point and turning it into something it’s not. Great, the packers have lombardis, congrats to them but not you mr pretend owner due to buying a share. Let me ask you this, how are the ghosts of lombardis past affecting that 2-3 stain you have NOW? Thought so…

    ………………………………………………………………………

    Yeah, Contra, you never take the opportunity to ruin every Packer post, do you?
    And I wouldn`t be so quick to talk about the Packer`s 2-3 stain as you put it when your beloved team has a 50 year plus stain. Only a Viking fan would celebrate his team`s 4-1 start and think that the season is already over. A lot can happen in the next 11 games and more than likely it won`t all be positive for the Vikings and negative for the Packers.

  58. koenig61 says: Oct 12, 2012 10:56 PM

    @sultan420
    You state the following : Again what’s lost in all this complaining about injuries, is that it represents a cycle in football.

    For every star player that gets injured, there is someone else waiting for their opportunity to become a star. If it weren’t for injuries, someoned else may not get their shot.
    ———————————————–

    So by your logic who cares if Brady, Rodgers, Bree’s, or any other franchise QB gets injured because that just provides an opportunity for some backup to take his place.

    I’m not sure about you, but that doesn’t make much sense. I’d rather my franchise player keep playing until they no longer have the talent to play, rather than have their career cut short by injury. Franchise players don’t come along every day. Who was NE last franchise player before Brady? Bledsoe was good, but come on he’s no Tom Brady.

    I grew up watching great defenses. And I know today’s game is all about offense, but what few great defenders are left, I’d like to enjoy watching them play, even with all the rules that inhibit defense, and not see them sidelined by cheap hits.

  59. stellarperformance says: Oct 13, 2012 6:06 AM

    contra74 says: Oct 12, 2012 7:11 PM
    Im over the saints call and for the most part so are Vikings fans. But I will tell you what – no Vikings fan ever created or wore a T shirt saying “Worst Call Ever” with the date on the bottom.
    ==================================

    No, your T-shirt simply says “Maybe Next Year,” and you’ve had it your entire life.

    Whereas that call changed the game for the benefit of all teams.

    You’re welcome.

  60. foofeiter says: Oct 13, 2012 11:06 PM

    mjacobs45 | Oct 12, 2012, 1:38 PM CDT
    No one pays to see Jared Allen ( and his stupid mullet) play….we pay to see Tom Brady. Thus, making his knee much more valuable.
    ———————

    That may be the least intelligent comment I’ve heard on this board.

  61. foofeiter says: Oct 13, 2012 11:20 PM

    stellarperformance | Oct 13, 2012, 5:06 AM CDT
    contra74 says: Oct 12, 2012 7:11 PM
    Im over the saints call and for the most part so are Vikings fans. But I will tell you what – no Vikings fan ever created or wore a T shirt saying “Worst Call Ever” with the date on the bottom.
    ==================================

    No, your T-shirt simply says “Maybe Next Year,” and you’ve had it your entire life.

    Whereas that call changed the game for the benefit of all teams.

    You’re welcome.
    —————
    Changed the game for all teams? There’s the delusional statement of the year.

    What’s the matter? Still pissed that you haven’t received a dividend check from that $250 worthless piece of paper you bought?

  62. foofeiter says: Oct 13, 2012 11:48 PM

    No, your T-shirt simply says “Maybe Next Year,” and you’ve had it your entire life.

    Whereas that call changed the game for the benefit of all teams.

    You’re welcome.
    ————–
    1) I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen a t-shirt that says that.
    2) Why don’t you go buy another $250 piece of worthless paper and pretend you own a share of the team.

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