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Carson Palmer struggling on the deep ball

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Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer has done well to cut down his interceptions this season. Through four starts, Palmer has compiled five touchdowns compared to two picks and is completing 61.1 percent of his throws.

A heavy majority of Palmer’s completions are coming on checkdowns to running backs and tight ends, however, and he is struggling to get anything going deep. According to numbers compiled by Vic Tafur of the San Francisco Chronicle, Palmer is just 1-of-14 on throws of longer than 20 yards downfield this season. He failed to connect on each of his first dozen 20-plus-yard pass attempts.

Palmer’s deep-ball efficiency should pick up going forward. The Raiders opened the season trying to nurse back top deep threat Denarius Moore from a hamstring injury. Moore is 100 percent now. Fellow wideout Darrius Heyward-Bey is also returning from a scary neck/concussion injury, suffered before Oakland’s Week Five bye. Heyward-Bey is listed as probable on the Week Six injury report and fully expected to start Sunday against the Atlanta Falcons.

The Raiders’ offense is ideally vertical in nature. They want to use a high-volume running game to set up deep shots to their speedy receivers. With Moore and Heyward-Bey back, Oakland has the firepower to make good on the plan.

Now, they just need Palmer to execute.

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36 Responses to “Carson Palmer struggling on the deep ball”
  1. ososrule says: Oct 13, 2012 12:20 PM

    When hasn’t he struggled? It’s really a shame because he was the talk of the town when he joined the NFL? Plagued with injuries and now he’s an average QB at best!

  2. dealer009 says: Oct 13, 2012 12:26 PM

    I think losing WR Jacoby Ford for the year as the slot receiver hurts the vertical passing game a lot too.

  3. yssupasigninnamnotyep says: Oct 13, 2012 12:28 PM

    Ok, which is it? You say he’s 1-of-14 on throws of 20+ yards and the next sentence you say he’s failed to connect on all of them.

    Not that it matters, those numbers suck. Just wondering what kind of reporting this is…

  4. blue18hutthutt says: Oct 13, 2012 12:32 PM

    This is more a product of his receivers than Palmer’s ability to throw the deep ball – anyone who’s actually watched him plays knows he has a cannon for an arm and has one of the best deep balls in the league

    His decision making on the other hand …that’s an entirely different story, not to mention he has a bit of a riverboat gambler in him and tries too much to fit balls into dangerous places, trusting in that arm strength too much

    In his defense, he has practically had zero receiving talent around him (his main receiver in Week 1 was a street FA they had just signed the previous week) this season, injured or otherwise, and McFadden is a poor fit for the zone-blocking scheme they’ve installed and not getting much help there either

  5. sirsupersouthern says: Oct 13, 2012 12:38 PM

    Palmer’s arm is shot, the proof is in the pudding…

  6. heathater4lifeson says: Oct 13, 2012 12:38 PM

    They should just bench him and let the back up play… Oh wait, that’s another Overhyped USC quarterback.

  7. 2difshoe says: Oct 13, 2012 12:42 PM

    Unlike Drew Brees, Carson Palmer plays the game hard, makes no excuses and keeps his mouth shut.

  8. oaktown49er says: Oct 13, 2012 12:43 PM

    Greg Knapp’s offense is set up for the short pass. I would love to see an offense that fits the Raider’s skills.

  9. humb0lt says: Oct 13, 2012 12:45 PM

    Maybe it’s time for the Raiders to return to the Bed & Breakfast offense.

  10. whodeytn says: Oct 13, 2012 12:48 PM

    Washed up.

  11. dontrunfromme says: Oct 13, 2012 12:54 PM

    Wrong wrong wrong. Palmer is not struggling. Greg knapp has neutered the offense. It’s greg knapp he’s responsible for the offensive woes. I’m so tired of this crap

  12. raiderapologist says: Oct 13, 2012 12:59 PM

    sirsupersouthern says: Oct 13, 2012 12:38 PM

    Palmer’s arm is shot, the proof is in the pudding…
    ———–
    Someone says that every time the subject of Palmer comes up. Apparently it’s always someone that doesn’t see him throw. You can argue his accuracy, decision-making, and all that, but his arm isn’t dead.

  13. justwinbaby29 says: Oct 13, 2012 1:03 PM

    While Palmer hasn’t been great he hasn’t hurt the Raiders either. The offensive line needs to block better and the ZBS needs to be tweaked to get McFadden going.

