Comments on: Kevin Greene: NFL can’t control accidents

By: axespray

axespray — Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:16:03 +0000

illadelphiasphinest says:
Oct 13, 2012 12:02 PM
“A member of the packers is upset with officiating?”
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Sam Shields and Nick Perry would have every right to be upset…

WRs keep shoving Shields, refs throw a flag for “defensive PI” …

Nick Perry gets a sack, flexes his muscles – penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct…
Gets another “CLEAN” sack – penalty for “Roughing the Passer.”

By: djcoreylee

djcoreylee — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:58:41 +0000

Time for flag football ladies!

By: csilojohnson

csilojohnson — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:40:01 +0000

I’ve been saying this from the jump. It has nothing to do with player safety, all about PR. Goodell will keep fining players to pay for this frivolous lawsuit players have brought. Bottom line is passing sells……in the short term. The problem is you take all the competitive nature out of the game. Which will drive serious fans away. The integrity of the game is lost piece by piece the more the rules favor one side of the ball. This league had quickly become a joke and it makes me sad. Now if only I had some hockey to watch instead!!!!

By: Pacific NW Mark

Pacific NW Mark — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:24:56 +0000

I just wish the application of these rules was a little less random.

Perry’s hit on Luck seemed both more intentional and to catch more of the helmet than Golden Tate’s block on Sean Lee several weeks back, and Tate’s fine was $21,000 – $5,000 more.

I guess a linebacker running free down the field is more defenseless than a quarterback in the pocket?

By: dylanssongwriter

dylanssongwriter — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:51:58 +0000

beedubyatoo says: Oct 13, 2012 10:05 AM

Attention: dylanssongwriter

You guide dog and white cane are ready for pickup.
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your reading glasses are ready for you because evidently you don’t know the rules.

By: dylanssongwriter

dylanssongwriter — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 17:50:27 +0000

jefe17 says: Oct 13, 2012 10:04 AM

dylanssongwriter,

Your point would be valid if the point of a sack was just to take down the player behind the line of scrimmage.

But it isn’t. You try to jar the ball loose. You’d much rather have a turnover than just a sack. They are game changers. Who cares if he used his helmet. He kept it below the shoulders and square in the chest. How’s that illegal? I thought at full speed it was an illegal hit. Which the flag was ok then. But when they slowed it down it looked clean and legal.

The fine was confusing. The NFL is just throwin out fines left and right. Just didnt think this one was warranted.

It’s true. Defensive players can’t hit guys hard, but they can get chop blocked to end their seasons and sometime careers. Seems very fair.
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all he had to do was put his head a little to the side. not that difficult considering he was untouched. adapt of get left behind. he led with his helmet…not that difficult to understand.

By: markbul

markbul — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:59:00 +0000

I’ve been driving for 40 years, and I’ve never caused an accident. And I don’t drive at 15 mph. I just don’t do stupid things. I pay attention, and follow the rules of the road. And that includes when I’m constantly driving over the posted speed limit, just like everyone else. Rugby players don’t smash each other’s heads when they tackle – don’t tell me it’s impossible to avoid for football players.

By: wiley16350

wiley16350 — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:49:20 +0000

I meant aggresiveness of CB’s in the above post.

By: leafeaterx

leafeaterx — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:25:40 +0000

I agree with K. Greene on some of the hits that he’s describing. I get that the game is too fast to process intent by the refs 100% of the time, but with fines the league has the time, money, and manpower to decide fines based on intent.

They should give the players tax write offs if their fines are going to charity as donations instead of the league getting them. Basically, the league is a middle-man that gets the whole benefit, odd in normal business, not in a totalitarian regime though… Lol

By: skinsfaninnebraska

skinsfaninnebraska — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:09:47 +0000

One of the biggest problems in the whole helmet-to-helmet mess is this: a tackler comes in waist-high to make a legal hit, but the ball carrier ducks his head at the last second, so now you have helmet contact. It’s a sequence that is as old as football but suddenly nowadays it draws a flag and a fine. That’s just plain wrong!

(I know that wasnt the case on this hit to Luck’s chin. Just a general observation on how messed up the rules have become.)

By: illadelphiasphinest

illadelphiasphinest — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 16:02:25 +0000

A member of the packers is upset with officiating?….. No…. That cant be true. They are all so good and professional up there in cheese land. Lol. Shut up already packers!!! Your team is hands down the biggest group of cry babies in the entire league!! Assume responibility, shut up, n play the game!!

By: sultan420

sultan420 — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:51:55 +0000

The evidence is the avg scoring per season has gone up. How about four 5000 yard passers?? Duh

By: wiley16350

wiley16350 — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:34:27 +0000

These rules have nothing to do with protecting players and EVERYTHING to do with benefiting the offense and creating higher scoring games.

