Comments on: Jim Schwartz thinks a lost challenge helped the Lions http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/ ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.com Mon, 20 May 2013 17:06:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: justumuch http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2063090 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:01:01 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2063090 Philly should get the blame not a phantom missed call. They were up the whole second half and up by 10 with 3:30 left! Then they got the ball first in OT! How many chances do they need to win the game!?!

]]> By: thestrategyexpert http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2062401 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:08:25 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2062401 Umm he could have used a regular timeout for a basketball timeout without it affecting his challenge bank.

]]> By: richdaddy2377 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2062339 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:53:33 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2062339 scutzi128 says:
Oct 15, 2012 9:20 AM
Actually a terrible offensive pass interference call helped the Lions. The refs blew another game.

Actually even though they did blow that call the Eagles had plenty of chances to win, so no the refs did not blow this game for the eagles. scutzii28 you sound like a Yankee fan, sour milk. Detroit is playing the smallest violins in the world for all Philly and Yankee fans and Laughing at you all the while.

]]> By: granadafan http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2062338 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:53:30 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2062338 The NFL Competition Committee needs to review sneaky “Challenges” like in this situation. Kudos to Schwartz for playing within the rules if not in the spirit of the rules though. The NFL should make it a rule that if a challenge is called, then the players have to stay on the field with no coaches. They can get water, but no coaching.

]]> By: jimmylions http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2062232 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:15:57 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2062232 I’m gonna go out on a limb and say the people blaming the refs for the Eagles loss aren’t actually Philly fans, they’re just guys who love any excuse to hate on the Lions and Jim Schwartz.

Also, the refs weren’t the ones who gave up back-to-back sacks on Michael Vick at the end of the game … that was the Eagles o-line who suddenly decided to stop playing. That’s the kind of heartbreak Lions fans know all too well.

And yup – I’m in agreement with the rest of the commenters that this isn’t the first time a coach threw a red flag to give his team a breather. For the people saying, “Why not just call a time out?”, I suggest paying attention to how long it takes for the refs to go under the hood and make a call. Sometimes that process takes forever.

]]> By: rmc1995 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2062221 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:11:58 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2062221 Calling a timeout in that situation is showing your team and the opposing team you may be panicked, confused, or desperate. Using a challenge allows the defense to regroup without tipping off you are having problems that need to be addressed with a timeout. Rather, it’s “Hey, while we are waiting for this challenge let’s think about the situation we are in.”

Or he could have had a tomato flop with an “injury.”

Psychological warfare at its best.

]]> By: jimw81 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2062163 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:53:46 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2062163 Lions won the game on Ndamukong Suh tip ball on a third down that led to Burleson TD on following possession.

]]> By: drpompanoduke http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2062134 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:42:12 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2062134 Eagles cry just like their QB ……last place Vick wanted to be yesterday was at a football game.

]]> By: lionsdraftguy http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2062074 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:23:56 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2062074 Quit crying eagles fans.

]]> By: sdroar http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2062020 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:06:16 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2062020 C’mon guys. The challenge lacked merit. He’s not contending otherwise. He’s just saying there was an unexpected silver lining to the dark cloud.

The offensive interference call was BAD.

]]> By: lushy21 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061945 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:42:36 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061945 This Lion’s team looked like the one from last year, Tonz of penalties, average DB play, good pressure from the D line, stagnant offense for three quarters and lights out in the 4th for a WIN!

Not pretty but I will take it

]]> By: dadawg77 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061938 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:40:26 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061938 With the new rules on every scoring and turnover being reviewed, challenges are less precious then last year. Thus if a big call is close and the d needs a rest to prevent a game ending score, might as well use the challenge as if you lose you just get a longer timeout. So its big win vs small win scenario there. Then again I’m not sure that what he was thinking but he just was trying to retroactively justify it.

]]> By: wingz101 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061875 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:21:02 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061875 Seriously can anyone not cut this guy a break? Instead of a 30 second time out, he got a nearly 4 minute “time out” – his challenge was like calling a time out but it was LONGER.

For the slow witted out there, longer means more rest for the defense!

The Lions won which is what counts, but Raiola and Backus were awful once again. Everyone on the o-line got at least 1 penalty. Raiola even got a completely amateurish motion call when he tried to draw the Eagles off side. Backus once again committed rookie like infractions when ever the Lions got going. How Rieff and Fox cannot get in there is a real mystery. They must really be bad.

Lastly, I am not sure how anyone can say anything about PI’s that saved the Lions. The Eagles got away with at least three blatant holds in coverage and Jackson took a swing at DeAndre Levy and connected – fully replayed on Camera by the Fox crew – with an official looking right at him and then just telling the Lions LB to back away. No call. Somehow though they saw some Eagle guy (Cox) punching people at the bottom of a pile of guys during a scrum …. right.