    The Raiders have many problems but Carson Palmer is way down on the list.

    I still believe in this team there are 12 games to go and after Atlanta many winnable ones!

  14. boltfansmith says: Oct 13, 2012 1:09 PM

    His arms not dead. It’s his QB skills. Raiders are horrible with or without him.

  15. spellingcops says: Oct 13, 2012 1:09 PM

    Unlike Drew Brees, Carson Palmer plays the game hard, makes no excuses and keeps his mouth shut.
    ————-
    That, and Drew Brees wins. A lot. What an idiotic comment.

  16. hoodheisman says: Oct 13, 2012 1:10 PM

    So should we just assume that the system installed by a rookie GM, rookie coach, and retread position coach masquerading around as an OC has nothing to do with the disaster that the Raiders have put together this season.

    Is it Darren McFadden’s fault that he went from one of the most explosive RBs in football to a second tier guy averaging 1.3 inches per carry?

    Is it the OLine’s fault that they went from dominating opposing defensive lines at the point of attack to now being blown up, unable to open holes because they are a step slow?

    And it’s now the QBs fault that the vertical passing game has been replaced by an offense centered around check downs and minimizing mistakes?

    Here’s a thought…. Maybe if you get a savvy, experienced GM that is capable of hiring an NFL caliber head coach…. and maybe if that NFL caliber head coach has the ability to find NFL caliber coordinators that are willing to work under him…. then maybe you can put together a system that can take a team that was 1 game away from a division title to the next level…..

    When you hire a GM with no prior experience… and your GM with no prior experience hires a Head Coach with no prior experience…. and your Head Coach with no prior experience can’t find a single damn coordinator to work under him…. then your patchwork coaching staff puts together a system that is as misplaced as the owner of a bed and breakfast joint suddenly becoming an NFL owner…..

    You get the 2012 Oakland Raiders.

    Yup…. Carson Palmer just needs to execute better…. That’s the answer.

  17. humb0lt says: Oct 13, 2012 1:16 PM

    Carson Palmer has had a QB rating of under 87 for six consecutive seasons. He’s topped 90 just twice in his career: 2005 & 2006.

  18. coltzfan166 says: Oct 13, 2012 1:28 PM

    Wouldn’t that be funny if they replaced him and Matt (Leinart) with another USC QB?

    With that said, I always thought Carson Palmer was overrated.

  19. bengalskuta82 says: Oct 13, 2012 1:33 PM

    Palmer can make deep throws like any other QBs but can’t make those completions on a consistent basis. He use to before; we all know that. I still think its that elbow injury he got in 2008. He decided not to have surgery instead he elected to just rest it the whole season and let it heal on its own..I think thats was a mistake. I bet his elbow is giving him different feels on the ball and its just not working well for him

  20. hendeeze says: Oct 13, 2012 1:36 PM

    Niners QB + WR have more rushing yards then the Raiders do as a team. Congrats on ripping your fans off calling yourselves a professional football team.

  21. beeronthefridge says: Oct 13, 2012 1:40 PM

    The first sign of a declining quarterback is his loss of accuracy on the deep ball.

  22. steviekthr3e says: Oct 13, 2012 1:44 PM

    Everyone read Hoodheisman’s comment. The state of the Raiders couldn’t be articulated any better.

  23. broncosnative says: Oct 13, 2012 2:03 PM

    Hah, its funny how you raiders fans talk trash a bout Peyton Manning being washed up, can’t connect on the deep ball and that the broncos wasted money on him. When it comes to palmer, all of you have excuses why he’s struggling from having no WRs, play calling and other crap. Just face the facts, the raiders lost more trading for a washed up QB than the broncos spent on the future 2012 MVP.

  24. ninerswilldominatelikebefore says: Oct 13, 2012 2:07 PM

    heard the eagles have a promising backup..raiders will probably trade the 13′ draft class for him! BOOM

  25. sbdt says: Oct 13, 2012 2:13 PM

    Wait, did someone compare Palmer to Brees?

    And “he keeps his mouth shut and plays hard?”

    Isn’t this the same dude who refused to ever take the field for Cincinnati again? So which was that, keeping his mouth shut – or playing hard?

    What’s wrong with you?