Goodell’s going for the NBA model. And he’s destroying the integrity of the game.
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What’s your evidence for that? Because the evidence is that these rules and enforcements came after the concussion lawsuits and not after Goodell became the commissioner. Therefore the most logical conclusion is that the NFL implemented these efforts to avoid future lawsuits and maybe help them in the current lawsuit.
I agree that some of these fines and penalties seem to go to far but the blame doesn’t go onto Goodell. The blame should go onto the concussion lawsuit and the 1,000′s of former players that are suing the league. Many of whom are just out for money and taking advantage of a few players that actually had severe problems resulting from concussions or being forced to play with concussions.

By: truefootballinsight

truefootballinsight — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:31:42 +0000

Once we start seeing UVA type games in the NFL, I’m going to quit, a lead means nothing if you can just send 5 receivers on go routes and score in 8 seconds. High scoring games are fun if they are being done against a good defense, and that means a good pass rush. Stop weighing down these guys with fines and suspensions because it’s just part of the game. Anyone who has played on the Dline will know that this kind of stuff happens from pop Warner to the pros. Pretty soon the nfl will eliminate tackles and start playing flag football. After that become “dangerous” when some players break their wrists from pulling flags, they just play 7-on-7 football.

Fun stuff.

The thing is tho, the NfL doesn’t care what we think. As long as they have the rating and the people watching they will do whatever they want as they stuff their pockets. The only way to stop the fines is to make it a public forum and let the nfl know that we will not watch the nfl until they stop changing the game so much. And then stop watching the nfl, which will never happen. Sure, protect the players, but keep the game the same.

But like I said no one is going to stop watching the game. So roll nfl, roll.

R.I.P. the nfl we knew and fell in love with

By: thehatefulnerd

thehatefulnerd — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 15:09:14 +0000

These rules have nothing to do with protecting players and EVERYTHING to do with benefiting the offense and creating higher scoring games.

Goodell’s going for the NBA model. And he’s destroying the integrity of the game.

By: mistakeonthelake

mistakeonthelake — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:48:47 +0000

As I understand it, the fines go to charity not the league. Thus, there is no financial incentive to fine the players. I agree that the fines are getting out of hand and the players union has failed the players in this regard, but the league is not doing this to profit.

By: brashranter

brashranter — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:32:46 +0000

The guy is spot on. Even though this interpretation will ultimately boil down to subjectivity I think most any astute observer can ascertain whether the play was an accident or intentional. Will they always get it right? No, but this to me reeks of the NFL making a cash grab and extorting the players at ever turn. It’s always about the money, and the NFL has proven that the bottom line is the the bottom line with them. Always.

By: phillyphannn83

phillyphannn83 — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:32:01 +0000

The owners should ante up for some of the bogus fines. Legitimate ones n way, but these bogus ones absolutely.

By: cidman2001

cidman2001 — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:18:12 +0000

I’ve thought the same thing for quite some time. Hits like the one Perry made should draw a flag, but not a fine. 99% of the time you can tell by watching the replay whether the player was being aggressive or the helmet to helmet was incidental. 15 yards is a good strong warning to a player that they need to be more careful. A $15,000 fine for an accidental hit makes you want to not tackle and inhibits the game.

By: santolonius

santolonius — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:09:02 +0000

if the defensive player was the only one moving and the offensive player was frozen in time and space… then and only then could refs and the league make these blanket assessments about the defender’s helmet. but it’s not like that. over and over when i see the slow-mo on tv, the offensive player’s last second micro-movements are what turned the defensive player’s helmet into a battering ram. but here comes the flag and the fine anyway.

By: beedubyatoo

beedubyatoo — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:05:29 +0000

Attention: dylanssongwriter

You guide dog and white cane are ready for pickup.

By: jefe17

jefe17 — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:04:58 +0000

dylanssongwriter,

Your point would be valid if the point of a sack was just to take down the player behind the line of scrimmage.

The fine was confusing. The NFL is just throwin out fines left and right. Just didnt think this one was warranted.

It’s true. Defensive players can’t hit guys hard, but they can get chop blocked to end their seasons and sometime careers. Seems very fair.

By: mistakeonthelake

mistakeonthelake — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:59:31 +0000

To continue with the car accident analogy, if you get into a car accident, by accident (hence the word accident) and it is your fault you get a ticket, which is a fine, even if it was, as mentioned, an accident. It is called ‘failure to maintain control.’ I don’t agree with these new rules, but they are the rules. Just because you think the speed limit is too low, doesn’t mean you can speed.

By: emoney826

emoney826 — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:58:00 +0000

The league is becoming a joke. Just puts flags on their belts and make it flag football. Perry clearly didn’t intentionally hit Luck with his helmet. This type of hit occured all of the time before Goodell took over and was never an issue. It just looked violent because he really got him good. I miss hits like that. What’s he suppose to do? Come free unblocked and when he’s three feet away from Luck, stop, and walk at him and drag him down.

I’m all for player safety but hits like this is what makes the NFL so great.

By: dylanssongwriter

dylanssongwriter — Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:37:36 +0000

meh, perry wasn’t even touched on his to sacking luck….fact is he didn’t need to lead with his helmet nor did he need to come close to his head. yes, sometimes it’s hard to avoid, but that hit wasn’t one of them.