]]> By: dougy1970 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061848 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:07:57 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061848 I think every coach should make a pact to give Schwartz the Harbaugh-handshake agreement until Schwartz stops his undignfied, spastic, taunting, post-game fist pumping as he runs out to midfield after a (increasingly rare) LieDowns victory.

]]> By: easyeddie http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061843 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:04:59 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061843 Hilarious stuff from the Lions haters!
Here’s my favorite: “Actually a terrible offensive pass interference call helped the Lions. The refs blew another game.”
The Lions pummeled the dog killer all day long.

]]> By: dannythebisforbeast http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061834 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:02:24 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061834 throwing a flag is a timeout except add the time it takes to review the play. so you get a little additional time. Don’t think he intended it that way. And it didnt help all that much considering a phantom interference was the difference maker.

Celeks arms not extended equal no push off. NFL and pass interference is ridiculous. Any incomplete pass is immediately followed by a receivers arm goin up begging for a flag and half the time they get it. I know that play was OPI but flag football sucks

]]> By: scutzi128 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061830 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 15:00:09 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061830 “Oh right, like the same push off that got called on calvin in the end zone? It was called on both sides so stop crying.”

Obviously you don’t understand the rule because Calvin Johnson extended his arms Brent Celek did not.

]]> By: hfntsh http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061788 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:45:04 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061788 If he needed time for his defense to regroup, what about, you know, taking a time-out?

]]> By: bischof21 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061781 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:42:12 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061781 Those who blindly blame coaches have never coached or played a sport. People always blame coaches first. Hey maybe sometime try actually looking at the people who are actually on the field and in the game. You can tell players how to prepare and what to do. Doesn’t mean they will listen.

]]> By: conormacleod http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061764 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:31:43 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061764 That’s just stupid. If he really wanted to slow down their offense then just call a timeout and regroup. Losing a challenge and a timeout is just moronic. Or, he could just tell the truth. He didn’t have enough time to see a replay so he just chucked the red flag and hoped for the best. This time it didn’t hurt them.

]]> By: ernie ernie http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061756 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:29:24 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061756 We weren’t allowed to watch the end of the game in Minnesota because they had to cut away for five mintutes of commercials and then the pre-hype for the Vikings game. Total BS.

I actually had that thought, Swartz was using the red flag as a guise to give his defense a breather, one that would take longer than a traditional time out.
Yes you lose a challenge but you gain a time out plus you get your team settled down a little by screwing up the momemtum of the other team.

The solution for the NFL to stop this from happening and having the fans screwed by this stoppage, give the team one red flag per game.

Right now the teams can throw it four times plus the time outs. Obviously the additional flag was determined by the sponsors as another way to break for those commercials.

I swear I missed two kickoffs yesterday as the commercials were running then all of a sudden the other team is moving the ball downfield. That BS has to stop.

]]> By: noturavragepunk http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061725 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:17:23 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061725 Wouldn’t a timeout do the same thing.

I guess when it works out in your favor like that(making the stop at the goal line) you have to rationalize you stupid decisions.

]]> By: ocdn http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061713 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:12:37 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061713 Instead of throwing a challenge flag to reset the defense, how about challenging the team to playing more disciplined. 16 penalties? Really? This is about coaching and having control of this talented team. And yes, I’m a Lions fan since ’66.

]]> By: lombarditrophies http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061695 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:08:34 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061695 That reminds me of the scene where Pee Wee Herman wipes out on his bike but pops up and says “I meant to do that.”

]]> By: polegojim http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061687 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:04:53 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061687 PS – Lions running game looking MUCH better though. That is supposed to HELP Stafford.

]]> By: FinFan68 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061668 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:55:13 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061668 He lucked into a possible benefit for a dumb move. I don’t believe for a second that he did that as a strategy move.

]]> By: purpleguy http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061656 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:49:11 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061656 Great day for MI fans with Tigers and Lions wins — congrats.

]]> By: sgtdiver http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061649 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:46:00 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061649 “Actually a terrible offensive pass interference call helped the Lions. The refs blew another game”

Oh right, like the same push off that got called on calvin in the end zone? It was called on both sides so stop crying.

]]> By: hisgirlgotburrelled http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061641 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:43:15 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061641 The Eagles scored on the very next play, overturned by a very questionable offensive pass interference.

]]> By: sourdoughsam http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/15/jim-schwartz-thinks-a-lost-challenge-helped-the-lions/#comment-2061631 Mon, 15 Oct 2012 13:38:28 +0000 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1413534#comment-2061631 Smart. Although, I wonder how often NFL coaches actually use these challenges as extended time-outs. I have a hard time believing that this is the first time it’s been done.

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