  26. robertw2010 says: Oct 13, 2012 2:41 PM

    Palmer was shot the day Kimo crushed his knee…..fans in Cincinnati knew it to be true as they watched season after season of unfufilled potential and terrible production. The only season we did decent after 05 was 2009 when we won the division behind the running game and the defense and a weak schedule. Watching Palmer for several years, he is a TERRIBLE leader…the Palmer pouty face and has the worst body language in the League after he screws up. You never see him trying to get guys fired up or getting on WR’s that ran the wrong route….

    Thank you Oakland for taking him off our hands…good riddance.

  27. freshchorizo says: Oct 13, 2012 2:46 PM

    His offensive line isn’t doing him any favors. He doesn’t have enough time for the long pass play to develop which is why he dumps it off to the RB and TE so often.

  28. socalraider909 says: Oct 13, 2012 4:20 PM

    I’m getting tired of reading about this Palmer’s arm is fine he’s the best Qb we’ve had in a while the main problem is Knapp and he’s terrible play calling when Knapp starts calling better plays and Palmer still sucks ill be one of the first to say bench him

  29. mangoldbond says: Oct 13, 2012 4:27 PM

    blue18hutthutt says:
    Oct 13, 2012 12:32 PM

    “…tries too much to fit balls into dangerous places”

    ___________________________________

    sounds like my friday night

  30. Keyser Söze says: Oct 13, 2012 5:17 PM

    hoodheisman says:Oct 13, 2012 1:10 PM

    So should we just assume that the system installed by a rookie GM, rookie coach, and retread position coach masquerading around as an OC has nothing to do with the disaster that the Raiders have put together this season.

    Is it Darren McFadden’s fault that he went from one of the most explosive RBs in football to a second tier guy averaging 1.3 inches per carry?

    Is it the OLine’s fault that they went from dominating opposing defensive lines at the point of attack to now being blown up, unable to open holes because they are a step slow?

    And it’s now the QBs fault that the vertical passing game has been replaced by an offense centered around check downs and minimizing mistakes?

    Here’s a thought…. Maybe if you get a savvy, experienced GM that is capable of hiring an NFL caliber head coach…. and maybe if that NFL caliber head coach has the ability to find NFL caliber coordinators that are willing to work under him…. then maybe you can put together a system that can take a team that was 1 game away from a division title to the next level…..

    When you hire a GM with no prior experience… and your GM with no prior experience hires a Head Coach with no prior experience…. and your Head Coach with no prior experience can’t find a single damn coordinator to work under him…. then your patchwork coaching staff puts together a system that is as misplaced as the owner of a bed and breakfast joint suddenly becoming an NFL owner…..

    You get the 2012 Oakland Raiders.

    Yup…. Carson Palmer just needs to execute better…. That’s the answer.
    ————————————————————

    Great post….But you forgot to mention the rookie GM’s lack of draft picks, zero room in the cap for capable free agents, and out of whack contracts to players that can’t live up to.

  31. stanggtman says: Oct 13, 2012 5:39 PM

    To the one guy that asked which is it, 1-14 20 yards or more or failing all of the throws. The writer said that Palmer failed to connect on the FIRST DOZEN of them, then he has connected 1/2 since. Go back to the English class.

    Not that it matters, Palmer sucks and WHO DEY!!!!

  32. invaiduh says: Oct 13, 2012 5:54 PM

    hoodheisman….
    Sums it up perfectly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    wish I could give it 1000 thumbs up.
    That’s wtf happened to our season & team this year!

  33. Mr. Wright 212 says: Oct 13, 2012 6:01 PM

    Guys with noodle arms tend to struggle throwing the deep ball…

  34. mullman76 says: Oct 13, 2012 6:01 PM

    Gotta give McKenzie some time to work his plan. We, as RAIDER fans, need to remember one very important point:
    For the first time 50+ years, the RAIDERS do not belong to Al Davis. It is an entirely new era, the only thing that remains are the storied tradition, the 3 SB victories and the Silver and Black.

    It will take some time to adjust to the “new” RAIDERS- 2012 is a test run. It sucks, but it is what it is. Reggie came to right the ship, give him a chance.

    Also-Polian, Wolf and even Al were, at some point in their great careers, “first time GMs”- gotta start somewhere.

  35. huskylawyer says: Oct 13, 2012 6:08 PM

    The Raiders were actually better with Jason Campbell behind center, so that shows you how good Palmer is.

  36. t8ertot says: Oct 13, 2012 11:01 PM

    And water is wet

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